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September 04, 2023, 06:36:19 AM
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I am not a Muslim myself, but to the best of my knowledge, based on their Qur'an, gambling is considered a sin. Consequently, it is generally expected that Muslims should refrain from engaging in it. Muslims are renowned for their strong religious beliefs and typically follow the teachings of the Qur'an closely. Given this, I believe that the concept of a 'Halal casino' would likely encounter significant opposition from the Muslim community.
and that is why i really respect their Qur'an because of their true value in terms of gambling
and also this will save Muslim's around the world from addiction and losses.
while other religion is suffering from addicted gambling members and theirs are safer.

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September 04, 2023, 10:07:20 AM
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How do you know that those who follow Islam do not commit haram. I know a few friends who follow Islam do gamble and occasionally consume alcohol. Not everyone in Islam follows it truly. They do it in hiding and they don't regret their doing. That is one such reality which many Muslim might ignore here. The word casino itself is haram, if someone wants to disguise it as halal then it is the choice of those following the religion to either allow it or ignore it. In general such stupidity cannot be ignored and those preaching it cannot justify the reality. 
They should not do anything haram. But they are humans and no human is perfect. That makes many of them still do haram things. But I think all adherents of Islam know what is halal and what is haram, although some of them still do things that are haram. It's the same with other religious people. They know that alcohol and other things are haram or shouldn't be consumed or done, but why do they still do it? All religions teach good and bad, but humans abuse it, giving us problems. So the concept of halal and haram here is clear but we determine it.

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September 04, 2023, 01:52:31 PM
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I am not a Muslim myself, but to the best of my knowledge, based on their Qur'an, gambling is considered a sin. Consequently, it is generally expected that Muslims should refrain from engaging in it. Muslims are renowned for their strong religious beliefs and typically follow the teachings of the Qur'an closely. Given this, I believe that the concept of a 'Halal casino' would likely encounter significant opposition from the Muslim community.
Gambling is not halal in islam all forms of gambling are illegal in Islam everything derived from gambling is haram. Therefore, as a Muslim it is necessary to stay away from all forms of gambling. Gambling is described in the Qur'an as an abomination and the work of satan. It has been ordered to stay away from them. Enmity and hatred are created through gambling. In addition through these satan diverts people from prayer and remembrance of Allah.

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September 04, 2023, 02:45:15 PM
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The message of the video is simple: just because you are involved with one sin, by the rules of their religion, it doesn't mean you should forget about everything and surrender yourself to another sins. Walk one step at a time. If you aren't able to get rid of a sin right now, just be careful to not add more sins to your daily life. If you are able to maintain just one it's progress already, although it can still get better, until you completely eliminate all of them.

That is what the preacher meant. You may be a gambler and even though it's against your religion, it doesn't mean you should stop praying and praising God. God knows our failures and imperfections, but He still love us and believe in our potential of becoming better human beings.

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September 04, 2023, 02:54:37 PM
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The message of the video is simple: just because you are involved with one sin, by the rules of their religion, it doesn't mean you should forget about everything and surrender yourself to another sins. Walk one step at a time. If you aren't able to get rid of a sin right now, just be careful to not add more sins to your daily life. If you are able to maintain just one it's progress already, although it can still get better, until you completely eliminate all of them.

That is what the preacher meant. You may be a gambler and even though it's against your religion, it doesn't mean you should stop praying and praising God. God knows our failures and imperfections, but He still love us and believe in our potential of becoming better human beings.

But that also does not mean that you start believing that this one sin (in this case gambling) is right to do and you find yourself in such a situation where your heart and mind feel satisfied that since you are doing many other good deeds, this one sin can be done and there will be no questioning about it.

This message can taken in both directions if you do one sin, then it should not stop you from doing other good things but at the same time if you are doing many good things. you should not use it as an excuse to commit a few sins, knowing that these are not allowed in your religion.

