Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1?

[LoyceV]

as the lattest one was paying 10$/post

Ratimov was last active 4 days ago, which is the day he received his second red tag from DT. I don't know if he was kicked out of the campaign at that point, but the campaign ended yesterday anyway.
I guess we'll find out if he'll be back. He may have a few more Tricks up his sleeve.

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[Synchronice]

So why couldn't he fool theymos as well?

Couldn't imagine if theymos wasn't checking profiles before doing anything with them. 5 minutes is enough for everyone to understand Ratimov's motives of changing account name.

Also, why would someone buy his account? What's the point?

Look Synchronice, don't take me wrong, but you don't quite seem to understand how this forum works.

Recently you said you added Ratimov on your Trust list because you like him, despite any guideline for correct use of Trust system. Eventually, Shishir99 gave you a good advice to stop arguing about the use of Trust system, because you were only exposing yourself more and more about how far you are from understanding it.

Now you are asking why someone would buy his account: to earn money with it, obviously! Account selling is an old practice and, the higher the rank of an account, the bigger the price is. This is because with a higher rank you can enroll in signature campaigns and earn more money as a Legendary -- for example -- compared with a Full Member. And, instead of spending 735 - 1030 days for becoming Legendary (and having also to earn 1000 merits), some cheaters prefer to buy an account. Same applies for accounts of lower ranks, if the cheater is cheap.

Speaking of Ratimov though, he tried his ultimate cheat on this forum: his account was until recently the fourth most merited account on entire forum (and now it's the fifth), so the possessor of such account could earn serious money not only from signature campaigns, but also even more by making custom deals with any company, by wearing its signature. And, as a proof, Ratimov left MixTum campaign for enrolling in Tumbler campaign, as the lattest one was paying 10$/post. Now imagine how much money he could earn from selling his account: the fifth most merited account from the forum and also enrolled in a campaign paying 10$/post! Practically, he would sell a gold mine. It would be a big price for the buyer but such would generate big sources of income. I believe these were his thoughts for his final shenanigan before exiting the stage.

Seriously though, was such question needed...? Aren't all these aspects clear for anyone...?

No, I mean, his account has negative trusts, might also get more negative trusts in near future and in the best case, might get banned too but I don't have that expectation. By the way, every signature campaign states that if user has negative trust from DT members, that user won't be able to enroll in signature campaign and that's why I asked, what's the point of buying an account that has negative trust and other issues?
I can't understand either why Royse let Ratimov to enroll in [banned mixer]'s signature campaign. Logically, he shouldn't have accepted him. If no one cares about trust, then what's the point of pointing it out in thread that users shouldn't have negative trust? Or why did Royse thought his negative trust was okay, I can't understand

[GazetaBitcoin]

No, I mean, his account has negative trusts, might also get more negative trusts in near future

If he sold his account already he probably managed to do it before receiving red tags. If he hasn't yet but he's trying to, it may be more difficult now, but not impossible. After all, it's still fifth most merited account from the forum. A buyer knowing how forum works would realize that this account is still valuable for making money.

in the best case, might get banned too but I don't have that expectation

I don't think he would be banned now, if he wasn't banned already for well documented and proven plagiarism...

By the way, every signature campaign states that if user has negative trust from DT members, that user won't be able to enroll in signature campaign and that's why I asked, what's the point of buying an account that has negative trust and other issues?

Not all campaigns state that. Look at digaran which, until recently, he was enrolled in a campaign while wearing 7 red tags from DT users. It's only up to the manager. If he will consider those feedbacks as irrelevant he can enroll anyone. And I am sure there would be managers interested in having Ratimov enrolled, even with 2 negative feedbacks.

If no one cares about trust, then what's the point of pointing it out in thread that users shouldn't have negative trust? Or why did Royse thought his negative trust was okay, I can't understand

As I stated above, not all campaigns have this rule. About what's the point of leaving feedbacks: it's for the sake of users which may be tempted to make deals with these accounts -- by reading those feedbacks they may avoid being scammed. Last, but not least, about Royse: Royse is a perfect example of how a campaign manager should not act. Winning the Antihero "award" at BCA 2022 was no coincidence. If enrolling digaran, which has 7 red tags is not enough proof, you may read here some more about Royse. He actually tends to act like Ratimov in some parts, lol.

