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Author Topic: Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1?  (Read 9695 times)
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October 31, 2023, 07:55:35 PM
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I'll field this one, since it was actually one of my minions, technically speaking. At least, I think it was.

I could never dispute with Foxpup the custody over LV's "minionship" since, after all, I am also her "minion". At least, I think I am

There are so many minions on this forum it's hard to keep track of them all. Undecided

Yes, so sad...



Other than that, it seems that Ratimov did not stop purging evidence of his plagiarism after the apparition of LV's topic and he also did not shy away anymore, as he usually did in the past when DT eyes were on him. This time his only reason to stop was a warning that he'll be banned.

He received a warning from me. I wrote to him about his behavior and that in case he continues such actions, he will get a ban. I did not receive a reply, but his trash topics did no longer appear after my warning. I hope for his discretion.

Ironic, the warning came from a mod which has no power to ban him, yet since the issue was escalated to theymos the warning was very serious and he understood that now he is not only fooling forum users around, as he did for 5 years in a row and this time he is actually risking to be banned. That being said I am very curious about what other frauds and ways to fool regular users & mods he will find. What's certain is that he is very ingenious at that.

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November 01, 2023, 01:42:01 AM
Last edit: November 02, 2023, 01:36:05 AM by 1miau
 #102

how old are you? for real? 11?

6. I barely learned to write.
Almost 6 years to be accurate, your birthday is only 5 days away.  Smiley

how old are you? for real? 11?
You can look that up on GazetaBitcoin's profile page: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1285797
GazetaBitcoin is almost 6 years old (November 6 is GazetaBitcoin's birthday, don't forget it!)
Now you know!

I'm not that old, I'm almost 1 year younger than GazetaBitcoin...

But you are still a Baby (and obviously you are a Bandit already, to be accurate (that's quite a shame, isn't it?)...


Are you always that bad when doing some basic research or is the issue above and your strange accusation against GazetaBitcoin your only incident?



Edit because I just saw it right now:
I will expect some feedback from them about the whole things.
wwzsocki, LFC_Bitcoin, klarki, The Sceptical Chymist, imhoneer, CryptopreneurBrainboss, Best_Change, andy_pelevin , KTChampions, Coin-1, Bitcoin_Arena, tranthidung, tvplus006, witcher_sense, DdmrDdmr, madnessteat, 1miau, FontSeli, YOSHIE, bullrun2020bro, light_warrior.
I don't need to comment on anything as trust is solely a personal decision.
In addition, I've removed Ratimov from my trust list already (2?) weeks ago, so your list is an old one.

Of course I reserve any further steps as more time will pass.



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November 01, 2023, 10:06:41 PM
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I will expect some feedback from them about the whole things.

wwzsocki, LFC_Bitcoin, klarki, The Sceptical Chymist, imhoneer, CryptopreneurBrainboss, Best_Change, andy_pelevin , KTChampions, Coin-1, Bitcoin_Arena, tranthidung, tvplus006, witcher_sense, DdmrDdmr, madnessteat, 1miau, FontSeli, YOSHIE, bullrun2020bro, light_warrior.

CryptopreneurBrainboss and 1miau deleted him from their Trust list.

I am also hoping the remaining users will see this post.



Ok, let's try this again:

In this article I would like to touch upon [...]" DT users which still trust Ratimov: YOSHIE, zasad@, bullrun2020bro, Stalker22, jokers10, madnesssteal, Bitcoin_Arena, Best_Change, imhoneer, tvplus006 and klarki.

zasad@ is excluded from this list, since it's obvious he will keep Ratimov's side forever, after he received "only" 964 merits from Ratimov, which means he almost became Legendary just from these merit showers.

jokers10's position is also not needed anymore, since he acts like the guy which never saw a giraffe before: after he sees it, while the giraffe is in front of his eyes, he says: "that thing does not exist". So he sees it, it's right there. But it does not exist. Similar, jokers10, although he saw all the possible evidence about Ratimov's Trust abuses / plagiarism / fooling forum users for years / intellectual theft / extortion in feedbacks and Trust exclusions / fooling mods / deleting old topics to cover his plagiarism etc., etc., etc., he still needs "some evidence". The evidence is right in front of his eyes, but he is unable to see it.