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September 04, 2023, 02:57:11 PM
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How do you know that those who follow Islam do not commit haram? I know a few friends who follow Islam do gamble and occasionally consume alcohol. Not everyone in Islam follows it truly. They do it in hiding and they don't regret their doing. That is one such reality which many Muslims might ignore here. The word casino itself is haram, if someone wants to disguise it as halal then it is the choice of those following the religion to either allow it or ignore it. In general such stupidity cannot be ignored and those preaching it cannot justify the reality. 
They should not do anything haram. But they are humans and no human is perfect. That makes many of them still do haram things. But I think all adherents of Islam know what is halal and what is haram, although some of them still do things that are haram. It's the same with other religious people. They know that alcohol and other things are haram or shouldn't be consumed or done, but why do they still do it? All religions teach good and bad, but humans abuse it, giving us problems. So the concept of halal and haram here is clear but we determine it.
The best way to have the right idea to respond to this question is by first of all watching the video to see what the video is all about and, Islamic scholars i beginning to dive into a different new level of teaching which is going to be very interesting, since some of them are already questioning to old status quo, and if you must know why some religion followers default in they practice some time is because of how malicious those rules are and how they religion interpret it, but more also what have influenced alot of things also is the changing in societal perspectives.

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September 04, 2023, 04:02:03 PM
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The message of the video is simple: just because you are involved with one sin, by the rules of their religion, it doesn't mean you should forget about everything and surrender yourself to another sins. Walk one step at a time. If you aren't able to get rid of a sin right now, just be careful to not add more sins to your daily life. If you are able to maintain just one it's progress already, although it can still get better, until you completely eliminate all of them.

That is what the preacher meant. You may be a gambler and even though it's against your religion, it doesn't mean you should stop praying and praising God. God knows our failures and imperfections, but He still love us and believe in our potential of becoming better human beings.

But that also does not mean that you start believing that this one sin (in this case gambling) is right to do and you find yourself in such a situation where your heart and mind feel satisfied that since you are doing many other good deeds, this one sin can be done and there will be no questioning about it.

This message can taken in both directions if you do one sin, then it should not stop you from doing other good things but at the same time if you are doing many good things. you should not use it as an excuse to commit a few sins, knowing that these are not allowed in your religion.

well, how you will live your life depends on what you truly believe in life. you may have your religion as your guide and assist what would you classify as a sin or not, but it is still up to you how you will apply it in your everyday life.
so committing one sin doesn't mean you are not a follower of your religion. as a human, you are prone to committing mistakes. and you can make amends with such mistakes or sin as you called it, by following some rituals that you think can salvage you depending on your beliefs. just accept the fact that no human is perfect to live on this planet. and it is up to you how you interpret things and live a meaningful life.

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September 04, 2023, 04:10:59 PM
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The concept is explained as "in a casino, a gambler can still pray, they provide a place of worship for Muslims who gamble. That is, this concept is not the concept of a halal casino. But, it only provides prayer facilities for a Muslim. Well, if that's just a concept in the building , it's fine, as advertising, but it might hurt Muslim people who don't like gambling.

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September 04, 2023, 04:24:43 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, isn't gambling itself considered haram in Islam? So how are they going to present a halal casino when the very concept of a casino is to offer gambling services? I couldn't wrap my head around the concept. If they are just offering a prayer place inside the casino premises, isn't that spitting at the face of this holy religion that people all over the world are following? It's an equivalent of blasphemy in christianity if you'll ask me since it's defiling the very symbol/concept of your religion. Plus there's no way this isn't already getting enough flak from the devout Muslim community considering how dedicated they are at following their teachings, to introduce something so radical and nonsensical even is a little over to them if I'm going to be honest.

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September 04, 2023, 04:31:11 PM
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This all seems very strange. I have seen so-called muslims attempting to justify haram actions, like drinking alcohol, through loopholes and with poetic wording. And it is obvious that they are not really holding themselves to their religion but are making excuses. But those kinds of "muslims" are rather rare. The promotion of a Halal Casino seems like a next step to that. Why anyone would waste time trying to market something to a specific audience which, in the majority, is not interested in that thing in the first place? Not only a counter productive failed marketing attempt but also an obvious attempt of trying to justify something that they should not be doing.

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September 04, 2023, 04:55:42 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, isn't gambling itself considered haram in Islam? So how are they going to present a halal casino when the very concept of a casino is to offer gambling services? I couldn't wrap my head around the concept. If they are just offering a prayer place inside the casino premises, isn't that spitting at the face of this holy religion that people all over the world are following? It's an equivalent of blasphemy in christianity if you'll ask me since it's defiling the very symbol/concept of your religion. Plus there's no way this isn't already getting enough flak from the devout Muslim community considering how dedicated they are at following their teachings, to introduce something so radical and nonsensical even is a little over to them if I'm going to be honest.

It is marketing after all. So everything is possible for the sake of getting people into the World of Gambling and Sportbetting.