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I don't know if he was kicked out of the campaign at that point, but the campaign ended yesterday anyway.

He and two other members made a deal in that campaign outside the official campaign, probably directly with the owner. As far as I understood, they were even paid in advance (for several months), so the campaign's closing does not apply to them. Of course, they will return the money because the promotion of the mixer will not be possible after 31.12
I think philipma1957 wrote somewhere about his deal, and the manager confirmed it somehow.

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Considering the new rules that will be applied from January 1st, the decision has been made that we will end the campaign on Bitcointalk, and it's effective from this announcement. You are free to remove the bio information. If anything changes then Tumbler management hopes to come back to this forum again.
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philipma1957
The Sceptical Chymist
Symmetrick

This announcement does not effect above mentioned members.

[LoyceV]

Of course, they will return the money because the promotion of the mixer will not be possible after 31.12

Is it confirmed Royse777 paid in advance for someone who created so much drama? This would explain his absence for 4 days, he may never come back.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Of course, they will return the money because the promotion of the mixer will not be possible after 31.12

They will? I mean he. He will? Oo

It it confirmed Royse777 paid in advance for someone who created so much drama?

That, plus the fact that he enrolled a user with 7 negative tags from DT LMAO!

Speaking of Ratimov though, he tried his ultimate cheat on this forum: [...] imagine how much money he could earn from selling his account [...] I believe these were his thoughts for his final shenanigan before exiting the stage.

^Disregard that, I was wrong. Now this was, perhaps, his last move before doing the Houdini move:

This would explain his absence for 4 days, he may never come back.

I did not anticipate that he will also take a payment in advance for a service he won't provide =)))

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It it confirmed Royse777 paid in advance for someone who created so much drama? This would explain his absence for 4 days, he may never come back.

As I said, philipma1957 already wrote about his deal with Tumbler, so I assume that all three users highlighted above have at least a similar agreement. It was said in a completely different context, and I am somehow sure that philip would not invent such things.

Okay I have the 6 month 180 day deal set up with [banned mixer]

I need posts counted by you.

I added signature.

this is first post 43836

I will add avatar in a minute.

or

The ban cost me well over 3000 usd and frankly I support it.

Would have not wanted to lose my six month prepaid signature contract. Had to refund ⅔ of it. But I think towing the government line still needs to be done.

As for Rattrick, we will probably know his status only after January 1st.
I somehow think that he just rented his account, why should they miss such an opportunity to make money.

Of course, they will return the money because the promotion of the mixer will not be possible after 31.12

They will? I mean he. He will? Oo

There were three users with special status. Whether or not all of them want to return the money, I can't answer that.

[Shishir99]

Is it confirmed Royse777 paid in advance for someone who created so much drama? This would explain his absence for 4 days, he may never come back.

LoyceV and GazetaBitcoin, It wasn't Royse who hired Symmetrick and two other members for the campaign. It was [banned mixer] itself who had contracted with these three users and Royse's job was to check their posts. This is another reason why the campaign has ended already, but it does not affect these three users. It seems [banned mixer] was contacting some special forum members to hire them. philipma1957 and The Sceptical Chymist can confirm what I am saying. You can also understand if you have checked the campaign spreadsheet. Their payroll is C-type (Contract type). So, it's not Royse who paid them in advance.

[digaran]

If enrolling digaran, which has 7 red tags is not enough proof

Pst, it was 3 red tags, I collected 4 after joining, FOR NO REASON, but that's not the point, the point is, DT tags could be given to anyone for arbitrary and stupid reasons or no reasons at all, for all we know you could be living next door to your love buddy ico something, lol.  There is also no way for you to know whether I have a few alter ego accounts in there or not, unless  you control the whole system  or have KYC from every DT member.

