Friendly wagers in Bitcointalk

[Sandra_hakeem]

Yeahhhh, this is actually a Normal thing between folks yunno... sometimes, you really wanna prove the fact that one person is usually bluffing over his statements all the time, and that you're always right about it; most especially to some of your peeps that enjoys arguing incessantly... I remember the good old days my older cousins would just have to gamble, topple Thier adversaries, get 'em cash and shop lollipops, chewing gums, biscuits, Burgers etc...for everyone ( including the original owners of the money) lol....it was that interesting though.
P/s; encountered moments where the owner would feel like getting rebellious, but that ain't happening... This people are way more stronger and dominant...lol

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[famososMuertos]

Really! It's just that you mention that you are a regular on the betting board, therefore you should know that an alternative to what you want is a Pool, they are fun and you place a only buyin and you can have fun for months, I have been to some not all but let's say that there you can share your skills with other players.
On the other hand, if you want, I will accept any bets you want to offer me without exceeding 1 mbtc, in soccer, I would like the one about who wins the Ballon d'Or, without escrow, or if you wish we can look for one.
Open a thread in the games and rounds section, and you are the referee, it is probably not that complicated but it will entail time and many responsibilities.
There is also currently the BSFL, you can include yourself there. It's a lot of spoiler for the pools but it's really what it is, right?.

It's the first time I have noticed the pool style of betting I may seen it before but didn’t really go through it in details. and honestly it seems like a lot of fun for a one buy entry especially for someone who follows a specific league or champion on a daily basis. Are there any pools for the UEFA Champions League for this season or the previous one? I'd like to see the profit and how they are organized and managed. If there isn't one already, we could start one what do you think?

I can't find any interesting events or games coming up in these next few days but if we both got into a debate I will surely challenge you in a bet. The Ballon d'Or Award results will be announced on October 30th which feels quite far away and maybe things will change. However I would be willing to bet 1 mbtc on Messi winning it unless you share the same opinion as me.

Well, what a sure bet it is MEssi we agree there, but I like the enthusiasm of proposing and giving continuity to the matter of not refusing the proposal, which, as you mention, remains open.

On the other hand, the main leagues (Pool) have all started, but the UCL remains, it is being organized, you can go through the thread and leave your concerns:

Hey everyone! Thank you to all who've paid. Just busy finalising sponsor, and tweaking the odds-based event form with the expert hand of joker_josue. I'll try and give a quick response to some qs:

@notblox 1 deadline, preferably, is 18 September, a week from now. However, I've already been asked if late payment is possible, and I'm going to say yes, on case by case. We don't want a situation where people "test" their performance and decide not to pay when they don't do well. Generally, if you've got an account in good standing, I'll accept late payment. Let's say no later than 2 October (Matchday 2). Anyone who commits but doesn't pay will take a hit to their reputation. =D

@slaman 29 Last season we had 34 participants. ATM, we have 25 confirmed participants and 2 tentative. Feel free to spread the word!

@1 miau For now, it doesn't look like we'll get yellow cap bonuses, but there will be other promotions, hopefully. Will be sure to update the details of that.

In that quote above you can see that perhaps some of your concerns have been answered, the person responsible for that pool is @buwaytress


This is a thread that I made at the time for the 2022-2023 season, it is not updated (it should be) for the 2023-2024.
(list)Events Summary: betting site Offers, 2022-2023.

[buwaytress]

Thanks for the mention!

@GxSTxV UCL pool is still open for a week, so go ahead and register your interest! It's pretty easy to learn, we have newcomers every season, and I think regular gamblers should slide right in. Even if you have questions, plenty of experienced players to help out =)

You should explore the forum more. And the quality ones (which, after a while, you'll easily tell).