Just think about it, Islam is one of the biggest religions on the planet, which would mean an important percentage of potential clients and gamblers are kept outside casino by their personal belief, if someone managed to reform the teachings of their religion somehow so allow people to wager money,.it would translate into billions of dollars in revenue from Muslim people alone, I am not saying it is a good or bad thing, by the way, just stating  what probable some casino owners in Asia and the middle East think of.

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September 04, 2023, 06:40:50 PM
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I was just browsing YouTube and found a video NEW | Halal Casino? - Mufti Menk

Is there any concept of Halal Casino  Huh
By the way Mufti Ismail ibn Musa Menk is an Islamic Scholar from Zimbabwe and also he is leading the fatwa department in that country.

Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.

Gambling is against one of the very core beliefs of Islam, so there is no way that this is going to survive for a long time. Just like trying to setup an operation in China, the government might decide to stamp this out at any point and you will lose any deposited money, so beware of putting anything into it. Not only that, but judging by how aggressive certain sections of Muslims can be, the owner is likely to be targeted for such "blasphemous" behavior in future and will also use that point to vanish with your money. A fatwa is basically a government decision in this country, but will be susceptible to cancellation. Zimbabwe is a poor and struggling country, so any opportunity they have to seize money from "non believers" will be taken.


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September 04, 2023, 08:08:18 PM
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Gambling is always haram in Islam, there's no excuse to say gambling is halal, period.
Yep, in the end, this is not a problem in religion because in Islam gambling is something that is haram and there is no argument about this.
As for those who are Muslims who still do gambling, it is not a problem in religion but indeed their foundation in religion is not very good. I don't really understand what the law is on gambling for each religion because I'm not in that field but when they say gambling is forbidden in Islam then it is true and we can't justify something that is forbidden in the first place.

 
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September 04, 2023, 08:15:51 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, isn't gambling itself considered haram in Islam? So how are they going to present a halal casino when the very concept of a casino is to offer gambling services? I couldn't wrap my head around the concept. If they are just offering a prayer place inside the casino premises, isn't that spitting at the face of this holy religion that people all over the world are following? It's an equivalent of blasphemy in christianity if you'll ask me since it's defiling the very symbol/concept of your religion. Plus there's no way this isn't already getting enough flak from the devout Muslim community considering how dedicated they are at following their teachings, to introduce something so radical and nonsensical even is a little over to them if I'm going to be honest.

It is marketing after all. So everything is possible for the sake of getting people into the World of Gambling and Sportbetting.

Just think about it, Islam is one of the biggest religions on the planet, which would mean an important percentage of potential clients and gamblers are kept outside casino by their personal belief, if someone managed to reform the teachings of their religion somehow so allow people to wager money,.it would translate into billions of dollars in revenue from Muslim people alone, I am not saying it is a good or bad thing, by the way, just stating  what probable some casino owners in Asia and the middle East think of.

I think no matter how great the marketing of a casino is, it won't affect the teaching of Islam, only a half baked believer will think that it is a good news but those who understand the teachings of Islamic Religion would never fall into that trap.

But then again, as it is business, I agree that they wanted to lure people into believing that their casino is way better than other casino since they are serving Halal food and a place for prayers.  This kind of strategy would be at least a good approach to those Muslims who are into gambling activities.
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September 04, 2023, 08:28:51 PM
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I thought gambling is forbidden according to the Quran. This situation seems to be an attempt to make an exemption. I don't know if it's approved by other Muslim leaders. When you mention gambling, it should be automatically considered forbidden.

This pertains to religion; I am not Muslim. We would like to hear from our Muslim brothers here whether they would agree to gambling at a Halal Casino.

So how about eating pork? Is there some kind of Halal Pork, or something?
Yes the Quran forbid gambling and the Holy Bible also forbid gambling and these are the two major religious that forbid gambling, but it is an individual choice and interest. And we come to some certain things, we should remove religious from it. Gambling has been existing from the creation of the world. Gambling is a competition that winner take all. Serpent gambled with Eve and won her heart, and through her, he (serpent) won Adam and he collected all from them. Even when Jesus came to the synagogue, people were playing gamble there, so gambling is personal decision and and not a religious affair.

If I am not mistaking, Christians play gamble more than Muslims. And from the Op, I was thinking that the YouTube video would strictly for Islamic casino but from what I saw there is general. Gambling is for everywhere and not for a particular group.

