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[AbuBhakar]

It’s very hard to determine if the RTP of the slot games are accurate or not but most of them have license and audited especially the reputable game provider so we can have confidence that they will not rigged the RTP.

He might be confused about the live RTP and theoretical RTP. Anyway, Live RTP is based on the players profit and total wager on specific slot so it always moves the percentage.

I think the RTP is not determined by the casinos but by the game providers. Irrespective of the casino where you play a particular game, the RTP is always the same because the casinos does not have the approval to tamper with the game or the software that run the games, theirs is just to list the game in their platform and in the advent of a problem with the game, the providers are those that resolve such problems. It is similar to how the bookies set the odds of sports matches and even NBA, the casinos have no business with those but just feature them in their platform. The only exception to this are games that are casino specifics, I mean games created by the casinos.

You’re right on this. RTP was set by the game provider and I doubt casino can modify it on their own but on some cases they can request to adjust the RTP a little bit higher since some casino claim that they have the maximum RTP on their games.

What we are discussing is about the accuracy of the RTP set by the game provider. If they declare 97%, how user can prove that it’s really 97% in actual?

[adultcrypto]

I think the RTP is not determined by the casinos but by the game providers. Irrespective of the casino where you play a particular game, the RTP is always the same because the casinos does not have the approval to tamper with the game or the software that run the games, theirs is just to list the game in their platform and in the advent of a problem with the game, the providers are those that resolve such problems. It is similar to how the bookies set the odds of sports matches and even NBA, the casinos have no business with those but just feature them in their platform. The only exception to this are games that are casino specifics, I mean games created by the casinos.

You’re right on this. RTP was set by the game provider and I doubt casino can modify it on their own but on some cases they can request to adjust the RTP a little bit higher since some casino claim that they have the maximum RTP on their games.

This is another angle to this because I have seen such comment in the ANN Thread of a casino where they boosted of having the highest RTP. If it is the game providers that can only alter the RTP then it make sense to assume that it will be at the request of the casino.

What we are discussing is about the accuracy of the RTP set by the game provider. If they declare 97%, how user can prove that it’s really 97% in actual?

There is no way to verify this. By logic, the game providers have no interest changing since they don't bear the burden of paying winnings rather their interest is to provide games that is fair and transparent, although with house edge which is why the casinos pay to use their games in their platform. This is my thinking though, there can be variations that I don't know.

[AbuBhakar]

What we are discussing is about the accuracy of the RTP set by the game provider. If they declare 97%, how user can prove that it’s really 97% in actual?

There is no way to verify this. By logic, the game providers have no interest changing since they don't bear the burden of paying winnings rather their interest is to provide games that is fair and transparent, although with house edge which is why the casinos pay to use their games in their platform. This is my thinking though, there can be variations that I don't know.

If you will read again the post which you quoted first and the flow of discussion back then you will notice that this post of yours is what I’m trying to imply. There’s no need to explain to me how the RTP works. 

He might be confused about the live RTP and theoretical RTP. Anyway, Live RTP is based on the players profit and total wager on specific slot so it always moves the percentage.

The live RTP may be quite different from the theoretical RTP and that’s probably why many gamblers may start to think that the game is rigged (although it’s not).

Right, live RTP is always changing and every casino has different live RTP records since it’s based on the total wager made on that specific slot games and profit within the casino.

This data might result to confusion for beginner slot player since some casino displays above 100% RTP on short time frame.

[Wakate]

There is only one way to avoid losing in gambling and that is I you don't gamble at all except that you can never gamble and escape losing because that's one of the things that makes the Casinos going, they want you to lose so that you will be motivated to try to recover your money then you lose more then if you are lucky you can win a little so that you will continue gambling. Even if you are in a very good mood do not gamble above what you can afford to lose because at the end of the day you either lose more or win.

Anybody that want to lose will lose even when they may not want it. Losing bets in gambling is like something that is foreseen for all gamblers to be losing to money due to them attempting to make money from betting. Those that are afraid to lose money should better stay away from gambling because their is no way gambling can be halted when you are still looking for how to quickly make profits.

