Friendly wagers in Bitcointalk

[GxSTxV]

As a regular poster in the gambling discussion section here and also a big sports fan, I frequently engage in bets with my friends and relatives on many occasions and sport events. For example last week my cousin insists that Haaland will win the upcoming Ballon d'Or award, while I'm also confident that Messi will secure his 8th trophy easily in this edition.
From that I noticed that we don’t have any friendly wagers here in gambling section which I haven't observed before, So let me give you an example of what we can establish if you like it:
So by following several sport threads here such as LaLiga. Lets say one user posted his opinion and analysis about the next match between RMA against RSO and he thinks that RMA won’t win that match, another user reply to him and disagree with him…. From that both users can agree to do a friendly wager or a bet between each other and set a value for the bet, and after the match is over the user who lost that bet should pay up to what they both agreed on.

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

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[dothebeats]

I think it's happening every now and then that members here are betting against each other for a particular outcome of a match. It doesn't break any rules, even if the members decide not to pay each other up. You can use escrow to hold the bets until the game is done to help settle the win/lose so there's that. Anyway going back, this can be done, it's just that there isn't a lot of trusting going on these days between the members that aren't as established compared to the old heads here.

[Wiwo]

This may not be too different from the various pools that we use to have here in the forum,  but your idea seems to be a bit different I don't know how other members may see this but for me I may have to point out a few things that you need to address which is not included in your writing.

1: how are members going to stake on those predictions,  are we going to have a dedicated address where the the fees to take part in the prediction going to be send to and payment going out to the winner from same address in form of escrow wallet for this game.

You Can take a look at this thread,  may be you can have a better understanding of what I am saying in terms of organization of the game as you said.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5408229.0

[harizen]

We do have some friendly betting here. You won't just see it having its own thread because it can be done simply on a discussion thread.

Referring to my personal experience, I already engaged in friendly bets on these threads several times already:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1220979.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5169983.0

Also in our local section too.

I even opened up a friendly match before in Mobile Legends:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2773081

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word,

Why not give it a try? You should be the one to start at your preferred thread.

Take note, Please limit your circle to within those regular lurkers on that thread especially if you are dealing with an inactive user.

[Hispo]

I think it's happening every now and then that members here are betting against each other for a particular outcome of a match. It doesn't break any rules, even if the members decide not to pay each other up. You can use escrow to hold the bets until the game is done to help settle the win/lose so there's that. Anyway going back, this can be done, it's just that there isn't a lot of trusting going on these days between the members that aren't as established compared to the old heads here.

In my opinion, if it became a regular practice (even with relatively small amounts) it could help for this section to realize who is to be trusted or not.
Have you ever taken a look at the Collectible Section of the forum? Those who engage there have positive trust and feedback and it may be one of the communities here where the most trusted users interact with one another.  It would be positive if something like that happened here, sure it would be more likely someone could end up not paying their debt, but that is exactly what the trust system is for.

As time passes, we could have a very clear idea on who to bet with and for how much. It is also unlikely someone who is engaged in a signature campaign would risk to be tagged as a defaulter because of a relatively small bet, and those big enough can always get escrow.

But would not this section need an additional sub-section where people can set their addresses and terms of the bet, as it is usually done in the lending/borrowing section?

[Cantsay]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

If you check the gambling board you’ll see that there’s a thread where users wager on their Fantasy’s premier league, It’s been managed by some reputable forum member and it also includes my campaign manager and the user that’s manger the Op signature campaign but I doubt it’s open for everyone though, but at the start of this premier league season we received an invitation to join but I decided not to join because I didn’t pay much attention to my Fantasy Premier League team which means I’m in no position to compete with anyone.

If you feel like you want to run a bet with someone on a specific sport with forum members you can do it but the only issue is the pool funds, it’s either you’ll look for a casino here in the forum that supports your idea to sponsor it or you’ll just use the money of those that are interested in betting in your little game. Btw, it’s not against the rule.

[Slow death]

From what I've seen, there's something similar in this section, but the problem with this idea you gave is that if all the members of the forum were betting against each other, this would take customers away from the casinos, so it wouldn't make much sense to have the casino. The function of the casino is precisely to be a means in which people can place bets and the casino guarantees that if these people get it right, they will be paid what is their right, but here on the forum it is not a place licensed to be a gambling platform and there will be no one to guarantee that everyone will receive it when they win, so as you can see there are 2 problems with your idea

but the biggest problem with your idea is the issue of license, using the forum as a sports betting platform would require the forum to have a gambling license, and I don't know of any forum where it is a forum and at the same time have a gambling license. other things and that the market would be very limited, for example if there was a real madrid game against barcelona, if you tell people to place bets on this forum for this real madrid game against barcelona, then all people will have as an option to bet will be on betting which team will win

but in the casino people will be able to bet on various markets such as over and under goals, cards, corners, who will win in the 1 half, who will score a goal first, who will score a corner first. So there are many options to bet on this Real Madrid game against Barcelona, but all these options I mentioned will not be available here on the forum. that's why I see your idea being difficult to implement without causing problems and constraints

[livingfree]

IIRC, there have been something like this before but I don't know the stats on how many were successful and not.

I also don't think that there's a rule to break on this one as there have been organized betting that has been made specifically on this section. Someone may try to organize this type of betting when they're too firm with their opinions and put it up as a bet.

It's like on who's proving to be better on analysis with the games that they're following. But yes, just make it friendly and not that much to bet with. We used to have this type of betting IRL.

[dothebeats]

I think it's happening every now and then that members here are betting against each other for a particular outcome of a match. It doesn't break any rules, even if the members decide not to pay each other up. You can use escrow to hold the bets until the game is done to help settle the win/lose so there's that. Anyway going back, this can be done, it's just that there isn't a lot of trusting going on these days between the members that aren't as established compared to the old heads here.

In my opinion, if it became a regular practice (even with relatively small amounts) it could help for this section to realize who is to be trusted or not.
Have you ever taken a look at the Collectible Section of the forum? Those who engage there have positive trust and feedback and it may be one of the communities here where the most trusted users interact with one another.  It would be positive if something like that happened here, sure it would be more likely someone could end up not paying their debt, but that is exactly what the trust system is for.

I've seen a lot of regular collectibles folks that underdelivered or never delivered goods at all. The thing is, you'll never know who to fully trust as some people are just trying to build their reputation to hopefully jump on to bigger figures, and that's when they'll disappear.

As time passes, we could have a very clear idea on who to bet with and for how much. It is also unlikely someone who is engaged in a signature campaign would risk to be tagged as a defaulter because of a relatively small bet, and those big enough can always get escrow.

It could be used for small amounts, but I'll be wary in trying to deal with someone with huge bets. That, perhaps, will be something that can be handled by an escrow should this come to fruition (hopefully).

But would not this section need an additional sub-section where people can set their addresses and terms of the bet, as it is usually done in the lending/borrowing section?

It could just be another thread wherein people can stake their 'gambling' address to, similar to the one in the Meta section of this forum. I doubt theymos will ever consider creating a sub-forum dedicated to just this one thing.

[Darker45]

It would be fun. I oftentimes challenge others to a bet whenever disagreements arise, not just in sports but in almost all things. And I'm also often challenged this way. I guess this has kind of become a culture here in my country. Ever since I was a child, many disagreements, even in a quiz or an exam item at school, ended up in a bet.

But the problem, however, when it comes to sports disagreements is that odds are available. To somebody who favors the favorite team with lower odds, say, 1.50, it would be to his/her advantage to challenge for a bet. But to the other who sides with the underdog that has odds of, say, 2.90, he/she better bet through a platform.

