- UGA - a Gamblers Union

[Moonzulu]

Hi There,


I have gained a lot of Experience over the Years regarding Online Casinos, and the System in wich Casinos are working by. Sometimes you win really big and everything is perfect, but sometimes you lose and all of a sudden you feel treated unfairly.

I had Similar Situations back in the Days, my account as Stake with Diamond Rank was closed just because i was discussing with a Live support worker. The thing wich had me really dissapointed wasnt even though that the account got closed, it was more the Lack of respect i received by the Casino in this matter. I feel like Casinos are forgetting to treat players with respect in some points, a lot of people might just talk to Live support or send a mail in to comprehend their feelings of loss at a live casino but sometimes people just want to be treated fairly, players have certain interests wich are not always unjustified. But Casinos tend to ignore these kind of problems and just give you Copy & Paste answers.


I feel like Casinos held each player for replaceable at some point. But Thats not right, thats not in accordance with Responsible Gambling in my opinion. There is so much space, so much can be done individually and from casinos to make it user friendlier. Not beeing scared to ask something to live support, not beeing scared that your account might get closed becaused you just discuss with people, the fact that so many gamblers feel not heard because cs is answering to wrong questions, casinos tend to answer with weeks of delay.

I really believe that Gamblers wich come together and justify on certain aspects have more weight and get heard to a larger audience to make these issues known and visible, without visibility there is no way of change. a Gamblers Union who represents the rights of Gamblers in general would really change a lot of things wich are wrong these days.

I am 100% that there are a lot of things missing in this first Post, but i am also 100% sure that atleast 1 person in the gambling space has felt at some point unfairly treated.

If you agree share this message,

I am planning to make a Website, Socials and a lot more, people who arent getting heard will get heard, the different stories will get heard and hopefully a lot of cases will be solved by presenting this to the brighter audience.

I thank everyone who read this so far, i am really excited to see where this discussion will lead into.

best regards

Moonzulu

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[coin-investor]

You have good intentions I hope you will not follow it up with asking for funds from those who are interested, why the need to create, and why you, gamblers choose to be independent I have not heard of a gamblers association online if it is about complaint there are already platforms for that and this includes this forum.

There's also a possibility of deceit because players will come to you with bad intentions to just use your platform to demand or extort casinos, I don't think it's a good idea better just launch a review site it's not complicated and it will save you from the many headaches.

[Moonzulu]

Hi There,

First of all Thanks for your Comment,


I can understand the fact regarding that.

The Thing with Stake was that i was mentioning suicidal thoughts in one of our accidents because i was emotional since i had lost quite a bit. Afterwards the CS has provided me "help" banning me so i am not able to play anymore because of the Suicidal Thoughts i mentioned. I have posted it more detailled in the forum of stake but nobody really cared, so the account was closed, my Diamond rank and 30 million wager was basically deleted in one click and it stayed this way.


All i am trying to do with this post is to find people who are maybe feeling the same way regarding certain casinos etc. The idea came into my mind really sporadically, so it needs interactions and development, i dont have the answer to filtering out legit vs fake cases but these kind of things can be figured out. I really believe that strong communities nowadays can do a lot of good things, the Play responsible slogan is not something that is restricted to users, there is a difference on casinos wich are just praising it and casinos wich really implement it in a way that a user doesnt feel extra punished.


If you look in my case you will find that i was basically banned from my community, wich i have given everything to. So its really something wich we need to evolve i think. And wich we need to talk about and share the message so maybe casinos implement it more.

[Moonzulu]

Hey there Again,

Thanks for the message,

it really isnt a question about the money i think. Its just Talking about this subject for example is making it a lot easier to process it you know, you dont feel like a banned member all of a sudden.

You can talk to figure out things in that space. Also it is a Idea wich needs to be implemented the right way because nobody has made something like that. I agree that it will cause headache and a lot of other things but this can really provide value to the word responsible gambling, also to Casinos to not make things and stand by it just because they were done,

A lot of casinos in my experience are not accepting it if they made mistakes for example. Because they are also scared that if they agree to one mistake they need to agree to all other mistakes. But that doesnt wash the fact away that its still a mistake you know.


There could be a system of judging the Claim someone has in order to atleast make as less mistakes as possible. There is a lot of room for improvement.

[Beparanf]

If you agree share this message,

I am planning to make a Website, Socials and a lot more, people who arent getting heard will get heard, the different stories will get heard and hopefully a lot of cases will be solved by presenting this to the brighter audience.

I thank everyone who read this so far, i am really excited to see where this discussion will lead into.

best regards

Moonzulu

It will be helpful if this service of yours will come true especially if you have a way to force casino on answering all issues that submit to your service. We already have casinoguru and askgambler but more website offer this kind of service that deals with casino misconduct is always welcome here in the forum.

Buy copper membership once you are ready to announce your service to have a proper presentation of your service. Good luck! I’m looking forward to this as I personally experience some misconduct of casino.

[Gozie51]

But Casinos tend to ignore these kind of problems and just give you Copy & Paste answers.

Of course you should expect a generic answer when you have presented a generic question. If you are asking a popular question or you have a popular challenge then no need bugging the service, sometimes such response or answer could be automated if it is a usual question.

I feel like Casinos held each player for replaceable at some point. But Thats not right, thats not in accordance with Responsible Gambling in my opinion. There is so much space, so much can be done individually and from casinos to make it user friendlier. Not beeing scared to ask something to live support, not beeing scared that your account might get closed becaused you just discuss with people, the fact that so many gamblers feel not heard because cs is answering to wrong questions, casinos tend to answer with weeks of delay.

I don't know of a reputable casino here that will ban your account if you have not violated the rules. There are rules set out for the games you play and you should keep to it. I also don't think customer service will allow your enquiry for weeks if not the hanging of KYC.

I am planning to make a Website, Socials and a lot more, people who arent getting heard will get heard, the different stories will get heard and hopefully a lot of cases will be solved by presenting this to the brighter audience.

Good luck on that but I hope you will get an honest review from your participants so that they don't transfer aggression. I suggest you could add proof on their evidence against whichever casino, that will make your work authentic.

[Moonzulu]

Thats really good to hear i appreciate it!

i have like some kind of idea in that regard of answering,

maybe some kind of valuation wich is accepted by casinos and can be implement once the project is big enough for casinos to participate, maybe some kind of live stamp wich is always updating the number of complaints but not visible for the users just visible to the casinos so users cant missuse those,

with this way casinos would get some kind of warning in how to react, what to do etc. Special cases wich need more valuation could be via video conference calls where users and casino representatives can come together, this service would be the middle part wich connects users to casinos if there are concerns. I really want to do this service for free. anyone has some right if they are treated unfairly.

i mean like i said before there are a lot of things wich can be developed. I also would love to list different subjects in that space and give you a place where you guys can list your ideas so we can like start surveys and see what users really want in that regard

[crwth]

Am I understanding this right? When a gambler is losing, you want someone to be on the line, like the customer service representatives, and be there to "comfort" you during the time of loss. Is that right?

Your intentions are not bad but it doesn't make sense either because customer service representatives are there to help you support with the overall casino experience and not be a therapist.

I agree that having that would help gamblers with their feelings but I don't think the effect would be so big that it could affect the impact. Have a hotline for it or something

[Moonzulu]

Hey there Gozie51,

Thanks for your reply,


i completely agree with the suggestion regarding the CS unfortunately its rare for casinos to give generic answers, specially when you feel treated unfairly at some point. atleast in my opinion.


Well here is my case regarding Stake https://stakecommunity.com/topic/55928-refund-for-deposited-funds/#comment-1160397 you are completely free to make your own choice if it justified or not, truth is it wont change nothing. In my point of view i was banned for a lifetime just for reacting emotionally. For being treated unfair. I dont say that my behavior was right here but i was a certified member at stake and Diamond Rank is not easy to reach. I think banning me for a lifetime and banishing me from my community where i wagered over 30 million is a really hard choice. I appreciate everyone who does not share my thoughts here.


Thats my aim, to receive honest reviews to force development in this idea, i think it could be cool to push this idea to see what it brings to people, maybe we can change something.

[AbuBhakar]

I really believe that Gamblers wich come together and justify on certain aspects have more weight and get heard to a larger audience to make these issues known and visible, without visibility there is no way of change. a Gamblers Union who represents the rights of Gamblers in general would really change a lot of things wich are wrong these days.

I am 100% that there are a lot of things missing in this first Post, but i am also 100% sure that atleast 1 person in the gambling space has felt at some point unfairly treated.

I understand the thoughts behind this idea but how can you assure that casino will answer on the issues that submit to your website? Casino typically just ignored concern as much as possible especially on new website like yours.

Do you have some credentials or connections that you can use to pressure casino operators to answer on the concerns that you are raising against them. The only thing that I think casino will be force to answer is through legal action using their license. If you have this power then your service might be valuable.

[Moonzulu]

Hey There, crwth

Thanks for your reply

Well it is not easy as that, and its not always issues wich are money based, i mean someone can lose ofcourse and then its lost, but losing money arent the only issues on casinos in my opinion.

There are Issues regarding Withdraws, regarding KYC, regarding Bonuses, regarding Wager Accomplishments and everyone has their different side, i can understand it if a user gets pissed for example because they havent heard something for days in and out from their casino regarding a withdraw or some verification eventhough the website states something else, the main issues will have money included and we cannot change that but its our duty as gamblers to provide a space where users and casino do not to fear to say something wrong for example.


Thats why ending disputes in this way seems better, and faster, easier for users and casino. It doesnt matter if the guilty one is the casino or the gambler but having a space to find the truth doesnt seem to be something with a bad purpose, it can only develop the system in my view.


Besides of that i can understand your point that CS is a service wich is intended to do that, but its not about the feelings only. Its about mental health specially when a casino like stake or bc.game etc. is constantly explaining us how important that is, and specially to find the best solutions for the best situations. Maybe you have heard the Term of a CS wich states "I cant do that, i cant make that because my level is not high enough or i cant do that because i have no authority in this case etc." it happens a lot of times where CS is not the best partner to talk about certain issues. But im not saying that its useless, its more some more popular station if someone has a problem and wants that solved.

[Moonzulu]

Hey There, AbuBhakar

Thanks for your Question,

There is no key instruction to do that, but my hope is that a community can evolve changes. Once people come together and form a community they can share the message more and more in the web wich will definitely gain attention, Associations like Curacao Gambling Authority or Responsible Gambling Association will hear us when they see how many people are staying behind it because the most important facilities of a casino are theyre users, without us the whole gambling industry would be nothing. We have the power to bring change, i really believe that.

[Slow death]

It is not an easy task to create a review site, create a site where it is possible to resolve disputes and, above all, create a site where people can post their good and bad experiences about casinos. Why isn't it easy to create something that would help a lot of people? The answer is because when you created the website, you would have to spend a lot of money on advertising and the people who entered your website and expressed what they feel and saw that your website does not have any great power of influence in the gambling market, so those people Those who exposed their problem on your site will stop using your site. and this happens frequently

People always want to win something, in the case of your website they will at least want their problem to be solved, so that's why some people realized this and created sites like casino.guro and askegambler. This is because on the website there are casino links where when people create an account with that link then the casinos already know that a good part of their customers come from casino.guro and askgambler and when the casino guro and askgambler notify the casino to This resolves a problem of a customer who complained to the Guro or Askgambler casino. The casino is afraid of losing reputation and responds to the customer. so this is the only way to be able to be important to the point of being a mediator

and people complain or casinos see people's dissatisfaction. But for you to have a website and add many casinos and have a big influence like casino guro and askgambler, you will have to spend money on advertising and a lot of time. If you create a simple website or forum, it will be a failure. I'm sorry to have to say this, people won't go to your website or forum to post until they earn anything. Even on forums that are intended for addicted people to tell their stories, there haven't been many comments.

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[Wiwo]

Hi There,


I have gained a lot of Experience over the Years regarding Online Casinos, and the System in wich Casinos are working by. Sometimes you win really big and everything is perfect, but sometimes you lose and all of a sudden you feel treated unfairly.

I had Similar Situations back in the Days, my account as Stake with Diamond Rank was closed just because i was discussing with a Live support worker. The thing wich had me really dissapointed wasnt even though that the account got closed, it was more the Lack of respect i received by the Casino in this matter. I feel like Casinos are forgetting to treat players with respect in some points, a lot of people might just talk to Live support or send a mail in to comprehend their feelings of loss at a live casino but sometimes people just want to be treated fairly, players have certain interests wich are not always unjustified. But Casinos tend to ignore these kind of problems and just give you Copy & Paste answers.

Why should a gambler even contact the casino to air the displeasure from losing,  this is not making any sense because you have never celebrated your winning with anyone so then why should goi go to vent your vexation on the support.

I don't think that is civil enough,  because it will be against the operational policy of the casino and rule of engagement for the support agent.

[OgNasty]

It seems a little like this is a plan to get a bunch of people together with gambling horror stories in order to harass casino owners into some sort of support or settlement. Maybe I’m completely wrong, but that is what I’m sniffing from reading the plan here. I guess maybe that’s what Unions are, so not a big deal. Just trying to illuminate the motivation here.