[Joy- maker]

Anybody that does not like to gamble with small amounts should stick to using big amount so that it can increase their chances of making huge profits from gambling. Gambling is not all about making money alone, you will lose bets too and their is no way you can avoid that, betyer to gamble with small balance instead of greed to make us increase it to an amount that will be very difficult to recover from if the casino swallows the money and their is no where else to get a repay. Anybody that don't enjoy gambling should better leave.

Gambling is said to be enjoyable when you gambling responsibly and with the amount of money you can afford to loose. People don't have to be greedy while gambling, they should always have a budget and stick to it. for me gambling is just another form of entertainment, and people who always see gambling that way will never see reasons to be greedy while gambling. And As the matter of fact those set person's who are always greedy while  gambling are those guys who see gambling as a source of income, you will see them staking heavily while  gambling, and when will go deep down those amounts are amounts they can't afford to loose, they are staking heavily if they can be lucky at once, and I believe that is not the right way to gamble even if gambling is game chance. See I'm not against those who always stake heavily while gambling provided they can afford to loose those amounts. People should just make gambling enjoyable for them, by having a budget and stick to it.

[CroverNo01]

There is only one way to avoid losing in gambling and that is I you don't gamble at all except that you can never gamble and escape losing because that's one of the things that makes the Casinos going, they want you to lose so that you will be motivated to try to recover your money then you lose more then if you are lucky you can win a little so that you will continue gambling. Even if you are in a very good mood do not gamble above what you can afford to lose because at the end of the day you either lose more or win.

Anybody that want to lose will lose even when they may not want it. Losing bets in gambling is like something that is foreseen for all gamblers to be losing to money due to them attempting to make money from betting. Those that are afraid to lose money should better stay away from gambling because their is no way gambling can be halted when you are still looking for how to quickly make profits.

It has been made obviously severally that the house edge will always be higher and it is always worth knowing that, no one can truly wreck a casino atleast not the ones that have limit on their winning amount.
As a gambler, before you stake on a game, you should have gotten two thoughts already which would either be a win or loss and which nothing is certain, so with their orientation, we should be able to only gamble with what we can afford to lose.

[khaled0111]

RTP was set by the game provider and I doubt casino can modify it on their own but on some cases they can request to adjust the RTP a little bit higher since some casino claim that they have the maximum RTP on their games.

What we are discussing is about the accuracy of the RTP set by the game provider. If they declare 97%, how user can prove that it’s really 97% in actual?

That’s correct. It’s the game provider that sets the game’s RTP and not the casino (unless it’s an in-house slot game, of course).
Slot games are closed-source and are hosted on the game provider’s servers so casino owners can’t modify them (it’s technically impossible).
I remember reading a post by a casino owner in which he confirmed that some game providers can adjust the RTP based on the casino’s request. I can’t seem to find that post right now but I will share it here once I find it.

[Natalim]

What we are discussing is about the accuracy of the RTP set by the game provider. If they declare 97%, how user can prove that it’s really 97% in actual?

We can’t really prove it ourselves, but think of it this way. Before a game is released and made available to gamblers, it’s already licensed. That means the license provider has already checked it and verified that the RTP is correct.

So at that point, all we can really do is trust whoever approved the license and just play the game, hoping to get lucky. Even then, a 97% RTP is already considered high, but with even just a 1% house edge, it’s still very hard to win in the long run.

[mirakal]

We can’t really prove it ourselves, but think of it this way. Before a game is released and made available to gamblers, it’s already licensed. That means the license provider has already checked it and verified that the RTP is correct.

In that case, if there’s really an issue with RTP reliability, it shouldn’t be blamed on the casino but on the game provider. Big providers like Pragmatic Play supply the same games to different casinos, so it’s basically the same system everywhere. Casinos can’t really manipulate that even if they wanted to. And with 97% RTP already, that’s not small. They don’t need to be too greedy anyway, slots already drain our money as it is.

[Gentle_Soul]

There is only one way to avoid losing in gambling and that is I you don't gamble at all except that you can never gamble and escape losing because that's one of the things that makes the Casinos going, they want you to lose so that you will be motivated to try to recover your money then you lose more then if you are lucky you can win a little so that you will continue gambling. Even if you are in a very good mood do not gamble above what you can afford to lose because at the end of the day you either lose more or win.