[len01]

I fully support this idea with a very small amount and I would also agree with what @Hispo said if events like that were regularly held but still with small numbers so that anyone could take part in this event.

I know that there are actually several trusted members here who hold events like this, but as I can see the betting amounts are a little bigger.

I even opened up a friendly match before in Mobile Legends:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2773081

btw, do you have plans to open this event again? maybe I can be your challenger and for now I have a team in this game. hopefully we have an agreement

[Oshosondy]

What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

I have not seen something like this before but I have thought about it before. Some gambling sites would have wanted to do something like that but probably they know that it is not going to make them the profit they want. Because on the gambling site, the gambling site can make money for the service rendered for the bet two people are betting between themselves, but maybe it is not going to be profitable like the way it is on the gambling sites now. If I can see something like this on a reputable casino or bookie, I will try it and see how it is.

[danherbias07]

Trust issues will be the problem, this could spark a scam. That's why it's just better to do it with a sports betting site.

But there could be ways it could be done like escrow. Although, you said it's just small money so I don't think it is worth it. Maybe a list of the people who will just gamble with other members of the forum is better but like I said it could still lead to a scam especially when the bet gets higher as time flies by.
The good part about betting against each other is there's no handicap included most of the time. For example in basketball, if a gambler is so sure that his team will win the game then he could just directly bet against those who oppose him. I've done it before but not in this forum but with neighbors. Although I know the team I am rooting for is the favorite and want to give a plus to my neighbor as his team is the underdog, he didn't take it and just wanted a direct bet. He actually won though and I am surprised then we had fun discussing about the game.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

As a regular poster in the gambling discussion section here and also a big sports fan, I frequently engage in bets with my friends and relatives on many occasions and sport events. For example last week my cousin insists that Haaland will win the upcoming Ballon d'Or award, while I'm also confident that Messi will secure his 8th trophy easily in this edition.
From that I noticed that we don’t have any friendly wagers here in gambling section which I haven't observed before, So let me give you an example of what we can establish if you like it:
So by following several sport threads here such as LaLiga. Lets say one user posted his opinion and analysis about the next match between RMA against RSO and he thinks that RMA won’t win that match, another user reply to him and disagree with him…. From that both users can agree to do a friendly wager or a bet between each other and set a value for the bet, and after the match is over the user who lost that bet should pay up to what they both agreed on.

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

      -    I don't see anything wrong with you thinking this, mate, and I also think it has been done before here on the forum in the gambling discussion as well. I guess it's like extra entertainment while gambling, right? And I also think that's okay for gamblers who like sports bets.
I'm not so fond of sports betting right now. Because I'm not that familiar with the sports teams you're talking about.

Right now, I often only play slot games when I have an allocation budget for gambling. But I have read many such betting games here in the forum, where the members here are the ones who bet in different locales.

[Strongkored]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

I can understand what you mean. so this will be a bet per match only, Every time the match is finished the winner of the bet will immediately receive the prize, the problem is that it will be constrained by network fees because you said this is only a small bet, and if the prizes are distributed at the end of the season then the constraints will be on the players who for each match you have to spend money for network fees, especially the members who are admins of your idea must be those who are highly trusted and will pay the prizes on time.
What is being done in several threads pools such as the EPL, Laliga, Serie A, and Champions League where the fee is paid once and the winner is awarded at the end of the season is very good, and apart from the current system in my opinion there is no better system that can compete with it.

[coin-investor]

. From that both users can agree to do a friendly wager or a bet between each other and set a value for the bet, and after the match is over the user who lost that bet should pay up to what they both agreed on.

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

I've already done this and continue doing this with my relatives from abroad and my social media friends It's fun because you know who you're betting against and it's a very friendly bet I haven't tried it here on Bitcointalk although there are already threads here Bitcointalk, it encourages camaraderie among us and we'll know who among us are good in the sports we are betting.
I prefer to bet on my friends whom I personally meet because I know their capability to analyze the game sometimes I end up winning but we end up having a drink and the one who loses the bet pays for the drinks.

[Wind_FURY]

I believe another fun and friendly wagers that can be done in BitcoinTalk would be between those "technical analysis experts" in the Speculation Subforum, to see if they truly are willing to bet in their price predictions. To be frank, I think none of them trade cryptocurrencies with large amounts of volume. The real whalecumulators of BitcoinTalk are probably just quiet or act in a trollish manner maybe.

[CODE200]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

This sounds really fun. I actually enjoys friendly wagers with my relatives and friends, especially in sports because we're a huge fan of volleyball and basketball. This is actually a habit that we practice every time the team that we are rooting is playing.

Trust issues will be the problem, this could spark a scam. That's why it's just better to do it with a sports betting site.

Agree on this also. It may sounds fun and entertaining but at the same time I find it risky since it lacks security and protection. It may be just small amount but still, we are talking about money so safety precautions should be done and observed.

[bittraffic]

There is a distrust among internet users. No trust even when they see each other's faces on facebook. There will be the need of escrow for anything like this. Its just needed as not everyone keep their word.

Friendly wagers are great only if they wager something less valuable like memecoins like SHIB, 100K SHIB is nothing worth of but that might just work for friendly wagers and no friendship will turn south and no one gets red trust.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

It's possible and if you think there shall be coordination and trust then why not give a try, such can be posted on games and round, but I don't know the rate at which gamblers on this forum will be interested in that honestly because most were already attached to their own normal way of gambling, then also , will you be the one coordinating the whole thing, do you actually have an idea on what it takes to start one.

[GxSTxV]

it's just that there isn't a lot of trusting going on these days between the members that aren't as established compared to the old heads here.

That’s why i think it’s should be done with someone you know before and trust, a user with some positive trades and history and after all it’s only a friendly bet there’s no harm when the other part doesn’t pay as promised and people will only avoid betting with him. I agree that old days here were better and there was more trust between users.

1: how are members going to stake on those predictions,  are we going to have a dedicated address where the the fees to take part in the prediction going to be send to and payment going out to the winner from same address in form of escrow wallet for this game.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5408229.0

It won’t be organized or anything like an official contest or competition, there’s no need to stake or use an escrow for a friendly wager, both users agree to bet against each other in a football match or any event then the loser pay the other after results come out.

[dimonstration]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

It’s really fun if you stumble on a user that has a sense of sportsmanship but most of the user especially on gambling discussion board specifically on sports thread doesn’t pay importance to all their opinion and analysis since they only post for signature requirements.

You can find a lot of friendly wager on a competition thread organized by sportsbet since participants in there usually want to have side bets compared on the general discussion thread that most of the user doesn’t really gambling at all and only watch sports.

[mindrust]

I’ve seen it happening numerous times before. You probably missed them friendly bets since they happen rarely and that’s why you think it is not happening. You need to read the whole forum to catch these rare events and it is not an easy task obviously. Sometimes the loser doesn’t pay, sometimes they do. I think I’ve seen both. People usually bet on the future price of bitcoin, the next US president and the next WC winner. You can follow the wall observer thread for the price action discussions and the gambling sub forum for the other topics.

[cabron]

Forget friendly wagers, because it will be abused by more people who are already abusing casinos. They were even abusing casinos which their activity could be traced, all the more with friendly wagers that doesn't have anything to hold.

Just screenshot your bets from bookmakers site and post on the thread. That\s what they do in the sports betting threads to every sports thread. SO if you disagree to the opinion of someone which he chose the other team, then chose yours and post your screenshot on the thread.

[maydna]

You can only do it with people you trust because we are here to place bets and must agree to bet. There should be someone who will hold the money while you and others bet so that whoever wins the money will be sent to the winner. But you or they can send the money to whoever wins.