[BitcoinPanther]

I really believe that Gamblers wich come together and justify on certain aspects have more weight and get heard to a larger audience to make these issues known and visible, without visibility there is no way of change. a Gamblers Union who represents the rights of Gamblers in general would really change a lot of things wich are wrong these days.

I am 100% that there are a lot of things missing in this first Post, but i am also 100% sure that atleast 1 person in the gambling space has felt at some point unfairly treated.

I understand the thoughts behind this idea but how can you assure that casino will answer on the issues that submit to your website? Casino typically just ignored concern as much as possible especially on new website like yours.

If the created site became popular and reputable, casinos will tend to listen to the advises, they can be even use as mediator between the casino and the player in case there is dispute.  This is all about the influence of the site towards gamblers.

Do you have some credentials or connections that you can use to pressure casino operators to answer on the concerns that you are raising against them. The only thing that I think casino will be force to answer is through legal action using their license. If you have this power then your service might be valuable.

At first @OP have maybe have not much credentials and influence to affect the casinos decision but once his service is established, became popular and caters hundred thousands to millions of followers, and affiliated a good number of players, the casino might listen to the opinion.  That is how I think the plan of @OP might have an impact to the casino.

[Mate2237]

Is it because you were discussing with live support and your account was closed, guy your story is not clear. How possible is that, before casino close your account, you have violated the Terms and Conditions of the website and not a mere discussion that was led to the closure of the account. Normally from what I have seen casinos respect players from my own point of view, because if there was no respect, they wouldn't discuss with you both in the forum and live support to answer your questions.

Not all casinos will treat you the way you want. Some are customer friendly while some are not so whichever one you meet, you have to adopt the terms and conditions and play your game and if your don't want to continue because their behaviour then you quit the site look for another but no one is perfect.

[BenCodie]

I would not be surprised if this has already been tried before. The problem with the idea could be that casinos can isolate and somewhat punish those a part of this union, make casino accessibility more difficult and impose tougher restrictions on those a part of the union in order to deter people from joining it. Even if the union was to hypothetically have 1000 members, I don't think this would be enough to sway or make any difference to current casino decision making.

[Hispo]

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't unions supposed to be about people who work in a determined industry or company, so they can defend their rights and improve their own working conditions?

What you are trying to achieve sounds like something different from the classic definition of an union, if we talk about the treat from companies and service providers, then (as far as I know) there are already institutions whose work is actually to protect customers from suffering abuse. We could argue whether those institutions do their job or not, that is another debate; though I would expect some of them, based in developed countries, to do their work.

[Wexnident]

I feel like Casinos are forgetting to treat players with respect in some points, a lot of people might just talk to Live support or send a mail in to comprehend their feelings of loss at a live casino but sometimes people just want to be treated fairly, players have certain interests wich are not always unjustified. But Casinos tend to ignore these kind of problems and just give you Copy & Paste answers.

I think it's just work culture in general, especially in customer support type of things. That kind of work always have some sort of manual to depend on which can make their answers robotic. One of my friends told me that it's usually like that because most people like to get their answers straight to the point. Appealing to their emotions all the time isn't exactly a good thing, especially for support cases where the people just want their answer immediately. If you also consider how old people are, well, old and how young people have shorter attention spans, a matter you could've probably told in a single sentence but instead elongated to 3,4 sentences could be a matter that could cause them dissatisfaction. Casinos answering questions incorrectly or taking a long ass time is a whole nother matter though.

I am planning to make a Website, Socials and a lot more, people who arent getting heard will get heard, the different stories will get heard and hopefully a lot of cases will be solved by presenting this to the brighter audience.

Props to you then. Sadly I don't think this is going to tackle the main problem of casinos being slow in terms of answering customer queries or stuff like that. It's just going to reveal that some casinos have issues but to be fair, all casinos have small issues, especially with regard to cs. You never see them tackling it though, even with review sites indicating it as such.

[serjent05]

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't unions supposed to be about people who work in a determined industry or company, so they can defend their rights and improve their own working conditions?

Well, gamblers are people who happen to belong to one industry.  Having union does not necessary means that they should belong to only one plarform.  Union if taken into definition has something to do with joining hands with a common goal.

What you are trying to achieve sounds like something different from the classic definition of an union, if we talk about the treat from companies and service providers, then (as far as I know) there are already institutions whose work is actually to protect customers from suffering abuse. We could argue whether those institutions do their job or not, that is another debate; though I would expect some of them, based in developed countries, to do their work.

The problem is that these institutions that should be protecting the interest of a customer are not working deligently and often times ignore the cases elevated to them making the process excruciating and very slow.  In some cases, they even take years to get noticed or processed.

[goinmerry]

I understand what OP tried to achieved but there's no need for a Gamblers union here especially in crypto-gambling.

Here in this forum, the sections of Reputation and Scam Accusation is already a good place to voiced out everything about concerns to gambling platforms. A union in general is centralized and there should be a solid support from known and big institution. What we can only achieved here is just a simple group.

If there's a complaint, show everything as a proof and post it on the right section of the forum.

[Porfirii]

Are you creating the "Alliance of Bitcointalk Gamblers"? (AoBG)

As others said, if your intentions are good and you don't escalate this idea and end up asking for money to those interested on it, then I hope you good luck. As some important member in this forum told me one day: I respect those who want to create something out of nothing.

As a little piece of advice, maybe you could write in bold the most important sentence(s) in your OP, so those members in a hurry can get the main idea before skipping to the next thread. Because it is quite large and without format (a brick).

[davis196]

What exactly do you suggest?
Creating a website, where the gamblers could gather around and complain about casinos? We already have bitcointalk.org. You can complain about crypto casinos here. You can post a scam accusation in the "Scam accusations" forum. What else do we need?
Do you suggest the gamblers to create some sort of union, with which they could put some pressure over the crypto casinos?
Good luck with this. I don't think that it will happen. The gamblers cannot be united under an idea like this. Most of them will refuse to boycott the scam casinos and will keep gambling on them.

[bettercrypto]

I don't see anything wrong with what you are planning, and I just hope that it will be really good for the gambling community here in the crypto space. Then it should be free, and you won't ask anyone for any money here. You know the people here in the forum; when you do that, you will immediately think bad things for sure.

But my only question is, why do you want to do that? What do you think it will bring that is good here in the crypto gambling community with your plans here in the business world like this?

[tread93]

I'm sorry to hear of your difficulties here. The saying "the house always wins" would apply here I would think. At the end of the day they gotta make money.

[Jating]

I'm sorry to hear of your difficulties here. The saying "the house always wins" would apply here I would think. At the end of the day they gotta make money.

That's always been the case in any casinos, that's why they have what we call the house edge. And even if you have all the money in the world, for sure you are going to lose it all in the end because of the math.

I'm not sure what the OP though wanted to accomplished here, it's a given fact that at least one casino here has been accused of being dishonest or rigging the results to favor them. However, I can't phantom like a website wherein all gamblers, specially those who lost big money will gather around and talk about it and then nothing can be done. Of course, it's good that you can vent all your frustrations and anything, but still at the end of the day, nothing can be change. And you should really stop if you think you are mentally affected by our big losses.

[Russlenat]

Am I understanding this right? When a gambler is losing, you want someone to be on the line, like the customer service representatives, and be there to "comfort" you during the time of loss. Is that right?

It's not necessary anymore; the fact that we gamble means we understand that we might lose. Engaging in that kind of behavior is akin to admitting defeat and behaving like a sore loser. Responsible gamblers understand how to manage their emotions. Instead of feeling sad, they view losses as opportunities to learn from their mistakes and continually improve themselves.

So, it's not something for me or for those matured gamblers out there, as we handle our losses without complaint.

[aioc]

I really believe that Gamblers wich come together and justify on certain aspects have more weight and get heard to a larger audience to make these issues known and visible, without visibility there is no way of change. a Gamblers Union who represents the rights of Gamblers in general would really change a lot of things wich are wrong these days.

Expect sore losers to use your platform in their agenda and those who can't accept that they've lost a lot of money, your first problem is how to check legit issues and what makes you so sure that the casinos will give in to what you're fighting for, the casinos' terms are always final and executory, we already have platforms to file complaints there is no need to set up a union for gamblers if there is a union it should be a union on how gamblers should discipline themselves and them to accept their loss if you insist on doing this what would you get you to spend money to launch a site a percentage of the gambler's recovered winnings?

[iv4n]

I'm sorry to hear of your difficulties here. The saying "the house always wins" would apply here I would think. At the end of the day they gotta make money.

Well, at the end of the day we gamble, and when we gamble we face some level of risk, depending on the game of choice and our playing style that risk can be low or very high. Of course, the house has an advantage, it's something we should know before we enter the casino and start playing. So I don't like when people start complaining and crying after they lose in the casino, it's on us to try to beat the house, but we should know that chances are pretty much against us.

[carlfebz2]

I am planning to make a Website, Socials and a lot more, people who arent getting heard will get heard, the different stories will get heard and hopefully a lot of cases will be solved by presenting this to the brighter audience.

I thank everyone who read this so far, i am really excited to see where this discussion will lead into.

best regards

Moonzulu

So what are you trying to build? A group of gamblers who do have those kind of frustration and having those kind of being mistreated by the casino just because they hadnt get the attention and response that they do seek? I would say that it is really that much having no sense on what you are trying out to fight for but somehow having that kind of treatment on which blocking/locking an account because of having those discussions about on your current condition then it would really be totally no fair.

Do you have screenshots at least that Stake did eventually did this to you on which sharing up something then you had been blocked out? It is really that somewhat cant really be able to believe
that they would really be having that kind of behavior on which blocking without having solid reason is really indeed shady or you have done something which is really that against their terms?
If so then expect on what would be the actions but if this one turns out to be a random ban or block because you are sharing up some sentiment into your condition then
its not really that a good act made by them but as said, we do need proofs at least.

[Z390]

So much things are happening offline and online, we don't know which story to believe anymore, OP you said your own side of the story but I as a person can't believe you whole heartedly, sorry for this but people lies so much this days, like lies are so normal and they can be crafted in such neat way that makes it look excellently true.

I wish we can hear from the casino too, because there might be more to the story you shared, this is one thing I've learned from elderly people while growing up, that no matter how truth a story seems, always make sure you hear from the other part, even if they are your parents or siblings.

People also like going after casinos and trash talking about them only when they start losing money, when they win randomly no one hear that side of the story, they slowly withdraw the fund and enjoy it while it last, but once they start losing the whole world will hear from them.

OP you want to create a website solely for people to get heard?  I don't think it makes sense because even if people are heard, no one will fight for them without hearing from the casinos team themselves, and to call them to honor your invite won't always work, that's why using this forum to tackle such issues are the best, because they have their ANN account on the forum.

[Slow death]

What exactly do you suggest?
Creating a website, where the gamblers could gather around and complain about casinos? We already have bitcointalk.org. You can complain about crypto casinos here. You can post a scam accusation in the "Scam accusations" forum. What else do we need?
Do you suggest the gamblers to create some sort of union, with which they could put some pressure over the crypto casinos?
Good luck with this. I don't think that it will happen. The gamblers cannot be united under an idea like this. Most of them will refuse to boycott the scam casinos and will keep gambling on them.

From what I see his intention is not to boycott casinos, it is not to sabotage casinos and another thing here on the forum people post scam accusations when they have problems and they don't keep talking about the many casinos in the scam accusations section, also the members They don't create threads to talk about all the casinos, what has happened is that when people want to talk about a casino they do it in the casino thread, this is very different from having a website where people can talk about all the casinos in the same place, it would be something similar to the chat that is in casinos

Of course, I don't know if this is what the op intends to create, but from my understanding it would be something similar to casino chats, but people could talk about how they are being treated in casinos, if they had problems with games, payments, kyc, problems with the support. Ultimately, it would be a place for people to vent their problems and maybe even people could talk about other topics. but if the opposition wants to create some organization to complain about casinos, then that won't work, it will be useless because this is a market in which governments have little interest in meddling and regulating and being rigorous, which is why it would be a waste of time to create a group to complain about casinos

[bangjoe]

I understand what OP tried to achieved but there's no need for a Gamblers union here especially in crypto-gambling.

Here in this forum, the sections of Reputation and Scam Accusation is already a good place to voiced out everything about concerns to gambling platforms. A union in general is centralized and there should be a solid support from known and big institution. What we can only achieved here is just a simple group.

If there's a complaint, show everything as a proof and post it on the right section of the forum.

He has a good intention to deal with problems like this, from his case not about fraud but may be more about justice for customers. But indeed if this gambler union occurs, I am not sure how to manage it with the data when there is a story in the coral intentionally to conquer the casino without going through verification that we do not know its standard.

In this forum can still make a methode with a gambling platform to discuss the problems that occur in the account, the existence of tolerance or whatever is obeyed by the accounts that are banned may be used if only the problem as the natural op.