I am still expecting a position from the other users mentioned above.



Now let's talk also a bit about jokers10 and let's see why he is so vehement pro-Ratimov. BitcoinGirl.Club, are you ready?



Now what do we have here? So, first of all, Ratimov is main recipient of jokers10's sMerits. Then, not surprising at all, Ratimov is his no. 1 merit fan, with no less than 474 merits -- which means that he almost became Hero only with the merit showers from Ratimov.

After seeing these stats, it's understandable why jokers10 serves his Master with so much vehemence, right? I hope it's crystal clear now.

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November 01, 2023, 10:47:16 PM
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I did about 12 minutes of reading through some of the links here and I'm of the opinion that he shouldn't be on DT.
Lol! That shows wisdom!
Don't know about all that, but I've had enough experience with members' behavior here to see the signs of shady shit in progress.

So let me ask: even though I've been here for years, I still haven't learned all of the little details
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Go read my Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system:<snip>
LoyceV, there's no way I'm going to read about the intricacies of the trust system at this point, though I appreciate the link.  And why?  Because Theymos broke the whole thing when he introduced the rotating DT thing (not that a default trust list was ever a perfect idea) and hence why I effectively boycotted the system.

If you're saying I'm no longer on any level of DT because of my trust settings, I'll admit I didn't know it worked that way--but honestly I don't care if I'm on it or not.  I used to.

Restore your Trust list (with at least 10 users), and you can be selected for DT1 and mean something for DT2 again.
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about that I had a misunderstanding about.  Well, let me think about it.  I suppose if the DT system is going to exist, however shattered it is, I probably ought to attempt to help make sure bad things don't happen.

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Yeah, that's what I'm talking about that I had a misunderstanding about. Well, let me think about it. I suppose if the DT system is going to exist, however shattered it is, I probably ought to attempt to help make sure bad things don't happen.

That's the only way to fix these things. If you believe more people are misusing the system, your participation will help to improve it. Boycotting the DT feature will give abusers more power to continue doing their shit. You and a few more veteran forum members decided to boycott the DT feature for some reason. I didn't know if your trust list was empty or not. Among other veteran members, dkbit98 is another one, if I am not wrong.

All you can do is rebuild your trust list with at least ten people on your list. You guys have spent a couple of years already, and I guess you have more than ten people you may trust based on your experience.

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If you're saying I'm no longer on any level of DT because of my trust settings, I'll admit I didn't know it worked that way--but honestly I don't care if I'm on it or not.  I used to.

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You're currently on DT2 level, the trust list made you eligible for DT1 position on the next monthly reshuffle, but with or without the custom list, you can still be on DT2 because DT2 were "chosen" by DT1. Being on DT1 allows you to not only "appoint" someone to be DT2, it also allows you to vote out another DT1 [like what's being discussed on this thread]. So yeah, I agree with LV and Learn Bitcoin, best way to fix the system is from within, by being in the system itself and try to ensure it works as what theymos intended it to be

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As far as I can see Ratimov, who last month was in DT2, has returned to DT1, with less strenght, as already commented.

Now let's talk also a bit about jokers10 and let's see why he is so vehement pro-Ratimov. BitcoinGirl.Club, are you ready?



Now what do we have here? So, first of all, Ratimov is main recipient of jokers10's sMerits. Then, not surprising at all, Ratimov is his no. 1 merit fan, with no less than 474 merits -- which means that he almost became Hero only with the merit showers from Ratimov.

After seeing these stats, it's understandable why jokers10 serves his Master with so much vehemence, right? I hope it's crystal clear now.

I don't see much strength in this argument. You are almost Legendary only with the merits that fillippone has given you and something similar happens with 1miau, besides they are the two favorite profiles of yours to send sMerit to. At a lower level, the same happens to me with LoyceV, thanks to whom I ranked up to Sr member.

Update: I picked some of your posts that were Merited by others and Merited those. The lazy way, but well deserved for you to be Sr. Member.

Leaving aside the issue of merit, I have a high regard for LoyceV, as I assume you do for the other two. So, if there were a reputation thread against them, I suppose in principle we would be more skeptical and require more evidence to turn against them. It's a normal thing. You could also apply that ironic tone to these cases, saying that fillippone and 1miau are your masters, just as mine would be LoyceV.