Perhaps you think it's fun, but I prefer to keep gambling in casinos. This is something new on this forum. You can try it with friends you already know well, and it's possible to do it with friends on this forum. But it would be more fun if it was done offline with our close friends, especially since we know them well so that we can trust each other.

[rhomelmabini]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

For sure it's fun but wouldn't do it unless I trust that user tbh or there's no escrow to trust. Well, it's not that bad of an idea and can be done on the right board and there should be a rules set to not be abused especially by newbies. We can still see those who are regulars here but always check if they are to be trusted before placing a bet on them, just to be safe.

[Sanitough]

I find it easier and safer to place my bets on casinos or sportsbooks. I have also engaged in friendly bets before, but only if the betting lines aren't available. I believe it would be more ideal to have a tournament-style betting system where the winner takes all; this would likely attract more bettors. I'm specifically referring to some betting threads that are run by reputable forum users. You simply put in your registration fee and choose your bet, and in the end, there's only one winner who takes home a substantial amount of money.

Well, your idea is good as well, but based on my observations and experience, it's not as attractive as you might think. Friendly wagers, for me, are more applicable in real-life situations, not in the online world, especially in a forum where users are anonymous.

[OgNasty]

Friendly bets are always fun on bitcointalk but they are usually done for things that a casino couldn’t be used for. Members would also be wise to use escrow in these situations. If you’re just making a small sports bet, I would stick to using the typical online casinos that you can find in people’s signatures here as opposed to trying to find someone to bet against.

[Mahanton]

As a regular poster in the gambling discussion section here and also a big sports fan, I frequently engage in bets with my friends and relatives on many occasions and sport events. For example last week my cousin insists that Haaland will win the upcoming Ballon d'Or award, while I'm also confident that Messi will secure his 8th trophy easily in this edition.
From that I noticed that we don’t have any friendly wagers here in gambling section which I haven't observed before, So let me give you an example of what we can establish if you like it:
So by following several sport threads here such as LaLiga. Lets say one user posted his opinion and analysis about the next match between RMA against RSO and he thinks that RMA won’t win that match, another user reply to him and disagree with him…. From that both users can agree to do a friendly wager or a bet between each other and set a value for the bet, and after the match is over the user who lost that bet should pay up to what they both agreed on.

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

Its possible but it is something that would really be ensuring out or would really be assuring that you would really be able to get those winnings if ever you would really be that making some friendly bets here on this forum.
Yes, we are indeed a community but when it comes to money then it is really that hard to trust and make yourself have some deals with other people because you wont know if they would really be paying up on the time that they have lost a bet. This is why it wont really be shocking that they would really be that rather going into a sportsbetting site rather than on betting against other people because you would really be just finding yourself that disappointed if ever someones hadnt really be able to pay up even they do lost. This is why we cant really be that able to possibly make out some bets on this forum or this place unless if you both
are really that able to meet up or friend in real life or physical then you would really be able to make those kind of betting but in other people which you dont know or even met?
It is impossible but well i cant really say for 100% because there would be ones that they will really be sticking into their word.

[famososMuertos]

As a regular poster in the gambling discussion section here and also a big sports fan, I frequently engage in bets with my friends and relatives on many occasions and sport events. For example last week my cousin insists that Haaland will win the upcoming Ballon d'Or award, while I'm also confident that Messi will secure his 8th trophy easily in this edition.
From that I noticed that we don’t have any friendly wagers here in gambling section which I haven't observed before, So let me give you an example of what we can establish if you like it:
So by following several sport threads here such as LaLiga. Lets say one user posted his opinion and analysis about the next match between RMA against RSO and he thinks that RMA won’t win that match, another user reply to him and disagree with him…. From that both users can agree to do a friendly wager or a bet between each other and set a value for the bet, and after the match is over the user who lost that bet should pay up to what they both agreed on.

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

Really! It's just that you mention that you are a regular on the betting board, therefore you should know that an alternative to what you want is a Pool, they are fun and you place a only buyin and you can have fun for months, I have been to some not all but let's say that there you can share your skills with other players.

On the other hand, if you want, I will accept any bets you want to offer me without exceeding 1 mbtc, in soccer, I would like the one about who wins the Ballon d'Or, without escrow, or if you wish we can look for one.

Open a thread in the games and rounds section, and you are the referee, it is probably not that complicated but it will entail time and many responsibilities.

There is also currently the BSFL, you can include yourself there. It's a lot of spoiler for the pools but it's really what it is, right?.

[mirakal]

I think it's happening every now and then that members here are betting against each other for a particular outcome of a match. It doesn't break any rules, even if the members decide not to pay each other up. You can use escrow to hold the bets until the game is done to help settle the win/lose so there's that. Anyway going back, this can be done, it's just that there isn't a lot of trusting going on these days between the members that aren't as established compared to the old heads here.

True. Members are actually betting with each other especially if both are actually fond on the same sports, so they agree with an amount that one is capable to pay when lose. However, this only happens if both have known each other in the forum well. Otherwise, there will surely be trust issues, as some may only appear good and honest when they are still betting, but when they start losing from their bet, then they suddenly vanish like thin air and it’s like there’s no betting that is happening at all. So if you are too trusting to other members, you will be taken advantage for sure.

[Hispo]

There is a distrust among internet users. No trust even when they see each other's faces on facebook. There will be the need of escrow for anything like this. Its just needed as not everyone keep their word.

Friendly wagers are great only if they wager something less valuable like memecoins like SHIB, 100K SHIB is nothing worth of but that might just work for friendly wagers and no friendship will turn south and no one gets red trust.

If the amount is the correct , there would be very few people who would rather to lose their account reputation instead paying some few bucks to someone who won a bet. It is a matter of common sense, in my opinion.

Here in the gambling section of the forum there are folks who have even acquired debt in the forum without collateral for hundreds of dollars in value and if they pay it, I do not see any problem with them managing 5$ in debt with another member.

But I understand what you mean, though. I cant blame anyone if they prefer to bet on reputable casinos and not having to sweat over thinking they gonna get paid or not.

[yahoo62278]

I would consider an escrow for something like this as you will likely find that some may welch on their bet with you. Using an escrow stops this from being able to happen. If you do not want to go the escrow route, I would say only accept a bet from someone who you trust explicitly..

[alegotardo]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.

In fact, this would be a very interesting type of bet, perhaps some casino owners don't like the idea, as they prefer bets to be placed on their websites.

However, I believe that for this to work we should have at least a system to control this, from advance deposits (to prevent scammers or profiteers), control of bets placed (see the amount collected), and subsequent distribution to winners after the achievement of results.

I believe it would even be possible to develop a bot to monitor posts here on bitcointalk and automate some processes.

Congratulations on the idea, I support it, but in fact there is no way to do this without automated control and some scrows to give reliability to this system.

[ralle14]

The closest thing i've experienced to a friendly wager was the prediction pools that well-known users host before the start of the season, and sometimes you'll see a few users engage with friendly bets.

In fact, this would be a very interesting type of bet, perhaps some casino owners don't like the idea, as they prefer bets to be placed on their websites.

However, I believe that for this to work we should have at least a system to control this, from advance deposits (to prevent scammers or profiteers), control of bets placed (see the amount collected), and subsequent distribution to winners after the achievement of results.

I believe it would even be possible to develop a bot to monitor posts here on bitcointalk and automate some processes.

Congratulations on the idea, I support it, but in fact there is no way to do this without automated control and some scrows to give reliability to this system.

The sportsbooks don't want to miss out on potential profits, and they won't like it once they see gamblers bet directly against one another.

If these friendly wagers become a regular thing, it might be worth having a system to avoid having a bad experience, but most of them are a one-and-done bet, and the amount risked isn't a lot compared to what we see in sportsbooks.