[so98nn]

I would say most of the casinos are coming out with full package of user experience these days. They have to because users has got more options than google search can show for the list of Gambling Website. I think if someone is going to make a gambling website then they have to study the other websites first. Check how the best list is doing out there with the features, UI, number of slots, live game plays, and much more. After this every site needs to consider their support system. It has to be very strong since they gonna get thousands of tickets to process every day. I am pretty sure you would do the same if you have plans like these. By the way welcome to the forum and hope you bring out some good user experience soon.

[Hispo]

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't unions supposed to be about people who work in a determined industry or company, so they can defend their rights and improve their own working conditions?

Well, gamblers are people who happen to belong to one industry.  Having union does not necessary means that they should belong to only one plarform.  Union if taken into definition has something to do with joining hands with a common goal.

What you are trying to achieve sounds like something different from the classic definition of an union, if we talk about the treat from companies and service providers, then (as far as I know) there are already institutions whose work is actually to protect customers from suffering abuse. We could argue whether those institutions do their job or not, that is another debate; though I would expect some of them, based in developed countries, to do their work.

The problem is that these institutions that should be protecting the interest of a customer are not working deligently and often times ignore the cases elevated to them making the process excruciating and very slow.  In some cases, they even take years to get noticed or processed.

I can agree that institutions which are supposed to protect consumers may be underfunded (even in developed countries), though that is rather a political discussion which does not have much to do with the topic of this thread.

I just wanted to highlight that the terms which are being used by OP are incorrect (if the precedent of what an Union is considered).
Because gamblers are consumers, not workers for casinos. Though, regardless of what OP is trying to say, I do hope he can be listened and whether his claims are true, then get his issue resolved.

[Haunebu]

Gamblers union for crypto gambling sites? Good luck with that op. I can see that your intentions are good, but you need to be practical here. Crypto gambling sites aren't regulated heavily like their FIAT counterparts.

For example, look at a shit site like 1xbit. They have been scamming gamblers for years and are still operational despite all the scam accusations against them which says a lot.

[Quidat]

Gamblers union for crypto gambling sites? Good luck with that op. I can see that your intentions are good, but you need to be practical here. Crypto gambling sites aren't regulated heavily like their FIAT counterparts.

For example, look at a shit site like 1xbit. They have been scamming gamblers for years and are still operational despite all the scam accusations against them which says a lot.

Trying to run some petition or groups or community on which it would really be trying out to fight for something specially on crypto space then i would say that it is really that
something pointless or something that would really just simply fail because there would be no support that you would really be able to get, if there's one then it wont really be
just that enough trying to fight against a casino. This is why this Gamblers union is really that pointless because you wont really be getting any support.

[Gozie51]

This is why this Gamblers union is really that pointless because you wont really be getting any support.

I mean how does op intend to enforce this even if he gets prove of cheating or scam against the gambler? Is he going to get the FBI to enforce it and take the casino and the owner to court and ask for compensation or damages? This is a pretty difficult assignment that he is wanting to embark on because some gamblers may also drop their accusations at the middle just as it is known with court cases that the accuse would later drop the case for one reason or the other. However, I wish him good luck for trying to raise an army to protect gamblers.

[Hispo]

Gamblers union for crypto gambling sites? Good luck with that op. I can see that your intentions are good, but you need to be practical here. Crypto gambling sites aren't regulated heavily like their FIAT counterparts.

For example, look at a shit site like 1xbit. They have been scamming gamblers for years and are still operational despite all the scam accusations against them which says a lot.

I think the example you offer, regarding 1xbit may be not completely appropriate, because in my opinion, that webpage still being up is a chronic case of both problem of jurisdiction and also corruption. There must be some powerful people behind it being up to this day.

Since what OP is talking about does not have any legal precedent (which I am aware of), it would likely see as a boycott and not a formal organization in the eyes of the laws, and boycotts are nor regulated either.

Sometimes I wonder whether the pattern company of the shady 1xbit scams as many people as the former, because since it manages FIAT, in theory it would be harder for them to get away with it. 

[LUCKMCFLY]

I think the idea is not bad, sometimes a casino is not to Blame if the support treated you badly at some point, because things can be fixed by talking or clarifying how things happened, however the initiative is good, above all there is There are many problems now such as KYC issues, VPNs, perhaps if they raise their voices a lot they can put some casinos into Consideration , because things when it comes to casinos are very delicate when they start to question them. Maybe one or two people don't give them much importance, but if you manage to create a Community they can make a good noise, it's not bad, there are many people who are always complaining about many problems, and sometimes they don't give them much attention. the sport, but in part this type of Organization must do it very well, because otherwise they would be a laughingstock, because if many Scammers Leave, they invent many things to harm someone and without any type of screen capture because it is not the Idea , I think that Things are always going to happen from that point of View , when we are clear About things as they are, then there is Nothing to Do.

In the forum there are many Topics of this style of KYC, VPN , and Especially about cases of Addiction, we do not know how many people at this moment are suffering from gambling addiction, which obviously need our attention and all our Support If you also focus on it you can do many good things, it will draw the attention of the People who have power and who can donate funds so that they can help people get out of this Problem , so that they can spend it on specialists, on medicine For those who Deserve it , when They are Completely Verifiable Cases of Addictio n, it is not just to start speaking badly about a casino or try to discredit it , because if that is what they Are for they will not receive any type of support either and as I said before , They would be a Make me Laugh.

[stomachgrowls]

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't unions supposed to be about people who work in a determined industry or company, so they can defend their rights and improve their own working conditions?

Well, gamblers are people who happen to belong to one industry.  Having union does not necessary means that they should belong to only one plarform.  Union if taken into definition has something to do with joining hands with a common goal.

What you are trying to achieve sounds like something different from the classic definition of an union, if we talk about the treat from companies and service providers, then (as far as I know) there are already institutions whose work is actually to protect customers from suffering abuse. We could argue whether those institutions do their job or not, that is another debate; though I would expect some of them, based in developed countries, to do their work.

The problem is that these institutions that should be protecting the interest of a customer are not working deligently and often times ignore the cases elevated to them making the process excruciating and very slow.  In some cases, they even take years to get noticed or processed.

I can agree that institutions which are supposed to protect consumers may be underfunded (even in developed countries), though that is rather a political discussion which does not have much to do with the topic of this thread.

I just wanted to highlight that the terms which are being used by OP are incorrect (if the precedent of what an Union is considered).
Because gamblers are consumers, not workers for casinos. Though, regardless of what OP is trying to say, I do hope he can be listened and whether his claims are true, then get his issue resolved.

Speaking about Union then it would really be pertaining to this;
A union is an organization formed by workers who join together and use their strength to have a voice in their workplace. Through their union, workers have the ability to negotiate from a position of strength with employers over wages, benefits, workplace health and safety, job training and other work-related issues Source

Which if we do try to look on what OP is trying to express or say then it is really that totally not that correlated.Just like what you said that gamblers are consumers and its really that quite not that in connect
if we do speak on trying out to fight for something specially for the rights or whatsoever concerns which needs to be addressed. This is why it would really be that important that you should
really know on how to choose reputable or known sites which it would really be that removing into those probabilities on experiencing some situations specially on support system.
If you do find yourself that getting that having not good treatment then you could always have that opt to look for another place.

[Youngkhngdiddy]

Speaking about Union then it would really be pertaining to this;
A union is an organization formed by workers who join together and use their strength to have a voice in their workplace. Through their union, workers have the ability to negotiate from a position of strength with employers over wages, benefits, workplace health and safety, job training and other work-related issues Source

Which if we do try to look on what OP is trying to express or say then it is really that totally not that correlated.Just like what you said that gamblers are consumers and its really that quite not that in connect
if we do speak on trying out to fight for something specially for the rights or whatsoever concerns which needs to be addressed. This is why it would really be that important that you should
really know on how to choose reputable or known sites which it would really be that removing into those probabilities on experiencing some situations specially on support system.
If you do find yourself that getting that having not good treatment then you could always have that opt to look for another place.

    I don’t see why a casino or gambling platform will want to treat their customers unfairly, if any is doing that then they will be losing customers and when customers don’t come to patronize them, they will be going out of business. Running a casino or gambling business is just like running any other business and to be best knowledge customer services are always taken as major priority in any business. Every casino platform have the FAQ option where costumer can ask questions.
  The union is not really a necessary thing, because I don’t know what else need to be discussed in the union, every casino and gambling platform have their own different rules and regulations and I guess before you’d register you would be ask to agree to their terms and conditions. If you not getting the right service from a particular casino or gambling company there are other options out there you can choose from. This is why it’s important to know what you’re signing up for so you won’t regret your decision. I just want to ask the OP if the union is formed where will they take their complaints to if time for protesting comes ?

[paxmao]

It would be difficult to judge your personal case and why Stake decided to retire your account without knowing how did the discussion go. It is not possible either if your were right and mistreated or if you wanted something that was not really fair, but on regards to creating a Union, it is not a bad idea. This forum already gives some basis as you can check complaints and reputations.

[ultrloa]

Speaking about Union then it would really be pertaining to this;
A union is an organization formed by workers who join together and use their strength to have a voice in their workplace. Through their union, workers have the ability to negotiate from a position of strength with employers over wages, benefits, workplace health and safety, job training and other work-related issues Source

Which if we do try to look on what OP is trying to express or say then it is really that totally not that correlated.Just like what you said that gamblers are consumers and its really that quite not that in connect
if we do speak on trying out to fight for something specially for the rights or whatsoever concerns which needs to be addressed. This is why it would really be that important that you should
really know on how to choose reputable or known sites which it would really be that removing into those probabilities on experiencing some situations specially on support system.
If you do find yourself that getting that having not good treatment then you could always have that opt to look for another place.

    I don’t see why a casino or gambling platform will want to treat their customers unfairly, if any is doing that then they will be losing customers and when customers don’t come to patronize them, they will be going out of business. Running a casino or gambling business is just like running any other business and to be best knowledge customer services are always taken as major priority in any business. Every casino platform have the FAQ option where costumer can ask questions.
  The union is not really a necessary thing, because I don’t know what else need to be discussed in the union, every casino and gambling platform have their own different rules and regulations and I guess before you’d register you would be ask to agree to their terms and conditions. If you not getting the right service from a particular casino or gambling company there are other options out there you can choose from. This is why it’s important to know what you’re signing up for so you won’t regret your decision. I just want to ask the OP if the union is formed where will they take their complaints to if time for protesting comes ?

Any bad experience especially if there's valid proof to support their claims will be a bad publicity to the casino and they might lose a lot of costumers if they found out that there costumers has been really compromised then not getting any help to solve their issue. There are casinos has been kick off by community due to shady activities but for those reputable casino been accused about doing something unusual to their costumer I guess many will get skeptical with those claims especially if no valid proof has been presented and the account use is a newly created one. Would agree that the union is not necessarily needed since we already have this forum where we can talk a lot of things and performance of any casino is included. If someone will be found out that doing suspicious actions like scamming or wrecking someone's bet for sure they will not last long here since to many people will criticize their negative actions made to those users.

[CryptSafe]

I just stumbled upon this post now and I must say that you have good intentions to help gamblers who felt cheated by casinos even after contacting their customer care service but do you think that would be very easy to handle if your organisation have no supportive force to back up with their activities. Casinos too have their ways of resolving with their clients and to this effect they do that amicably so as to avoid escalations from their customers and I believe any customer that is found wanting would definitely lose out and in that case they would have their way to you for support and if you do not investigate properly, you might just be wasting your time and lastly, there are few members here who does this exercise which you are interested in. I guess you should join team with them or possibly study from them too.

[danadc]

Speaking about Union then it would really be pertaining to this;
A union is an organization formed by workers who join together and use their strength to have a voice in their workplace. Through their union, workers have the ability to negotiate from a position of strength with employers over wages, benefits, workplace health and safety, job training and other work-related issues Source

Which if we do try to look on what OP is trying to express or say then it is really that totally not that correlated.Just like what you said that gamblers are consumers and its really that quite not that in connect
if we do speak on trying out to fight for something specially for the rights or whatsoever concerns which needs to be addressed. This is why it would really be that important that you should
really know on how to choose reputable or known sites which it would really be that removing into those probabilities on experiencing some situations specially on support system.
If you do find yourself that getting that having not good treatment then you could always have that opt to look for another place.

    I don’t see why a casino or gambling platform will want to treat their customers unfairly, if any is doing that then they will be losing customers and when customers don’t come to patronize them, they will be going out of business. Running a casino or gambling business is just like running any other business and to be best knowledge customer services are always taken as major priority in any business. Every casino platform have the FAQ option where costumer can ask questions.
  The union is not really a necessary thing, because I don’t know what else need to be discussed in the union, every casino and gambling platform have their own different rules and regulations and I guess before you’d register you would be ask to agree to their terms and conditions. If you not getting the right service from a particular casino or gambling company there are other options out there you can choose from. This is why it’s important to know what you’re signing up for so you won’t regret your decision. I just want to ask the OP if the union is formed where will they take their complaints to if time for protesting comes ?