[Yatsan]

We call this on my area as peer or mutual betting/gambling wherein you'd bet against your friend's guess. As far as I know this would work only if your opponent bettor would be trustworthy enough to pay when he/she looses. This would be hard to imply with virtual platform but  we just don't have that much of 'power' to force them to pay whether they like it or not as a consequence of their losing bet. If you would be able to find a good midman, then that would be better.

Yeahhhh, this is actually a Normal thing between folks yunno... sometimes, you really wanna prove the fact that one person is usually bluffing over his statements all the time, and that you're always right about it; most especially to some of your peeps that enjoys arguing incessantly... I remember the good old days my older cousins would just have to gamble, topple Thier adversaries, get 'em cash and shop lollipops, chewing gums, biscuits, Burgers etc...for everyone ( including the original owners of the money) lol....it was that interesting though.
P/s; encountered moments where the owner would feel like getting rebellious, but that ain't happening... This people are way more stronger and dominant...lol

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

Indeed, midman could also become a problem so better choose the best ones you can trust. Even if he/she is the platform owner, we cannot disregard the negative chance of being ran off with your money.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Yeahhhh, this is actually a Normal thing between folks yunno... sometimes, you really wanna prove the fact that one person is usually bluffing over his statements all the time, and that you're always right about it; most especially to some of your peeps that enjoys arguing incessantly... I remember the good old days my older cousins would just have to gamble, topple Thier adversaries, get 'em cash and shop lollipops, chewing gums, biscuits, Burgers etc...for everyone ( including the original owners of the money) lol....it was that interesting though.
P/s; encountered moments where the owner would feel like getting rebellious, but that ain't happening... This people are way more stronger and dominant...lol

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

Oh , you just reminded me of those good old days, how time indeed flies and it's kinda painful when I realize that I can no longer engage in such fun activities no more simply because boys yesterday have become men today and are completely overwhelmed with responsibilities, which does not allow us time to still engage in such fun activities.

I could remember when me and my kid brother used to play such bets over our plate of food, that is when ever he's got something he believed really strong in, and I don't believe in the same thing, instead of prolonged arguments, we just bet our next plates of food, if I win,  during our lunch or dinner time, I will have to take his plate of food along side mine, and he will have to beg and cry before I will give it to him back, and when he wins, he will do same to me, though I never cried since I was the big brother..

It was always fun, possibility of having such playground on Bitcointalk is sure positive, but the challenge is on how to find willing participants to bet with, without participants, the whole show will be so boring and may even discourage those who have showed interest before.

[Casdinyard]

Some gambling sites here made their own friendly wager threads to I guess advertise their sites as well and all that. I don't think it's inherently bad to do so but some people in here have made wagers with other forum members in the past and failed to pay up when they lost, so the act is not necessarily well-accepted in the forum as it was in the past. In any case, you might wanna take a look at Stake's pages and threads, as well as other casinos like Rollbit for threads like these, you can't just come up to someone from the forum with a message asking them to make a wager with you after all. So you gotta do it the established way and look for other people who are already searching for someone to make a wager with.

[Cryptomultiplier]

This may not be too different from the various pools that we use to have here in the forum,  but your idea seems to be a bit different I don't know how other members may see this but for me I may have to point out a few things that you need to address which is not included in your writing.

1: how are members going to stake on those predictions,  are we going to have a dedicated address where the the fees to take part in the prediction going to be send to and payment going out to the winner from same address in form of escrow wallet for this game.

You Can take a look at this thread,  may be you can have a better understanding of what I am saying in terms of organization of the game as you said.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5408229.0

What you may be calling for is better organized concepts. Else, the idea seem good until it got to the part where it sounds friendly but money is involved.
One thing I have known about people who gamble is that they may not be gambling with a clear eye or should I say sober mind, and this makes it difficult for people to keep their word having become clear in thoughts a few minutes later.

[Wiwo]

What you may be calling for is better organized concepts. Else, the idea seem good until it got to the part where it sounds friendly but money is involved.
One thing I have known about people who gamble is that they may not be gambling with a clear eye or should I say sober mind, and this makes it difficult for people to keep their word having become clear in thoughts a few minutes later.