[Oasisman]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

There are already users who's doing it here, but not with a noticeable number. I can't provide a link to that discussions but I swear I've seen a couple, not sure if this was here or in the local board.
Not a bad idea though since there are several sports fans around here who supports different teams. It's actually fun to think that every bet will be supported with analysis. It may help to better understand how the opposing team plays as we might probably biased with our favourite teams. It could also help us in deciding with our bets from the sport bookies.

[Webetcoins]

This is doable and there should be no problems in that, as long as there is a middleman used as an escrow to keep the funds from both users. If you and I want to make a friendly bet on a match, we decide to have a bet of $50, for example, so we both send $50 to the escrow and he keeps the money for us, and once the match is settled and the result is out, the escrow sends the money to the winner and makes an announcement in the thread where it started.

However, this thing is easier if it's done in real life with people who live with you or around and people that you trust so that you guys can do it more efficiently and face no problems. You also won't need to pay anyone to be the escrow since you guys can collect the cash and keep it in front of you while watching the game and then the winner should take it.

[bisdak40]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

We have some P2P betting on our local especially if it's in the finals of our national basketball League and yeah it's fun and so far we have not encountered any problems on doing that, losers not paying, or not heard that we have broken some rules in the forum but usually we bet on the bookies as it is the very convenient and safest way to bet and not worry if your opponent will pay you or not.

[Yogee]

it's just that there isn't a lot of trusting going on these days between the members that aren't as established compared to the old heads here.

That’s why i think it’s should be done with someone you know before and trust, a user with some positive trades and history and after all it’s only a friendly bet there’s no harm when the other part doesn’t pay as promised and people will only avoid betting with him. I agree that old days here were better and there was more trust between users.

What constitutes a friendly bet? The winning party always expects payment no matter how friendly the bet is and things could easily turn ugly when the loser doesn't fulfill his end of the deal. I know relationships in real life ruined because of this.

It's just too much of a hassle for me. Why bother to go through it when there are plenty of bookies that are more convenient to use.

[Wiwo]

it's just that there isn't a lot of trusting going on these days between the members that aren't as established compared to the old heads here.

That’s why i think it’s should be done with someone you know before and trust, a user with some positive trades and history and after all it’s only a friendly bet there’s no harm when the other part doesn’t pay as promised and people will only avoid betting with him. I agree that old days here were better and there was more trust between users.

What constitutes a friendly bet? The winning party always expects payment no matter how friendly the bet is and things could easily turn ugly when the loser doesn't fulfill his end of the deal. I know relationships in real life ruined because of this.

It's just too much of a hassle for me. Why bother to go through it when there are plenty of bookies that are more convenient to use.

I bet to avoid such ugly scenarios that is why we proposed an escrow for the bet,  since it call friendly it may turn out that the other party will not want to keep to their own end of the bargain since it just a friendly bet.

But to give it some such of credibility,  the escrow will allow for such a guarantee that the winner will be getting his rewards,  and this is what will sustain the bet for the long term,  knowing that you get your payment when you make a winning.

[komisariatku]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

That's a really good idea guys.

I think it's fine and doesn't violate any forum rules to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong). However, in my opinion there needs to be an escrow that holds the betting money unless you both have bet before or maybe the member has a good reputation.

If I'm not mistaken, I've seen @icopress betting with @Hhampuz, @Trofo, and others (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5406159.msg62687563#msg62687563). Apart from that, betting with a model like this will make socialization between members even better. I don't find any bad impacts from this idea, it's just that it is prone to fraud/failure to pay.

[aioc]

…. From that both users can agree to do a friendly wager or a bet between each other and set a value for the bet, and after the match is over the user who lost that bet should pay up to what they both agreed on.

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

I think that would be fun I'm sure people here will honor their bets as long as the amount is not that huge, I still recommend a casino if it's a huge amount like over $1000, a $100 bet or lower is recommended for a friendly wager here, there's no need for an escrow if it's a friendly wager it encourages camaraderie between active posters here in the gambling board.

[swogerino]

…. From that both users can agree to do a friendly wager or a bet between each other and set a value for the bet, and after the match is over the user who lost that bet should pay up to what they both agreed on.

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

I think that would be fun I'm sure people here will honor their bets as long as the amount is not that huge, I still recommend a casino if it's a huge amount like over $1000, a $100 bet or lower is recommended for a friendly wager here, there's no need for an escrow if it's a friendly wager it encourages camaraderie between active posters here in the gambling board.

I don't think that would bring anything new or good that we cannot find in any casino.I mean of course it can bring a bit more fun and a bit more "show off" from the winners here as they will most probably brag about how good they are but there are also additional risks here like people not paying what they agreed to pay before the bet.There have always been points of disagreement between people so it is better to bet in a platform where you know they will pay you out the winning amounts,like a reputable sport book.

[slapper]

Betting on sports results has always been fun, and combining it with forum talks adds an interactive layer, but there are a few things that could go wrong. What if disagreements come up? Not every user might show the same sportsmanship as you or your buddy. On the bright side, though, small bets could lead to friendly competition and deeper conversations. From a legal point of view, though, it could be a murky area. In casinos, there are clear ways to handle arguments. Online forums, on the other hand, might not be set up to handle such problems. I like how different it is, but I can't ignore how hard it is

[AbuBhakar]

Betting on sports results has always been fun, and combining it with forum talks adds an interactive layer, but there are a few things that could go wrong. What if disagreements come up? Not every user might show the same sportsmanship as you or your buddy.

The trust system will help you in case there’s someone who doesn’t honor bets made in public thread. That’s why you should only do this friendly wager to someone you knew or with good trust score so that you can assure that he will honor wager since he has a reputation to protect.

Also, trust page is typically being use to record all the active and past bet to a certain user so that it can easily be reminded of the bet made since it’s very hard to browse back post on a thread.

[salad daging]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

It's a good idea, and why not if there aren't any offenses on the forum? Now is this here specifically betting with BTC or can it be with other altcoins? Does it depend on the deal?

Interesting! I would like to try in the near future.
I'm curious so far because only a few people are doing this, not many of them are betting in casinos as my platform provider is doing it there and never here.

If there was a separate thread on friendly betting maybe it would be interesting again, with various other sports.
But I'm just a football lover myself.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

1: how are members going to stake on those predictions,  are we going to have a dedicated address where the the fees to take part in the prediction going to be send to and payment going out to the winner from same address in form of escrow wallet for this game.

If I understand the ops idea correctly , I think it's something that is not that complicated to understand, it's just like two people arguing on whether chelsea or Manchester united will win the match , and then decided to place a bet between themselves.

If after the game, Chelsea won, the friend that said Chelsea will win will take the entire bet, but if Manchester united won instead, the other friend who supported Manchester united will take the entire bet, but if the both team draw, then each can take his or her money back ..

It's a good idea though, but I personally do not this is feasibly, possibly because alot of activities on the forum might not allow such bet competition to last, and again, what about times when the majority of users seems to be supporting one team to win the match, it means one can't possibly find someone to bet with, which can kill the morale to continue to participate in the competition, this is just what I think though .

[Wiwo]

1: how are members going to stake on those predictions,  are we going to have a dedicated address where the the fees to take part in the prediction going to be send to and payment going out to the winner from same address in form of escrow wallet for this game.

If I understand the ops idea correctly , I think it's something that is not that complicated to understand, it's just like two people arguing on whether chelsea or Manchester united will win the match , and then decided to place a bet between themselves.

If after the game, Chelsea won, the friend that said Chelsea will win will take the entire bet, but if Manchester united won instead, the other friend who supported Manchester united will take the entire bet, but if the both team draw, then each can take his or her money back ..

