Friendly wagers in Bitcointalk

[komisariatku]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

That's a really good idea guys.

I think it's fine and doesn't violate any forum rules to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong). However, in my opinion there needs to be an escrow that holds the betting money unless you both have bet before or maybe the member has a good reputation.

If I'm not mistaken, I've seen @icopress betting with @Hhampuz, @Trofo, and others (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5406159.msg62687563#msg62687563). Apart from that, betting with a model like this will make socialization between members even better. I don't find any bad impacts from this idea, it's just that it is prone to fraud/failure to pay.

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[aioc]

…. From that both users can agree to do a friendly wager or a bet between each other and set a value for the bet, and after the match is over the user who lost that bet should pay up to what they both agreed on.

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

I think that would be fun I'm sure people here will honor their bets as long as the amount is not that huge, I still recommend a casino if it's a huge amount like over $1000, a $100 bet or lower is recommended for a friendly wager here, there's no need for an escrow if it's a friendly wager it encourages camaraderie between active posters here in the gambling board.

[swogerino]

…. From that both users can agree to do a friendly wager or a bet between each other and set a value for the bet, and after the match is over the user who lost that bet should pay up to what they both agreed on.

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

I think that would be fun I'm sure people here will honor their bets as long as the amount is not that huge, I still recommend a casino if it's a huge amount like over $1000, a $100 bet or lower is recommended for a friendly wager here, there's no need for an escrow if it's a friendly wager it encourages camaraderie between active posters here in the gambling board.

I don't think that would bring anything new or good that we cannot find in any casino.I mean of course it can bring a bit more fun and a bit more "show off" from the winners here as they will most probably brag about how good they are but there are also additional risks here like people not paying what they agreed to pay before the bet.There have always been points of disagreement between people so it is better to bet in a platform where you know they will pay you out the winning amounts,like a reputable sport book.

[slapper]

Betting on sports results has always been fun, and combining it with forum talks adds an interactive layer, but there are a few things that could go wrong. What if disagreements come up? Not every user might show the same sportsmanship as you or your buddy. On the bright side, though, small bets could lead to friendly competition and deeper conversations. From a legal point of view, though, it could be a murky area. In casinos, there are clear ways to handle arguments. Online forums, on the other hand, might not be set up to handle such problems. I like how different it is, but I can't ignore how hard it is

[AbuBhakar]

Betting on sports results has always been fun, and combining it with forum talks adds an interactive layer, but there are a few things that could go wrong. What if disagreements come up? Not every user might show the same sportsmanship as you or your buddy.

The trust system will help you in case there’s someone who doesn’t honor bets made in public thread. That’s why you should only do this friendly wager to someone you knew or with good trust score so that you can assure that he will honor wager since he has a reputation to protect.

Also, trust page is typically being use to record all the active and past bet to a certain user so that it can easily be reminded of the bet made since it’s very hard to browse back post on a thread.

[salad daging]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

It's a good idea, and why not if there aren't any offenses on the forum? Now is this here specifically betting with BTC or can it be with other altcoins? Does it depend on the deal?

Interesting! I would like to try in the near future.
I'm curious so far because only a few people are doing this, not many of them are betting in casinos as my platform provider is doing it there and never here.

If there was a separate thread on friendly betting maybe it would be interesting again, with various other sports.
But I'm just a football lover myself.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

1: how are members going to stake on those predictions,  are we going to have a dedicated address where the the fees to take part in the prediction going to be send to and payment going out to the winner from same address in form of escrow wallet for this game.

If I understand the ops idea correctly , I think it's something that is not that complicated to understand, it's just like two people arguing on whether chelsea or Manchester united will win the match , and then decided to place a bet between themselves.

If after the game, Chelsea won, the friend that said Chelsea will win will take the entire bet, but if Manchester united won instead, the other friend who supported Manchester united will take the entire bet, but if the both team draw, then each can take his or her money back ..

It's a good idea though, but I personally do not this is feasibly, possibly because alot of activities on the forum might not allow such bet competition to last, and again, what about times when the majority of users seems to be supporting one team to win the match, it means one can't possibly find someone to bet with, which can kill the morale to continue to participate in the competition, this is just what I think though .

[Wiwo]

1: how are members going to stake on those predictions,  are we going to have a dedicated address where the the fees to take part in the prediction going to be send to and payment going out to the winner from same address in form of escrow wallet for this game.

If I understand the ops idea correctly , I think it's something that is not that complicated to understand, it's just like two people arguing on whether chelsea or Manchester united will win the match , and then decided to place a bet between themselves.

