- UGA - a Gamblers Union

[Kemarit]

You have good intentions I hope you will not follow it up with asking for funds from those who are interested, why the need to create, and why you, gamblers choose to be independent I have not heard of a gamblers association online if it is about complaint there are already platforms for that and this includes this forum.

There's also a possibility of deceit because players will come to you with bad intentions to just use your platform to demand or extort casinos, I don't think it's a good idea better just launch a review site it's not complicated and it will save you from the many headaches.

I also think the OP's intention is good. He wants the gamblers not to be disrespected in any way. If there is any such behavior then everyone can prevent it by forming a unity. But it is not possible to implement such initiatives in online casinos. Everyone is different  and it is difficult to organize any action against them. However, if we can solve those issues through the forum without taking action in this way, then the matter will not be able to take a complicated shape. I think that is the best solution if we can get a better resolution of those issues through forum discussion through information and data.

Each gambler is already independent on his own, then everyone should also be tied as a responsibility to the gambling casino he uses, we cannot take the cross to bear everyone's burdens at the same time, how can a single person form a group or union that bring together all gamblers from any casino or gambling platforms and all in the name of establishing a union, on what motives, agenda or purpose.

Yes, this is also what I'm thinking, it's not that this is bad, but personally as I gambler, if I have a problem, I will deal with it. And if by chance is gain traction from other gamblers then good, if not I have nothing to worry about the Union and what will be their decision as far as my case goes.

I will go along with it alone, there are gamblers though, not saying all of them, but they really know that they could have violated a ToS of a casinos. But still though, they persists that they have do nothing wrong and then drag the name of the casino. And I agree that this union might just harrass any casinos for that matter as they know they have strength in numbers. So it might backfire on someone that is trying to get his money back from casinos in a legit way.

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[coin-investor]

And I agree that this union might just harrass any casinos for that matter as they know they have strength in numbers. So it might backfire on someone that is trying to get his money back from casinos in a legit way.

Not only that they might ask for a cut on the players' funds that they are demanding from casinos, but the name union may sound good, as their plan but in reality, we all know union can only be used on labor-related issues, gamblers are not laborers they are people who just want to have fun and they don't want any obligation to any organizations.
There's also a possibility of corruption when it gains a lot of power and this is not good for the gambling industry, they may even promote gambling casinos that will give in to their demand.
I'm okay with unions, I am part of a union also but it's not applicable when it comes to gambling, all we need is a feedback community, there's no hassle with this and the gamblers have no obligation to post their views and feedback.

[iv4n]

And I agree that this union might just harrass any casinos for that matter as they know they have strength in numbers. So it might backfire on someone that is trying to get his money back from casinos in a legit way.

Not only that they might ask for a cut on the players' funds that they are demanding from casinos, but the name union may sound good, as their plan but in reality, we all know union can only be used on labor-related issues, gamblers are not laborers they are people who just want to have fun and they don't want any obligation to any organizations.
There's also a possibility of corruption when it gains a lot of power and this is not good for the gambling industry, they may even promote gambling casinos that will give in to their demand.
I'm okay with unions, I am part of a union also but it's not applicable when it comes to gambling, all we need is a feedback community, there's no hassle with this and the gamblers have no obligation to post their views and feedback.

Maybe this idea is good, but the OP has not been active for more than a month. That's the thing with ideas, many of us have various ideas, but realizing an idea and making it work in the long run is something else entirely. And when it's come to the realization and keeping the idea working is where most of us fail... sad truth.

Until now, except for this forum, at least some high-ranked and trusted members, and BTCGosu, I haven't seen anyone else protecting crypto gamblers.

[Oilacris]

And I agree that this union might just harrass any casinos for that matter as they know they have strength in numbers. So it might backfire on someone that is trying to get his money back from casinos in a legit way.

