BC.game asking me to lose intentionally, then confiscating funds ---> RESOLVED!

[holydarkness]

Thanks guys, I see the flag is already supported enough to get a big warning message above the official BC.game thread. I hope this wakes them up, and if not, I hope this warns possible future customers.

Uhh... no, you're raising a flag for violation of written contract [type-3], you need 3 DT supports for that. Currently there are two DTs supporting it [Coin_trader and me], assuming no one opposes it, you'll need at least one more support from a DT to activate it.

[GekkeBelg]

Thanks guys, I see the flag is already supported enough to get a big warning message above the official BC.game thread. I hope this wakes them up, and if not, I hope this warns possible future customers.

Uhh... no, you're raising a flag for violation of written contract [type-3], you need 3 DT supports for that. Currently there are two DTs supporting it [Coin_trader and me], assuming no one opposes it, you'll need at least one more support from a DT to activate it.

But then why is there now this warning above the BC.game thread exactly after the moment Cointrader supported my flag?
It looks extremely likely his support did the job.

[Get-Paid.com]

But then why is there now this warning above the BC.game thread exactly after the moment Cointrader supported my flag?
It looks extremely likely his support did the job.

You need a support from 1 more member, if we for instance support it then the flag would be active.
We were reading what holydarkness said:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5473729.msg63144313#msg63144313

"I tried to delay this feedback as long as I can in hope that they'll deescalate the situation by addressing the concerns, but it gets piling instead of decreasing."

It's concerning for us as well, so we'd support the flag and it's now active.

We have asked them to look into this and sent them links to this and what holydarkness posted, we want them to succeed and for that we believe they should resolve the issues - we think they just grew which is why they don't use this forum too much, also many Crypto forums and groups are growing as well, so Bitcointalk might not be what it used to be, but still, the lack of response or resolving issues - this must be resolved, we agree with you on that.

UPDATE:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088875.msg63085684#msg63085684

I see the user has habit to try using many casinos and after a while, with some withdrawals, he got troubles and not all cases he received all money back. I don't know why he would prefer to take so much risk this way. If he has good gambling skills, he can win on big and trusted casinos and will not have withdrawal problems.

Someone posted this, please explain it, otherwise we can't support the flag.

[holydarkness]

But then why is there now this warning above the BC.game thread exactly after the moment Cointrader supported my flag?
It looks extremely likely his support did the job.

It shouldn't be, as you can see, with only supports from Coin_trader and me [this screenshot was taken before post above, before Get-Paid.com supported then withdrawn the support, and thus, return the situation back to the same state as earlier today] the flag shown as insufficient. I take a look into their profile in guest mode as well and no, there isn't any warning flag against them. Unless you're referring to that negative score on their profile, that now shows +3/=1/-1?

[GekkeBelg]

But then why is there now this warning above the BC.game thread exactly after the moment Cointrader supported my flag?
It looks extremely likely his support did the job.

It shouldn't be, as you can see, with only supports from Coin_trader and me [this screenshot was taken before post above, before Get-Paid.com supported then withdrawn the support, and thus, return the situation back to the same state as earlier today] the flag shown as insufficient. I take a look into their profile in guest mode as well and no, there isn't any warning flag against them. Unless you're referring to that negative score on their profile, that now shows +3/=1/-1?

I am no expert in how flags/trust etc. works, so I trust your judgement. But I do still see this message above the BC.game thread, even when logged out: Warning: One or more bitcointalk.org users have reported that they strongly believe that the creator of this topic is a scammer. (Check their trust page to see the detailed trust ratings.) While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims, you should proceed with extreme caution.

[GekkeBelg]

But then why is there now this warning above the BC.game thread exactly after the moment Cointrader supported my flag?
It looks extremely likely his support did the job.

