LoyceV's Avatar and Signature log (campaign managers read this!)

[LoyceV]

LoyceV's Avatar and Signature log

Background
Some users try to cheat signature campaigns by switching their signature back and forth between campaigns twice a week. As part of my convenient service for campaign managers, I now keep logs of signature changes of participants. Example: LoyceBot's signature.

This topic is work in progress. I created it before my scripts are ready, because I need it for testing. Feel free to post here already.

How to find yourself
Click loyce.club/signatures/<userID>.html or edit your userID into the URL. Example: LoyceBot's signature history.

How to join

• Post in this topic to start your avatar and signature log. Updates continue after you remove your post
• Enroll into a signature campaign managed by someone who uses this service
• Campaign managers can request whitelisting to create a list here (see sample format in next post)
• Campaign managers who use my campaign service don't need to post here
• Wear any signature and be detected by me in the future, when I add you to increase my historic data

Whitelisted campaign managers

Code:

Royse777
LoyceV
Hhampuz
icopress
Little Mouse
irfan_pak10
yahoo62278

See loyce.club/signatures/0_campaign_managers/<userID>.html for your data (still incomplete). Example: Avatar and Signature log for campaign manager LoyceV.

Job hoppers
Once this is running a bit longer, campaign managers can use this to differentiate between "job hoppers" and more loyal campaign participants. Of course it's up to the campaign manager what to do with this information.

Updates
All avatars and signatures are checked at random times, on average at least once a day. I keep track of the last checked date, and show all changes. This signature for instance looks the same, but made some changes to non-braking spaces^* so it was detected.
Updates in this topic are checked every couple of hours, after which the campaign manager's data gets updated too. This is a separate process from checking the avatars and signatures.

Paid? Donations? Or free service?
I like catching cheaters, but since campaign managers don't work for free, it seems fair to charge a fee. How about this: if you (a campaign manager) catch a cheater thanks to my service, we share their last campaign payment 50/50 and give the cheater negative feedback instead of a payment. Deal?

Post removal
I want to keep this topic compact (so I can quickly scrape it many times). That means I'll delete almost all posts that don't contain a list from a Whitelisted user. Discussion is allowed, but I'll probably delete it at some point.

^* I'm starting to think the non-braking spaces can change when a user goes to "Forum Profile Information" and clicks "Change profile" without changing anything in the signature. This is not a big deal but the unintended result is that it shows up in my change log.

[LoyceV]

Sample
Hey LoyceV, please whitelist me!

Code:

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The above userIDs within code-tags will be checked. Please add only userIDs within one code-block, one userID per line.
Feel free to add other comments within the same post, but don't use another code-tag.
If you remove a userID, I'll keep updating them anyway. Anyone on your list will be highlighted in last-changed order on loyce.club/signatures/0_campaign_managers/<userID>.html.
Note that this isn't meant to instantly detect changes, so the time stamp can be many hours away from the actual change. It's meant to detect "unexpected" changes in signature or avatar.
To prevent mistakes, it's currently limited to 100 userIDs per campaign manager. This is mainly meant to prevent accidentally adding way more users. If that isn't enough, let me know. Only your first post in this topic gets processed, so keep all your userIDs within one post.

[Hhampuz]

This is very nice LoyceV, thank you! I'll take you up on your offer and if a cheater is caught you'll get 100% of their payment for that week . I would have also given you more merit but unfortunately all of it was spent in my latest art contest.

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Starting off with the above list, it's all the Full Members currently in my various campaigns. Let me know if there's anything else needed! Looking forward to seeing this in action, and thank you again!

[LoyceV]

I assume I should create a code block with users I want to monitor?

Correct. Just edit your post and add it. I'll use it for my testing (it might take a few days).

[Little Mouse]

Please whitelist me.

Code:

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I agree with your deal.
Can I update the list later?

[LoyceMobile]

Can I update the list later?

Yes. Just edit it (don't create a new post).

[AB de Royse777]

Good to see such thread. I owe you a review too (but that will be in private chat, later :-D ). I will give a list in a few days if not possible today or tomorrow.

Cheers,

[irfan_pak10]

Amazing work as always, surely will implement in our upcoming project.

Paid? Donations? Or free service?
I like catching cheaters, but since campaign managers don't work for free, it seems fair to charge a fee. How about this: if you (a campaign manager) catch a cheater thanks to my service, we share their last campaign payment 50/50 and give the cheater negative feedback instead of a payment. Deal?