The big question I meant to ask if the discussion persist further os that,  do we really have to call it friendly if money is involved,  because far as it may sound as long as individuals are going to be staking on this games you have to put everything friendly aside and make every adequate arrangements for a successful and peaceful time out.

Off course the idea is a great idea and I by into it,  and for the fact that some other few forum members buy into the idea I see it as a welcome development but let's see how up will go about it.

[Hispo]

This may not be too different from the various pools that we use to have here in the forum,  but your idea seems to be a bit different I don't know how other members may see this but for me I may have to point out a few things that you need to address which is not included in your writing.

1: how are members going to stake on those predictions,  are we going to have a dedicated address where the the fees to take part in the prediction going to be send to and payment going out to the winner from same address in form of escrow wallet for this game.

You Can take a look at this thread,  may be you can have a better understanding of what I am saying in terms of organization of the game as you said.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5408229.0

What you may be calling for is better organized concepts. Else, the idea seem good until it got to the part where it sounds friendly but money is involved.
One thing I have known about people who gamble is that they may not be gambling with a clear eye or should I say sober mind, and this makes it difficult for people to keep their word having become clear in thoughts a few minutes later.

The friendly part starts after certain members have already established a good reputation and always pay their debts on betting here, also the friendly part has to do with the fact that since those bets are supposed to be relatively small to what someone would bet in a casino, then people would not do it much for money (initially) but rather as a way to socialize with fellow glambers around here.

The whole point is to have a difference experience from betting on a casino, by your counter part having a name and a reputation, somewhat is trying to bring irl elements of betting into the forum. As said, some users will only do it for the money, which in that case (since they are not in for the social experience) is better for them to stay on online casinos.

[GxSTxV]

Well, what a sure bet it is MEssi we agree there, but I like the enthusiasm of proposing and giving continuity to the matter of not refusing the proposal, which, as you mention, remains open.

It's the beginning of the season for most leagues and championships and I'm sure we can find something to bet on in a friendly wager. You can mention me if there's someone you know or if you're willing to bet on an event we might have a deal. Beside that I should thank you for letting me know about the pool thing I don’t know how I didn’t notice it all this time before

It's so unfortunate that I'm currently running too low on funds these days and have no much to bet, or I would have loved to join your pool for the first time. But surely I'll be following the results and observing your thread to learn and also spot the skilled gamblers who know how to bet, so I can avoid challenging them in friendly wagering lol.

@GxSTxV UCL pool is still open for a week, so go ahead and register your interest! It's pretty easy to learn, we have newcomers every season, and I think regular gamblers should slide right in. Even if you have questions, plenty of experienced players to help out =)
You should explore the forum more. And the quality ones (which, after a while, you'll easily tell).

[CLS63]

The thing you indicated in the subject is actually a thing that has been on the forum for a long time. Generally the members joining pools are making "side bets" between themselves. We have made side bets with many members this season. We didn't feel the need of using escrow as we trusted each other. I even created a spreadsheet to be able to follow these. For the ones who would like to take a look at:

spreadsheet

[tiCeR]

The thing you indicated in the subject is actually a thing that has been on the forum for a long time. Generally the members joining pools are making "side bets" between themselves. We have made side bets with many members this season. We didn't feel the need of using escrow as we trusted each other. I even created a spreadsheet to be able to follow these. For the ones who would like to take a look at:

spreadsheet

I guess side bets is quite some fun and even though I saw people making their own bets here from time to time, I've never seen a dedicated thread for it.

I really didn't want to go off-topic here, but OP's opinion about Messi winning the next Ballon d'Or got me thinking about it. At first I wanted to say that that isn't possible. But Wikipedia says this:

"Note: Until 2021, the Ballon d'Or was awarded based on player performance during the calendar year. Since 2022, jurors have been instructed to take into account the previous season.[20]"

I guess this could give Messi the edge over Haaland as that title with Argentina may count more for some of the voters. But it is also unfair because that would mean Haaland can never have that title and will always be competing with someone who wins the World Cup or another big tournament every four years.