Not only that they might ask for a cut on the players' funds that they are demanding from casinos, but the name union may sound good, as their plan but in reality, we all know union can only be used on labor-related issues, gamblers are not laborers they are people who just want to have fun and they don't want any obligation to any organizations.
There's also a possibility of corruption when it gains a lot of power and this is not good for the gambling industry, they may even promote gambling casinos that will give in to their demand.
I'm okay with unions, I am part of a union also but it's not applicable when it comes to gambling, all we need is a feedback community, there's no hassle with this and the gamblers have no obligation to post their views and feedback.

Maybe this idea is good, but the OP has not been active for more than a month. That's the thing with ideas, many of us have various ideas, but realizing an idea and making it work in the long run is something else entirely. And when it's come to the realization and keeping the idea working is where most of us fail... sad truth.

Until now, except for this forum, at least some high-ranked and trusted members, and BTCGosu, I haven't seen anyone else protecting crypto gamblers.

Protecting from what?Knowing that BTCGOSU is really just that a guidesite, yes it is really that helpful but in terms of those protections or in discussion with those kind of possible plans then i dont see about relevance. Its not really that shocking about to those people who do make out some threads and then suddenly they do become inactive or just leaving out some threads
but doesnt have the plans or time on making out some responses after the community do make out those kind of replies and sharing up their ideas and other sentiments.
Going back into that concern about having a union then i dont really see for it to be that something to be that possible knowing that it cant really be that
just that going to happen for users to have that union and planning to those those counter steps against platforms or really that tending to support those losers?
For what reason? What we do really tend to achieve on such act?

[alani123]

I'm pretty sure that there already exists consumer unions that you can sign up for a small annual subscription and enjoy services like lawyer advice and discounted court costs when needed.

But these tricks are going to be effective for casinos and gambling establishments domiciled in your jurisdiction. For casinos that are mostly or only accepting bets in crypto and operating outside of national gambling licensing schemes then there's little that can be done. First of all crypto payments are irreversible, and secondly casinos that are operating under nested Curacao governments for instance have very little presence or none at all in cuaracao, usually with their legal address (if there is one) being just some rented space.

So if you want realistic results against any such casino, the best case would be to try and hold them accountable publicly, in case they start caring about their image more than just the money they might owe you. But really even unions have certain limits. You have to form a union for serious goals and causes, can't just do it for anything. If people are losing money, it's something that makes sense to pursue. Someone losing their account is something casinos have been doing ever since they came around, online and offline. They can kick you out for whatever reason they want. Even no reason at all. If that happens without you losing anything, then I don't think it's a cause to pursue with a potential union...

[Dunamisx]

And I agree that this union might just harrass any casinos for that matter as they know they have strength in numbers. So it might backfire on someone that is trying to get his money back from casinos in a legit way.

Not only that they might ask for a cut on the players' funds that they are demanding from casinos, but the name union may sound good, as their plan but in reality, we all know union can only be used on labor-related issues, gamblers are not laborers they are people who just want to have fun and they don't want any obligation to any organizations.
There's also a possibility of corruption when it gains a lot of power and this is not good for the gambling industry, they may even promote gambling casinos that will give in to their demand.
I'm okay with unions, I am part of a union also but it's not applicable when it comes to gambling, all we need is a feedback community, there's no hassle with this and the gamblers have no obligation to post their views and feedback.

Exactly and well said, using the word union maybe is what is killing the whole idea of what OP might be trying to come up with, gamblers are not tied to using a particular single casino then why should they have a union whose course could not be well define and can make nothing to help the gamblers experience than to expose each challenged users through various forms of attacks, maybe this should be a group or platform for gambling discussion than union because it will be difficult to get people interested in this kind.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I am planning to make a Website, Socials and a lot more, people who arent getting heard will get heard, the different stories will get heard and hopefully a lot of cases will be solved by presenting this to the brighter audience.

I thank everyone who read this so far, i am really excited to see where this discussion will lead into.