Anybody that want to lose will lose even when they may not want it. Losing bets in gambling is like something that is foreseen for all gamblers to be losing to money due to them attempting to make money from betting. Those that are afraid to lose money should better stay away from gambling because their is no way gambling can be halted when you are still looking for how to quickly make profits.

As a gambler you shouldn't be afraid to lose its what you should be able to respect at anytime because definitely it may happen once in a while. In as  much as you are doing or having a calculated risk before gambling your instincts or analysis might not be always 100% correct all the time so that alone should make you know that losing is inevitable, the problem is not even when you lose but how you manage your loses

[Beparanf]

As a gambler you shouldn't be afraid to lose its what you should be able to respect at anytime because definitely it may happen once in a while. In as  much as you are doing or having a calculated risk before gambling your instincts or analysis might not be always 100% correct all the time so that alone should make you know that losing is inevitable, the problem is not even when you lose but how you manage your loses

Indeed losing is inevitable in gambling but experiencing fear when losing is not bad at all because this gives you a sign to still think carefully and be cautious on your bet.

Without fear, gambler will be involved on much greedy bets that result to more losses. Fear is a combination of excitement and thrill when playing casino games.

That’s what make gambling more entertainment.

[GiftedMAN]

As a gambler you shouldn't be afraid to lose its what you should be able to respect at anytime because definitely it may happen once in a while. In as  much as you are doing or having a calculated risk before gambling your instincts or analysis might not be always 100% correct all the time so that alone should make you know that losing is inevitable, the problem is not even when you lose but how you manage your loses

Before gamblers begin their gambling by right they ought to have understood that it's either you win or you lose in gambling that's the two things that must happen to every gambler it's inevitable. You may have a active instinct but bear in mind that it doesn't stop you from winning or losing likewise all the calculated risk you can think of so the best thing you should do is to gamble with what you can afford to lose and don't chase your losses when you are not getting lucky in gambling.

[Ziskinberg]

Without fear, gambler will be involved on much greedy bets that result to more losses. Fear is a combination of excitement and thrill when playing casino games.

There’s no gambler who doesn’t feel fear when gambling, unless someone has infinite money, which is impossible. If you don’t feel that fear, then either you’re drunk or you’re betting so small that there’s no thrill at all. And at that point, what’s even the point of gambling? It doesn’t really fit the idea of entertainment anymore.

Imagine winning and not feeling happy, then losing and not feeling sad. What are you, a robot?

[khaled0111]

There’s no gambler who doesn’t feel fear when gambling, unless someone has infinite money, which is impossible. If you don’t feel that fear, then either you’re drunk or you’re betting so small that there’s no thrill at all. And at that point, what’s even the point of gambling? It doesn’t really fit the idea of entertainment anymore.

Do you understand that being thrilled does not mean being afraid? Being thrilled has nothing to do with being afraid, and this is something gamblers need to understand.
You can place as many bets as you want and not feel afraid (as long as you don’t gamble more than what you can afford to lose), but you should feel the thrill because this is what gambling is all about.

[arwin100]

There’s no gambler who doesn’t feel fear when gambling, unless someone has infinite money, which is impossible. If you don’t feel that fear, then either you’re drunk or you’re betting so small that there’s no thrill at all. And at that point, what’s even the point of gambling? It doesn’t really fit the idea of entertainment anymore.

Do you understand that being thrilled does not mean being afraid? Being thrilled has nothing to do with being afraid, and this is something gamblers need to understand.
You can place as many bets as you want and not feel afraid (as long as you don’t gamble more than what you can afford to lose), but you should feel the thrill because this is what gambling is all about.

By definition itself its completely different. Thrill is like you feel challenge and excited to what you are doing, mostly you feel adrenaline rush when you are currently playing.

While fear is you are afraid of what's going to happen and it defines everything negative matters.

They can provably avoid getting afraid on situations they are facing especially if they gamble using the money he can afford to lose. This is basic thing to do and if he's consistent doing that small discipline provably he can enjoy what he's doing in long run and can feel those enjoyment while playing his favorite casino games.