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jokers10's position is also not needed anymore, since he acts like the guy which never saw a giraffe before: after he sees it, while the giraffe is in front of his eyes, he says: "that thing does not exist". So he sees it, it's right there. But it does not exist. Similar, jokers10, although he saw all the possible evidence about Ratimov's Trust abuses / plagiarism / fooling forum users for years / intellectual theft / extortion in feedbacks and Trust exclusions / fooling mods / deleting old topics to cover his plagiarism etc., etc., etc., he still needs "some evidence". The evidence is right in front of his eyes, but he is unable to see it.

I am still expecting a position from the other users mentioned above.



Now let's talk also a bit about jokers10 and let's see why he is so vehement pro-Ratimov. BitcoinGirl.Club, are you ready?



Now what do we have here? So, first of all, Ratimov is main recipient of jokers10's sMerits. Then, not surprising at all, Ratimov is his no. 1 merit fan, with no less than 474 merits -- which means that he almost became Hero only with the merit showers from Ratimov.

After seeing these stats, it's understandable why jokers10 serves his Master with so much vehemence, right? I hope it's crystal clear now.

If my position is not needed, then why are you trying to involve me? To show that your position is weak? I'm not the only one who sees that.

What evidence did you show? There is a discussion about plagiarism held several years ago and several cases of conflicts of different users with Ratimov with mutual inappropriate tags. Additionally we see that Ratimov deleted or crashed many dozens of topics, what is bad, but doesn't relate to Trust system. All other things are your assumptions.

If you would do everything for merits you get (your top fans are 1miau and fillippone, which conclusions should we make of that?), it doesn't mean that others see the things the same way. When you see someone from Russian board whose "Merit Fan" is Ratimov and assume that it means it says everything, everyone who knows that Ratimov is a merit source from Russian board with the biggest monthly sMerit amount (1000 sMerits a month, as far as I know) will see that you are manipulating facts to exclude everyone from Russian board from the discussion if they don't support your position. But if Ratimov is most active in Russian board (at least two-thirds of his posts are in Russian board according to ninjastic.space) then who is expected to know him better? He does many good things for forum and Russian board and deserves merits he gets. So you'll see that he got many merits from all or nearly all members of Russian board. Do you really want to assure each and every that nearly all members of Russian board are blind? Everyone can see from reports in different topics that if we see plagiarism in our board we don't tolerate it and report it, with all our "tribalism", because we like our board being clean and tidy.

But you decided to use that assumption with a number of merits to blame moderators of Russian board. We already know that it revealed that these accusations are false. You have some assumptions and you don't bother to prove them, but easily blame everyone who don't support your position in which you are emotionally involved (you even insult Ratimov nearly each time you mention him recently).

So let's go further. I didn't want to get to this topic. I suppose that you are not right, but Ratimov is not right in this case also. So it was between you and him until you decided to go further and to start blaming first mods of Russian board, then me, then who else?

But okay, what evidence do I expect? That the case has something more than a story held several years ago and several conflicts of different people with Ratimov where I don't see any parties which are right in their tags. You blame him that he deletes his posts to hide his crimes for years. But it is just an assumption, it was never proved. I walked through several of those deleted topics and didn't find anything compromising. If you can show that I just didn't watch correctly and there are multiple  cases of some wrong things which continued for years as you say, it can change my mind. I don't really think you have those proofs. As I said in this topic previously, Ratimov was the first one I ever distrusted, so I know he made mistakes in the past. He did a lot positive things before I changed my position and added him to my trust list. I'm not inclined in fast decisions, I prefer to think and analyse the evidence.

I'm not interested in what happend several years ago. It is probably true, but it was years ago. The things are changed. I suppose that all those who use that old case to leave tags nowadays are wrong: leaving tags basing on what is a matter of forum rules (like plagiarism) is not a consensus decision in a Trust system and an idea of forgiveness for old cases is something that is recommended. Leaving a retaliatory tag is wrong also.

So if there are no really new cases, then I'm not interested in participating in this drama. And when you are blaming people in different things just to involve them into this drama it looks not as good as you expect.