Gambling and gamblers are not like an employer-employee situation where you need to set up a union with implementing rules and framework to operate, all we need is a community like this where we openly discuss the status of certain casinos, and the casino industry in general, the players just need to have a good time many of these players are here just to enjoy and they don't make a living in gambling, that's too much pressure already for having an obligation to a so-called union when all they want is to have fun.
If there are valid reports on one casino there are review sites and mediators willing to mediate and we have communities where they support players who have issues, all I know is you have a hidden agenda like you want a position in a gambling community so you can cast your influence.

Well, when we are making more options to Establish Something that can be Difficult to solve, things can be very difficult for some, because there are times when things in a casino for some users in particular tend to be very unfair, and not conisgiehuenm the necessary support, I think that sometimes users do this type of thing to have a better style of defense against a casino, because in everything that is necessary for a casino to pay something unfair, well, if it is not a user from bitcointalk I recognized that it is easy to ignore it, even so with all the Caputre and things Necessary to prove that the caisno was wrong, they do not fix it but leave it like that, so I think that on that side, it is good to have Something like a union of defense, in terms of the community and everything they can contribute is also the most, only that the Community does not have any duty to operate with the affected person , then the Responsibility of the People in the union would be to advocate for the rights of the players who They have or have robbed a casino at some time, obviously the casinos that do this are casinos that do not have the Reputation or the Level of trust of the largest ones.

This is something that can be established because it Would be a Larger force that is Born here in this forum precisely to defend cases that have not been solved, and in some way they put pressure, that is what is expected, but since so many new casinos have emerged Well, it's easy for some people to be established who want to take advantage. You can't completely rule out someone's investments to do harm, just as there are players who are like that, there can also be Malicious people who do it, that's something. key and that may be very true, in fact there are casinos that Meet many specifications of being up to date with licenses and Everything, but they are not completely legal, that is why you must be very Aware.

[Dunamisx]

Having a union is just as working under a centralized institution or organizations that have control over your actions and decisions, we may not have that desired freedom because we are tied to some responsibilities and regulations under the union we may belong, we cannot say that there's no other benefits they may be offering but comparing it with what most gamblers want is like going for another thing entirely different.

[wallet4bitcoin]

Hi There,


I have gained a lot of Experience over the Years regarding Online Casinos, and the System in wich Casinos are working by. Sometimes you win really big and everything is perfect, but sometimes you lose and all of a sudden you feel treated unfairly.

I had Similar Situations back in the Days, my account as Stake with Diamond Rank was closed just because i was discussing with a Live support worker. The thing wich had me really dissapointed wasnt even though that the account got closed, it was more the Lack of respect i received by the Casino in this matter. I feel like Casinos are forgetting to treat players with respect in some points, a lot of people might just talk to Live support or send a mail in to comprehend their feelings of loss at a live casino but sometimes people just want to be treated fairly, players have certain interests wich are not always unjustified. But Casinos tend to ignore these kind of problems and just give you Copy & Paste answers.


I feel like Casinos held each player for replaceable at some point. But Thats not right, thats not in accordance with Responsible Gambling in my opinion. There is so much space, so much can be done individually and from casinos to make it user friendlier. Not beeing scared to ask something to live support, not beeing scared that your account might get closed becaused you just discuss with people, the fact that so many gamblers feel not heard because cs is answering to wrong questions, casinos tend to answer with weeks of delay.

I really believe that Gamblers wich come together and justify on certain aspects have more weight and get heard to a larger audience to make these issues known and visible, without visibility there is no way of change. a Gamblers Union who represents the rights of Gamblers in general would really change a lot of things wich are wrong these days.

I am 100% that there are a lot of things missing in this first Post, but i am also 100% sure that atleast 1 person in the gambling space has felt at some point unfairly treated.

If you agree share this message,

I am planning to make a Website, Socials and a lot more, people who arent getting heard will get heard, the different stories will get heard and hopefully a lot of cases will be solved by presenting this to the brighter audience.