You need a support from 1 more member, if we for instance support it then the flag would be active.
We were reading what holydarkness said:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5473729.msg63144313#msg63144313

"I tried to delay this feedback as long as I can in hope that they'll deescalate the situation by addressing the concerns, but it gets piling instead of decreasing."

It's concerning for us as well, so we'd support the flag and it's now active.

We have asked them to look into this and sent them links to this and what holydarkness posted, we want them to succeed and for that we believe they should resolve the issues - we think they just grew which is why they don't use this forum too much, also many Crypto forums and groups are growing as well, so Bitcointalk might not be what it used to be, but still, the lack of response or resolving issues - this must be resolved, we agree with you on that.

UPDATE:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088875.msg63085684#msg63085684

I see the user has habit to try using many casinos and after a while, with some withdrawals, he got troubles and not all cases he received all money back. I don't know why he would prefer to take so much risk this way. If he has good gambling skills, he can win on big and trusted casinos and will not have withdrawal problems.

Someone posted this, please explain it, otherwise we can't support the flag.

I'm not sure what this user means. He says I played at many different casinos in the past and not in all cases I got my cases resolved. So what about that is strange? I have indeed played at around 40 casinos/sportsbooks in the past 5 years, and in about 36 all went without problems (hence you didn't hear about it), in about 4 I had a problem and about half of those got resolved to satisfaction. If this user is saying I should just stick to one bookie like Pinnacle, I don't want that. I always want to have multiple sportsbooks so I can pick the best odds available among them for every bet. I think many people do this.

[holydarkness]

I am no expert in how flags/trust etc. works, so I trust your judgement. But I do still see this message above the BC.game thread, even when logged out: Warning: One or more bitcointalk.org users have reported that they strongly believe that the creator of this topic is a scammer. (Check their trust page to see the detailed trust ratings.) While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims, you should proceed with extreme caution.

Even now? Hmm... that's a bit strange, they don't have any active flag against them, that red banner shouldn't be displayed yet. I even checked BPIP just to be redundantly sure, and the data is correct, no active flag against them.



That said, you can always ask for more support [or opposition] to your flag on the link I previously provided.

[GekkeBelg]

I am no expert in how flags/trust etc. works, so I trust your judgement. But I do still see this message above the BC.game thread, even when logged out: Warning: One or more bitcointalk.org users have reported that they strongly believe that the creator of this topic is a scammer. (Check their trust page to see the detailed trust ratings.) While the bitcointalk.org administration does not verify such claims, you should proceed with extreme caution.

Even now? Hmm... that's a bit strange, they don't have any active flag against them, that red banner shouldn't be displayed yet. I even checked BPIP just to be redundantly sure, and the data is correct, no active flag against them.



That said, you can always ask for more support [or opposition] to your flag on the link I previously provided.

Hmmm, strange. I still see it when I am logged in, but not anymore when logged out. Very strange.
Anyway, let's get this third person to support the flag so that it will show for everyone, and always.

[Mahdirakib]

Hmmm, strange. I still see it when I am logged in, but not anymore when logged out. Very strange.

You are seeing this warning as you have supported the flag. Anyway, I had asked efialtis yesterday to inform BCgame team again about your issue, and he has forwarded it to them. I think they won't show the interest to clarify the issue here as long as their reputation isn't being destroyed.

Therefore, is @BC.game’s action considered scam and should we support flag, or is it better to wait a little?

For now, we can consider BC.game action as unprofessional. They have already gotten enough time to clarify the issue properly. The flag needs one more DT members support to be activated. Maybe you can do it to create pressure on them.

[Get-Paid.com]

You are seeing this warning as you have supported the flag. Anyway, I had asked efialtis yesterday to inform BCgame team again about your issue, and he has forwarded it to them. I think they won't show the interest to clarify the issue here as long as their reputation isn't being destroyed.

Mahdirakib, do you consider supporting the flag?
We'd like to hear back as well, per yahoo:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5473623.msg63154341#msg63154341

We might support the flag just to apply the right pressure but we're giving it another day to see.