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September 04, 2023, 09:28:36 PM
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To be honest, I thought the video was about an Islamic casino or a casino that allows Muslims to gamble because I have seen so many of his videos on other topics and also some short clips from TikTok and his teachings are always good to listen to.

And to see his picture on a casino post really got my attention. Although his post didn’t ponder entirely on casino but I still got something from it, like we shouldn’t discourage one from doing something good even if all they have been doing in their life has been evil. And since gambling is haram we shouldn’t discourage those that partake in it to not do other holy things because we are all human and we can change for the better and that little good they did could be the catalyst for it.
It's more like not condemning those Muslims that's still go on indulging in gambling activity despite calling themselves Muslims and knowing fully that what they're are doing is a Haram to their religion and belief system. That showing them love even in their sinful life believing that they will one day change from continually doing that which is Haram like the gambling.  IMO, some of these condemnation people face in their religion for reason of one sinful act or the other is usually taken up by those religious extremists and such attitude is not healthy in any religion.
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The best way to have the right idea to respond to this question is by first of all watching the video to see what the video is all about and, Islamic scholars i beginning to dive into a different new level of teaching which is going to be very interesting, since some of them are already questioning to old status quo, and if you must know why some religion followers default in they practice some time is because of how malicious those rules are and how they religion interpret it, but more also what have influenced alot of things also is the changing in societal perspectives.
One religious leader interprets what is in his religion, and other religious leaders interpret the same thing but from a different point of view, so this alone often creates conflict. So, regarding the video, what are the responses from other scholars and how do they react to it? That's what we have to look for.

This may be a new level of teaching, but it would be better for all scholars to find the most suitable method for their people because not all have advanced thinking. Many people from the same religion still do not have thoughts that are in line with their religious leaders, so they often misunderstand what they interpret. And this is what everyone pays attention to and how they perceive and, see and understand the content of the video.

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I am not a Muslim myself, but to the best of my knowledge, based on their Qur'an, gambling is considered a sin. Consequently, it is generally expected that Muslims should refrain from engaging in it. Muslims are renowned for their strong religious beliefs and typically follow the teachings of the Qur'an closely. Given this, I believe that the concept of a 'Halal casino' would likely encounter significant opposition from the Muslim community.
Gambling is not halal in islam all forms of gambling are illegal in Islam everything derived from gambling is haram. Therefore, as a Muslim it is necessary to stay away from all forms of gambling. Gambling is described in the Qur'an as an abomination and the work of satan. It has been ordered to stay away from them. Enmity and hatred are created through gambling. In addition through these satan diverts people from prayer and remembrance of Allah.
Yes, it is true that gambling or various casinos are haram in the eyes of Islam, there is no such thing as halal. They all religions have such revelations of good and evil and instructions yet people indulge in those sinful activities or evil actions. We know that drinking alcohol or wine is completely forbidden in Islam, yet knowing all these things consume them and engage in haram activities. In that case we will definitely look at such casino platform as haram and never be halal. Casino is never halal it is totally haram and by gambling people indulge in their various evil deeds due to which gambling is haram in Islam.

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I was just browsing YouTube and found a video NEW | Halal Casino? - Mufti Menk

Is there any concept of Halal Casino  Huh
By the way Mufti Ismail ibn Musa Menk is an Islamic Scholar from Zimbabwe and also he is leading the fatwa department in that country.

Just watch the video and let me know the views about it.


He doesn't really talk about the Halal Casino, his focus is on the fact that if someone does one sin, you shouldn't tell them what's the point of protecting this rule if you commit sin in other thing. If you commit sin in one particular thing, you shouldn't think like after one sin, it's okay to commit every sin. Overall, it's better to commit one sin over two sins. This title was really a clickbait for me but his point is clear and to be honest, title was sarcasm in this case. How can halal casino exist? There is no way, right? The act of gambling is a sin in Muslin religion itself. It's also sin to give away loans but modern world, even Muslim world has banks and their bank concept is really very interesting. I thought there was some kind of similar concept in gambling too when he gave this video a Halal Casino title.

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/// but also an obvious attempt of trying to justify something that they should not be doing.

It's true that what is wrong should not be justified or distorted. I am not a Muslim, but I believe that the teachings from the church and the Bible have specific meanings and should not be interpreted differently. Not everyone is highly educated, which is why a straightforward interpretation can be easily understood. What would happen if actions that were originally declared as sins were justified as 'okay'? 'Okay' can be subjective and may not always align with what is right or wrong. I think there should be clear distinctions between right and wrong.

 
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