[Sandra_hakeem]

I could remember when me and my kid brother used to play such bets over our plate of food, that is when ever he's got something he believed really strong in, and I don't believe in the same thing, instead of prolonged arguments, we just bet our next plates of food...[...]

Can I say, it's actually the bottom ingredient in the African culture?? Or can I also say that childhood is really revealing?? Cus this virtually happens as a common idea - does anyone walk around countries to pass the same ORIENTATION to 'em kids??? No... So how come?? Surprising atimes..
Well, I seem not to see the reality of the past in the present today...

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[mirakal]

The thing you indicated in the subject is actually a thing that has been on the forum for a long time. Generally the members joining pools are making "side bets" between themselves. We have made side bets with many members this season. We didn't feel the need of using escrow as we trusted each other. I even created a spreadsheet to be able to follow these. For the ones who would like to take a look at:

spreadsheet

Luckily, trust has been established already that’s why it’s easy to wager with its individual bets and pay after once lose. However, for those who are still new and want to do wagering in bitcointalk, then don’t be too trusting at first. Know your peer well and maybe establish a bond first before you decide to wager with each other. And do not jump into huge bets, who knows your wagering partner can be transparent at first but later on show his true colors and won’t be replying on you anymore. So wager with caution, and as much as possible, do it with your close colleague in bitcointalk.

[goinmerry]

Luckily, trust has been established already that’s why it’s easy to wager with its individual bets and pay after once lose. However, for those who are still new and want to do wagering in bitcointalk, then don’t be too trusting at first. Know your peer well and maybe establish a bond first before you decide to wager with each other. And do not jump into huge bets, who knows your wagering partner can be transparent at first but later on show his true colors and won’t be replying on you anymore. So wager with caution, and as much as possible, do it with your close colleague in bitcointalk.

It's still possible for users that are; new, not active users, or users that fall on the criteria of not being trusted (no offense) to join a friendly wager.

These users should instead comply with the safest measure that can apply whenever they want to do a friendly wager and that is, thru escrow of their bet money to either their opponent (as long as trustworthy) or pick an escrow from regular users on that thread.

These types of users should not be limited to joining just because they are not known. As long as their bet money was escrowed, they are all welcome.

[CLS63]

The thing you indicated in the subject is actually a thing that has been on the forum for a long time. Generally the members joining pools are making "side bets" between themselves. We have made side bets with many members this season. We didn't feel the need of using escrow as we trusted each other. I even created a spreadsheet to be able to follow these. For the ones who would like to take a look at:

spreadsheet

I guess side bets is quite some fun and even though I saw people making their own bets here from time to time, I've never seen a dedicated thread for it.

Actually after creating the spreadsheet Harkorede recommended me to open a new topic for "side bets". I also found it reasonable however I forgot to open the topic. I'm going to open a topic related to side bets tonight. I will make an announcement here as well after opening the topic. I hope that the topic would be beneficial for everyone.

Luckily, trust has been established already that’s why it’s easy to wager with its individual bets and pay after once lose. However, for those who are still new and want to do wagering in bitcointalk, then don’t be too trusting at first. Know your peer well and maybe establish a bond first before you decide to wager with each other. And do not jump into huge bets, who knows your wagering partner can be transparent at first but later on show his true colors and won’t be replying on you anymore. So wager with caution, and as much as possible, do it with your close colleague in bitcointalk.

Using escrow is the best for this kind of situations

[piebeyb]

I think you got the answer too in the end there is no prohibition on that, I also often bet with some friends on bitcointalk, so there is no problem with that and it doesn't violate the forum rules either, but it's actually better to bet on sports betting sites because it's easier to access and get winnings faster, sometimes when you bet with a friend you often don't get paid or you end up in debt to me.