Any bad experience especially if there's valid proof to support their claims will be a bad publicity to the casino and they might lose a lot of costumers if they found out that there costumers has been really compromised then not getting any help to solve their issue. There are casinos has been kick off by community due to shady activities but for those reputable casino been accused about doing something unusual to their costumer I guess many will get skeptical with those claims especially if no valid proof has been presented and the account use is a newly created one. Would agree that the union is not necessarily needed since we already have this forum where we can talk a lot of things and performance of any casino is included. If someone will be found out that doing suspicious actions like scamming or wrecking someone's bet for sure they will not last long here since to many people will criticize their negative actions made to those users.

I like this because you can do Something that can make the Voice of those who do not listen heard heard, with Cases that are more specific Many have Problems with money Withdrawals , because they Ask for a lot of KYC and that Makes it impossible good to do Any type of activity , so what I have thought About this is that this has some type of Political Power here in the forum where they have a President and secretaries where They handle all the problems that they can fight and can obtain results , because you are welcome . It's good to have a union and it doesn't work , I mean , make me laugh , it has to be Something very Serious.

[Saisher]

I am planning to make a Website, Socials and a lot more, people who arent getting heard will get heard, the different stories will get heard and hopefully a lot of cases will be solved by presenting this to the brighter audience.

I thank everyone who read this so far, i am really excited to see where this discussion will lead into.

You may have good intentions but I doubt if it's going to work because, in reality, it's hard to bind gamblers have you seen a big Gamblers union offline I don't think there exists, there's such a thing as a club but I doubt if it's possible to establish a Union, and how do you manage it by asking fee so they can fight their cause in case they lose and they lose because of their addiction and they just want to recover their losses, your intention is good but you're going to face many issues that gamblers are the one bringing.

[mirakal]

It would be difficult to judge your personal case and why Stake decided to retire your account without knowing how did the discussion go. It is not possible either if your were right and mistreated or if you wanted something that was not really fair, but on regards to creating a Union, it is not a bad idea. This forum already gives some basis as you can check complaints and reputations.

If you think the casino is not fair to you and you are being mistreated, then go create a gambler’s union. But let me remind you that once other gamblers have joined in, and share the same problems, just a piece of advice, never jump on any conclusion but learn to investigate first since there’s always two sides of the story. There are gamblers who always play victim but in reality, they are the one’s at fault why the casino has turned down their account. On my point of view, once you decide to play in casinos, you know already the risk and that the casino will always beat the players. So if some gamblers are just joining on the union because they think they are cheated, at least they should know that being at loss even if it’s a consistent loss does not mean that the casino is not already fair and is cheating.

[348Judah]

I don't think if there's a need for this kind of a thing, though it depends on the kind of people involved, this can be done when it's a closed group whereby members create such avenue because they know each other or have on one occasion met together under a trusted program or activities, if we are talking about joining a union of which we don't know the people involved or trust their reputation, it will be risky to join such and it could also make no difference to the social media platforms where scams are being taken place unregulated, except for a cause or purpose of trust and familiarity, this may not be a take for almost everyone.

[Lakai01]

-snip-
There are gamblers who always play victim but in reality, they are the one’s at fault why the casino has turned down their account. On my point of view, once you decide to play in casinos, you know already the risk and that the casino will always beat the players.

I see it the same way. As soon as you take on this role, you have to be aware that the support from such a union is also exploited, for example in the case of justified suspensions or losses that are blamed on an unfair algorithm. As a union, you are then probably very quickly no longer welcome at the casinos, since the unnecessary, additional communication for the casinos also means a lot of effort.

I see the idea as positive in principle, but it will most likely fail because of the implementation. Precisely because there are enough people who exploit something like this for their own purposes.

[...]

I have a request: could you use punctuation and/or paragraphs in your posts? They are so very hard to read!

[Hispo]

I don't think if there's a need for this kind of a thing, though it depends on the kind of people involved, this can be done when it's a closed group whereby members create such avenue because they know each other or have on one occasion met together under a trusted program or activities, if we are talking about joining a union of which we don't know the people involved or trust their reputation, it will be risky to join such and it could also make no difference to the social media platforms where scams are being taken place unregulated, except for a cause or purpose of trust and familiarity, this may not be a take for almost everyone.

If it is a closed group or private group of people, then it would not be an union per definion. Unions are supposed to be open to new participants who can prove they belong to a specific part of an industry, being the biggest example lately the Auto worker union in the United States.

I believe that if the objective is to make casinos know that they are supposed to comply which some minimum standards, it would be better to read their Terms of Service, study them and see if they are compatible with the law in whatever jurisdiction the casino is based.
If those laws are not compatible with the Terms of Service of a casino or any kind of online service, then just inform those in charge of keeping an eye on it.
Sounds more straight forward than starting an organization on the internet with no recognition.

[coolcoinz]

You may have good intentions but I doubt if it's going to work because, in reality, it's hard to bind gamblers have you seen a big Gamblers union offline I don't think there exists, there's such a thing as a club but I doubt if it's possible to establish a Union, and how do you manage it by asking fee so they can fight their cause in case they lose and they lose because of their addiction and they just want to recover their losses, your intention is good but you're going to face many issues that gamblers are the one bringing.

For people to join such club they'd need some common goal, some benefit of this whole thing. Like a book reader's club shares reviews of books they read and recommend them to others. They also lend books to each other, so both these things make members of the club waste less time on bad titles and less money on books other members can give them for free.
What would a gambling club member benefit from? The club would have to be able get exclusive bonuses, tournament invites, maybe deals to test new features of existing sites for a pay.
If you want to share stories, you can do it here.

[dezoel]

I would say most of the casinos are coming out with full package of user experience these days. They have to because users has got more options than google search can show for the list of Gambling Website. I think if someone is going to make a gambling website then they have to study the other websites first. Check how the best list is doing out there with the features, UI, number of slots, live game plays, and much more. After this every site needs to consider their support system. It has to be very strong since they gonna get thousands of tickets to process every day. I am pretty sure you would do the same if you have plans like these. By the way welcome to the forum and hope you bring out some good user experience soon.

Newer casinos might have observed well if what are the demands of the gamblers but there are some who just rush. Despite of having a lot of options, I know a gambler can still be loyal on selected casinos. I guess it's because they already created good memories in it, so they will always be on their hearts no matter what.

Google can show a massive list but we need to be specific with our searches and better include the word " trusted " because there are also lots of scam casinos nowadays. Our forum Bitcointalk will still be a better source than in Google, when it comes to choosing the best crypto casinos. If a site is almost perfect, they may not get a lot of complaints but it's not an excuse to not put a quality support system. Same goes to the new casinos even though they are still small.

[avp2306]

You may have good intentions but I doubt if it's going to work because, in reality, it's hard to bind gamblers have you seen a big Gamblers union offline I don't think there exists, there's such a thing as a club but I doubt if it's possible to establish a Union, and how do you manage it by asking fee so they can fight their cause in case they lose and they lose because of their addiction and they just want to recover their losses, your intention is good but you're going to face many issues that gamblers are the one bringing.

For people to join such club they'd need some common goal, some benefit of this whole thing. Like a book reader's club shares reviews of books they read and recommend them to others. They also lend books to each other, so both these things make members of the club waste less time on bad titles and less money on books other members can give them for free.
What would a gambling club member benefit from? The club would have to be able get exclusive bonuses, tournament invites, maybe deals to test new features of existing sites for a pay.
If you want to share stories, you can do it here.

But do they actually need to join those club? maybe for high roller yes but how could they able to convince those guys to join there club? This people are provably busy on other important matters and joining a group. But if they can offer something good benefits that can attract them rather than making their life hard then maybe they can make this group bigger, but for now it seems that majority doesn't like the idea since they don't know if this group is beneficial to them. Maybe if there's one influential person will handle the group maybe they can make this to happen but for just like this I guess there's zero chance that this possible group will proceed since trust is the main concern by people here.

[LUCKMCFLY]

You may have good intentions but I doubt if it's going to work because, in reality, it's hard to bind gamblers have you seen a big Gamblers union offline I don't think there exists, there's such a thing as a club but I doubt if it's possible to establish a Union, and how do you manage it by asking fee so they can fight their cause in case they lose and they lose because of their addiction and they just want to recover their losses, your intention is good but you're going to face many issues that gamblers are the one bringing.

For people to join such club they'd need some common goal, some benefit of this whole thing. Like a book reader's club shares reviews of books they read and recommend them to others. They also lend books to each other, so both these things make members of the club waste less time on bad titles and less money on books other members can give them for free.
What would a gambling club member benefit from? The club would have to be able get exclusive bonuses, tournament invites, maybe deals to test new features of existing sites for a pay.
If you want to share stories, you can do it here.

But do they actually need to join those club? maybe for high roller yes but how could they able to convince those guys to join there club? This people are provably busy on other important matters and joining a group. But if they can offer something good benefits that can attract them rather than making their life hard then maybe they can make this group bigger, but for now it seems that majority doesn't like the idea since they don't know if this group is beneficial to them. Maybe if there's one influential person will handle the group maybe they can make this to happen but for just like this I guess there's zero chance that this possible group will proceed since trust is the main concern by people here.

Well, when things happen , in Some cases it may appear that help is Needed with a particular Problem with casinos. I have seen many times the Stories that there are always problems with KYC, with VPNs you can create a very Large force to that a better Issue can be Generated for the defense of the players, because I have seen the Casinos they always Agree with them, even when the player is right, it is difficult, with the screenshots it is possible to Argue , but if the Person He doesn't take the screenshots, So how can he fight Well ? If it is a Novice Person without any kind of projection or anything, then in that case the players lose the case, when in reality they have Been the ones who are the victims, in this Order of Ideas we could make a lot of Difference if there is a good Support from others, if not in that Case we Cannot do Anything , it is Better to have a Force, but of Course, fight for just causes, because fight when there is something that is not , Because Nothing can be done.

We could have many ways to Defend Ourselves, but the Unions Always have an importance and a greater Voice than they can Hear , Of course it is a completely Transparent Union , not that it Becomes any source of pure Corruption that also lends Itself to that , So you Cannot do seven types of acts, this is what you have to have a lot of Reputation to be able to have a High degree of trust, and that is difficult , However we must always take Refuge in the Best that can help us for Any type of Problem, in this case a Union like this could Help us a lot, as Long as, as I Said before , the Focus of the Problem can be Resolved quickly, and thus the problem of any player has more relevance in Any casino, which for My that would be great, oh a lot with KYC, with VPN, with those things.

[milewilda]

You may have good intentions but I doubt if it's going to work because, in reality, it's hard to bind gamblers have you seen a big Gamblers union offline I don't think there exists, there's such a thing as a club but I doubt if it's possible to establish a Union, and how do you manage it by asking fee so they can fight their cause in case they lose and they lose because of their addiction and they just want to recover their losses, your intention is good but you're going to face many issues that gamblers are the one bringing.

For people to join such club they'd need some common goal, some benefit of this whole thing. Like a book reader's club shares reviews of books they read and recommend them to others. They also lend books to each other, so both these things make members of the club waste less time on bad titles and less money on books other members can give them for free.
What would a gambling club member benefit from? The club would have to be able get exclusive bonuses, tournament invites, maybe deals to test new features of existing sites for a pay.
If you want to share stories, you can do it here.

But do they actually need to join those club? maybe for high roller yes but how could they able to convince those guys to join there club? This people are provably busy on other important matters and joining a group. But if they can offer something good benefits that can attract them rather than making their life hard then maybe they can make this group bigger, but for now it seems that majority doesn't like the idea since they don't know if this group is beneficial to them. Maybe if there's one influential person will handle the group maybe they can make this to happen but for just like this I guess there's zero chance that this possible group will proceed since trust is the main concern by people here.

Well, when things happen , in Some cases it may appear that help is Needed with a particular Problem with casinos. I have seen many times the Stories that there are always problems with KYC, with VPNs you can create a very Large force to that a better Issue can be Generated for the defense of the players, because I have seen the Casinos they always Agree with them, even when the player is right, it is difficult, with the screenshots it is possible to Argue , but if the Person He doesn't take the screenshots, So how can he fight Well ? If it is a Novice Person without any kind of projection or anything, then in that case the players lose the case, when in reality they have Been the ones who are the victims, in this Order of Ideas we could make a lot of Difference if there is a good Support from others, if not in that Case we Cannot do Anything , it is Better to have a Force, but of Course, fight for just causes, because fight when there is something that is not , Because Nothing can be done.

We could have many ways to Defend Ourselves, but the Unions Always have an importance and a greater Voice than they can Hear , Of course it is a completely Transparent Union , not that it Becomes any source of pure Corruption that also lends Itself to that , So you Cannot do seven types of acts, this is what you have to have a lot of Reputation to be able to have a High degree of trust, and that is difficult , However we must always take Refuge in the Best that can help us for Any type of Problem, in this case a Union like this could Help us a lot, as Long as, as I Said before , the Focus of the Problem can be Resolved quickly, and thus the problem of any player has more relevance in Any casino, which for My that would be great, oh a lot with KYC, with VPN, with those things.

