Request for sent merit edit button

[Don Pedro Dinero]

There is a very good way to avoid sending random merits, not to be greedy, and not to accumulate many merits. If you, OP, were more generous, then sending twenty-two merits at a time would be impossible. Such situations will never happen to people who do not accumulate their merits. Except for everything, don't be sorry; just please the person who got such a gift.

I don't remember having had 22 merits to send out, maybe when the merit system started and we had airdropped merits (I don't remember how many), but other than that I don't think I've even come close to accumulating 22 smerits. I'm sending them as they come along.

Some months ago, I was doubting whether to send 2 or 1 sMerits to a given post, and ended up sending 21. It happens every now and then.

As said, I think this happens to those who hoard merits and those of you who have a lot of smerits (top merit earners+merit sources). It doesn't happen to us commoners.

As the sender of tens of thousands of Merits, I'd hate to see a confirmation pop-up. Once you're used to it, you'll click it without reading, so all it does is waste your time.
I've made mistakes a few times, but in total it's about 0.2% of my sMerit that went wrong. It's not a big deal.

I agree, looking for a solution for such a low error rate does not seem worthwhile.

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[robelneo]

Woke up this morning and was going through some threads and wanted to merit a post. My intention was definitely to send 2 merits because to that post and then got carried away and mistakenly sent 22, I didn’t even notice until I saw my smerits drained, yeah it is ok to spend all smerits but definitely the amount to be sent should match the content of the posts.

My reason for this post is shouldn’t we have something like a second warning when the confirm button is clicked, like ’are you sure you want to send this amount to so so’

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I don't think there is a need for this if you are just mindful or aware of what you're doing it will not happen, the forum should not create patches or modifications because somebody just got excited and carried away, anyway with this experience I'm sure you will be mindful next time, just charge it to experience the guy should thank you for being generous or your mistake.

[Faisal2202]

Woke up this morning and was going through some threads and wanted to merit a post. My intention was definitely to send 2 merits because to that post and then got carried away and mistakenly sent 22, I didn’t even notice until I saw my smerits drained, yeah it is ok to spend all smerits but definitely the amount to be sent should match the content of the posts.

OMG, that's a big mistake, but your mistake is good for the youdacapt, as he received 22 merits. I am quite amazed to see that, you have that many smerits in your profile, to be honest, I am a man, who never held merits for a longer period of time, instead always found something good to give merit, due to my activeness, even sometimes I don't have merits but posts to give merits.

I think the edit button can not be added, it's not that, it can not be implemented, but it will hurt the meaning of the merits. And people can use the edit button for many bad purposes because merit farming has been happening for some time here and then people can frame the merits sending and receiving.

Besides that, a red statement would be wise, but if a person is in hype and giving merits in speed then there is no use of that alert notification. Because you will bluntly accept that notification and will still make the mistake. So, it is better to learn from your mistakes and be active in the future before giving merits.

[DYING_S0UL]

There is a very good way to avoid sending random merits, not to be greedy, and not to accumulate many merits. If you, OP, were more generous, then sending twenty-two merits at a time would be impossible. Such situations will never happen to people who do not accumulate their merits. Except for everything, don't be sorry; just please the person who got such a gift.

I don't remember having had 22 merits to send out, maybe when the merit system started and we had airdropped merits (I don't remember how many), but other than that I don't think I've even come close to accumulating 22 smerits. I'm sending them as they come along.

Some months ago, I was doubting whether to send 2 or 1 sMerits to a given post, and ended up sending 21. It happens every now and then.

As said, I think this happens to those who hoard merits and those of you who have a lot of smerits (top merit earners+merit sources). It doesn't happen to us commoners.

I agree, looking for a solution for such a low error rate does not seem worthwhile.

I totally agree with you. Hoarding sMerits doesn't do any good. The flow of sMerit should be continuous. I have earned 72 merits so far. I always reserve 5 merit for emergency and the rest, I giveaway where I seem fit (currently have 7 sMerits).

Anyway, OP,  you shouldn't be sad about this. Those sMerits were never meant for you. One way or another you would have given them to somebody. Loosing them or mistakenly sending them doesn't do any harm, do they? You can't expect to get merits, when you don't want to send merits!! I'm not saying you don't give sMerits. But it's how I think of it. Try to give 1-2 merits where you seem fit, build good relationships with others. I hope you would be more attentive the next time, when you send out sMerits.

