Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1?

[Poker Player]

In principle I had seen that in this retaliation Ratimov had not excluded me but I think he did it indirectly, including in his trust list Igebotz, who is currently the only DT1 that distrusts me.

So, the question is: do you want to add your name to this list?

I think that if he excludes you in retaliation he will quite likely trigger more distrusts from DT, so I am sure he will think about it a lot.

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[lovesmayfamilis]

He adds tildes to those who simply removed him from the list and did not give him tildes. It seems that the rage is already boiling without limit. I can also say that I removed him from my list over a year ago, and his response was immediate. Maybe this is normal, but the fact that he puts tildes simply out of a sense of revenge on users shows once again how unrestrained his nature is.
I'll follow LoyceV's example and do the same~

[Shishir99]

Yes, this is Ratimov's style. I tried to explain this in OP with various words:

Now it's going to backfire on him as well. Today LoyceV and lovesmayfamilis distrusted Ratimov. Now I am interested to see if Ratimov distrusts them as well or not. Probably he will remain silent because lovesmayfamilis is from his local board and we know LoyceV's weight. There is no reason to distrust them unless he does it solely for his own purposes.

[holydarkness]

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Furthermore, he acted precisely the same way the other DT users acted. For example, [...] and holydarkness.

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Somehow, I am not surprised it happened, or having a hard feeling about it, I even half "expecting" it'll happen at one point, because it justifies the tilde put upon him. It matched his MO of retaliatory feedback, IMO, if any, I didn't misjudged when I decided to put him on my distrust list.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I salute the decision of LV and lovesmayfamilies to ~ Ratimov. Once again, Ratimov is proving that he weaponized Trust system and uses it only as he pleases, for years in a row, without remorse. This is happening since he got into DT1, but he managed to get there by using his skills to hide his plagiarism.

Speaking of which, it seems that he did not delete only the 78 topics found by LV, but many other posts, in his futile attempt to hide his plagiarism.

For instance, this post:

Quoting for historical reference and take a look at messages at numbers 33, 101, 108, 115.

Here, really original content, maybe 10%, the rest is all a copy-paste of finished materials or partial use of someone else's material.

quoted by me in OP and quoted also years ago by airfinex in the topic where he exposed Ratimov's plagiarism -- is now gone.

The post was there before but he deleted it too, thus those not knowing about ninjastic.space will never see this statement where he admitted clearly that he plagiarizes 90% of what he wrote. Most likely, he deleted other incriminatory posts as well.

In fact, he deleted all his posts from the topic started by airfinex.

For those not aware, the topic is full of examples of plagiarism made by Ratimov and also of examples given by wooI_Ioow, exposing how Ratimov was breaking rule 27 (Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed) by copy-pasting articles and translating them with Google Translate in Russian board ([1], [2], [3], [4]).

I am almost sure he deleted all his posts starting with "In this article I would like to touch upon such a theme [...]".

[Rikafip]

The post was there before but he deleted it too, thus those not knowing about ninjastic.space will never see this statement where he admitted clearly that he plagiarizes 90% of what he wrote. Most likely, he deleted other incriminatory posts as well.

The way I understood that (now deleted) post is that he claims that only 10% of the overall bitcointalk content is original and rest is copy/paste of someone else's material and not him admitting that only 10% of his posts are original, in a way to justify his extensive copypasting as according to him, everyone is doing it.

Unfortunately, many did not realize that they got to the Bitcoin forum, and not to the forum with completely original content. Here, really original content, maybe 10%, the rest is all a copy-paste of finished materials or partial use of someone else's material.

[GazetaBitcoin]

The way I understood that (now deleted) post is that he claims that only 10% of the overall bitcointalk content is original and rest is copy/paste of someone else's material and not him admitting that only 10% of his posts are original, in a way to justify his extensive copypasting as according to him, everyone is doing it.

This is subjective way of looking at the post. However, either way of understanding it still incriminates Ratimov of plagiarism:

1. He self admits directly that he copy-pastes / plagiarizes in 90% of his content => self admitted plagiarism.

2. "He claims that only 10% of the overall bitcointalk content is original and rest is copy/paste of someone else's material and not him admitting that only 10% of his posts are original, in a way to justify his extensive copypasting as according to him, everyone is doing it." -- since everyone is doing it, then he does it too, since "everyone" includes him as well => self admitted plagiarism.