Yes, however, it all depends on the needs and choices of each gambler, to be honest, because I don't have too many friends on Bitcointalk, it certainly makes it easier for me to place sports bets on the site compared to betting through friends here. Occasionally I have won bets because I bet on Manchester City getting the treble winner. , but unfortunately my friend's debt to me has not yet been paid and I have forgotten about it. lol 

[Harkorede]

The thing you indicated in the subject is actually a thing that has been on the forum for a long time. Generally the members joining pools are making "side bets" between themselves. We have made side bets with many members this season. We didn't feel the need of using escrow as we trusted each other. I even created a spreadsheet to be able to follow these. For the ones who would like to take a look at:

spreadsheet

I guess side bets is quite some fun and even though I saw people making their own bets here from time to time, I've never seen a dedicated thread for it.

Actually after creating the spreadsheet Harkorede recommended me to open a new topic for "side bets". I also found it reasonable however I forgot to open the topic. I'm going to open a topic related to side bets tonight. I will make an announcement here as well after opening the topic. I hope that the topic would be beneficial for everyone.

Luckily, trust has been established already that’s why it’s easy to wager with its individual bets and pay after once lose. However, for those who are still new and want to do wagering in bitcointalk, then don’t be too trusting at first. Know your peer well and maybe establish a bond first before you decide to wager with each other. And do not jump into huge bets, who knows your wagering partner can be transparent at first but later on show his true colors and won’t be replying on you anymore. So wager with caution, and as much as possible, do it with your close colleague in bitcointalk.

Using escrow is the best for this kind of situations

I guess it about time to have the thread after all, I'm sure it's going to another be another big thread over time, and for those suggesting escrow that's not bad thing, having an escrow over an eight months side bet of 2mBTC seem rather not worth it if you ask me, if you just don't trust someone there's no point of side bets, and side bets are just often to spice up the competition level generally amongst the Gambling Discussion, I'm sure they some of them would take 100 mBTC - 1 BTC, and would still trust each well enough to not need an escrow, I remember an infamous 0.1 BTC bet between two top members of this forum over the last United States Presidential election.

[darewaller]

I think it's happening every now and then that members here are betting against each other for a particular outcome of a match. It doesn't break any rules, even if the members decide not to pay each other up. You can use escrow to hold the bets until the game is done to help settle the win/lose so there's that. Anyway going back, this can be done, it's just that there isn't a lot of trusting going on these days between the members that aren't as established compared to the old heads here.

A couple of members already gave a link about those threads. If we are still in doubt and we think it is against the forum rules, we can just send a pm to the members here about this same matter. Not paying each other seems not right and maybe this is where we can violate the rules, not unless if both party agrees that it was only a friendly match or there is no real money involved. If it's a real deal, indeed that using an escrow ensures security that the money can always be settled.

There are lots of trusted escrows that we can use in the forum. We only need to pay them. If we don't want these kind of hassles, it's better to just bet on a true betting platform. A lot of them are still trusted but we may only need to do a KYC.

[CLS63]

I guess it about time to have the thread after all, I'm sure it's going to another be another big thread over time, and for those suggesting escrow that's not bad thing, having an escrow over an eight months side bet of 2mBTC seem rather not worth it if you ask me, if you just don't trust someone there's no point of side bets, and side bets are just often to spice up the competition level generally amongst the Gambling Discussion, I'm sure they some of them would take 100 mBTC - 1 BTC, and would still trust each well enough to not need an escrow, I remember an infamous 0.1 BTC bet between two top members of this forum over the last United States Presidential election.

Even though there is some delay I have created the topic as I promised. I hope that it becomes a topic that everyone can benefit from.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5466920.new#new

By the way I have missed the side bet for the USA presidency. Is there any chance for you to share a link when you are available? This topic has really attracted my attention.