I thank everyone who read this so far, i am really excited to see where this discussion will lead into.

best regards

Moonzulu

Sometimes it's always the case with support agents, they fail to understand the need to attend to customers or players with respect.  Their salaries are generated by patronage from players hence the saying, the customer is always the king but they fail to note this and therefore attend averagely to them. In cases where a players has incurred loses, he tends to be a little bit agitated and slight show of zero care can ignite anger and dislike and this isn't good for a casino's customer.

[Oilacris]

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Sometimes it's always the case with support agents, they fail to understand the need to attend to customers or players with respect.  Their salaries are generated by patronage from players hence the saying, the customer is always the king but they fail to note this and therefore attend averagely to them. In cases where a players has incurred loses, he tends to be a little bit agitated and slight show of zero care can ignite anger and dislike and this isn't good for a casino's customer.

Site reputation or in overall impression would really be that varying into those things generally on which this isnt only that in talks about functionality but also in other aspects
as well on which reputation would really be always reflect out on how they would really be treating up gamblers whether they are winning or losing. There should really be always having that
kind of balance which we know that once people do see those kind of treatment or handling then there would really be no issues or possible problems that might
rise. Usually gamblers would really get angry on the time that they are on huge loss and this is why proper handling and understanding is a must.

[Dunamisx]

If the most the gambling platforms support or customers services are responding appropriately on every request and the gamblers as well are not making waste of this kind of opportunities, maybe we may not see the need of seeking help from external source or join a union that would later benefits from us than we do from joining, if a gambling platform cannot solve a gamblers problem or challenges, how sure are we that this could be done through formi a union if not something is behind the agenda.

[paxmao]

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Sometimes it's always the case with support agents, they fail to understand the need to attend to customers or players with respect.  Their salaries are generated by patronage from players hence the saying, the customer is always the king but they fail to note this and therefore attend averagely to them. In cases where a players has incurred loses, he tends to be a little bit agitated and slight show of zero care can ignite anger and dislike and this isn't good for a casino's customer.

Site reputation or in overall impression would really be that varying into those things generally on which this isnt only that in talks about functionality but also in other aspects
as well on which reputation would really be always reflect out on how they would really be treating up gamblers whether they are winning or losing. There should really be always having that
kind of balance which we know that once people do see those kind of treatment or handling then there would really be no issues or possible problems that might
rise. Usually gamblers would really get angry on the time that they are on huge loss and this is why proper handling and understanding is a must.

A union could provide some short of independent audit that could potentially increase the reputation and the user trust in sites with a certain quality stamp. This would however be quite expensive and I am not sure that smaller site would be able or would be interested in paying for such a thing. A users union is not bad for legal litigation, but most dark sites will be in places where law is in their favour.

[goldkingcoiner]

I am planning to make a Website, Socials and a lot more, people who arent getting heard will get heard, the different stories will get heard and hopefully a lot of cases will be solved by presenting this to the brighter audience.

The only voice that matters is the voice with power. Casinos take legal representatives more serious than normal people. That being said, most people that are complaining of having been treated unfairly are sore losers who made big gambling losses. And you really do not want to help them troll the casino for the purpose of being petty.

Your project is an idea that was motivated by your own sense of right and wrong but I think it might be a bit misguided. If a player was treated unfairly then that player needs legal advice on how to resolve the issue. Every country has its own laws and every lawyer wants money. Unless the union has lawyers or money, I think the goal of your project might be a bit out of your scope. I mean even if you did manage to identify those players who have been treated unfairly from those who only have themselves to blame for their actions, you would still be facing the problem of your union being unable to do anything other than seek costly legal action in the end.

[Dunamisx]

A union could provide some short of independent audit that could potentially increase the reputation and the user trust in sites with a certain quality stamp. This would however be quite expensive and I am not sure that smaller site would be able or would be interested in paying for such a thing. A users union is not bad for legal litigation, but most dark sites will be in places where law is in their favour.