[philipma1957]

As the sender of tens of thousands of Merits, I'd hate to see a confirmation pop-up. Once you're used to it, you'll click it without reading, so all it does is waste your time.
I've made mistakes a few times, but in total it's about 0.2% of my sMerit that went wrong. It's not a big deal.

but for him it was 22/24 = 91.6 %

I read more of his posts and found some decent ones so he now has received 8 merits from me.

[coin-investor]

This is a case of making a mistake and then blaming the forum for not having this feature, this request will be ignored so people will not be too lazy to check and double-check their actions If this happens to me I will just take it and blame myself not from forum's lack of of feature.

[Hyphen(-)]

What actually messed mine up was like I just saw the post and was like let me send 2 then saw I had 24 smerits and in my head I would have 22 left after sending that two, then it was the 22 I ended sending. Maybe that’s punishment for hoarding something that was giving freely to me. But would have appreciated I splashed them on many posts or even a thread created not just a random reply.

The mistake has been made and can never be reversed. I want you to take heart even though I know that you are probably complaining because the comment you merited was not worth such a huge amount of merit, but nevertheless, there is no offence in sending such a large number of merits to a comment or even a thread, and beside that, the merits are useless to your account since you are still sending them out to other users.

Second confirmation would be actually helpful. But maybe things like this is teaching one how to avoid mistake on this crypto space, imagine it was bitcoin, I would probably be on drips now.

Yes, a second confirmation will be helpful, but since it is smerit and it is given out for free, there is no need for more confirmation. If added, it will be good to take note and stop making such mistakes.

[ZAINmalik75]

Woke up this morning and was going through some threads and wanted to merit a post. My intention was definitely to send 2 merits because to that post and then got carried away and mistakenly sent 22, I didn’t even notice until I saw my smerits drained, yeah it is ok to spend all smerits but definitely the amount to be sent should match the content of the posts.

That's a big mistake you have made here, but I think it's okay because in the crypto world, people make mistakes where they send their assets to another's wallet address by mistake, but you just spent your hardly earned Merits on a post that according to you don't deserve to get that much merits.

I don't know if it is wise to ask that person for returns of merits, and I think you should really not do that, because that might come under the merit phishing technique, and you might end up with neutral tags. So, leave it now and start to work again and earn more merits. But I don't really understand why you saved those many smerits.

You should use them and appreciate other's posts often, that way the merits you have earned will be in circulation and others will benefit from it.

I think we don't need the edit button because this can be used for wrong purposes, and members can make foul use of it, and it needs so much modification in the forum code, so it is better this way. And you should be more careful next time. I think this mistake will make you confirm the number 10 times so that you don't make this mistake again. 

[SamReomo]

My intention was definitely to send 2 merits because to that post and then got carried away and mistakenly sent 22, I didn’t even notice until I saw my smerits drained, yeah it is ok to spend all smerits but definitely the amount to be sent should match the content of the posts.

Well, it's your own choice to send smerits to one post or ten posts but if you sent those merits mistakenly still that's okay. The guy who got those merits was lucky today because instead of 2 merits he got 22. The smerits should always be send to the posts that deserve those merits because storing of those smerits won't help the one who stores them.
 

My reason for this post is shouldn’t we have something like a second warning when the confirm button is clicked, like ’are you sure you want to send this amount to so so’

Secondly shouldn’t we have a patch on editing merit sent even if it is for a specified time like how the edit button doesn’t reflect edited when it is done immediately the post is made.

I don't think that members want to see that second confirmation warning especially the merit sources. The current way of sending merits is working fine for us and that's why changing it in any way will make it harder for members to send merits.

[KingsDen]

I think I have seen this kind of situation here in the forum. Although I cannot recall how it actually happened. All I can recall is that the lucky beneficiary of the unintended merit came back and handed the user some merits from the smerits. I may be wrong about this but I can remember Lovesmayfamilis also wrote on that thread. I don't know if she can remember what I am trying to recall.
Meanwhile, I have in other scenarios read where people sent number of merits than they intended, although this always happen with sending 11 merits instead of 1. This is my first time seeing the mistake of 2 and 22.
Op, I support your idea of getting a second confirmation before meriting. That is always applicable when actions are irreversible as in the case of merit sending.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I think I have seen this kind of situation here in the forum. Although I cannot recall how it actually happened. All I can recall is that the lucky beneficiary of the unintended merit came back and handed the user some merits from the smerits. I may be wrong about this but I can remember Lovesmayfamilis also wrote on that thread. I don't know if she can remember what I am trying to recall.
Meanwhile, I have in other scenarios read where people sent number of merits than they intended, although this always happen with sending 11 merits instead of 1. This is my first time seeing the mistake of 2 and 22.
Op, I support your idea of getting a second confirmation before meriting. That is always applicable when actions are irreversible as in the case of merit sending.