[ziportan]

absolutely disgusting. i ll make sure not to go anywhere near this bookie

[Mahdirakib]

Mahdirakib, do you consider supporting the flag?

Yep, the flag should be supported as BC.game team is ignoring the complaints here for a long time. But I think we have to give them a few more days to give the clarification. Because, the Casino Guru representative of BCgame have asked the mediator to give them a few more time to discuss about the complaints with their team (for the other two complaints). So, I believe they will also discuss about the issue of OP.

[Get-Paid.com]

Yep, the flag should be supported as BC.game team is ignoring the complaints here for a long time. But I think we have to give them a few more days to give the clarification. Because, the Casino Guru representative of BCgame have asked the mediator to give them a few more time to discuss about the complaints with their team (for the other two complaints). So, I believe they will also discuss about the issue of OP.

Totally agree.
Let's give it a few more days, there seem to be developments.

[Pmalek]

First of all, I have to say that any theories about the odds being "wrong" in an event like MLB are ridiculous. It is not a small market like the Bulgarian second basketball league, but a market that can absorb millions of dollars without any problems.

In the source I linked to previously, you can see that Bet365 offered odds of around 1.85. I don't remember it by heart. At the same time, OP placed bets on odds of 2.10. That is a difference. It's not a huge and unbelievable one but still a difference to what Bet365 - one of the world's biggest bookies had. 

I am going to give BC.Game a negative tag. I PMed them asking nicely to comment in this thread since their forum representative said they would take care of it. They obviously don't want to do that. The negative feedback is the result of their overall behavior and multiple open scam accusations against the casino.

I have thought hard whether or not to support the flag. On one hand, I have found data that shows there was a difference in the odds that OP wagered on compared to what one of the best bookies in the world had at the same time. But on the other hand, I think the whole concept of value-betting or being a 'value bettor' is complete nonsense. It's absolutely idiotical to want to punish someone for finding value and an edge in the odds of a bookie and betting on said odds.

Considering all that, unknowing players and newbies should be informed of BC.Game's ways, and supporting the flag is one way to do it. I will support it.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Dear OP,

This situation is very odd and from what I have gathered from your post here, we owe you an apology. This is not by any means a standard response our CS should give. I have to look into the matter as this is the first I am hearing about it. If everything you posted, including the screenshots are real then I assure you that we will make this right. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

Two months gone and you have no follow up for this case? Half an hour ago I read another scam accusation against you. From you post history page I see there are a few more accusations where you made one comment and disappeared. What is going on with you?

I quickly looked on these cases so far without taking any of them seriously but it seems serious now and I will need to read lot more in details. Looking at the reactions from some members [who are somehow reputed and I trust some of them] I do not feel I will be finding anything good for you. But still to keep me updated before supporting any flag and leaving you a tag, I will take a few hours time until I finished my reading.

[holydarkness]

OP, GekkeBelg, Pmalek is one of the DT, and as he's supporting your flag, you now got the three supports you need and the flag is now active. Please bear in mind that this is not permanent, each of us the DT has our own reason and judgment on why we supported the flag. The statement we agreed upon supporting the flag is that we affirm to our best knowledge that the situation that warrant the flag is true. Once the situation developed and what happened is no longer correct, though, [which hopefully is because BC started taking action and handling cases against them professionally] we were kinda obligated to retract our support. For the time being, it's active.

[...]
I quickly looked on these cases so far without taking any of them seriously but it seems serious now and I will need to read lot more in details. Looking at the reactions from some members [who are somehow reputed and I trust some of them] I do not feel I will be finding anything good for you. But still to keep me updated before supporting any flag and leaving you a tag, I will take a few hours time until I finished my reading.