It's a good idea though, but I personally do not this is feasibly, possibly because alot of activities on the forum might not allow such bet competition to last, and again, what about times when the majority of users seems to be supporting one team to win the match, it means one can't possibly find someone to bet with, which can kill the morale to continue to participate in the competition, this is just what I think though.

I understand the idea behind the game os that simple but we should not totally outride the possibility of any difficulties during the bet and from your explanation if both ops bet on each team to win,  where the game is that simple to understand because os either Manchester United win or Chelsea to win,  which will be easy to settle the bet between them both.

But in a situation where the game end in a draw how will that be settle,  or may be the bet will involve multiple members which will bring us back to the same idea as the old one holding a tournament or making a prediction pool,  this makes sense more that way.

[Hispo]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

It's a good idea, and why not if there aren't any offenses on the forum? Now is this here specifically betting with BTC or can it be with other altcoins? Does it depend on the deal?

Interesting! I would like to try in the near future.
I'm curious so far because only a few people are doing this, not many of them are betting in casinos as my platform provider is doing it there and never here.

If there was a separate thread on friendly betting maybe it would be interesting again, with various other sports.
But I'm just a football lover myself.

Keeping in mind we are mostly talking about small bets and transations in a Peer to Peer manner, then people around here would probably prefer to carry out those bets using altcoins like USDT on the Tron Network,  rather than Bitcoin, because the mempool unfortunately is yet to be empty of all those useless tokens and ordinals.

Also, something like OP is describing it won't only take a separate thread for people to bet on, but a new sub section here in the gambling one, so they can open threads for each bet, so there would be a register of each deal and whether the losing party honored their word and paid.

[topbitcoin]

Betting on sports results has always been fun, and combining it with forum talks adds an interactive layer, but there are a few things that could go wrong. What if disagreements come up? Not every user might show the same sportsmanship as you or your buddy. On the bright side, though, small bets could lead to friendly competition and deeper conversations. From a legal point of view, though, it could be a murky area. In casinos, there are clear ways to handle arguments. Online forums, on the other hand, might not be set up to handle such problems. I like how different it is, but I can't ignore how hard it is

Aren't differences of opinion a normal thing in discussions and even in real life differences always arise?
And it is true that in small bets, sometimes someone looks calmer when making these bets and betting small amounts is only based on the excitement of the gathering.
But it cannot be denied that even if we think that this bet is just for fun. but there are always those who bet seriously and continue to chase victory. and people like that tend not to want to accept defeat when betting.

[Gozie51]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

Of course it is usually fun to wager off the real casino betting. In my local parlance, that kind of betting is called "side" which means outside the usual casino betting through your account on the website. I think that could be better understood as off the table betting, like in table games where two people are playing, those who are watching can bet on each other or wager against each while the two individual gamblers have there own separate bet.

Yes that can be called P2P betting and some gamblers specialize on this kind called outside or outside the game, I have witnessed this more in card games, snooker or billiard games.

However, such kind of betting here may need escrow.

[dothebeats]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

Of course it is usually fun to wager off the real casino betting. In my local parlance, that kind of betting is called "side" which means outside the usual casino betting through your account on the website. I think that could be better understood as off the table betting, like in table games where two people are playing, those who are watching can bet on each other or wager against each while the two individual gamblers have there own separate bet.

Yes that can be called P2P betting and some gamblers specialize on this kind called outside or outside the game, I have witnessed this more in card games, snooker or billiard games.

However, such kind of betting here may need escrow.

Right, with the amount of newcomers on the daily in here, I don't think that people will be comfortable in dealing with relatively unknown people to them even though they are regulars to a board or to a certain topic. Escrows would be needed in such side bets as we call it, and this is to ensure the smoothness of the transactions as well.

[darkangel11]

I've seen bets like that happen either in the form of price predictions with rewards, or bets where people had different ideas about certain coins and their path in the following months.
There's really nothing special about making the same bets regarding football on bitcointalk. Just start threads where people can join in and write their predictions, just remember that low level accounts have nothing to lose, so you'd either require these people to pay up front, or simply make a rule that only accounts of certain level with neutral or green trust are allowed.

[sokani]

What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

I don't think such bet breaks any rule, it's just a bet, it's fun and it unites the forum members together. You probably might not know it but such friendly has been in existence on the forum. I recently came across a neutral tag on a legendary member profile, he has entered a wager with a fellow forum member of who's going to win the English premier league, they've both tagged themselves and the conditions of the bet is well defined on the neutral tag. That was my first time of seeing such on the forum and I think it's really nice.

[GxSTxV]

Really! It's just that you mention that you are a regular on the betting board, therefore you should know that an alternative to what you want is a Pool, they are fun and you place a only buyin and you can have fun for months, I have been to some not all but let's say that there you can share your skills with other players.
On the other hand, if you want, I will accept any bets you want to offer me without exceeding 1 mbtc, in soccer, I would like the one about who wins the Ballon d'Or, without escrow, or if you wish we can look for one.
Open a thread in the games and rounds section, and you are the referee, it is probably not that complicated but it will entail time and many responsibilities.
There is also currently the BSFL, you can include yourself there. It's a lot of spoiler for the pools but it's really what it is, right?.

It's the first time I have noticed the pool style of betting I may seen it before but didn’t really go through it in details. and honestly it seems like a lot of fun for a one buy entry especially for someone who follows a specific league or champion on a daily basis. Are there any pools for the UEFA Champions League for this season or the previous one? I'd like to see the profit and how they are organized and managed. If there isn't one already, we could start one what do you think?

I can't find any interesting events or games coming up in these next few days but if we both got into a debate I will surely challenge you in a bet. The Ballon d'Or Award results will be announced on October 30th which feels quite far away and maybe things will change. However I would be willing to bet 1 mbtc on Messi winning it unless you share the same opinion as me.

[wheelz1200]

It's definately already happening here.  As the years go on and you meet some decent people on here there's more of a chance of that happening.  The hard part with crypto is its based on trust, trust that someone will pay or trust that someone won't steal.  If bigger bets were to take place I'd recommend an escrow from here just to keep it clean.

[Aikidoka]

This is actually a good idea to bet against each other in the forum, but probably some of them won't keep their word when they lose to be honest. It'll work well when you select gamblers here who are able to do that and keep their promises.

It could be a fun game IMO and I would like to participate in that as I really have a good knowledge of football. However, at the same time I wonder how many people would like to participate in that and what rules should be set and so on.

[348Judah]

What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

Your idea is good and nothing bad in it breaking the forum's rules and regulations, what we just need to clarify ourselves from is in the understanding that bitcointalk is not going to be responsible for any loss or challenge you may encounter during the cause because they are not responsible for that, the main objective of this forum is for bitcoin discussion, other opportunities coming in are for our own advantage or risk.

[Ulven]

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However, this thing is easier if it's done in real life with people who live with you or around and people that you trust so that you guys can do it more efficiently and face no problems. You also won't need to pay anyone to be the escrow since you guys can collect the cash and keep it in front of you while watching the game and then the winner should take it.

In real life, I enjoy placing side bets with opponents, and it's quite amusing when you win against them and start teasing them when they can't cover their bar bills, hahaha! The same principle applies to you when you find yourself in a similar situation! 

[Lanatsa]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

Of course it is usually fun to wager off the real casino betting. In my local parlance, that kind of betting is called "side" which means outside the usual casino betting through your account on the website. I think that could be better understood as off the table betting, like in table games where two people are playing, those who are watching can bet on each other or wager against each while the two individual gamblers have there own separate bet.