[mikeywith]

I have been steering clear of everything DT, I am glad I asked Theymos to blacklist me from DT1 so that I don't have to keep track of all the people I include in my trust list, you just never know when one of them will unleash the beast inside of them. .

I did not dig deep into this topic, but looking at LoyceV's comment above made me curious to see Ratimov recent trust changes, he started to adjust his trust list in a tit-for-tat fashion which is a terrible way of using the trust system, the trust system was designed in a way that the collective reflection of all users will consolidate in a single (wide) point of view, using it to strengthen your position or to weaken someone else's position is pretty catastrophic.

Palagrimis aside since that is a different topic and should be handled by the mods, if Ratimov did not start this relation trust list altering, and instead, he deleted/modified the unjust feedback he left on all those profiles -- his chance of staying in DT would have been a lot higher, but as it stands right now, the way I see it is that Ratimov doesn't use his trust list to vote for those whom he thinks their feedback should be visible but rather a tool to maintain his "power".

I excluded him from my trust list, I am not DT1 anymore but I hope my opinion on this matter will help others who trust my judgment in making their own decision to exclude him.

With that said, I hope that the other DT members don't see this as a chance to "end Ratimov forum career", I also hope he doesn't take this too personally, I don't think you are a bad person, in fact, I think your contribution to the forum is a net positive, I just don't think you are fit for DT.

[Plaguedeath]

Anyway, unless something else happens I see it unlikely that he will fall out of the DT1 lottery, as I think most of those who still trust him will continue to do so if everything stays the same.

Currently his DT strength is 1, which I think sooner or later he will fall out.

With that said, I hope that the other DT members don't see this as a chance to "end Ratimov forum career", I also hope he doesn't take this too personally, I don't think you are a bad person, in fact, I think your contribution to the forum is a net positive, I just don't think you are fit for DT.

And to be fair he could get back to become DT member as long as he hear what people opinions against him and take it as professional.

I also exclude Ratimov from my trust list even though I don't have any power.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

So, for example, he moved The Sceptical Chymist directly from trust to distrust on his list.

That's retaliation possibly.
The problem is that most of the users use the custom trust list to get themselves into DT and get more strength in terms of inclusion while the custom trust list should be used for personal benefits like- utilizing when we trade here, when it comes to trust someone with fund.

Um, yeah it's retaliation.  That's obvious by the timing and the fact that I've done nothing else to Ratimov aside from ~'ing him from my trust list and have had no contact with him, probably ever.  

That's OK, though.  I think the trust system has become a total joke anyway, which is why I opted out of the game completely for the past I-don't-know-how-many months.  The only reason I created a new trust list was to participate in this situation we're discussing here.  And Little Mouse, I did not create a custom trust list in order to get onto DT; I just want that known.  As I've said, being on that list used to mean something and the members on it were expected to use the "power" it gave them very, very responsibly.  These days it's a complete free for all.

It's like don't dare to talk against me, else you will be fucked by me.

He's not fucking me.  He doesn't realize it yet, perhaps, but he's eventually going to dig his own grave when the majority of the community goes against him, which it looks like is going to be what happens.  

I don't think his deletion of threads/posts should count against him, though.  If you open up a self-moderated thread, you've got the right to do what you will with anything therein.  Sure, it'll lower the post count of members who'd posted in the thread but that's the risk you take, and it's clearly stated at the top of the page when a thread is self-moderated.

With that said, I hope that the other DT members don't see this as a chance to "end Ratimov forum career", I also hope he doesn't take this too personally, I don't think you are a bad person, in fact, I think your contribution to the forum is a net positive, I just don't think you are fit for DT.

Yeah, I never had anything against him either (though I knew about the plagiarism accusations, I never did a deep dive into their validity and assumed the mods would do their job if he was truly guilty).  I still don't aside from the fact that he appears to be acting in an extremely emotional way and also seems to be sort of power-hungry. 

[Little Mouse]

And Little Mouse, I did not create a custom trust list in order to get onto DT; I just want that known.