Yes, you are right. I remember that story well. This happened when there was an anniversary competition, and the user sujonali1819, instead of one merit, sent eleven by mistake. He did not ask to return, but the one who received so much merit returned all eleven to him, obviously thinking that such a loss for sujonali1819 would greatly upset him.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.msg53133959#msg53133959

[AprilioMP]

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Definitely pained to have wasted all my smerits on a single post.

Regarding sending sMerit, I still remember very well when I asked about messages that I thought were very useful that I saw under the topic or on the first page of each post. I created custom topic to find the answer. There came a legendary member warning me about my sMerit stack that I had never spent. At that time I found the answer I wanted because one of the legendary members answered my question correctly that it was factoids by attaching a link https://bitcointalk.org/adrotate.php?adinfo

Since then I started to realize that my first mistake as a member of this forum was not implementing the merit system correctly and since then I started issuing sMerits to other users.

I will read your post later today and see what I think of you.

I also want that for you  although I'm not the best poster.

[m2017]

Definitely pained to have wasted all my smerits on a single post.

It's smerit, you would not benefit from hoarding it, and the fact that you had 22 of it, it means you've had it since at least last month, basically you're feeling bad for giving away something you're not keen on giving and you have no benefit from. So why?

I assume that OP wanted to distribute the credits more evenly between different users.

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Next time you will be more careful and this incident is a lesson for everyone, not just you.

Personally, I am quite happy with the current merit submission system, and such “stair” in the form of an additional pop-up window with a warning will only irritate me. There is no need to unnecessarily clutter the forum, which I personally like for its simplicity.

It's a shame that you wasted your merits? Now you have a great incentive to accumulate new ones, which will have a positive effect on your rank. Take advantage of the new opportunity and don't be discouraged.

[Upgrade00]

shouldn’t we have something like a second warning when the confirm button is clicked, like ’are you sure you want to send this amount to so so’

This will just bother the majority of people if they needed to confirm the merits they are sending before sending it everytime. If it is even considered it should be an option that can be toggled off and on depending on the user's preference.

Secondly shouldn’t we have a patch on editing merit sent even if it is for a specified time like how the edit button doesn’t reflect edited when it is done immediately the post is made.

This will have far reaching implications and should not be considered by the admins. Merits by design should not be reversible.

[hugeblack]

This has happened to me several times, but the solution is simple:

1) Install greasemonkey (firefox), or tampermonkey (chrome)
2) Download this code^[1], developer ETFbitcoin and grue, source^[2]

After that, you can send merits, and if you want to resend, you will not be able to send them again (unless you refresh the page).
Personally, I do not see any need to modify the current version, as the number of such errors is less than 1%.

[1]

Code:

// ==UserScript==
// @name        bitcointalk merit
// @version     1.3
// @author      grue, minifrij, EcuaMobi, ETFbitcoin
// @source      https://github.com/grue0/bitcointalk-scripts/
// @source      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2833350.0;0
// @description A very simple userscript that allows you to add merit without leaving the page
// @include     https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=*
// @require     https://code.jquery.com/jquery-3.4.1.min.js
// @grant none
// ==/UserScript==

(() => {
  var sMerit, source_sMerit, check_onClick = false, oneClick_amount = [1, 2, 5, 10, 50]

  function check_sMerit(msgId){
    // Added by EcuaMobi
    $.post(
      "https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;msg=29048068"
    ).then((data) => {
      sMerit = /You have <b>([0-9]+)<\/b> sendable/.exec(data)[1]
      source_sMerit = /The next ([0-9]+) merit you spend will come from your source/.exec(data)[1]
      show_popup(msgId)
    }).catch(() => sMerit = null)
  }

  function show_popup(msgId){
    if(sMerit!=null && source_sMerit==null) {
      $("#em-smerit-count" + msgId).html('<a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;msg='+msgId+'" target="_blank">Available:</a> <b>'+sMerit+'</b> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;')
    } else if (sMerit!=null && source_sMerit!=null) {
      $("#em-smerit-count" + msgId).html('<a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;msg='+msgId+'" target="_blank">Available (yours | source):</a> <b>'+sMerit+' | '+source_sMerit+'</b> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;')
    }else{
      $("#em-smerit-count" + msgId).html('<a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;msg='+msgId+'" target="_blank">Getting sMerit amount...</b> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;')
    }
    $("#grue-merit-popup" + msgId).toggle()
  }