It might helps you navigate through their case, the link that I use for the reference on their feedback leads to my summary of the current situation and the list of cases against them [and their status], I routinely checking the development from every sources of each cases, so I think it's kinda up to date. Umm... lemme just repost it here,

Currently, these are the open cases against BC.Game, with the declared fund being confiscated:

BC.game asking me to lose intentionally, then confiscating funds by GekkeBelg | resolved | mBTC88
BC GAME LOSES DISPUTE AGAINST ME - AND STILL DOES NOT PAY MY WINNINGS by Jannn [a continuation to this thread] | resolved | $3,409
BlockDance B.V., BC.Game and its Fraudulent “Operator Verifier” by earlypaco | resolved | $7,111
BC.Game cancelled my bonuses and locked my account with $100k+ USD balance by -god- | unresolved | $250,000
BC.Game - can't withdraw 7.97 BTC by dplay | resolved | BTC7.97

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

[...]
I quickly looked on these cases so far without taking any of them seriously but it seems serious now and I will need to read lot more in details. Looking at the reactions from some members [who are somehow reputed and I trust some of them] I do not feel I will be finding anything good for you. But still to keep me updated before supporting any flag and leaving you a tag, I will take a few hours time until I finished my reading.

It might helps you navigate through their case, the link that I use for the reference on their feedback leads to my summary of the current situation and the list of cases against them [and their status], I routinely checking the development from every sources of each cases, so I think it's kinda up to date. Umm... lemme just repost it here,

Currently, these are the open cases against BC.Game, with the declared fund being confiscated:

BC.game asking me to lose intentionally, then confiscating funds by GekkeBelg | unresolved | mBTC88
BC GAME LOSES DISPUTE AGAINST ME - AND STILL DOES NOT PAY MY WINNINGS by Jannn [a continuation to this thread] | unresolved | $3,409
BlockDance B.V., BC.Game and its Fraudulent “Operator Verifier” by earlypaco | unresolved | $7,111
BC.Game cancelled my bonuses and locked my account with $100k+ USD balance by -god- | unresolved | $250,000
BC.Game - can't withdraw 7.97 BTC by dplay | pending confirmation, waiting for withdrawal | BTC7.97, agreed a deal in BTC4.6

Last few days I had spent a good amount of time reading through some of the cases and their developments. It was depositing. BC.Game was able to build up a good reputation but it turns out they are using this reputation in bad ways and assuming things will be unnoticed because of the earned reputation. Very bad practice to take unethical advantage of the positive contribution they made. I have no way but to support the flag against them for this OP and I believe it's one of the many flags only.

I will leave a negative feedback to alert the trading risk with them. Sorry BC.Game.

[Shishir99]

I have spent almost an hour reading the whole OP and some replies but I haven't seen any response from the BC game except the initial response. Unfortunately, this is not the first time nor the last time we have seen issues with BC game. I have seen plenty of scam accusations against them and maximum of them happened because of their unprofessional live support even though they claim that their support is 24/7 online. This is just a lie. A lot of members reported that once they get some issues and contact support, they just ignore the message and players come back to this forum. Can you imagine what could be the excuse for not responding to this thread?

[holydarkness]

I've updated the summary in reflect to the recent updates with the arbitrators. Now five out of five cases against BC are unresolved as their pending withdrawal process with dplay turned south with them hanging him dry and seemingly just buying time with several excuses. Cases being escalated to arbitrators, both AG and CG, are also reaching their deadline with the mediators marking the cases as unresolved.

I really hate if this casino turned bad. I was... am hoping, still hoping, that it just a small hiccups and they'll go back to their professional SOP soon.

[...] Can you imagine what could be the excuse for not responding to this thread?

All I know, I've sent several PMs to reinvite them to this case, and it turned to deaf ears.

[Pmalek]

They have now had a big red banner and scammer warning above all their threads for days and that still hasn't resulted in the casino representative to come online and say something. It doesn't look good, and they don't seem to care. I can't think of any other reasons unless they are health-related why the forum rep has decided to remain silent. And even that is far-fetched and very unlikely.