That's known. We know The Sceptical Chymist. But majority is doing this for getting into DT despite using the system for the purpose it has been created.
I have got one exclusion from an user who is in my trust list. I don't bother about that either because for me, his feedbacks are useful. I want to see the feedbacks he sent by default. That's what matters to me. That's why I'm not going to exclude him unless he turns into someone like Ratimov. That's how I use the system. Well, if everyone used the system for the same purpose, I believe we wouldn't have heard someone saying it's a joke. By the way, as pointed out above, if someone like you who understand the purpose of the system and understand how it works, opts out them from the system, the system will look more of jokes. That's why it's important to use the system for people like you and others who understand pretty much.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

@Ratimov: feel free to retaliate, that seems to be your thing. Just know that the users who excluded me are not exactly the most upstanding citizens of Bitcointalk. You'll be in terrible company:

It's true and this part made me laugh when I was reading it. But it sounds like you are threatening him not to do that.

I think that if he excludes you in retaliation he will quite likely trigger more distrusts from DT,

Those who have not removed him from their trust list, not even felt to write a few words in this topic, just ignoring everything about this topic and the other topics created in the last few weeks, I think someone should investigate the feedback they left, the people they trust and distrust, the merits they sends and receives. I doubt we will not find unnecessary positive feedback with no trade reference, trust list with backscratching and merit fans to each others.

[Poker Player]

Anyway, unless something else happens I see it unlikely that he will fall out of the DT1 lottery, as I think most of those who still trust him will continue to do so if everything stays the same.

Currently his DT strength is 1, which I think sooner or later he will fall out.

I wrote that I thought things were not going to change much just before LoyceV made his move, and the moment he did I changed my mind. Now I think it is quite likely.

How do you see the DT strenght in his profile on bpip.org? Looking at the latest update of his trust list on loyce.club and the latest DT1 changes on bpip.org I see the latest changes in this regard have been JG and Stalker22 who have removed him from their trust list.

Those who have not removed him from their trust list, not even felt to write a few words in this topic, just ignoring everything about this topic and the other topics created in the last few weeks, I think someone should investigate the feedback they left, the people they trust and distrust, the merits they sends and receives. I doubt we will not find unnecessary positive feedback with no trade reference, trust list with backscratching and merit fans to each others.

I don't see much sense in this, as I explained in a previous post. There will be people who will continue to trust Ratimov in the same way that there were people who continued to trust Royse777 when things got ugly, and it will not be rare that among them there will be merits sent back and forth, trust list inclusions or positive feedback without having broken the rules.

Although if someone wants to investigate it, go ahead, and if they get results, present them to the community.

[Plaguedeath]

How do you see the DT strenght in his profile on bpip.org?

Hovering your cursor (if you're use PC) or tap it (if you're use cell phone) on the "DT1".

[nutildah]

@Ratimov: feel free to retaliate, that seems to be your thing. Just know that the users who excluded me are not exactly the most upstanding citizens of Bitcointalk. You'll be in terrible company:

tHAts BEcaUsE yOu'RE tHe LeADeR oF ThE dT mAFiA!!!

Where is c-unter when we need him to explain how the DT Mafia punishes those that dare to go against their agenda?

If its necessary to explain, I'm joking.

I'm just wondering if there's some kind of correlation between an uptick in the price of BTC and an uptick in forum drama. Quite possibly.

1. He self admits directly that he copy-pastes / plagiarizes in 90% of his content => self admitted plagiarism.

As far as I'm concerned, this was a million years ago and its been discussed, analyzed and dissected to death; there's no real reason to keep rehashing it, unless he's still doing it.

[Learn Bitcoin]

@Ratimov: feel free to retaliate, that seems to be your thing. Just know that the users who excluded me are not exactly the most upstanding citizens of Bitcointalk. You'll be in terrible company:

It's true and this part made me laugh when I was reading it. But it sounds like you are threatening him not to do that.

LOL. I got the same vibe but I don't think LoyceV threatening him.

Those who have not removed him from their trust list, not even felt to write a few words in this topic, just ignoring everything about this topic and the other topics created in the last few weeks, I think someone should investigate the feedback they left, the people they trust and distrust, the merits they sends and receives. I doubt we will not find unnecessary positive feedback with no trade reference, trust list with backscratching and merit fans to each others.

Do you eliminate the possibility that the majority of them do not use any kind of Notification bots and ignore the reputation board? I have seen the stats from TryNinja that only 500 users use his Telegram bot and I don't know about LoyceV's notification website users yet. But I highly doubt all of them are aware of this thread. Even if they know about it, I doubt they have read the OP and the discussion happened in the last couple of days. Someone need a couple of cups of coffee to finish reading the whole thing to understand what happened.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Those who have not removed him from their trust list, not even felt to write a few words in this topic, just ignoring everything about this topic and the other topics created in the last few weeks, I think someone should investigate the feedback they left, the people they trust and distrust, the merits they sends and receives. I doubt we will not find unnecessary positive feedback with no trade reference, trust list with backscratching and merit fans to each others.