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received "only" 964 merits from Ratimov
I don't think you're helping your case by looking at Merit amounts without looking at the posts. Theymos says to complain to him:
If they complain about amounts, tell them to complain to me.

Restore your Trust list (with at least 10 users), and you can be selected for DT1 and mean something for DT2 again.
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about that I had a misunderstanding about.  Well, let me think about it.  I suppose if the DT system is going to exist, however shattered it is, I probably ought to attempt to help make sure bad things don't happen.
That's the idea Smiley The previous Trust system wasn't perfect, the current system isn't perfect either, but I get that theymos wants to keep his hands off as much as possible. So it's up to us.

I don't see much strength in this argument. You are almost Legendary only with the merits that fillippone has given you and something similar happens with 1miau, besides they are the two favorite profiles of yours to send sMerit to. At a lower level, the same happens to me with LoyceV
As a Merit source, this really doesn't matter much. The whole point of being a Merit source is sending them to decent posts, and if users post on boards I read frequently, they're more likely to receive them. I've seen "slacking" again, it keeps piling up so I need to send more!

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That's the thing with Merit: for the receiver, it (often) means a lot. I didn't even remember this (until I read back your quote). I've sent 45k sMerit, and as long as the user isn't a spammer, I'm happy with it.

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You could also apply that ironic tone to these cases, saying that fillippone and 1miau are your masters, just as mine would be LoyceV.
So being the top most Merit sender makes me the largest slave owner on Bitcointalk? Allow me: go free!

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While everyone was discussing wheather Ratimov should be removed as a DT1 member. It is now clear after the post from the admin of this forum that he will remain as a DT1 member. The gang that has been trying to defeat him got defeated. This topic should now be locked until the next time. As there is nothing that anyone here can do to question him or getting  recognised as a DT1 member.
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It is now clear after the post from the admin of this forum that he will remain as a DT1 member.
From DT1-strength (I added the current week to the data):
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Ratimov's DT1-position took a hit, but he's been lower in the past.

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While everyone was discussing wheather Ratimov should be removed as a DT1 member. It is now clear after the post from the admin of this forum that he will remain as a DT1 member. The gang that has been trying to defeat him got defeated. This topic should now be locked until the next time. As there is nothing that anyone here can do to question him or his DT1

Obviously, you do not understand how the DT system works. The fact that he was selected in DT1 after the November reshuffle does not guarantee that he has to stay there until next month. And yes, that's only for November. Currently, his DT strength is (5), which means that 5 distrust by DT1 members, excludes him regardless of the selection made by the administrator.
With everything I've read here, even more pressure is to be expected.

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 #113

While everyone was discussing wheather Ratimov should be removed as a DT1 member. It is now clear after the post from the admin of this forum that he will remain as a DT1 member. The gang that has been trying to defeat him got defeated. This topic should now be locked until the next time. As there is nothing that anyone here can do to question him or his DT1

Obviously, you do not understand how the DT system works. The fact that he was selected in DT1 after the November reshuffle does not guarantee that he has to stay there until next month. And yes, that's only for November. Currently, his DT strength is (5), which means that 5 distrust by DT1 members, excludes him regardless of the selection made by the administrator.
With everything I've read here, even more pressure is to be expected.

Being here in the forum you still act like a naive. I got tagged from icopress without any reason while he gets ignored with his alts. You should understand that there are humans here who generally don't come as they fear him. Your analysis is good but who cares when Ratimov is still a DT1. I have respect for your analysis but that doesn't make any sense as you will not gain anything from this thread
 
I do feel that most of you are from the mixer campaign and you guys are doing such bad!
 
 
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You should understand that there are humans here who generally don't come up but still help those in need.

I didn't say anything about people and who is here and why. I just tried to give you some basics of how the DT system works. Based on your previous post, it seemed to me that you don't understand very well.

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Your analysis is good but who cares when Ratimov is still a DT1.

Obviously, GazetaBitcoin(OP) care about that. I believe this is one of the reasons why he started the discussion "Should Ratimov be in DT1?"

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I have respect  your analysis but that doesn't make any sense asyou will not gain anything.from this thread

I'm not a thread opener, I don't expect anything from here.