I always work this way with many of the people who finds cheater in my campaigns. Love it.

[LoyceV]

Bump

Note that it is still possible to change a signature without getting detected, it can take hours up to a day or even longer to scrape a profile. I've added the random factor to make it harder to game the system. So cheating is still possible, but it's a risk as the account owner won't know when his signature gets checked. Besides, changing it for only a couple of hours may not be enough for another campaign manager to accept the user.

[philipma1957]

So I did a signature campaign for the first time in 4 years.
I have no intention of switching around to get double paid for two campaigns.

I am a bit confused as to what would be cheating.

So my current campaign pays me up to 40 good posts per week.

If the week starts on the 14th of sept 2023 and I do 50 good posts by  the 16th of sept 2023.

Can I leave on sept 17th go to another campaign as I fully did do the max posts for the week.

Or am I obliged to stay the full week and switch out on sept 20th thus giving the first campaign a full amount of posts and time for said week.


BTW I would want that the max posts and full time must be done if I am a campaign manager.

So that in my case I should leave at the weeks end if I were to switch out.
I only think that is fair to do the time and the post to get paid.

As a suggestion maybe this can be clarified by the campaign managers that time and posts are needed to get paid.

 OR am I misunderstanding the purpose of this thread.

[Little Mouse]

BTW I would want that the max posts and full time must be done if I am a campaign manager.

That's what all the signature campaign managers require but someone was able to bypass and get paid for 2 projects in a single week. Both manager was fooled by him. Don't know how long he did it though.
This project will help managers to monitor the participants whether they changed the signatrue in a given time or not.

Can I leave on sept 17th go to another campaign as I fully did do the max posts for the week.

Or am I obliged to stay the full week and switch out on sept 20th thus giving the first campaign a full amount of posts and time for said week.

You are obliged to wear the signature until current weeks end.

[LoyceV]

I am a bit confused as to what would be cheating.

Ultimately, that's up to the campaign manager. I just make it easier to catch cheaters.

If the week starts on the 14th of sept 2023 and I do 50 good posts by  the 16th of sept 2023.

Can I leave on sept 17th go to another campaign as I fully did do the max posts for the week.

I wouldn't allow that if I'd be the campaign manager. You're not only paid for making posts, having all your posts show the signature for the agreed amount of time is part of the deal. I'm still waiting for a campaign that pays extra to users who have tens of thousands of old posts.

As a suggestion maybe this can be clarified by the campaign managers that time and posts are needed to get paid.

Usually there's a clause like: "If you remove your signature, you won't get paid". That covers it.

[dkbit98]

Some users try to cheat signature campaigns by switching their signature back and forth between campaigns twice a week. As part of my convenient service for campaign managers, I now keep logs of signature changes of participants. Example: LoyceBot's signature.

Well done!
I am thinking about false positives with this tool.
Is any change to the signature going to be detected, like adding or removing few characters by mistake?
Or it only detects when someone removes and/or changes signature?

[BenCodie]

Some users try to cheat signature campaigns by switching their signature back and forth between campaigns twice a week. As part of my convenient service for campaign managers, I now keep logs of signature changes of participants. Example: LoyceBot's signature.

Well done!
I am thinking about false positives with this tool.
Is any change to the signature going to be detected, like adding or removing few characters by mistake?
Or it only detects when someone removes and/or changes signature?

If it's programmatic, it will know if even one character changed.

I'm curious as to whether this new "job hopper" term (never heard of it) means that one who takes the opportunities they can get, will be treated lesser than someone who stayed in another campaign for 10+ weeks?

I think loyalty and signature campaigns should not be mixed, and mixing the two would mean slightly lazier campaign management (picking loyal posters over other posters) and possibly unfair treatment (higher ranked members who are preferable in higher paying campaigns will obviously be more loyal than those who are taking any good opportunity they can get accepted into).

Otherwise, this does seem like a very useful service for managers. Nice job Loyce.

[LoyceV]

I am thinking about false positives with this tool.
Is any change to the signature going to be detected, like adding or removing few characters by mistake?

It detects any change. See this signature. I had to search in the page source to find the one byte that changed.
I don't worry about false positives, the campaign manager can see the difference between correcting a byte and switching campaigns.