Yes that can be called P2P betting and some gamblers specialize on this kind called outside or outside the game, I have witnessed this more in card games, snooker or billiard games.

However, such kind of betting here may need escrow.

Right, with the amount of newcomers on the daily in here, I don't think that people will be comfortable in dealing with relatively unknown people to them even though they are regulars to a board or to a certain topic. Escrows would be needed in such side bets as we call it, and this is to ensure the smoothness of the transactions as well.

And that finds really hassle plus you would really be able to spend up some escrow fees on which it is really just that normal that you would really be ignoring this kind of pool betting or having those friendly bets in

with some members on this forum which its true that you wont really be that having that confidence because you would basically be able to trust someone if we do speak about having bets on a particular match
up on which you could really be able to basically bet on a platform which you could place out your bets but if we do speak about physical bets with other people or friends which we could really be able to face or having that physical type of engagement then it is really something that different. The thrill and the essence of excitement would really be there especially if you do this with your friend or known
people on which you do know that you could really asked out if ever they do lost up the bet unlike online which anyone could just simply reject/ignore you on getting paid when you won a bet,
not all but this would really be the main thing that you do have in mind.

[Sandra_hakeem]

Yeahhhh, this is actually a Normal thing between folks yunno... sometimes, you really wanna prove the fact that one person is usually bluffing over his statements all the time, and that you're always right about it; most especially to some of your peeps that enjoys arguing incessantly... I remember the good old days my older cousins would just have to gamble, topple Thier adversaries, get 'em cash and shop lollipops, chewing gums, biscuits, Burgers etc...for everyone ( including the original owners of the money) lol....it was that interesting though.
P/s; encountered moments where the owner would feel like getting rebellious, but that ain't happening... This people are way more stronger and dominant...lol

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[famososMuertos]

Really! It's just that you mention that you are a regular on the betting board, therefore you should know that an alternative to what you want is a Pool, they are fun and you place a only buyin and you can have fun for months, I have been to some not all but let's say that there you can share your skills with other players.
On the other hand, if you want, I will accept any bets you want to offer me without exceeding 1 mbtc, in soccer, I would like the one about who wins the Ballon d'Or, without escrow, or if you wish we can look for one.
Open a thread in the games and rounds section, and you are the referee, it is probably not that complicated but it will entail time and many responsibilities.
There is also currently the BSFL, you can include yourself there. It's a lot of spoiler for the pools but it's really what it is, right?.

It's the first time I have noticed the pool style of betting I may seen it before but didn’t really go through it in details. and honestly it seems like a lot of fun for a one buy entry especially for someone who follows a specific league or champion on a daily basis. Are there any pools for the UEFA Champions League for this season or the previous one? I'd like to see the profit and how they are organized and managed. If there isn't one already, we could start one what do you think?

I can't find any interesting events or games coming up in these next few days but if we both got into a debate I will surely challenge you in a bet. The Ballon d'Or Award results will be announced on October 30th which feels quite far away and maybe things will change. However I would be willing to bet 1 mbtc on Messi winning it unless you share the same opinion as me.

Well, what a sure bet it is MEssi we agree there, but I like the enthusiasm of proposing and giving continuity to the matter of not refusing the proposal, which, as you mention, remains open.

On the other hand, the main leagues (Pool) have all started, but the UCL remains, it is being organized, you can go through the thread and leave your concerns:

Hey everyone! Thank you to all who've paid. Just busy finalising sponsor, and tweaking the odds-based event form with the expert hand of joker_josue. I'll try and give a quick response to some qs:

@notblox 1 deadline, preferably, is 18 September, a week from now. However, I've already been asked if late payment is possible, and I'm going to say yes, on case by case. We don't want a situation where people "test" their performance and decide not to pay when they don't do well. Generally, if you've got an account in good standing, I'll accept late payment. Let's say no later than 2 October (Matchday 2). Anyone who commits but doesn't pay will take a hit to their reputation. =D

@slaman 29 Last season we had 34 participants. ATM, we have 25 confirmed participants and 2 tentative. Feel free to spread the word!

@1 miau For now, it doesn't look like we'll get yellow cap bonuses, but there will be other promotions, hopefully. Will be sure to update the details of that.

In that quote above you can see that perhaps some of your concerns have been answered, the person responsible for that pool is @buwaytress


This is a thread that I made at the time for the 2022-2023 season, it is not updated (it should be) for the 2023-2024.
(list)Events Summary: betting site Offers, 2022-2023.

[buwaytress]

Thanks for the mention!

@GxSTxV UCL pool is still open for a week, so go ahead and register your interest! It's pretty easy to learn, we have newcomers every season, and I think regular gamblers should slide right in. Even if you have questions, plenty of experienced players to help out =)

You should explore the forum more. And the quality ones (which, after a while, you'll easily tell).

[Yatsan]

We call this on my area as peer or mutual betting/gambling wherein you'd bet against your friend's guess. As far as I know this would work only if your opponent bettor would be trustworthy enough to pay when he/she looses. This would be hard to imply with virtual platform but  we just don't have that much of 'power' to force them to pay whether they like it or not as a consequence of their losing bet. If you would be able to find a good midman, then that would be better.

Yeahhhh, this is actually a Normal thing between folks yunno... sometimes, you really wanna prove the fact that one person is usually bluffing over his statements all the time, and that you're always right about it; most especially to some of your peeps that enjoys arguing incessantly... I remember the good old days my older cousins would just have to gamble, topple Thier adversaries, get 'em cash and shop lollipops, chewing gums, biscuits, Burgers etc...for everyone ( including the original owners of the money) lol....it was that interesting though.
P/s; encountered moments where the owner would feel like getting rebellious, but that ain't happening... This people are way more stronger and dominant...lol

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

Indeed, midman could also become a problem so better choose the best ones you can trust. Even if he/she is the platform owner, we cannot disregard the negative chance of being ran off with your money.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Yeahhhh, this is actually a Normal thing between folks yunno... sometimes, you really wanna prove the fact that one person is usually bluffing over his statements all the time, and that you're always right about it; most especially to some of your peeps that enjoys arguing incessantly... I remember the good old days my older cousins would just have to gamble, topple Thier adversaries, get 'em cash and shop lollipops, chewing gums, biscuits, Burgers etc...for everyone ( including the original owners of the money) lol....it was that interesting though.
P/s; encountered moments where the owner would feel like getting rebellious, but that ain't happening... This people are way more stronger and dominant...lol

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

Oh , you just reminded me of those good old days, how time indeed flies and it's kinda painful when I realize that I can no longer engage in such fun activities no more simply because boys yesterday have become men today and are completely overwhelmed with responsibilities, which does not allow us time to still engage in such fun activities.

I could remember when me and my kid brother used to play such bets over our plate of food, that is when ever he's got something he believed really strong in, and I don't believe in the same thing, instead of prolonged arguments, we just bet our next plates of food, if I win,  during our lunch or dinner time, I will have to take his plate of food along side mine, and he will have to beg and cry before I will give it to him back, and when he wins, he will do same to me, though I never cried since I was the big brother..

It was always fun, possibility of having such playground on Bitcointalk is sure positive, but the challenge is on how to find willing participants to bet with, without participants, the whole show will be so boring and may even discourage those who have showed interest before.

[Casdinyard]

Some gambling sites here made their own friendly wager threads to I guess advertise their sites as well and all that. I don't think it's inherently bad to do so but some people in here have made wagers with other forum members in the past and failed to pay up when they lost, so the act is not necessarily well-accepted in the forum as it was in the past. In any case, you might wanna take a look at Stake's pages and threads, as well as other casinos like Rollbit for threads like these, you can't just come up to someone from the forum with a message asking them to make a wager with you after all. So you gotta do it the established way and look for other people who are already searching for someone to make a wager with.