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I do feel that most of you are from mixer campaign and you guys are doing such shit in investigation for you campaign.

Campaigns have nothing to do with this. Here, for example, the OP GazetaBitcoin is currently not a participant in any campaign.

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Please don't abuse anyone without justified explanation. Your overall justifit didn't end well.

Who am I abusing and what didn't end well?
It seems to me that you missed the point with the previous post and now you are trying to distract from it with other accusations. It's not a problem if you make a mistake because you don't know something, every day we learn something new.
But there is no reason to hold on to the wrong attitude because it is difficult to admit a wrong statement.

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Again, I didn't open this thread and I can't close it.

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 #115

While everyone was discussing wheather Ratimov should be removed as a DT1 member. It is now clear after the post from the admin of this forum that he will remain as a DT1 member. The gang that has been trying to defeat him got defeated. This topic should now be locked until the next time. As there is nothing that anyone here can do to question him or his DT1

Obviously, you do not understand how the DT system works. The fact that he was selected in DT1 after the November reshuffle does not guarantee that he has to stay there until next month. And yes, that's only for November. Currently, his DT strength is (5), which means that 5 distrust by DT1 members, excludes him regardless of the selection made by the administrator.
With everything I've read here, even more pressure is to be expected.

Being here in the forum you still act like a naive. I got tagged from icopress without any reason while he gets ignored with his alts. You should understand that there are humans here who generally don't come as they fear him. Your analysis is good but who cares when Ratimov is still a DT1. I have respect for your analysis but that doesn't make any sense as you will not gain anything from this thread
 
I do feel that most of you are from the mixer campaign and you guys are doing such bad!

Hah?

examplens act like naive? Can you please tell me what you understand from this thread? Do you even know how DT1 members get selected by the admin? What icopress have to do with the thread? What examplens has to do with icopress? What do you consider an analysis when it's clearly not any analysis but it's the system?

GazetaBitcoin created this thread because he believes Ratimov should not be in DT1 and wrote why he thinks so. The community members joined the discussion and even some of the DT1 members excluded him from their trust list. So, GazetaBitcoin is kind of a success with his thread.

DT1 members get selected once a month. Even if Ratimov is selected for November 2023 does not mean he will be there forever. His DT strength is 5 at this moment which was 12 a few days ago. If six more DT1 exclude him, he won't be there anymore because he will lose his strength.

Do not engage in something that you do not understand at all. Icopress's neutral tag is fair enough. At least you proved that once again.

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You should ignore him as it's obvious he does not understand what is he talking about. He proved that Icopress's tag is justified.
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Currently, his DT strength is (5), which means that 5 distrust by DT1 members, excludes him regardless of the selection made by the administrator.
Isn't it need 6 DT1 members to distrust him since DT with 0 strength is still a DT?

The gang that has been trying to defeat him got defeated.
I don't think it's a gang, but it's an open discussion especially for DT1 members. Even you're not a DT, you can trust or distrust any user too.


Reported few posts because it's off topic, not sure if the moderators will delete it or not. Grin

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Being here in the forum you still act like a naive. I got tagged from icopress without any reason while he gets ignored with his alts. You should understand that there are humans here who generally don't come as they fear him. Your analysis is good but who cares when Ratimov is still a DT1. I have respect for your analysis but that doesn't make any sense as you will not gain anything from this thread
 
I do feel that most of you are from the mixer campaign and you guys are doing such bad!
 
 


It is unlikely that there are cases when you are tagged for no reason, especially by those people who you would like to participate in the signature. Therefore, start to really look at things and read more carefully the topics in which you are going to participate.
Among other things, this topic is relevant as long as it is read; all recent events may change the opinion of other DTs.
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bullrun2020bro DT1 no longer trusts Ratimov. His strength dropped to +4 now.



I don't see much strength in this argument. You are almost Legendary only with the merits that fillippone has given you and something similar happens with 1miau, besides they are the two favorite profiles of yours to send sMerit to. At a lower level, the same happens to me with LoyceV, thanks to whom I ranked up to Sr member.

This is true, but do you see me worshiping any of them? Nope. Similar, I also don't see you worshiping LV. Respect is something, worshiping is different.