[stadus]

While fear is you are afraid of what's going to happen and it defines everything negative matters.

If you’re already full of fear, you’re probably close to having a phobia, and at that point you wouldn’t gamble in the first place, lol. But the thrill, that’s really what we’re after. That feeling is what gives satisfaction every time we gamble, and winning is just a bonus on top of it.

To keep feeling that thrill, we actually need to experience both wins and losses. That balance keeps things challenging and makes gambling enjoyable. On the other hand, if you just keep losing nonstop, the thrill disappears. It stops being fun and just feels like you’re throwing money away.

[khaled0111]

By definition itself its completely different. Thrill is like you feel challenge and excited to what you are doing, mostly you feel adrenaline rush when you are currently playing.

While fear is you are afraid of what's going to happen and it defines everything negative matters.

Well, both feeling thrilled and feeling afraid trigger adrenaline (which is an involuntary reaction that you can not control), but as you may already know, they are not the same thing, even by definition (as you said).

They can provably avoid getting afraid on situations they are facing especially if they gamble using the money he can afford to lose. This is basic thing to do and if he's consistent doing that small discipline provably he can enjoy what he's doing in long run and can feel those enjoyment while playing his favorite casino games.

I get your point, and sorry if this seems a bit harsh but do you realize there is a difference between "probably" and "provably"?

[Ziskinberg]

There’s no gambler who doesn’t feel fear when gambling, unless someone has infinite money, which is impossible. If you don’t feel that fear, then either you’re drunk or you’re betting so small that there’s no thrill at all. And at that point, what’s even the point of gambling? It doesn’t really fit the idea of entertainment anymore.

Do you understand that being thrilled does not mean being afraid? Being thrilled has nothing to do with being afraid, and this is something gamblers need to understand.
You can place as many bets as you want and not feel afraid (as long as you don’t gamble more than what you can afford to lose), but you should feel the thrill because this is what gambling is all about.

There’s actually a connection there. The thrill comes from uncertainty. When things are uncertain, you feel a mix of possible outcomes, winning or losing, so both excitement and a bit of fear are present. That’s why when you lose, you don’t feel happy, it’s that small fear you already felt while gambling showing up.

[Franklyn-wood]

Anybody that want to lose will lose even when they may not want it. Losing bets in gambling is like something that is foreseen for all gamblers to be losing to money due to them attempting to make money from betting. Those that are afraid to lose money should better stay away from gambling because their is no way gambling can be halted when you are still looking for how to quickly make profits.

It has been made obviously severally that the house edge will always be higher and it is always worth knowing that, no one can truly wreck a casino atleast not the ones that have limit on their winning amount.
As a gambler, before you stake on a game, you should have gotten two thoughts already which would either be a win or loss and which nothing is certain, so with their orientation, we should be able to only gamble with what we can afford to lose.

Gambling with sentimental and emotionally attachment creates way for more losses, because at this time if what is assume to be a win becomes loss, the gambler might be forced to take a more risky decision by staking higher with expectation of winning to recover the previous losses this time, which might result to more losses.
So it's wise to remove every emotional feelings and be self controlled, gambling is not an investment it's a game of chance and luck, know having this in mind will help to control decision making while placing bets.

[Rockson1]

Before gamblers begin their gambling by right they ought to have understood that it's either you win or you lose in gambling that's the two things that must happen to every gambler it's inevitable. You may have a active instinct but bear in mind that it doesn't stop you from winning or losing likewise all the calculated risk you can think of so the best thing you should do is to gamble with what you can afford to lose and don't chase your losses when you are not getting lucky in gambling.

You spotted on a very important point that every gambler should know, I understand that some gamblers harbour fast money mindset and that one they have from when they start to gamble, whoever that occupy his mind with such might get disappointed, with you have said, gamblers do not have to be to sure of anything, although majority of gamblers came into gambling for quick returns but the earlier they understand that in gambling, as they expect winning at all time as they think, they should also prepare their minds for what we can not do without which is losing so that it can balanced.