If a gambling union must exist or be formed, then it has to be that those that will be involved in this kind of union are the casino or gambling platforms that have their gamblers all at the same place they can all be reach virtually, then they can have a Kind of union so most of them, they were all under almost the same platform, they can have some things to discuss to their own advantage than the external ones they don't know about.

[danadc]

A union could provide some short of independent audit that could potentially increase the reputation and the user trust in sites with a certain quality stamp. This would however be quite expensive and I am not sure that smaller site would be able or would be interested in paying for such a thing. A users union is not bad for legal litigation, but most dark sites will be in places where law is in their favour.

If a gambling union must exist or be formed, then it has to be that those that will be involved in this kind of union are the casino or gambling platforms that have their gamblers all at the same place they can all be reach virtually, then they can have a Kind of union so most of them, they were all under almost the same platform, they can have some things to discuss to their own advantage than the external ones they don't know about.

This is interesting for everyone because if there is a union to be able to help Players who in some way feel that their rights have been violated or Violated against a casino , but this is something that can be very specific cases where the Casinos are really quite great at defending themselves, of course there are many players who look for a way to support the victims and leave everything as if they were the ones who have violated their rights, but considering that there are times that if a player is right he is good for this, also if he Studying these cases gives more experience to other players who see that a casino is not a platform that is feasible to deceive.

But I wonder something , where this occurs , which members would be willing to form it ? because that is like a difficult job, studying every episode that happened in the casino is something difficult, plus it would be epic at the same time if in Bitcointalk, there was its own union, that would Sound very big , it would be Something new.

[Hamphser]

A union could provide some short of independent audit that could potentially increase the reputation and the user trust in sites with a certain quality stamp. This would however be quite expensive and I am not sure that smaller site would be able or would be interested in paying for such a thing. A users union is not bad for legal litigation, but most dark sites will be in places where law is in their favour.

If a gambling union must exist or be formed, then it has to be that those that will be involved in this kind of union are the casino or gambling platforms that have their gamblers all at the same place they can all be reach virtually, then they can have a Kind of union so most of them, they were all under almost the same platform, they can have some things to discuss to their own advantage than the external ones they don't know about.

This is interesting for everyone because if there is a union to be able to help Players who in some way feel that their rights have been violated or Violated against a casino , but this is something that can be very specific cases where the Casinos are really quite great at defending themselves, of course there are many players who look for a way to support the victims and leave everything as if they were the ones who have violated their rights, but considering that there are times that if a player is right he is good for this, also if he Studying these cases gives more experience to other players who see that a casino is not a platform that is feasible to deceive.

But I wonder something , where this occurs , which members would be willing to form it ? because that is like a difficult job, studying every episode that happened in the casino is something difficult, plus it would be epic at the same time if in Bitcointalk, there was its own union, that would Sound very big , it would be Something new.

Totally that easy to say but it would really be challenging specially if it do really comes into a point that it would be needing some funding or financial back up then this is where problem would start.
How the union will really be that accumulating those funds if people wont really be able to clear up on what their vision or mission about gamblers? This wont really be that so easy.
If they could be able to help out to those gamblers who had been wrecked out by gambling then its good, but the question is, how far or what extent they will be able to last?

Gamblers case would be that common and it would be usually be in connect with addiction. Trying ot solve out which will be commonly pertaining
about gambling addiction and finances which we know that the other side isnt something that could easily to be resolved.

[Webetcoins]

If the most the gambling platforms support or customers services are responding appropriately on every request and the gamblers as well are not making waste of this kind of opportunities, maybe we may not see the need of seeking help from external source or join a union that would later benefits from us than we do from joining, if a gambling platform cannot solve a gamblers problem or challenges, how sure are we that this could be done through formi a union if not something is behind the agenda.