  // get csrf token from the logout link
  let sc = $('td.maintab_back a[href*="index.php?action=logout;sesc="').attr("href");
  sc = /;sesc=(.*)/.exec(sc)[1];

  // Get remaining sMerit
  check_sMerit()

  // selector for the "+Merit" link
  $('td.td_headerandpost div[id^=ignmsgbttns] a[href*="index.php?action=merit;msg="]').each((i, e) => {
    const msgId = /msg=([0-9]+)/.exec(e.href)[1]

    let oneClick_html = `
      <div style="display:inline-block;">
        One-click send :
      </div>
    `
    oneClick_amount.forEach((amount) => {
      oneClick_html += `
        <form style="display:inline-block;">
          <input name="merits" value="` + amount + `" type="hidden"/>
          <input style="padding:0" class="oneClick" value="` + amount + `" type="submit">
        </form>
      `
    })

    const $popup = $(['<div id="grue-merit-popup' + msgId +'" class="grue-merit-popup" style="position: absolute; right: 40px; background-color: #ddd; font-size: 13px; padding: 8px;border-width: 1px;border-color: black;border-style: solid;">',
      oneClick_html,
      '  <hr>',
      '  <form>',
      '    <div>',
      '      Merit points: <input style="height:1em" size="6" name="merits" value="1" type="number" min="1" max="50"/>',
      '    </div>',
      '    <div style="margin-top: 6px; "><span id="em-smerit-count' + msgId +'" style="font-size:11px;" /> <input class="sendButton" value="Send" type="submit"></div>',
      '  </form>',
      '</div>'
    ].join("\n"))
    $popup.find("form").submit( (e) => {
      e.preventDefault()
      $popup.find('.sendButton')
        .prop("disabled", true)
        .val("Sending...")
      $popup.find('.oneClick')
        .prop("disabled", true)
      const merits = e.target.elements["merits"].value;

      $.post(
        "https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit",
        {merits, msgID: msgId, sc}
      ).then((data) => {
        //Error pages usually have this (rough heuristic)
        if(data.includes("<title>An Error Has Occurred!</title")) {
          throw "error"
        }
        //double check and see whether the post we merited was added to the list. Its msgId should be visible in the page source.
        if(data.includes("#msg" + msgId)) {
          alert("Merit added.")
          $("#grue-merit-popup" + msgId).toggle(false)
          if(!check_onClick){
            if(source_sMerit!=null && source_sMerit-merits>=0){
              source_sMerit -= merits
            }else if(source_sMerit!=null && source_sMerit>0){
              sMerit -= merits-source_sMerit
              source_sMerit = 0
            }else if(sMerit!=null){
              sMerit -= merits
            }
          }
          return
        }
        alert("Server response indeterminate.")
      })
      .catch(() => alert("Failed to add merit."))
      .always(() => {
        $popup.find('.sendButton')
          .prop("disabled", false)
          .val("Send")
        $popup.find('.oneClick')
          .prop("disabled", true)
      })
    })
    $popup.insertAfter(e)

    $(e).click((e) => {
      e.preventDefault()
      if(check_onClick){
        check_sMerit(msgId)
      }else{
        show_popup(msgId)
      }
    })
  })
  $(".grue-merit-popup").toggle(false)
})()

[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2833350.msg52249695#msg52249695

[Huppercase]

Woke up this morning and was going through some threads and wanted to merit a post. My intention was definitely to send 2 merits because to that post and then got carried away and mistakenly sent 22, I didn’t even notice until I saw my smerits drained, yeah it is ok to spend all smerits but definitely the amount to be sent should match the content of the posts.

My reason for this post is shouldn’t we have something like a second warning when the confirm button is clicked, like ’are you sure you want to send this amount to so so’

Secondly shouldn’t we have a patch on editing merit sent even if it is for a specified time like how the edit button doesn’t reflect edited when it is done immediately the post is made.