I don't see much sense in this, as I explained in a previous post. There will be people who will continue to trust Ratimov in the same way that there were people who continued to trust Royse777 when things got ugly, and it will not be rare that among them there will be merits sent back and forth, trust list inclusions or positive feedback without having broken the rules.

I don't think Royce's case was too shady like Ratimov, it was not complected at all. He is playing with the whole system while Royce had a failed project, then he paid for his mistakes with all unpaid payments. He shared the entire incident with some selected members he trusted with information, my best guess is he did not want some personal conversations to be public. But some users did not like that and felt insulted that why he didn't share the same with them. Especially JollyGood felt he should have received all attention.

On the other hand so far we have learned about Ratimov is he is cunning like a fox, using the hole of the system and took all the unethical advantages which are not appreciated by many members so far. It's sad that many were not aware of all of it before the OP brought everything together, but personally I was very concerned about it. If you noticed then I think I was the person who spoke many things against Ratmov from long ago, and I do the same for JollyGood too. Ratimov now got caught in public and I believe some day JollyGood will have the same fate. You are still using 1st generation intel [brain] while I have the fasted processor inside LOL

[examplens]

I finally added ~Ratimov to my list and It seems that he is no longer DT1.



Maybe I should have done it earlier, but I'm not a supporter of crucifying and expelling someone from the forum. I expected a different epilogue.
Although he has pretty much excluded himself from discussions on the rest of the forum, as far as I can see, he is mostly on the local board. I hope that in the end, all this will not demotivate him to continue his life on the forum.

@Ratimov: feel free to retaliate, that seems to be your thing. Just know that the users who excluded me are not exactly the most upstanding citizens of Bitcointalk. You'll be in terrible company:

Now there are a few more exclusions. We will see the reaction after you publish an update on the complete overview of users on DT1 and DT2 and their ratings on Saturday.

How do you see the DT strenght in his profile on bpip.org?

Hovering your cursor (if you're use PC) or tap it (if you're use cell phone) on the "DT1".

It is easier to open the page at bpip.org
DT1 strength: https://bpip.org/Report?r=dtstrength
DT2 strength: https://bpip.org/Report?r=dt2strength

[holydarkness]

Currently his DT strength is 1, which I think sooner or later he will fall out.

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It happened, just a few minutes ago.



I think he "played his card wrong", majority of the DTs were ready to refrain from taking action, understand [probably hoping] that he'll learn from his past mistakes. His recent retaliatory backfired.


Edit: sorry, late for a few minutes and already announced above. I was making this post from the tiny screen of my phone while having my morning coffee.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I finally added ~Ratimov to my list and It seems that he is no longer DT1.

Thank you for involving as well, examplens!
I also take this opportunity to thank to fillippone as well, since he also involved in all this.

I think he "played his card wrong", majority of the DTs were ready to refrain from taking action, understand [probably hoping] that he'll learn from his past mistakes. His recent retaliatory backfired.

I believe that majority of DT users were intimidated by the possibility they'll be excluded by him as well, in revenge; or, even worst -- that they'll receive another monster negative feedback from him, full (as usual) of baseless accusation and insults. After so many years, many (if not all) DT users know what Ratimov does when anyone dares to confront him: abusive Trust exclusion + fake negative feedback (all these combined also with the possibility of receiving also some spoiling from Ratimov). His thug-like approach determined many to not intervene, yet some did it (and were excluded by him, accordingly) and I congratulate them. And those which intervened helped others find their courage / motivation to intervene as well and do something to correct this shocking situation where one individual scares so many others by abusing his DT powers the way he pleases.

He was probably certain that he scared enough people for not having to worry that so many will come to distrust him.

Do you eliminate the possibility that the majority of them do not use any kind of Notification bots and ignore the reputation board?

I believe that this possibility is very unlikely. This topics gathered already 3222 views and it had almost 200 before having any post. LV's thread exposing Ratimov's pathetic attempts to colver his plagiarism by deleting his old threads has 1200+ views. Most likely, a big part of DT users noticed these threads but are still intimidated by this individual.