If only, but sadly they are not, because not all are the same. Some are shady, strict, and some are prideful. They think they are the only one that is right at all times so they only " seen " their costumers complaints and never reply to it. Maybe some union like this have a hidden agenda like they will request money from us.

I think that's fine as long as they already help us successfully. But for those who are asking a money down first, and they have no proven record that they are legit and working, I can consider that as a red flag and I will avoid it. I don't think a legit and fair gambling platform won't solve any of their costumer's issue but some are only waiting for a union like this to interfere them before they take the complaint seriously.

[Dunamisx]

If the most the gambling platforms support or customers services are responding appropriately on every request and the gamblers as well are not making waste of this kind of opportunities, maybe we may not see the need of seeking help from external source or join a union that would later benefits from us than we do from joining, if a gambling platform cannot solve a gamblers problem or challenges, how sure are we that this could be done through formi a union if not something is behind the agenda.

If only, but sadly they are not, because not all are the same. Some are shady, strict, and some are prideful. They think they are the only one that is right at all times so they only " seen " their costumers complaints and never reply to it. Maybe some union like this have a hidden agenda like they will request money from us.

I think that's fine as long as they already help us successfully. But for those who are asking a money down first, and they have no proven record that they are legit and working, I can consider that as a red flag and I will avoid it. I don't think a legit and fair gambling platform won't solve any of their costumer's issue but some are only waiting for a union like this to interfere them before they take the complaint seriously.

Which means we could equally learn to be independent on ourselves and seek no help from anywhere be it government or any form of union than we could give to our own self, sometimes if we can sit and give a mathematical calculations on the benefits and losses that comes through a shared common platform lime having a union, what we loose tend to be more higher than we gain at the end if we closely look into those conditions well.

[LUCKMCFLY]

If the most the gambling platforms support or customers services are responding appropriately on every request and the gamblers as well are not making waste of this kind of opportunities, maybe we may not see the need of seeking help from external source or join a union that would later benefits from us than we do from joining, if a gambling platform cannot solve a gamblers problem or challenges, how sure are we that this could be done through formi a union if not something is behind the agenda.

If only, but sadly they are not, because not all are the same. Some are shady, strict, and some are prideful. They think they are the only one that is right at all times so they only " seen " their costumers complaints and never reply to it. Maybe some union like this have a hidden agenda like they will request money from us.

I think that's fine as long as they already help us successfully. But for those who are asking a money down first, and they have no proven record that they are legit and working, I can consider that as a red flag and I will avoid it. I don't think a legit and fair gambling platform won't solve any of their costumer's issue but some are only waiting for a union like this to interfere them before they take the complaint seriously.

These are the reasons why a casino is measured when it is better than the others, and one of the things why the casinos are strong and are the best ones that appear in the best rankings when they are decided by some reviewers is because they enjoy a very good support, I don't blame those who first go to AI support to solve basic problems that a robot can give, but when things are more complicated it is emphasized that things can be much better when it comes to humans solving them , but not only that, but that they are kind, understandable people and that the conflict is resolved as soon as possible, one of the things that bothers a person a lot is being told that nothing can be done but they will wait 1 or 2 days , that is something that any player does not understand, because if they are in one of the good casinos they need to have their problem resolved as soon as possible, so in this order of ideas we have to do things as best as possible when it comes to being in a caino and check how the support treatment is.

In many casinos that are good, some players have complained about the support, some because they say that they only put an AI and the players feel that they are disrespected for that, that is why they always prefer to talk to humans before an AI because they feel that An AI is not as coherent enough as a human is, so this is what we detail in each game session when we are in progress and we want a quick solution, on occasion I have used the support of stake.com and it is something that has helped me liked it a lot, 'because the solution is almost immediate, another is in bitcasino.io which is also the same, and there is a reason they are my favorite casinos, because they have a lot to do and see immediately and that is sometimes what some players They like it and can rate the casino as one of the best just for being so efficient in their support.