If after the game, Chelsea won, the friend that said Chelsea will win will take the entire bet, but if Manchester united won instead, the other friend who supported Manchester united will take the entire bet, but if the both team draw, then each can take his or her money back ..

It's a good idea though, but I personally do not this is feasibly, possibly because alot of activities on the forum might not allow such bet competition to last, and again, what about times when the majority of users seems to be supporting one team to win the match, it means one can't possibly find someone to bet with, which can kill the morale to continue to participate in the competition, this is just what I think though.

I understand the idea behind the game os that simple but we should not totally outride the possibility of any difficulties during the bet and from your explanation if both ops bet on each team to win,  where the game is that simple to understand because os either Manchester United win or Chelsea to win,  which will be easy to settle the bet between them both.

But in a situation where the game end in a draw how will that be settle,  or may be the bet will involve multiple members which will bring us back to the same idea as the old one holding a tournament or making a prediction pool,  this makes sense more that way.

[Hispo]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

It's a good idea, and why not if there aren't any offenses on the forum? Now is this here specifically betting with BTC or can it be with other altcoins? Does it depend on the deal?

Interesting! I would like to try in the near future.
I'm curious so far because only a few people are doing this, not many of them are betting in casinos as my platform provider is doing it there and never here.

If there was a separate thread on friendly betting maybe it would be interesting again, with various other sports.
But I'm just a football lover myself.

Keeping in mind we are mostly talking about small bets and transations in a Peer to Peer manner, then people around here would probably prefer to carry out those bets using altcoins like USDT on the Tron Network,  rather than Bitcoin, because the mempool unfortunately is yet to be empty of all those useless tokens and ordinals.

Also, something like OP is describing it won't only take a separate thread for people to bet on, but a new sub section here in the gambling one, so they can open threads for each bet, so there would be a register of each deal and whether the losing party honored their word and paid.

[topbitcoin]

Betting on sports results has always been fun, and combining it with forum talks adds an interactive layer, but there are a few things that could go wrong. What if disagreements come up? Not every user might show the same sportsmanship as you or your buddy. On the bright side, though, small bets could lead to friendly competition and deeper conversations. From a legal point of view, though, it could be a murky area. In casinos, there are clear ways to handle arguments. Online forums, on the other hand, might not be set up to handle such problems. I like how different it is, but I can't ignore how hard it is

Aren't differences of opinion a normal thing in discussions and even in real life differences always arise?
And it is true that in small bets, sometimes someone looks calmer when making these bets and betting small amounts is only based on the excitement of the gathering.
But it cannot be denied that even if we think that this bet is just for fun. but there are always those who bet seriously and continue to chase victory. and people like that tend not to want to accept defeat when betting.

[Gozie51]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

Of course it is usually fun to wager off the real casino betting. In my local parlance, that kind of betting is called "side" which means outside the usual casino betting through your account on the website. I think that could be better understood as off the table betting, like in table games where two people are playing, those who are watching can bet on each other or wager against each while the two individual gamblers have there own separate bet.

Yes that can be called P2P betting and some gamblers specialize on this kind called outside or outside the game, I have witnessed this more in card games, snooker or billiard games.

However, such kind of betting here may need escrow.

[dothebeats]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

Of course it is usually fun to wager off the real casino betting. In my local parlance, that kind of betting is called "side" which means outside the usual casino betting through your account on the website. I think that could be better understood as off the table betting, like in table games where two people are playing, those who are watching can bet on each other or wager against each while the two individual gamblers have there own separate bet.

Yes that can be called P2P betting and some gamblers specialize on this kind called outside or outside the game, I have witnessed this more in card games, snooker or billiard games.

However, such kind of betting here may need escrow.

Right, with the amount of newcomers on the daily in here, I don't think that people will be comfortable in dealing with relatively unknown people to them even though they are regulars to a board or to a certain topic. Escrows would be needed in such side bets as we call it, and this is to ensure the smoothness of the transactions as well.

[darkangel11]

I've seen bets like that happen either in the form of price predictions with rewards, or bets where people had different ideas about certain coins and their path in the following months.
There's really nothing special about making the same bets regarding football on bitcointalk. Just start threads where people can join in and write their predictions, just remember that low level accounts have nothing to lose, so you'd either require these people to pay up front, or simply make a rule that only accounts of certain level with neutral or green trust are allowed.

[sokani]

What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

I don't think such bet breaks any rule, it's just a bet, it's fun and it unites the forum members together. You probably might not know it but such friendly has been in existence on the forum. I recently came across a neutral tag on a legendary member profile, he has entered a wager with a fellow forum member of who's going to win the English premier league, they've both tagged themselves and the conditions of the bet is well defined on the neutral tag. That was my first time of seeing such on the forum and I think it's really nice.