So, if there were a reputation thread against them, I suppose in principle we would be more skeptical and require more evidence to turn against them.

This is also true. But if evidence would be presented I would, at least, properly read it before acting like a blind fanatic and saying it does not exist.
Besides, lets' think about this: why true reputable users of this forum are not involved / associated / accused of such miserable things like plagiarism / extortion through Trust feedbacks / Trust abuses / leaving retaliatory false feedbacks?

Why LV never left a feedback like this: "Stupid degenerate, liar and shitposter."?
Why fillippone never left a feedback like this: ""Stupid degenerate, liar and shitposter."?
Why 1miau never wrote a feedback like this: "A fuckhead with a broken head. After being raped by all the WEX employees, taking all his mother's money [...]"?

Have you ever seen these users, which are exemplary for the forum (not just the ones mentioned above) use Trust system like that?

Have anyone accused p_e_l_e_o of plagiarism?

Have anyone accused The Pharmacist of feddback extortion?

The answer to all these questions is "No".

This is because these users are examples, indeed. They are also Merit Sources and (with few exceptions) DT1 users. And they act fair and decent.

Ratimov, instead, is a joke. A bad joke. A fraudster, a liar and a thief. No exemplary user has been ever associated with all the disgusting things he did / does.

You could also apply that ironic tone to these cases, saying that fillippone and 1miau are your masters, just as mine would be LoyceV.

I could, but I have another Master Smiley In fact, I said that multiple times, haven't I? Smiley



If my position is not needed, then why are you trying to involve me?

Where have I tried to involve you? In case you misread my previous post, then re-read it:

jokers10's position is also not needed anymore, since he acts like the guy which never saw a giraffe before: after he sees it, while the giraffe is in front of his eyes, he says: "that thing does not exist".

To show that your position is weak? I'm not the only one who sees that.

I have no idea what position I'm in and how it is weak.

What evidence did you show?

All the possible evidence for all my statements. The only requirements to see it are: (1) to have eyes; (2) to be able to read; (3) to be willing to read.

your top fans are 1miau and fillippone, which conclusions should we make of that?

No idea. Which conclusions can you make of that?

So let's go further. I didn't want to get to this topic.

Then why did you get here?

I'm not interested in what happend several years ago.

Too bad for you. Some are interested.

It is probably true, but it was years ago.

So you admit that he plagiarized LMAO!

And when you are blaming people in different things just to involve them into this drama it looks not as good as you expect.

Where did I blame people and in what "different things"? What are these "different things"? Can you be more precise, please?

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November 03, 2023, 05:08:12 PM
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I sense a fearsome gang here. Like the Corléone family gang. There was nothing Ratimov could do. LaGazetta was a made man and Ratimov wasn’t.

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November 03, 2023, 10:01:44 PM
Last edit: November 04, 2023, 05:12:59 AM by digaran
 #120

It is unlikely that there are cases when you are tagged for no reason,
Totally untrue, or at least you are unaware of the truth.
Recently 3 people left me 3 red tags for absolutely no "good" reason, and nobody said anything, and even if anyone said something, nobody else cared, but if I was a DT member, they wouldn't have dared to tag me.

This is unfortunately the case here, if OP wasn't a DT member, they wouldn't care to participate in this discussion, but guess what? Someone's reputation is important at least for themselves, DT or not, but everyone here only thinks about their benefit.

They might consider trust abusers feedbacks unfair, unjust, but they won't do anything about it, because they can't get anything from me in return. If OP wasn't DT, this would have happened to him as well.

Reputation here means power and money, nothing else.
When they start to feel their own power/money making opportunity is at risk, they will exclude Ratimov in a blink of an eye, otherwise forget it, because for how long people like him plus jellygood etc have been doing such blatant abuse? You don't see them excluded do you?

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This is because these users are examples, indeed. They are also Merit Sources and (with few exceptions) DT1 users. And they act fair and decent.
Thanks for the joke OP.

Edit: @examplens, how familiar are you about my problem from 5 years ago? If you are not in the loop, don't judge.

Second edit: , responding to meow1 posted below, @meow1, keep laughing, just in case you haven't noticed, I need more unjust tags, to justify my motives when the time comes, dig faster.

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