PowerGlove is there a way to go round this?

Definitely pained to have wasted all my smerits on a single post.

I wish this request will be granted.
What if we have simple command if conditional statements, not like having complex system in merit system.
Something like "IF" or "WHAT IF" condition, it will be easier to manipulate this mistake without compromising the security log of the forum, atleast this is not an request that will be hard for the Moderators or Theymos to implement, we don't have to wait for mistakes that are going to be general or as some people are saying its a minor mistakes.

There are even more expert and programmers in this forum that will do more justice to some problems on the forum, we should allow proposal and review them before implementation, this is how bitcoin upgrade has been helpful, the forum shouldn't be left out because if we are talking about fear, many proposal that are impemented on BTC will have died so many years but more and more are still coming.

[KingsDen]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.msg53133959#msg53133959

Nice to see. It seems that this 11 merits instead on 1 has happened so many times in the forum. This may not be the exact thread I am referring to. That one happened between lower ranked members which made the forum members more skeptical to believe it was unintentionally. Also, from the picture above it seems the one involving Sujonali happened far back 2019. I wasn't in the forum as of then.

This is a case of making a mistake and then blaming the forum for not having this feature, this request will be ignored so people will not be too lazy to check and double-check their actions If this happens to me I will just take it and blame myself not from forum's lack of of feature.

This is not about mistakes. It usually happen to newbies sending merits the first time. Anyone not familiar with the forum can make same mistake. I also made a merit sending mistake in another way. After sending merits to a user, I refreshed the page and the action happened twice but I didn't complain. If need be, his request should be put into consideration but it is not among the pressing issues in the forum.

[DVlog]

Woke up this morning and was going through some threads and wanted to merit a post. My intention was definitely to send 2 merits because to that post and then got carried away and mistakenly sent 22, I didn’t even notice until I saw my smerits drained, yeah it is ok to spend all smerits but definitely the amount to be sent should match the content of the posts.

My reason for this post is shouldn’t we have something like a second warning when the confirm button is clicked, like ’are you sure you want to send this amount to so so’

Secondly shouldn’t we have a patch on editing merit sent even if it is for a specified time like how the edit button doesn’t reflect edited when it is done immediately the post is made.

PowerGlove is there a way to go round this?

Definitely pained to have wasted all my smerits on a single post.

Your incident just reminded me of another one that was done by me a few weeks ago. I wanted to send 2 smerits to a post, but due to a slow network or some other issue, 2+ 2 = 4 merits have been sent to a single post two times when the intention was to send 2 smerits. I think I can remember what happened at that time.

First, I sent two smerits, but due to the slow network, the page was loading for a long time, so I just refreshed it after a few minutes and bang! Two extra merits were sent to that post.

[philipma1957]

There is a very good way to avoid sending random merits, not to be greedy, and not to accumulate many merits. If you, OP, were more generous, then sending twenty-two merits at a time would be impossible. Such situations will never happen to people who do not accumulate their merits. Except for everything, don't be sorry; just please the person who got such a gift.

I don't remember having had 22 merits to send out, maybe when the merit system started and we had airdropped merits (I don't remember how many), but other than that I don't think I've even come close to accumulating 22 smerits. I'm sending them as they come along.

Some months ago, I was doubting whether to send 2 or 1 sMerits to a given post, and ended up sending 21. It happens every now and then.

As said, I think this happens to those who hoard merits and those of you who have a lot of smerits (top merit earners+merit sources). It doesn't happen to us commoners.

As the sender of tens of thousands of Merits, I'd hate to see a confirmation pop-up. Once you're used to it, you'll click it without reading, so all it does is waste your time.
I've made mistakes a few times, but in total it's about 0.2% of my sMerit that went wrong. It's not a big deal.

I agree, looking for a solution for such a low error rate does not seem worthwhile.

yeah i have done 10 and 20 vs 1 or 2

and being a source my merits stack up.

even though I have given thousands of merits I always have a stack of them to give.

[nakamura12]

I think you have mistakenly press 2 more than once rather than pressing it once. I am sure you didn't double check or triple check before sending because once you click send it cannot be undone but before you can give merit, you need to click on merit button which doesn't send merit right away and that's the time where you input how many merits you are going to send ( quite sure you know about it). There's nothing you can ro about it now but to accumulate smerits again.