As long there would really be no solid proofs then there's no way that we could really be able to tell that it is really that something that on sites fault when it comes or in correlatin to this. This is why on the time that there are some issues or complaints had been reaised then it would really be just that so normal that the community would really be seeking out those sufficient proofs so that the community itself could really be able to decide
on tagging up a particular platform to be shady or scam but most cases we do have here on this market or forum is that with those issues been raised which turns out that this is most likely a user-related kind of errors
or mistakes or violations on which i turns out that they are really just assuming on getting the publics sympathy in regarding into their situation but it do looks like that it do get backfired into them.

It is really just that too impossible that a certain known casino platform would really be making out actions on which they do know that it could mess up or tarnish into their reputation and this is why
on the time that there are some issues been raised then it is most likely it is really just that not that a solid thing for it to be getting blamed into the platform.
Gamblers union specially into those people who do been affected with issues and trying out to go against with these via in groups? There's no way that you could
gain something from this.

[LUCKMCFLY]

You may have good intentions but I doubt if it's going to work because, in reality, it's hard to bind gamblers have you seen a big Gamblers union offline I don't think there exists, there's such a thing as a club but I doubt if it's possible to establish a Union, and how do you manage it by asking fee so they can fight their cause in case they lose and they lose because of their addiction and they just want to recover their losses, your intention is good but you're going to face many issues that gamblers are the one bringing.

For people to join such club they'd need some common goal, some benefit of this whole thing. Like a book reader's club shares reviews of books they read and recommend them to others. They also lend books to each other, so both these things make members of the club waste less time on bad titles and less money on books other members can give them for free.
What would a gambling club member benefit from? The club would have to be able get exclusive bonuses, tournament invites, maybe deals to test new features of existing sites for a pay.
If you want to share stories, you can do it here.

But do they actually need to join those club? maybe for high roller yes but how could they able to convince those guys to join there club? This people are provably busy on other important matters and joining a group. But if they can offer something good benefits that can attract them rather than making their life hard then maybe they can make this group bigger, but for now it seems that majority doesn't like the idea since they don't know if this group is beneficial to them. Maybe if there's one influential person will handle the group maybe they can make this to happen but for just like this I guess there's zero chance that this possible group will proceed since trust is the main concern by people here.

Well, when things happen , in Some cases it may appear that help is Needed with a particular Problem with casinos. I have seen many times the Stories that there are always problems with KYC, with VPNs you can create a very Large force to that a better Issue can be Generated for the defense of the players, because I have seen the Casinos they always Agree with them, even when the player is right, it is difficult, with the screenshots it is possible to Argue , but if the Person He doesn't take the screenshots, So how can he fight Well ? If it is a Novice Person without any kind of projection or anything, then in that case the players lose the case, when in reality they have Been the ones who are the victims, in this Order of Ideas we could make a lot of Difference if there is a good Support from others, if not in that Case we Cannot do Anything , it is Better to have a Force, but of Course, fight for just causes, because fight when there is something that is not , Because Nothing can be done.

We could have many ways to Defend Ourselves, but the Unions Always have an importance and a greater Voice than they can Hear , Of course it is a completely Transparent Union , not that it Becomes any source of pure Corruption that also lends Itself to that , So you Cannot do seven types of acts, this is what you have to have a lot of Reputation to be able to have a High degree of trust, and that is difficult , However we must always take Refuge in the Best that can help us for Any type of Problem, in this case a Union like this could Help us a lot, as Long as, as I Said before , the Focus of the Problem can be Resolved quickly, and thus the problem of any player has more relevance in Any casino, which for My that would be great, oh a lot with KYC, with VPN, with those things.

As long there would really be no solid proofs then there's no way that we could really be able to tell that it is really that something that on sites fault when it comes or in correlatin to this. This is why on the time that there are some issues or complaints had been reaised then it would really be just that so normal that the community would really be seeking out those sufficient proofs so that the community itself could really be able to decide
on tagging up a particular platform to be shady or scam but most cases we do have here on this market or forum is that with those issues been raised which turns out that this is most likely a user-related kind of errors
or mistakes or violations on which i turns out that they are really just assuming on getting the publics sympathy in regarding into their situation but it do looks like that it do get backfired into them.

It is really just that too impossible that a certain known casino platform would really be making out actions on which they do know that it could mess up or tarnish into their reputation and this is why
on the time that there are some issues been raised then it is most likely it is really just that not that a solid thing for it to be getting blamed into the platform.
Gamblers union specially into those people who do been affected with issues and trying out to go against with these via in groups? There's no way that you could
gain something from this.

From the point of view that there may be a union that can help fight for just cases, if it is good that it exists, as you say, it is very difficult for a platform to have an error like that, but it can occur, as I have said. , it is a system, and systems sometimes fail, and this can cause many misunderstandings, suddenly if we are playing in a casino and then we go to a slot machine, suddenly in the slots I have a balance of 20usd and I start playing and I get a profit of 2000-2500usd and I want to withdraw it, then they tell me that I can't withdraw it because it turns out that the slot machine had a bug and it was a total mistake that I had won that, and they don't give it to me but they take away my balance, which would we think? obviously the casino robbed me, oh it was a bug, but it wasn't my fault, so how could it not be my fault and I won, because if I had lost then the casino doesn't tell me, we will refund the money you lost in slot did we have a mistake? No, then sometimes things like that have happened and that is a reason to complain, fight and for the casino to assume the consequence.

Many casinos now rely on the Tos, and this has caused a lot of surprise, because now they say that the casino can change the Tos like this because it suits them, and that is not correct, because that is why one accepts their registration contracts where these Tos are established, and the worst thing is that I have seen users, players, or well I don't know if they are actually players who say that they agree to change the Tos at the convenience of the casino, so that is not Right, for me things like that are not right, because then what are Coughs for? There are many things that do need to be fought and raised, I consider that this may be something that could have a but if it comes from a union from Bitcointalk it would have a lot of weight, of course this of defending cases that are totally well established and argued with their evidence, where it is determined that the client or player is right.

[slapper]

~snip~

From the point of view that there may be a union that can help fight for just cases, if it is good that it exists, as you say, it is very difficult for a platform to have an error like that, but it can occur, as I have said. , it is a system, and systems sometimes fail, and this can cause many misunderstandings, suddenly if we are playing in a casino and then we go to a slot machine, suddenly in the slots I have a balance of 20usd and I start playing and I get a profit of 2000-2500usd and I want to withdraw it, then they tell me that I can't withdraw it because it turns out that the slot machine had a bug and it was a total mistake that I had won that, and they don't give it to me but they take away my balance, which would we think? obviously the casino robbed me, oh it was a bug, but it wasn't my fault, so how could it not be my fault and I won, because if I had lost then the casino doesn't tell me, we will refund the money you lost in slot did we have a mistake? No, then sometimes things like that have happened and that is a reason to complain, fight and for the casino to assume the consequence.

Many casinos now rely on the Tos, and this has caused a lot of surprise, because now they say that the casino can change the Tos like this because it suits them, and that is not correct, because that is why one accepts their registration contracts where these Tos are established, and the worst thing is that I have seen users, players, or well I don't know if they are actually players who say that they agree to change the Tos at the convenience of the casino, so that is not Right, for me things like that are not right, because then what are Coughs for? There are many things that do need to be fought and raised, I consider that this may be something that could have a but if it comes from a union from Bitcointalk it would have a lot of weight, of course this of defending cases that are totally well established and argued with their evidence, where it is determined that the client or player is right.

When playing, real money, real aspirations, and real dreams are put in play. Therefore, when a system error occurs and you win, it is not just about the money, but also about the principle! If you win due to a system error and they do not honour it, it is as if they are stealing your dreams. And that is not correct, not at all correct
If casinos can just change the Tos whenever they feel like it, what's the point of having them in the first place? This is equivalent to saying, "Hey, we have rules, but we can change them whenever we want." That is simply not fair. And individuals, actual people, who say they approve of these alterations? Perhaps they do not comprehend the significance of the situation, or perhaps they are overly trusting. But trust me, it's not appropriate
If there's a union from Bitcointalk that can step in and help, then that's fantastic! They would have the weight, authority, and ability to make a significant difference. But keep in mind that it's not only about winning or losing; it's also about fairness, justice, and standing up for what's right

[Nrcewker]

Definitely your intentions are great, but I felt like there is currently no need of this. We have been encircled with many social medias already. So I highly doubt anyone will show more interest in something like this. Moreover we have also a specific section here in the forum to solve issues like this, where people share how casinos cheat them. You can post about your issue in this Scam Accusation section. If a casino is legit then definitely they will solve this issue. So i feel currently there is no need.

[Dimitri94]

You have good intentions I hope you will not follow it up with asking for funds from those who are interested, why the need to create, and why you, gamblers choose to be independent I have not heard of a gamblers association online if it is about complaint there are already platforms for that and this includes this forum.

There's also a possibility of deceit because players will come to you with bad intentions to just use your platform to demand or extort casinos, I don't think it's a good idea better just launch a review site it's not complicated and it will save you from the many headaches.

I also think the OP's intention is good. He wants the gamblers not to be disrespected in any way. If there is any such behavior then everyone can prevent it by forming a unity. But it is not possible to implement such initiatives in online casinos. Everyone is different  and it is difficult to organize any action against them. However, if we can solve those issues through the forum without taking action in this way, then the matter will not be able to take a complicated shape. I think that is the best solution if we can get a better resolution of those issues through forum discussion through information and data.

[3kpk3]

Trying to start something like AskGamblers, SBR, OLBG etc in the crypto space? That's very, very difficult op since crypto gambling sites don't have physical locations which is why it's a lot tougher to drag them to court.

Best example in this case is 1xbit which is still operating even though many, many punters tried ending their business, but failed sadly.

[paxmao]

Trying to start something like AskGamblers, SBR, OLBG etc in the crypto space? That's very, very difficult op since crypto gambling sites don't have physical locations which is why it's a lot tougher to drag them to court.

Best example in this case is 1xbit which is still operating even though many, many punters tried ending their business, but failed sadly.

The OP would need to create a community and that works usually by either having a massive interest in the subject and creating a momentum in social interest or by spending money to grab traction, which is probably not that interesting if there is not a clear long term view to capture users and eventually have them paying for the information or monetising somehow else.

[LUCKMCFLY]

~snip~

From the point of view that there may be a union that can help fight for just cases, if it is good that it exists, as you say, it is very difficult for a platform to have an error like that, but it can occur, as I have said. , it is a system, and systems sometimes fail, and this can cause many misunderstandings, suddenly if we are playing in a casino and then we go to a slot machine, suddenly in the slots I have a balance of 20usd and I start playing and I get a profit of 2000-2500usd and I want to withdraw it, then they tell me that I can't withdraw it because it turns out that the slot machine had a bug and it was a total mistake that I had won that, and they don't give it to me but they take away my balance, which would we think? obviously the casino robbed me, oh it was a bug, but it wasn't my fault, so how could it not be my fault and I won, because if I had lost then the casino doesn't tell me, we will refund the money you lost in slot did we have a mistake? No, then sometimes things like that have happened and that is a reason to complain, fight and for the casino to assume the consequence.

Many casinos now rely on the Tos, and this has caused a lot of surprise, because now they say that the casino can change the Tos like this because it suits them, and that is not correct, because that is why one accepts their registration contracts where these Tos are established, and the worst thing is that I have seen users, players, or well I don't know if they are actually players who say that they agree to change the Tos at the convenience of the casino, so that is not Right, for me things like that are not right, because then what are Coughs for? There are many things that do need to be fought and raised, I consider that this may be something that could have a but if it comes from a union from Bitcointalk it would have a lot of weight, of course this of defending cases that are totally well established and argued with their evidence, where it is determined that the client or player is right.

When playing, real money, real aspirations, and real dreams are put in play. Therefore, when a system error occurs and you win, it is not just about the money, but also about the principle! If you win due to a system error and they do not honour it, it is as if they are stealing your dreams. And that is not correct, not at all correct
If casinos can just change the Tos whenever they feel like it, what's the point of having them in the first place? This is equivalent to saying, "Hey, we have rules, but we can change them whenever we want." That is simply not fair. And individuals, actual people, who say they approve of these alterations? Perhaps they do not comprehend the significance of the situation, or perhaps they are overly trusting. But trust me, it's not appropriate
If there's a union from Bitcointalk that can step in and help, then that's fantastic! They would have the weight, authority, and ability to make a significant difference. But keep in mind that it's not only about winning or losing; it's also about fairness, justice, and standing up for what's right

Of course, when things are like this they can happen with a better position, it is true what you say, when a person has this type of problem, it cannot happen like this, a system error that makes us pay, but if the error had been in against us, do they return the money? I don't know, this is very debatable, I would believe that the casinos with the greatest reputation in the forum would return the money, but the casinos that are new and don't have that much time could be very different when it comes to these cases, they want money, they want to win, it is their business, although I consider this something like a theft, when a casino has this type of problem, to avoid problems, what it should do is assume that as a loss, every mistake that there is in a casino is responsible. of the casino and you must assume it as such, that is what it should be.