[GxSTxV]

Really! It's just that you mention that you are a regular on the betting board, therefore you should know that an alternative to what you want is a Pool, they are fun and you place a only buyin and you can have fun for months, I have been to some not all but let's say that there you can share your skills with other players.
On the other hand, if you want, I will accept any bets you want to offer me without exceeding 1 mbtc, in soccer, I would like the one about who wins the Ballon d'Or, without escrow, or if you wish we can look for one.
Open a thread in the games and rounds section, and you are the referee, it is probably not that complicated but it will entail time and many responsibilities.
There is also currently the BSFL, you can include yourself there. It's a lot of spoiler for the pools but it's really what it is, right?.

It's the first time I have noticed the pool style of betting I may seen it before but didn’t really go through it in details. and honestly it seems like a lot of fun for a one buy entry especially for someone who follows a specific league or champion on a daily basis. Are there any pools for the UEFA Champions League for this season or the previous one? I'd like to see the profit and how they are organized and managed. If there isn't one already, we could start one what do you think?

I can't find any interesting events or games coming up in these next few days but if we both got into a debate I will surely challenge you in a bet. The Ballon d'Or Award results will be announced on October 30th which feels quite far away and maybe things will change. However I would be willing to bet 1 mbtc on Messi winning it unless you share the same opinion as me.

[wheelz1200]

It's definately already happening here.  As the years go on and you meet some decent people on here there's more of a chance of that happening.  The hard part with crypto is its based on trust, trust that someone will pay or trust that someone won't steal.  If bigger bets were to take place I'd recommend an escrow from here just to keep it clean.

[Aikidoka]

This is actually a good idea to bet against each other in the forum, but probably some of them won't keep their word when they lose to be honest. It'll work well when you select gamblers here who are able to do that and keep their promises.

It could be a fun game IMO and I would like to participate in that as I really have a good knowledge of football. However, at the same time I wonder how many people would like to participate in that and what rules should be set and so on.

[348Judah]

What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

Your idea is good and nothing bad in it breaking the forum's rules and regulations, what we just need to clarify ourselves from is in the understanding that bitcointalk is not going to be responsible for any loss or challenge you may encounter during the cause because they are not responsible for that, the main objective of this forum is for bitcoin discussion, other opportunities coming in are for our own advantage or risk.

[Ulven]

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However, this thing is easier if it's done in real life with people who live with you or around and people that you trust so that you guys can do it more efficiently and face no problems. You also won't need to pay anyone to be the escrow since you guys can collect the cash and keep it in front of you while watching the game and then the winner should take it.

In real life, I enjoy placing side bets with opponents, and it's quite amusing when you win against them and start teasing them when they can't cover their bar bills, hahaha! The same principle applies to you when you find yourself in a similar situation! 

[Lanatsa]

It should be a fun thing only with small amounts and hopefully everyone keeps his word, I know many people would say that it’s better to just bet on a casino but I think it’s more fun here and also sometimes you can agree on better returns.
What do you think about this? I hope it’s not breaking any rules here.

Of course it is usually fun to wager off the real casino betting. In my local parlance, that kind of betting is called "side" which means outside the usual casino betting through your account on the website. I think that could be better understood as off the table betting, like in table games where two people are playing, those who are watching can bet on each other or wager against each while the two individual gamblers have there own separate bet.

Yes that can be called P2P betting and some gamblers specialize on this kind called outside or outside the game, I have witnessed this more in card games, snooker or billiard games.

However, such kind of betting here may need escrow.

Right, with the amount of newcomers on the daily in here, I don't think that people will be comfortable in dealing with relatively unknown people to them even though they are regulars to a board or to a certain topic. Escrows would be needed in such side bets as we call it, and this is to ensure the smoothness of the transactions as well.

And that finds really hassle plus you would really be able to spend up some escrow fees on which it is really just that normal that you would really be ignoring this kind of pool betting or having those friendly bets in

with some members on this forum which its true that you wont really be that having that confidence because you would basically be able to trust someone if we do speak about having bets on a particular match
up on which you could really be able to basically bet on a platform which you could place out your bets but if we do speak about physical bets with other people or friends which we could really be able to face or having that physical type of engagement then it is really something that different. The thrill and the essence of excitement would really be there especially if you do this with your friend or known
people on which you do know that you could really asked out if ever they do lost up the bet unlike online which anyone could just simply reject/ignore you on getting paid when you won a bet,
not all but this would really be the main thing that you do have in mind.