[Cryptomultiplier]

This may not be too different from the various pools that we use to have here in the forum,  but your idea seems to be a bit different I don't know how other members may see this but for me I may have to point out a few things that you need to address which is not included in your writing.

1: how are members going to stake on those predictions,  are we going to have a dedicated address where the the fees to take part in the prediction going to be send to and payment going out to the winner from same address in form of escrow wallet for this game.

You Can take a look at this thread,  may be you can have a better understanding of what I am saying in terms of organization of the game as you said.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5408229.0

What you may be calling for is better organized concepts. Else, the idea seem good until it got to the part where it sounds friendly but money is involved.
One thing I have known about people who gamble is that they may not be gambling with a clear eye or should I say sober mind, and this makes it difficult for people to keep their word having become clear in thoughts a few minutes later.

[Wiwo]

What you may be calling for is better organized concepts. Else, the idea seem good until it got to the part where it sounds friendly but money is involved.
One thing I have known about people who gamble is that they may not be gambling with a clear eye or should I say sober mind, and this makes it difficult for people to keep their word having become clear in thoughts a few minutes later.

The big question I meant to ask if the discussion persist further os that,  do we really have to call it friendly if money is involved,  because far as it may sound as long as individuals are going to be staking on this games you have to put everything friendly aside and make every adequate arrangements for a successful and peaceful time out.

Off course the idea is a great idea and I by into it,  and for the fact that some other few forum members buy into the idea I see it as a welcome development but let's see how up will go about it.

[Hispo]

This may not be too different from the various pools that we use to have here in the forum,  but your idea seems to be a bit different I don't know how other members may see this but for me I may have to point out a few things that you need to address which is not included in your writing.

1: how are members going to stake on those predictions,  are we going to have a dedicated address where the the fees to take part in the prediction going to be send to and payment going out to the winner from same address in form of escrow wallet for this game.

You Can take a look at this thread,  may be you can have a better understanding of what I am saying in terms of organization of the game as you said.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5408229.0

What you may be calling for is better organized concepts. Else, the idea seem good until it got to the part where it sounds friendly but money is involved.
One thing I have known about people who gamble is that they may not be gambling with a clear eye or should I say sober mind, and this makes it difficult for people to keep their word having become clear in thoughts a few minutes later.

The friendly part starts after certain members have already established a good reputation and always pay their debts on betting here, also the friendly part has to do with the fact that since those bets are supposed to be relatively small to what someone would bet in a casino, then people would not do it much for money (initially) but rather as a way to socialize with fellow glambers around here.

The whole point is to have a difference experience from betting on a casino, by your counter part having a name and a reputation, somewhat is trying to bring irl elements of betting into the forum. As said, some users will only do it for the money, which in that case (since they are not in for the social experience) is better for them to stay on online casinos.

[GxSTxV]

Well, what a sure bet it is MEssi we agree there, but I like the enthusiasm of proposing and giving continuity to the matter of not refusing the proposal, which, as you mention, remains open.

It's the beginning of the season for most leagues and championships and I'm sure we can find something to bet on in a friendly wager. You can mention me if there's someone you know or if you're willing to bet on an event we might have a deal. Beside that I should thank you for letting me know about the pool thing I don’t know how I didn’t notice it all this time before

It's so unfortunate that I'm currently running too low on funds these days and have no much to bet, or I would have loved to join your pool for the first time. But surely I'll be following the results and observing your thread to learn and also spot the skilled gamblers who know how to bet, so I can avoid challenging them in friendly wagering lol.

@GxSTxV UCL pool is still open for a week, so go ahead and register your interest! It's pretty easy to learn, we have newcomers every season, and I think regular gamblers should slide right in. Even if you have questions, plenty of experienced players to help out =)
You should explore the forum more. And the quality ones (which, after a while, you'll easily tell).

[CLS63]

The thing you indicated in the subject is actually a thing that has been on the forum for a long time. Generally the members joining pools are making "side bets" between themselves. We have made side bets with many members this season. We didn't feel the need of using escrow as we trusted each other. I even created a spreadsheet to be able to follow these. For the ones who would like to take a look at:

spreadsheet

[tiCeR]

The thing you indicated in the subject is actually a thing that has been on the forum for a long time. Generally the members joining pools are making "side bets" between themselves. We have made side bets with many members this season. We didn't feel the need of using escrow as we trusted each other. I even created a spreadsheet to be able to follow these. For the ones who would like to take a look at:

spreadsheet

I guess side bets is quite some fun and even though I saw people making their own bets here from time to time, I've never seen a dedicated thread for it.

I really didn't want to go off-topic here, but OP's opinion about Messi winning the next Ballon d'Or got me thinking about it. At first I wanted to say that that isn't possible. But Wikipedia says this:

"Note: Until 2021, the Ballon d'Or was awarded based on player performance during the calendar year. Since 2022, jurors have been instructed to take into account the previous season.[20]"

I guess this could give Messi the edge over Haaland as that title with Argentina may count more for some of the voters. But it is also unfair because that would mean Haaland can never have that title and will always be competing with someone who wins the World Cup or another big tournament every four years.

[Sandra_hakeem]

I could remember when me and my kid brother used to play such bets over our plate of food, that is when ever he's got something he believed really strong in, and I don't believe in the same thing, instead of prolonged arguments, we just bet our next plates of food...[...]

Can I say, it's actually the bottom ingredient in the African culture?? Or can I also say that childhood is really revealing?? Cus this virtually happens as a common idea - does anyone walk around countries to pass the same ORIENTATION to 'em kids??? No... So how come?? Surprising atimes..
Well, I seem not to see the reality of the past in the present today...

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[mirakal]

The thing you indicated in the subject is actually a thing that has been on the forum for a long time. Generally the members joining pools are making "side bets" between themselves. We have made side bets with many members this season. We didn't feel the need of using escrow as we trusted each other. I even created a spreadsheet to be able to follow these. For the ones who would like to take a look at:

spreadsheet

Luckily, trust has been established already that’s why it’s easy to wager with its individual bets and pay after once lose. However, for those who are still new and want to do wagering in bitcointalk, then don’t be too trusting at first. Know your peer well and maybe establish a bond first before you decide to wager with each other. And do not jump into huge bets, who knows your wagering partner can be transparent at first but later on show his true colors and won’t be replying on you anymore. So wager with caution, and as much as possible, do it with your close colleague in bitcointalk.

[goinmerry]

Luckily, trust has been established already that’s why it’s easy to wager with its individual bets and pay after once lose. However, for those who are still new and want to do wagering in bitcointalk, then don’t be too trusting at first. Know your peer well and maybe establish a bond first before you decide to wager with each other. And do not jump into huge bets, who knows your wagering partner can be transparent at first but later on show his true colors and won’t be replying on you anymore. So wager with caution, and as much as possible, do it with your close colleague in bitcointalk.

It's still possible for users that are; new, not active users, or users that fall on the criteria of not being trusted (no offense) to join a friendly wager.

These users should instead comply with the safest measure that can apply whenever they want to do a friendly wager and that is, thru escrow of their bet money to either their opponent (as long as trustworthy) or pick an escrow from regular users on that thread.

These types of users should not be limited to joining just because they are not known. As long as their bet money was escrowed, they are all welcome.

[CLS63]

The thing you indicated in the subject is actually a thing that has been on the forum for a long time. Generally the members joining pools are making "side bets" between themselves. We have made side bets with many members this season. We didn't feel the need of using escrow as we trusted each other. I even created a spreadsheet to be able to follow these. For the ones who would like to take a look at:

spreadsheet

I guess side bets is quite some fun and even though I saw people making their own bets here from time to time, I've never seen a dedicated thread for it.