There are casinos that when they start or do it in an unprecedented way, in style, with great capital and with a lot of Desire to get ahead , those casinos do well, but there are times when there are many casinos that start and do not have enough capital and they intend to capitalize on the customers who register at the casino, that seems to me to be a very reckless practice, for some it turns out well, for others it doesn't, however this is something that I do not Recommend , because they are basically sticking to something that It is not safe, something that Cannot bring them good Results , then when they start to see it is very easy for a caisnoq to apply this top strategy because they will quickly go bankrupt, with a whale that makes a very strong bet, because they will win And where are they going to get the money to pay them? That is what we consider to be a very risky practice, so for a casino many things must be done , and the most important for me is that there is good capital so that they can do things with more order, And no, when there is no capital it is best not to Invent anything and wait until you have something considerable.

[Dunamisx]

Trying to start something like AskGamblers, SBR, OLBG etc in the crypto space? That's very, very difficult op since crypto gambling sites don't have physical locations which is why it's a lot tougher to drag them to court.

I don't even think we needed all these when everyone is basically busy and much more concerned about himself and how he gambles, what should i think about at this period than myself instead of joining a union kind of group that will end up monetizing you or posting irrelevant activities and scam, why do i need to join a group when even if they have a physical representation doesn't guarantee their fairness or trust.

[Youngkhngdiddy]

I don't even think we needed all these when everyone is basically busy and much more concerned about himself and how he gambles, what should i think about at this period than myself instead of joining a union kind of group that will end up monetizing you or posting irrelevant activities and scam, why do i need to join a group when even if they have a physical representation doesn't guarantee their fairness or trust.

 I don’t see the need for the union, because for you to register you need to be 18 years old, and you know the responsibilities of gambling,  the fact that this union creates rules and laws will caught the fun of people gambling. Some people prefer to work alone and make decisions by their self and the freedom of choices.  Decisions making will be slow in the union because they will have to pass nor discuss any decisions among officials, not every decision is agreed by the party thus making it slow and difficult to make people to join.
  Trust issues too may arise and when there is a mismanagement of funds by officials. Making it difficult for people to trust the union. A lot of complication may arise during their meetings, disagreement may occur between members. It’s really not necessary in my ends having the union when. Different platforms with different rules, so it’s best one stick to it favorite platform to avoid complications.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Trying to start something like AskGamblers, SBR, OLBG etc in the crypto space? That's very, very difficult op since crypto gambling sites don't have physical locations which is why it's a lot tougher to drag them to court.

I don't even think we needed all these when everyone is basically busy and much more concerned about himself and how he gambles, what should i think about at this period than myself instead of joining a union kind of group that will end up monetizing you or posting irrelevant activities and scam, why do i need to join a group when even if they have a physical representation doesn't guarantee their fairness or trust.

What they say is Very true, we must see all the possibilities of Doing things better and one of these is what they are stating, but it would be good to give it some Credibility, and although things are strong enough to confront certain places, what I think what should be taken into consideration is that this is made up of people who are in DT1, Because I have seen that the majority seem to have a lot of knowledge and defend themselves like lawyers, where by the way they defend themselves, some of them are Lawyers, judges, or something like that, because they have a lot of Arguments when they speak and that is what is sought, to have a strong disagreement, but I do not consider that it should be done Outside the forum, I think the best thing is to do it here in the forum where they study the case and where everyone can participate, so the Difficult thing here is that DT1 can be Converted to Join a noble cause like this, where groups are not included by whtas spp, telegram, or any other means of communication.

If something like this can be established here in the forum, we believe that this will Become very interesting, because the majority of people who are in the forum specialize in each thing, some to unmask scammers , others who evaluate the status of the forum and What should behandled well is that in the forum the scam part is not moderated, which makes it somewhat difficult to act with relationships, and I think I understand the Point of this rule because we are judges in judging, but we can have a means of protection, then I think that if it is seen from that point of view it would be something good and that it can be studied in its totality, so every time I use do something how this has to be considered that we as people must know what we are getting into, because the association if it later turns out to be fraudulent or does not meet Expectations , a person who will be risking his reputation to the maximum and that is not a good thing, all crazy, Otherwise ,  I really find it difficult if Something like that happens.

[paxmao]

You have good intentions I hope you will not follow it up with asking for funds from those who are interested, why the need to create, and why you, gamblers choose to be independent I have not heard of a gamblers association online if it is about complaint there are already platforms for that and this includes this forum.

There's also a possibility of deceit because players will come to you with bad intentions to just use your platform to demand or extort casinos, I don't think it's a good idea better just launch a review site it's not complicated and it will save you from the many headaches.

I also think the OP's intention is good. He wants the gamblers not to be disrespected in any way. If there is any such behavior then everyone can prevent it by forming a unity. But it is not possible to implement such initiatives in online casinos. Everyone is different  and it is difficult to organize any action against them. However, if we can solve those issues through the forum without taking action in this way, then the matter will not be able to take a complicated shape. I think that is the best solution if we can get a better resolution of those issues through forum discussion through information and data.

I think it would be much better to create some short of self-regulation body that could actually certify the sites and give a rating for the practices from a neutral perspective. That is how it is done in many other business areas and industries - by having a third party auditing and checking the legal practices, how they manage their clients and the reputation in general.

[Kakmakr]

Well, a Union might not be the correct platform for something like this....

Most Unions ask people to pay membership fees and they pay their salaries with that and do almost nothing for their members. I think you have it spot on to developing social media platforms for people to air their problems with casinos and also to create unbiased review sites to review these casinos.

I hope you can stay biased with your platforms and not use this to take revenge on casinos like Stake.com for what they have done to you. 

[Sunderland]

In theory it might possible and yeah looking good in the paper, but in reality this union wont solve anything at all.

How to verify that all of the members are legit players? Many abusers and butthurt players will use it to threat casinos, and thats it.
Nothing more can be done by this union and casinos definitely will ignore it.

There are better ways to bring the dispute between player and the casino - casinoguru, askgambler, btcgosu and many more.

[CryptSafe]

In theory it might possible and yeah looking good in the paper, but in reality this union wont solve anything at all.

How to verify that all of the members are legit players? Many abusers and butthurt players will use it to threat casinos, and thats it.
Nothing more can be done by this union and casinos definitely will ignore it.

There are better ways to bring the dispute between player and the casino - casinoguru, askgambler, btcgosu and many more.

There is every possibility that they might be frustrated by the casinos because the casinos already are licenced and are business ventures and have policies of age participation and as a matter of fact, you must agree to their terms and conditions before signing up with them so therefore, dragging them anywhere is likely going to be fruitless because you already signed up by accepting the terms of service. I believe some gamblers would want to use this opportunity to drag them but I think they would not be able to do such unless it is a well reputable Union that has long been existing with large number of followers or fan base just like the names you have mentioned already.

[so98nn]

There are actually multiple theories behind this happening. Consider the scenario where a player who has reached the max level in a casino might start expecting overpaid returns because of their ego and then they might try to outrun the system. This is in the hope of getting more money back quickly that they might have lost in the trail of different levels. Then such players would come out crying when they get banned because they tried to cheat the system.

Secondly, there could be players who from the beginning start to cheat the system. This makes it worse for the genuine players also. It's like one bad guy makes the whole group look like jerks. The result? Well system tries to make itself stricter toward the players. Even the slightest doubt can end our accounts in the ban zone. Sometimes it could be human error too.

So what I am saying is, it may not be entirely casinos' fault but it could be others too.

But yeah having such union can help but it needs to roadmapped properly.

[Hispo]

In theory it might possible and yeah looking good in the paper, but in reality this union wont solve anything at all.

How to verify that all of the members are legit players? Many abusers and butthurt players will use it to threat casinos, and thats it.
Nothing more can be done by this union and casinos definitely will ignore it.

There are better ways to bring the dispute between player and the casino - casinoguru, askgambler, btcgosu and many more.

Also, assuming someone would actually try and create an union for gamblers, it would probably mean that those who belong to the union would be asked to give a small fee so the union can fund itself and it's operations, as it happens with traditional unions in the real life, that being said, I am not sure how willing some gamblers would be to give a small fee to the union, specially if that union asked for some fixed percentage of a jackpot or win a gambler could have in a lucky streak.
Sadly, just organization would be abused by people who do not understand how casinos and randomness work, to try to damage the reputation of actually good services, not even mentioning many of the members would be people suffering from problem gambling and hence having problems to comply with the union fee.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Well, in as much as you have good intentions, I would rather but ask, what is it that you really want to create that this forum don't already proffer a solution to? You want to create, maybe a decentralized community on the web that you can refer to as a gambling union, where user than post or complain about any casinos wrong doings,  or the behaviors of a casino towards the player, that makes the player feel disrespected.

The above is really a good thought and idea, but unfortunately, I would personally advice you find some other project with better chances of success and get yourself immensed in that, for the type of community you want to build can actually be formed here on bitcointalk, yes, the forum is centralized, but rest assured that posts are not sensored, as long as users obey the rules, and make their posts in the appropriate board.

[Oilacris]

In theory it might possible and yeah looking good in the paper, but in reality this union wont solve anything at all.

How to verify that all of the members are legit players? Many abusers and butthurt players will use it to threat casinos, and thats it.
Nothing more can be done by this union and casinos definitely will ignore it.

There are better ways to bring the dispute between player and the casino - casinoguru, askgambler, btcgosu and many more.

Also, assuming someone would actually try and create an union for gamblers, it would probably mean that those who belong to the union would be asked to give a small fee so the union can fund itself and it's operations, as it happens with traditional unions in the real life, that being said, I am not sure how willing some gamblers would be to give a small fee to the union, specially if that union asked for some fixed percentage of a jackpot or win a gambler could have in a lucky streak.
Sadly, just organization would be abused by people who do not understand how casinos and randomness work, to try to damage the reputation of actually good services, not even mentioning many of the members would be people suffering from problem gambling and hence having problems to comply with the union fee.

Having some strict compliance about having that union fee or something that would really be compulsory? It is true that making up some movement with this kind of union or possible operations would really be that so hard when it doesnt have funds, therefore, there are no other ways but only this kind of method on which they could be able to accumulate funding then its possible but
same as you said that it would really be neither creating that kind of problem for other gamblers which they would be needing to have that donation and the rest might really be just
simply quit and leave because of such rule. This is why i dont really see for this union to be quite that relevant.Understandable that having some aims and goals that needs to achieve
but not all the time it would be turning out to be justifiable as long there would really be no evidences that would be present out.Also, losses are inevitable and
excuses could really be that easily made out.

[robelneo]

I am planning to make a Website, Socials and a lot more, people who arent getting heard will get heard, the different stories will get heard and hopefully a lot of cases will be solved by presenting this to the brighter audience.

I thank everyone who read this so far, i am really excited to see where this discussion will lead into.

Gambling and gamblers are not like an employer-employee situation where you need to set up a union with implementing rules and framework to operate, all we need is a community like this where we openly discuss the status of certain casinos, and the casino industry in general, the players just need to have a good time many of these players are here just to enjoy and they don't make a living in gambling, that's too much pressure already for having an obligation to a so-called union when all they want is to have fun.
If there are valid reports on one casino there are review sites and mediators willing to mediate and we have communities where they support players who have issues, all I know is you have a hidden agenda like you want a position in a gambling community so you can cast your influence.

[Hispo]

In theory it might possible and yeah looking good in the paper, but in reality this union wont solve anything at all.

How to verify that all of the members are legit players? Many abusers and butthurt players will use it to threat casinos, and thats it.
Nothing more can be done by this union and casinos definitely will ignore it.

There are better ways to bring the dispute between player and the casino - casinoguru, askgambler, btcgosu and many more.

Also, assuming someone would actually try and create an union for gamblers, it would probably mean that those who belong to the union would be asked to give a small fee so the union can fund itself and it's operations, as it happens with traditional unions in the real life, that being said, I am not sure how willing some gamblers would be to give a small fee to the union, specially if that union asked for some fixed percentage of a jackpot or win a gambler could have in a lucky streak.
Sadly, just organization would be abused by people who do not understand how casinos and randomness work, to try to damage the reputation of actually good services, not even mentioning many of the members would be people suffering from problem gambling and hence having problems to comply with the union fee.

Having some strict compliance about having that union fee or something that would really be compulsory? It is true that making up some movement with this kind of union or possible operations would really be that so hard when it doesnt have funds, therefore, there are no other ways but only this kind of method on which they could be able to accumulate funding then its possible but
same as you said that it would really be neither creating that kind of problem for other gamblers which they would be needing to have that donation and the rest might really be just
simply quit and leave because of such rule. This is why i dont really see for this union to be quite that relevant.Understandable that having some aims and goals that needs to achieve
but not all the time it would be turning out to be justifiable as long there would really be no evidences that would be present out.Also, losses are inevitable and
excuses could really be that easily made out.