I'm curious as to whether this new "job hopper" term (never heard of it)

It's a real life term:

One of the primary reasons employees job hop is the possibility of a higher salary. Changing positions often comes with a salary increase as part of a contract. Many employees prefer to change jobs rather than wait for a raise or a bonus from their employer. If you're looking for better pay, leveraging your experience to find a new role may be the fastest way to earn the salary you desire.

I've seen people who switch jobs twice a year. That gives them quick salary increases, but their new employee can already expect them to leave again soon. That means the effort and money invested in hiring them will quickly be wasted again.

means that one who takes the opportunities they can get, will be treated lesser than someone who stayed in another campaign for 10+ weeks?

Maybe. Maybe not. That's up to the campaign manager.
From what I've seen, being the highest paying campaign means users barely leave, but users in the lower paying campaigns leave the moment they get a better offer. I can't tell if campaign managers are going to do something with this information, but if I'd be a manager and I'd have 2 equally qualified candidates, I'd prefer the one who's most likely to stay the longest.

possibly unfair treatment

It's a free market. Create a union

[BenCodie]

I'm curious as to whether this new "job hopper" term (never heard of it)

It's a real life term:

One of the primary reasons employees job hop is the possibility of a higher salary. Changing positions often comes with a salary increase as part of a contract. Many employees prefer to change jobs rather than wait for a raise or a bonus from their employer. If you're looking for better pay, leveraging your experience to find a new role may be the fastest way to earn the salary you desire.

I've seen people who switch jobs twice a year. That gives them quick salary increases, but their new employee can already expect them to leave again soon. That means the effort and money invested in hiring them will quickly be wasted again.

In my opinion, some caution should be had on the effects of putting signature campaigns on the same level as physical employment.

possibly unfair treatment

It's a free market. Create a union

Fun idea I doubt there will ever be a need for this though. If advertisers want more traffic, it's an incentive to move around members rather than keep a long term one. Posts from 1+ week ago can appear first in popular threads. Rotating through more members means a wider variety of these scenarios. That's my 2 cents anyway.

I am no doubt interested to see where this innovation will take things next

[dkbit98]

It detects any change. See this signature. I had to search in the page source to find the one byte that changed.
I don't worry about false positives, the campaign manager can see the difference between correcting a byte and switching campaigns.

Sounds good, but I guess they would have to keep list of participants updated all the time, that can be a hustle for some.
How can manager see if link in signature was changed, maybe with added different custom link or different website?

[examplens]

Sounds good, but I guess they would have to keep list of participants updated all the time, that can be a hustle for some.
How can manager see if link in signature was changed, maybe with added different custom link or different website?

If the bot monitors any change, I assume that even after recognizing a new web address, it would write a new line in the log. Regardless of whether only the URL or part of the BB code was changed.

The only thing that can seem tiring here is the large number of campaign participants. Counting according to Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns currently have 739 places in bitcoin signature campaigns. I assume that there is still a certain number of those who switch from bounty to signature, so I believe that the number of participants in the campaigns is over 1000. So maybe it will be tiring until everyone is added to the tracking system

[LoyceV]

I guess they would have to keep list of participants updated all the time, that can be a hustle for some.

They're campaign managers, keeping a list of participants is their core business

How can manager see if link in signature was changed, maybe with added different custom link or different website?

If something changed, it's up to the manager to check more throughly what was changed.

The only thing that can seem tiring here is the large number of campaign participants.

That's why I sort them in "last changed" time slots. If a campaign is running stable, there shouldn't be many recent changes. See Hhampuz' example: the majority of the recently added usernames are no longer in the top time slot. Checking a few of them, it shows the colors in the signature were changed.

Counting according to Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns currently have 739 places in bitcoin signature campaigns. I assume that there is still a certain number of those who switch from bounty to signature, so I believe that the number of participants in the campaigns is over 1000. So maybe it will be tiring until everyone is added to the tracking system

Good point, I should add them myself:

How to join

• Wear any signature and be detected by me in the future, when I add you to increase my historic data

I'll do that once this works well enough. Tracking 1000 signatures and avatars means about 2 downloads per minute. That's not so bad, I can do that. That means, if a campaign managers adds someone half a year from now, there's already some signature history for most users.

[joker_josue]

I know this post will be deleted, but I didn't want to let it go without congratulating you on this new service at LoyceV.

I just hope I have few movements in this log... it's a sign that I'll be in the same campaign for a long time!