Actually after creating the spreadsheet Harkorede recommended me to open a new topic for "side bets". I also found it reasonable however I forgot to open the topic. I'm going to open a topic related to side bets tonight. I will make an announcement here as well after opening the topic. I hope that the topic would be beneficial for everyone.

Luckily, trust has been established already that’s why it’s easy to wager with its individual bets and pay after once lose. However, for those who are still new and want to do wagering in bitcointalk, then don’t be too trusting at first. Know your peer well and maybe establish a bond first before you decide to wager with each other. And do not jump into huge bets, who knows your wagering partner can be transparent at first but later on show his true colors and won’t be replying on you anymore. So wager with caution, and as much as possible, do it with your close colleague in bitcointalk.

Using escrow is the best for this kind of situations

[piebeyb]

I think you got the answer too in the end there is no prohibition on that, I also often bet with some friends on bitcointalk, so there is no problem with that and it doesn't violate the forum rules either, but it's actually better to bet on sports betting sites because it's easier to access and get winnings faster, sometimes when you bet with a friend you often don't get paid or you end up in debt to me.

Yes, however, it all depends on the needs and choices of each gambler, to be honest, because I don't have too many friends on Bitcointalk, it certainly makes it easier for me to place sports bets on the site compared to betting through friends here. Occasionally I have won bets because I bet on Manchester City getting the treble winner. , but unfortunately my friend's debt to me has not yet been paid and I have forgotten about it. lol 

[Harkorede]

The thing you indicated in the subject is actually a thing that has been on the forum for a long time. Generally the members joining pools are making "side bets" between themselves. We have made side bets with many members this season. We didn't feel the need of using escrow as we trusted each other. I even created a spreadsheet to be able to follow these. For the ones who would like to take a look at:

spreadsheet

I guess side bets is quite some fun and even though I saw people making their own bets here from time to time, I've never seen a dedicated thread for it.

Actually after creating the spreadsheet Harkorede recommended me to open a new topic for "side bets". I also found it reasonable however I forgot to open the topic. I'm going to open a topic related to side bets tonight. I will make an announcement here as well after opening the topic. I hope that the topic would be beneficial for everyone.

Luckily, trust has been established already that’s why it’s easy to wager with its individual bets and pay after once lose. However, for those who are still new and want to do wagering in bitcointalk, then don’t be too trusting at first. Know your peer well and maybe establish a bond first before you decide to wager with each other. And do not jump into huge bets, who knows your wagering partner can be transparent at first but later on show his true colors and won’t be replying on you anymore. So wager with caution, and as much as possible, do it with your close colleague in bitcointalk.

Using escrow is the best for this kind of situations

I guess it about time to have the thread after all, I'm sure it's going to another be another big thread over time, and for those suggesting escrow that's not bad thing, having an escrow over an eight months side bet of 2mBTC seem rather not worth it if you ask me, if you just don't trust someone there's no point of side bets, and side bets are just often to spice up the competition level generally amongst the Gambling Discussion, I'm sure they some of them would take 100 mBTC - 1 BTC, and would still trust each well enough to not need an escrow, I remember an infamous 0.1 BTC bet between two top members of this forum over the last United States Presidential election.

[darewaller]

I think it's happening every now and then that members here are betting against each other for a particular outcome of a match. It doesn't break any rules, even if the members decide not to pay each other up. You can use escrow to hold the bets until the game is done to help settle the win/lose so there's that. Anyway going back, this can be done, it's just that there isn't a lot of trusting going on these days between the members that aren't as established compared to the old heads here.

A couple of members already gave a link about those threads. If we are still in doubt and we think it is against the forum rules, we can just send a pm to the members here about this same matter. Not paying each other seems not right and maybe this is where we can violate the rules, not unless if both party agrees that it was only a friendly match or there is no real money involved. If it's a real deal, indeed that using an escrow ensures security that the money can always be settled.

There are lots of trusted escrows that we can use in the forum. We only need to pay them. If we don't want these kind of hassles, it's better to just bet on a true betting platform. A lot of them are still trusted but we may only need to do a KYC.

[CLS63]

I guess it about time to have the thread after all, I'm sure it's going to another be another big thread over time, and for those suggesting escrow that's not bad thing, having an escrow over an eight months side bet of 2mBTC seem rather not worth it if you ask me, if you just don't trust someone there's no point of side bets, and side bets are just often to spice up the competition level generally amongst the Gambling Discussion, I'm sure they some of them would take 100 mBTC - 1 BTC, and would still trust each well enough to not need an escrow, I remember an infamous 0.1 BTC bet between two top members of this forum over the last United States Presidential election.

Even though there is some delay I have created the topic as I promised. I hope that it becomes a topic that everyone can benefit from.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5466920.new#new

By the way I have missed the side bet for the USA presidency. Is there any chance for you to share a link when you are available? This topic has really attracted my attention.

[Harkorede]

I guess it about time to have the thread after all, I'm sure it's going to another be another big thread over time, and for those suggesting escrow that's not bad thing, having an escrow over an eight months side bet of 2mBTC seem rather not worth it if you ask me, if you just don't trust someone there's no point of side bets, and side bets are just often to spice up the competition level generally amongst the Gambling Discussion, I'm sure they some of them would take 100 mBTC - 1 BTC, and would still trust each well enough to not need an escrow, I remember an infamous 0.1 BTC bet between two top members of this forum over the last United States Presidential election.

Even though there is some delay I have created the topic as I promised. I hope that it becomes a topic that everyone can benefit from.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5466920.new#new

By the way I have missed the side bet for the USA presidency. Is there any chance for you to share a link when you are available? This topic has really attracted my attention.

It was a bet between suchmoon and eddie13, I happened to be following their conversations a lot on the US politics then and some of their other posts too or would I call it debate, as the case always was whenever "Cryptohunter" (I can't remember if that was the actual username) gets involved, or often just contrast opinions on a lot of situations, not just that of the two mentioned personnel per se, but there are was always a lot for me to read on here about diverse perspective to several situations/actions from them, a lot of which are mostly against some very absurd justification for apparent immoralities/abuse and/or awful ideologies. I would spend a lot of hours on here just reading through several pages of these posts, highly enlightening tbh.

Here is the link the to the thread made for the reference of the bet agreement and terms from both parties;
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208356.0

[South Park]

As a regular poster in the gambling discussion section here and also a big sports fan, I frequently engage in bets with my friends and relatives on many occasions and sport events. For example last week my cousin insists that Haaland will win the upcoming Ballon d'Or award, while I'm also confident that Messi will secure his 8th trophy easily in this edition.
From that I noticed that we don’t have any friendly wagers here in gambling section which I haven't observed before, So let me give you an example of what we can establish if you like it:
So by following several sport threads here such as LaLiga. Lets say one user posted his opinion and analysis about the next match between RMA against RSO and he thinks that RMA won’t win that match, another user reply to him and disagree with him…. From that both users can agree to do a friendly wager or a bet between each other and set a value for the bet, and after the match is over the user who lost that bet should pay up to what they both agreed on.

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

It is not as common as I think it could be but I still see it happening often enough, we have had bets on who will be the next US president, pools, fantasy leagues and other direct bets among the forum members, and as far as I know such behavior is not breaking any rules on the forum or anything like that so there is nothing wrong with it, and without a doubt gambling against fellow forum members can be quite exciting, however there is not enough action to sustain your gambling urges, unless you are fan of a bunch of sports and you decide to participate on almost any relevant thread on this section of the forum.