Correct, even if we assumed that somehow a gambler union managed to stockpile money from gamblers (who are part of the so-called "union") there would not be a realiable way to use those funds properly to improve the experience or even solve cases where gamblers are having actual problems with casino operators. Because, whether we like it or not, there will be always people who will claim a casino is being unfair or is scaming them, without providing good evidence of it, those cases could be used by ill-intentioned people to start rumors against reputable casinos, because unsustained claims.
I am sure you have seen some of those people I am talking about before, imagine what would happen if they were part of a group of gamblers which is actually funded, there would be the beginning of an unfair campaign against a casino, because one of their gamblers lost a lot of money and ended up being a sore loser.

[pinggoki]

I feel like Casinos held each player for replaceable at some point. But Thats not right, thats not in accordance with Responsible Gambling in my opinion. There is so much space, so much can be done individually and from casinos to make it user friendlier. Not beeing scared to ask something to live support, not beeing scared that your account might get closed becaused you just discuss with people, the fact that so many gamblers feel not heard because cs is answering to wrong questions, casinos tend to answer with weeks of delay.

That's how casinos work, they really don't care about their players even if they're high rollers and that's how you should do business, you should never be attached to your customers no matter how long they have played for you and they know that people come and go so they don't experience having to beg for someone to just play for them unless that person is the 0.1% in the high rollers then maybe it's justified that you're going to care for them because that person could be making half of the profit that your casino got, I think that if the players have read the terms and conditions that the casino has given, they wouldn't be so confused, frustrated or mad that the casino has let go of them. I can see where you're coming at when it comes to this but we have to respect that they're running a business, now unless they're treating you unfairly you have no cause to be mad or angry with their decisions, sometimes things happen.

I really believe that Gamblers wich come together and justify on certain aspects have more weight and get heard to a larger audience to make these issues known and visible, without visibility there is no way of change. a Gamblers Union who represents the rights of Gamblers in general would really change a lot of things wich are wrong these days.

A union of players don't sound bad but you need to gather a lot of members and when I mean by a lot, I mean around hundreds of thousands if not millions because a few players is not a loss to this casinos, there's over a million of players worldwide and they can just shrug off the union, if you really need that union to be heard and have a voice, you are better off having that number that I gave you.

[Dunamisx]

You have good intentions I hope you will not follow it up with asking for funds from those who are interested, why the need to create, and why you, gamblers choose to be independent I have not heard of a gamblers association online if it is about complaint there are already platforms for that and this includes this forum.

There's also a possibility of deceit because players will come to you with bad intentions to just use your platform to demand or extort casinos, I don't think it's a good idea better just launch a review site it's not complicated and it will save you from the many headaches.

I also think the OP's intention is good. He wants the gamblers not to be disrespected in any way. If there is any such behavior then everyone can prevent it by forming a unity. But it is not possible to implement such initiatives in online casinos. Everyone is different  and it is difficult to organize any action against them. However, if we can solve those issues through the forum without taking action in this way, then the matter will not be able to take a complicated shape. I think that is the best solution if we can get a better resolution of those issues through forum discussion through information and data.

Each gambler is already independent on his own, then everyone should also be tied as a responsibility to the gambling casino he uses, we cannot take the cross to bear everyone's burdens at the same time, how can a single person form a group or union that bring together all gamblers from any casino or gambling platforms and all in the name of establishing a union, on what motives, agenda or purpose.

[Kemarit]

You have good intentions I hope you will not follow it up with asking for funds from those who are interested, why the need to create, and why you, gamblers choose to be independent I have not heard of a gamblers association online if it is about complaint there are already platforms for that and this includes this forum.

There's also a possibility of deceit because players will come to you with bad intentions to just use your platform to demand or extort casinos, I don't think it's a good idea better just launch a review site it's not complicated and it will save you from the many headaches.

I also think the OP's intention is good. He wants the gamblers not to be disrespected in any way. If there is any such behavior then everyone can prevent it by forming a unity. But it is not possible to implement such initiatives in online casinos. Everyone is different  and it is difficult to organize any action against them. However, if we can solve those issues through the forum without taking action in this way, then the matter will not be able to take a complicated shape. I think that is the best solution if we can get a better resolution of those issues through forum discussion through information and data.

Each gambler is already independent on his own, then everyone should also be tied as a responsibility to the gambling casino he uses, we cannot take the cross to bear everyone's burdens at the same time, how can a single person form a group or union that bring together all gamblers from any casino or gambling platforms and all in the name of establishing a union, on what motives, agenda or purpose.

Yes, this is also what I'm thinking, it's not that this is bad, but personally as I gambler, if I have a problem, I will deal with it. And if by chance is gain traction from other gamblers then good, if not I have nothing to worry about the Union and what will be their decision as far as my case goes.

I will go along with it alone, there are gamblers though, not saying all of them, but they really know that they could have violated a ToS of a casinos. But still though, they persists that they have do nothing wrong and then drag the name of the casino. And I agree that this union might just harrass any casinos for that matter as they know they have strength in numbers. So it might backfire on someone that is trying to get his money back from casinos in a legit way.

[coin-investor]

And I agree that this union might just harrass any casinos for that matter as they know they have strength in numbers. So it might backfire on someone that is trying to get his money back from casinos in a legit way.

Not only that they might ask for a cut on the players' funds that they are demanding from casinos, but the name union may sound good, as their plan but in reality, we all know union can only be used on labor-related issues, gamblers are not laborers they are people who just want to have fun and they don't want any obligation to any organizations.
There's also a possibility of corruption when it gains a lot of power and this is not good for the gambling industry, they may even promote gambling casinos that will give in to their demand.
I'm okay with unions, I am part of a union also but it's not applicable when it comes to gambling, all we need is a feedback community, there's no hassle with this and the gamblers have no obligation to post their views and feedback.

[iv4n]

And I agree that this union might just harrass any casinos for that matter as they know they have strength in numbers. So it might backfire on someone that is trying to get his money back from casinos in a legit way.

Not only that they might ask for a cut on the players' funds that they are demanding from casinos, but the name union may sound good, as their plan but in reality, we all know union can only be used on labor-related issues, gamblers are not laborers they are people who just want to have fun and they don't want any obligation to any organizations.
There's also a possibility of corruption when it gains a lot of power and this is not good for the gambling industry, they may even promote gambling casinos that will give in to their demand.
I'm okay with unions, I am part of a union also but it's not applicable when it comes to gambling, all we need is a feedback community, there's no hassle with this and the gamblers have no obligation to post their views and feedback.

Maybe this idea is good, but the OP has not been active for more than a month. That's the thing with ideas, many of us have various ideas, but realizing an idea and making it work in the long run is something else entirely. And when it's come to the realization and keeping the idea working is where most of us fail... sad truth.

Until now, except for this forum, at least some high-ranked and trusted members, and BTCGosu, I haven't seen anyone else protecting crypto gamblers.

[Oilacris]

And I agree that this union might just harrass any casinos for that matter as they know they have strength in numbers. So it might backfire on someone that is trying to get his money back from casinos in a legit way.

Not only that they might ask for a cut on the players' funds that they are demanding from casinos, but the name union may sound good, as their plan but in reality, we all know union can only be used on labor-related issues, gamblers are not laborers they are people who just want to have fun and they don't want any obligation to any organizations.
There's also a possibility of corruption when it gains a lot of power and this is not good for the gambling industry, they may even promote gambling casinos that will give in to their demand.
I'm okay with unions, I am part of a union also but it's not applicable when it comes to gambling, all we need is a feedback community, there's no hassle with this and the gamblers have no obligation to post their views and feedback.

Maybe this idea is good, but the OP has not been active for more than a month. That's the thing with ideas, many of us have various ideas, but realizing an idea and making it work in the long run is something else entirely. And when it's come to the realization and keeping the idea working is where most of us fail... sad truth.

Until now, except for this forum, at least some high-ranked and trusted members, and BTCGosu, I haven't seen anyone else protecting crypto gamblers.

Protecting from what?Knowing that BTCGOSU is really just that a guidesite, yes it is really that helpful but in terms of those protections or in discussion with those kind of possible plans then i dont see about relevance. Its not really that shocking about to those people who do make out some threads and then suddenly they do become inactive or just leaving out some threads
but doesnt have the plans or time on making out some responses after the community do make out those kind of replies and sharing up their ideas and other sentiments.
Going back into that concern about having a union then i dont really see for it to be that something to be that possible knowing that it cant really be that
just that going to happen for users to have that union and planning to those those counter steps against platforms or really that tending to support those losers?
For what reason? What we do really tend to achieve on such act?

[alani123]

I'm pretty sure that there already exists consumer unions that you can sign up for a small annual subscription and enjoy services like lawyer advice and discounted court costs when needed.

But these tricks are going to be effective for casinos and gambling establishments domiciled in your jurisdiction. For casinos that are mostly or only accepting bets in crypto and operating outside of national gambling licensing schemes then there's little that can be done. First of all crypto payments are irreversible, and secondly casinos that are operating under nested Curacao governments for instance have very little presence or none at all in cuaracao, usually with their legal address (if there is one) being just some rented space.

So if you want realistic results against any such casino, the best case would be to try and hold them accountable publicly, in case they start caring about their image more than just the money they might owe you. But really even unions have certain limits. You have to form a union for serious goals and causes, can't just do it for anything. If people are losing money, it's something that makes sense to pursue. Someone losing their account is something casinos have been doing ever since they came around, online and offline. They can kick you out for whatever reason they want. Even no reason at all. If that happens without you losing anything, then I don't think it's a cause to pursue with a potential union...

[Dunamisx]

And I agree that this union might just harrass any casinos for that matter as they know they have strength in numbers. So it might backfire on someone that is trying to get his money back from casinos in a legit way.

Not only that they might ask for a cut on the players' funds that they are demanding from casinos, but the name union may sound good, as their plan but in reality, we all know union can only be used on labor-related issues, gamblers are not laborers they are people who just want to have fun and they don't want any obligation to any organizations.
There's also a possibility of corruption when it gains a lot of power and this is not good for the gambling industry, they may even promote gambling casinos that will give in to their demand.
I'm okay with unions, I am part of a union also but it's not applicable when it comes to gambling, all we need is a feedback community, there's no hassle with this and the gamblers have no obligation to post their views and feedback.

Exactly and well said, using the word union maybe is what is killing the whole idea of what OP might be trying to come up with, gamblers are not tied to using a particular single casino then why should they have a union whose course could not be well define and can make nothing to help the gamblers experience than to expose each challenged users through various forms of attacks, maybe this should be a group or platform for gambling discussion than union because it will be difficult to get people interested in this kind.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I am planning to make a Website, Socials and a lot more, people who arent getting heard will get heard, the different stories will get heard and hopefully a lot of cases will be solved by presenting this to the brighter audience.

I thank everyone who read this so far, i am really excited to see where this discussion will lead into.

Gambling and gamblers are not like an employer-employee situation where you need to set up a union with implementing rules and framework to operate, all we need is a community like this where we openly discuss the status of certain casinos, and the casino industry in general, the players just need to have a good time many of these players are here just to enjoy and they don't make a living in gambling, that's too much pressure already for having an obligation to a so-called union when all they want is to have fun.
If there are valid reports on one casino there are review sites and mediators willing to mediate and we have communities where they support players who have issues, all I know is you have a hidden agenda like you want a position in a gambling community so you can cast your influence.

Well, when we are making more options to Establish Something that can be Difficult to solve, things can be very difficult for some, because there are times when things in a casino for some users in particular tend to be very unfair, and not conisgiehuenm the necessary support, I think that sometimes users do this type of thing to have a better style of defense against a casino, because in everything that is necessary for a casino to pay something unfair, well, if it is not a user from bitcointalk I recognized that it is easy to ignore it, even so with all the Caputre and things Necessary to prove that the caisno was wrong, they do not fix it but leave it like that, so I think that on that side, it is good to have Something like a union of defense, in terms of the community and everything they can contribute is also the most, only that the Community does not have any duty to operate with the affected person , then the Responsibility of the People in the union would be to advocate for the rights of the players who They have or have robbed a casino at some time, obviously the casinos that do this are casinos that do not have the Reputation or the Level of trust of the largest ones.

This is something that can be established because it Would be a Larger force that is Born here in this forum precisely to defend cases that have not been solved, and in some way they put pressure, that is what is expected, but since so many new casinos have emerged Well, it's easy for some people to be established who want to take advantage. You can't completely rule out someone's investments to do harm, just as there are players who are like that, there can also be Malicious people who do it, that's something. key and that may be very true, in fact there are casinos that Meet many specifications of being up to date with licenses and Everything, but they are not completely legal, that is why you must be very Aware.

[Dunamisx]

Having a union is just as working under a centralized institution or organizations that have control over your actions and decisions, we may not have that desired freedom because we are tied to some responsibilities and regulations under the union we may belong, we cannot say that there's no other benefits they may be offering but comparing it with what most gamblers want is like going for another thing entirely different.

[wallet4bitcoin]

Hi There,


I have gained a lot of Experience over the Years regarding Online Casinos, and the System in wich Casinos are working by. Sometimes you win really big and everything is perfect, but sometimes you lose and all of a sudden you feel treated unfairly.

I had Similar Situations back in the Days, my account as Stake with Diamond Rank was closed just because i was discussing with a Live support worker. The thing wich had me really dissapointed wasnt even though that the account got closed, it was more the Lack of respect i received by the Casino in this matter. I feel like Casinos are forgetting to treat players with respect in some points, a lot of people might just talk to Live support or send a mail in to comprehend their feelings of loss at a live casino but sometimes people just want to be treated fairly, players have certain interests wich are not always unjustified. But Casinos tend to ignore these kind of problems and just give you Copy & Paste answers.


I feel like Casinos held each player for replaceable at some point. But Thats not right, thats not in accordance with Responsible Gambling in my opinion. There is so much space, so much can be done individually and from casinos to make it user friendlier. Not beeing scared to ask something to live support, not beeing scared that your account might get closed becaused you just discuss with people, the fact that so many gamblers feel not heard because cs is answering to wrong questions, casinos tend to answer with weeks of delay.

I really believe that Gamblers wich come together and justify on certain aspects have more weight and get heard to a larger audience to make these issues known and visible, without visibility there is no way of change. a Gamblers Union who represents the rights of Gamblers in general would really change a lot of things wich are wrong these days.

I am 100% that there are a lot of things missing in this first Post, but i am also 100% sure that atleast 1 person in the gambling space has felt at some point unfairly treated.

If you agree share this message,

I am planning to make a Website, Socials and a lot more, people who arent getting heard will get heard, the different stories will get heard and hopefully a lot of cases will be solved by presenting this to the brighter audience.

I thank everyone who read this so far, i am really excited to see where this discussion will lead into.

best regards

Moonzulu

Sometimes it's always the case with support agents, they fail to understand the need to attend to customers or players with respect.  Their salaries are generated by patronage from players hence the saying, the customer is always the king but they fail to note this and therefore attend averagely to them. In cases where a players has incurred loses, he tends to be a little bit agitated and slight show of zero care can ignite anger and dislike and this isn't good for a casino's customer.

[Oilacris]

~

Sometimes it's always the case with support agents, they fail to understand the need to attend to customers or players with respect.  Their salaries are generated by patronage from players hence the saying, the customer is always the king but they fail to note this and therefore attend averagely to them. In cases where a players has incurred loses, he tends to be a little bit agitated and slight show of zero care can ignite anger and dislike and this isn't good for a casino's customer.

Site reputation or in overall impression would really be that varying into those things generally on which this isnt only that in talks about functionality but also in other aspects
as well on which reputation would really be always reflect out on how they would really be treating up gamblers whether they are winning or losing. There should really be always having that
kind of balance which we know that once people do see those kind of treatment or handling then there would really be no issues or possible problems that might
rise. Usually gamblers would really get angry on the time that they are on huge loss and this is why proper handling and understanding is a must.

[Dunamisx]

If the most the gambling platforms support or customers services are responding appropriately on every request and the gamblers as well are not making waste of this kind of opportunities, maybe we may not see the need of seeking help from external source or join a union that would later benefits from us than we do from joining, if a gambling platform cannot solve a gamblers problem or challenges, how sure are we that this could be done through formi a union if not something is behind the agenda.

[paxmao]

~

Sometimes it's always the case with support agents, they fail to understand the need to attend to customers or players with respect.  Their salaries are generated by patronage from players hence the saying, the customer is always the king but they fail to note this and therefore attend averagely to them. In cases where a players has incurred loses, he tends to be a little bit agitated and slight show of zero care can ignite anger and dislike and this isn't good for a casino's customer.

Site reputation or in overall impression would really be that varying into those things generally on which this isnt only that in talks about functionality but also in other aspects
as well on which reputation would really be always reflect out on how they would really be treating up gamblers whether they are winning or losing. There should really be always having that
kind of balance which we know that once people do see those kind of treatment or handling then there would really be no issues or possible problems that might
rise. Usually gamblers would really get angry on the time that they are on huge loss and this is why proper handling and understanding is a must.

A union could provide some short of independent audit that could potentially increase the reputation and the user trust in sites with a certain quality stamp. This would however be quite expensive and I am not sure that smaller site would be able or would be interested in paying for such a thing. A users union is not bad for legal litigation, but most dark sites will be in places where law is in their favour.

[goldkingcoiner]

I am planning to make a Website, Socials and a lot more, people who arent getting heard will get heard, the different stories will get heard and hopefully a lot of cases will be solved by presenting this to the brighter audience.

The only voice that matters is the voice with power. Casinos take legal representatives more serious than normal people. That being said, most people that are complaining of having been treated unfairly are sore losers who made big gambling losses. And you really do not want to help them troll the casino for the purpose of being petty.

Your project is an idea that was motivated by your own sense of right and wrong but I think it might be a bit misguided. If a player was treated unfairly then that player needs legal advice on how to resolve the issue. Every country has its own laws and every lawyer wants money. Unless the union has lawyers or money, I think the goal of your project might be a bit out of your scope. I mean even if you did manage to identify those players who have been treated unfairly from those who only have themselves to blame for their actions, you would still be facing the problem of your union being unable to do anything other than seek costly legal action in the end.

[Dunamisx]

A union could provide some short of independent audit that could potentially increase the reputation and the user trust in sites with a certain quality stamp. This would however be quite expensive and I am not sure that smaller site would be able or would be interested in paying for such a thing. A users union is not bad for legal litigation, but most dark sites will be in places where law is in their favour.

If a gambling union must exist or be formed, then it has to be that those that will be involved in this kind of union are the casino or gambling platforms that have their gamblers all at the same place they can all be reach virtually, then they can have a Kind of union so most of them, they were all under almost the same platform, they can have some things to discuss to their own advantage than the external ones they don't know about.

[danadc]

A union could provide some short of independent audit that could potentially increase the reputation and the user trust in sites with a certain quality stamp. This would however be quite expensive and I am not sure that smaller site would be able or would be interested in paying for such a thing. A users union is not bad for legal litigation, but most dark sites will be in places where law is in their favour.

If a gambling union must exist or be formed, then it has to be that those that will be involved in this kind of union are the casino or gambling platforms that have their gamblers all at the same place they can all be reach virtually, then they can have a Kind of union so most of them, they were all under almost the same platform, they can have some things to discuss to their own advantage than the external ones they don't know about.

This is interesting for everyone because if there is a union to be able to help Players who in some way feel that their rights have been violated or Violated against a casino , but this is something that can be very specific cases where the Casinos are really quite great at defending themselves, of course there are many players who look for a way to support the victims and leave everything as if they were the ones who have violated their rights, but considering that there are times that if a player is right he is good for this, also if he Studying these cases gives more experience to other players who see that a casino is not a platform that is feasible to deceive.

But I wonder something , where this occurs , which members would be willing to form it ? because that is like a difficult job, studying every episode that happened in the casino is something difficult, plus it would be epic at the same time if in Bitcointalk, there was its own union, that would Sound very big , it would be Something new.

[Hamphser]

A union could provide some short of independent audit that could potentially increase the reputation and the user trust in sites with a certain quality stamp. This would however be quite expensive and I am not sure that smaller site would be able or would be interested in paying for such a thing. A users union is not bad for legal litigation, but most dark sites will be in places where law is in their favour.

If a gambling union must exist or be formed, then it has to be that those that will be involved in this kind of union are the casino or gambling platforms that have their gamblers all at the same place they can all be reach virtually, then they can have a Kind of union so most of them, they were all under almost the same platform, they can have some things to discuss to their own advantage than the external ones they don't know about.

This is interesting for everyone because if there is a union to be able to help Players who in some way feel that their rights have been violated or Violated against a casino , but this is something that can be very specific cases where the Casinos are really quite great at defending themselves, of course there are many players who look for a way to support the victims and leave everything as if they were the ones who have violated their rights, but considering that there are times that if a player is right he is good for this, also if he Studying these cases gives more experience to other players who see that a casino is not a platform that is feasible to deceive.

But I wonder something , where this occurs , which members would be willing to form it ? because that is like a difficult job, studying every episode that happened in the casino is something difficult, plus it would be epic at the same time if in Bitcointalk, there was its own union, that would Sound very big , it would be Something new.

Totally that easy to say but it would really be challenging specially if it do really comes into a point that it would be needing some funding or financial back up then this is where problem would start.
How the union will really be that accumulating those funds if people wont really be able to clear up on what their vision or mission about gamblers? This wont really be that so easy.
If they could be able to help out to those gamblers who had been wrecked out by gambling then its good, but the question is, how far or what extent they will be able to last?

Gamblers case would be that common and it would be usually be in connect with addiction. Trying ot solve out which will be commonly pertaining
about gambling addiction and finances which we know that the other side isnt something that could easily to be resolved.

[Webetcoins]

If the most the gambling platforms support or customers services are responding appropriately on every request and the gamblers as well are not making waste of this kind of opportunities, maybe we may not see the need of seeking help from external source or join a union that would later benefits from us than we do from joining, if a gambling platform cannot solve a gamblers problem or challenges, how sure are we that this could be done through formi a union if not something is behind the agenda.

If only, but sadly they are not, because not all are the same. Some are shady, strict, and some are prideful. They think they are the only one that is right at all times so they only " seen " their costumers complaints and never reply to it. Maybe some union like this have a hidden agenda like they will request money from us.

I think that's fine as long as they already help us successfully. But for those who are asking a money down first, and they have no proven record that they are legit and working, I can consider that as a red flag and I will avoid it. I don't think a legit and fair gambling platform won't solve any of their costumer's issue but some are only waiting for a union like this to interfere them before they take the complaint seriously.

[Dunamisx]

If the most the gambling platforms support or customers services are responding appropriately on every request and the gamblers as well are not making waste of this kind of opportunities, maybe we may not see the need of seeking help from external source or join a union that would later benefits from us than we do from joining, if a gambling platform cannot solve a gamblers problem or challenges, how sure are we that this could be done through formi a union if not something is behind the agenda.

If only, but sadly they are not, because not all are the same. Some are shady, strict, and some are prideful. They think they are the only one that is right at all times so they only " seen " their costumers complaints and never reply to it. Maybe some union like this have a hidden agenda like they will request money from us.

I think that's fine as long as they already help us successfully. But for those who are asking a money down first, and they have no proven record that they are legit and working, I can consider that as a red flag and I will avoid it. I don't think a legit and fair gambling platform won't solve any of their costumer's issue but some are only waiting for a union like this to interfere them before they take the complaint seriously.

Which means we could equally learn to be independent on ourselves and seek no help from anywhere be it government or any form of union than we could give to our own self, sometimes if we can sit and give a mathematical calculations on the benefits and losses that comes through a shared common platform lime having a union, what we loose tend to be more higher than we gain at the end if we closely look into those conditions well.

[LUCKMCFLY]

If the most the gambling platforms support or customers services are responding appropriately on every request and the gamblers as well are not making waste of this kind of opportunities, maybe we may not see the need of seeking help from external source or join a union that would later benefits from us than we do from joining, if a gambling platform cannot solve a gamblers problem or challenges, how sure are we that this could be done through formi a union if not something is behind the agenda.

If only, but sadly they are not, because not all are the same. Some are shady, strict, and some are prideful. They think they are the only one that is right at all times so they only " seen " their costumers complaints and never reply to it. Maybe some union like this have a hidden agenda like they will request money from us.

I think that's fine as long as they already help us successfully. But for those who are asking a money down first, and they have no proven record that they are legit and working, I can consider that as a red flag and I will avoid it. I don't think a legit and fair gambling platform won't solve any of their costumer's issue but some are only waiting for a union like this to interfere them before they take the complaint seriously.

These are the reasons why a casino is measured when it is better than the others, and one of the things why the casinos are strong and are the best ones that appear in the best rankings when they are decided by some reviewers is because they enjoy a very good support, I don't blame those who first go to AI support to solve basic problems that a robot can give, but when things are more complicated it is emphasized that things can be much better when it comes to humans solving them , but not only that, but that they are kind, understandable people and that the conflict is resolved as soon as possible, one of the things that bothers a person a lot is being told that nothing can be done but they will wait 1 or 2 days , that is something that any player does not understand, because if they are in one of the good casinos they need to have their problem resolved as soon as possible, so in this order of ideas we have to do things as best as possible when it comes to being in a caino and check how the support treatment is.

In many casinos that are good, some players have complained about the support, some because they say that they only put an AI and the players feel that they are disrespected for that, that is why they always prefer to talk to humans before an AI because they feel that An AI is not as coherent enough as a human is, so this is what we detail in each game session when we are in progress and we want a quick solution, on occasion I have used the support of stake.com and it is something that has helped me liked it a lot, 'because the solution is almost immediate, another is in bitcasino.io which is also the same, and there is a reason they are my favorite casinos, because they have a lot to do and see immediately and that is sometimes what some players They like it and can rate the casino as one of the best just for being so efficient in their support.