In case you missed it, the moment JG tagged me without ever providing any reason or explanation whatsoever, I immediately went to meta on a related topic and talked about the trust system being rendered useless by the efforts of such irresponsible DT's. BUT you know, there is this mentality here, when you get a tag, why not get 7, after all, you must have done something to deserve it, RIGHT? second lol.
Do not mistake my apology via PM with fear, that was respect, please note that, when I picked the stick everyone shat their pants and ran off from this forum, and you know, it was a mistake apparently to come to this topic and inject some long lost BALLS into some people to then later they come here one by one to speak up against symm's tyranny. So don't talk like I'm a freaking scammer WITH 7 tags, keep the thanks for yourself.  now keep mentioning me more, I need more fuel for my engine. 😉

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Is it confirmed Royse777 paid in advance for someone who created so much drama? This would explain his absence for 4 days, he may never come back.

LoyceV and GazetaBitcoin, It wasn't Royse who hired Symmetrick and two other members for the campaign. It was [banned mixer] itself who had contracted with these three users and Royse's job was to check their posts. This is another reason why the campaign has ended already, but it does not affect these three users. It seems [banned mixer] was contacting some special forum members to hire them. philipma1957 and The Sceptical Chymist can confirm what I am saying.

Let's see what philipma1957 says:

Okay I have the 6 month 180 day deal set up with [banned mixer]

The ban cost me well over 3000 usd and frankly I support it.

Would have not wanted to lose my six month prepaid signature contract. Had to refund ⅔ of it.

So I understand that he and those who are in the same case received the payment in advance, among them Symmetrick, they do keep the payment for wearing the signature until 31 December and they will have to make a refund. In the case of philipma1957 he has already done so, and I understand that it will be 2/3, which in principle does not fit with having worked only one of the six months for the large number of posts he writes.

It would be interesting to know if Symmetrick has returned the money, which will be more than $3,000 as well, I understand. If he hasn't already, I think there's a big risk that he won't pay it back.

[GazetaBitcoin]

It would be interesting to know if Symmetrick has returned the money, which will be more than $3,000 as well, I understand. If he hasn't already, I think there's a big risk that he won't pay it back.

And this was precisely what I and LV were thinking about:

Of course, they will return the money because the promotion of the mixer will not be possible after 31.12

They will? I mean he. He will? Oo

LoyceV and GazetaBitcoin, It wasn't Royse who hired Symmetrick and two other members for the campaign. It was [banned mixer] itself who had contracted with these three users

I guess it doesn't matter too much from where the money came from. Could be from Royse, from Tumbler themselves or from Lauda's uncle, lol. The problem is if Ratimov returned the money; in case he didn't return then the question is if he will return them -- especially seeing that he is offline for 4 days already. This is why I said that

Now this was, perhaps, his last move before doing the Houdini move

Meaning to pickpocket another huge amount, after he will also not pay one more huge amount (0.0435 BTC) to Halab's contest, where he declared himself as sponsor).

[AB de Royse777]

philipma1957, The Sceptical Chymist, Symmetrick (and my guess is a few more) were personally invited by the management, I came to know it after I sent PM to philipma1957, The Sceptical Chymist. Later in the discussion between me and the management I learnt that Symmetrick was also one of them. As per my understanding they all were paid upfront for 6 months (management and I, never had a detailed conversation about it though).

When [banned mixer] launched their first review campaign, Symmetrick did a great job. If I remember correctly at the time of 2nd review Symmetrick was clean. His, TryNinja's and others reviews helped the team a lot. So my best guess is Symmetrick made a great impression for them. Besides considering his contribution on the forum he was one of the most valuable member in the community so I did not see anything wrong when everything was conducted.

Regarding refund, I read the same as you all from the post of philipma1957, I have no other information.

@Symmetrick, sorry to see the recent development however indeed your contribution in Tumbler project was appreciated greatly. Thank you.

[digaran]

So sir Royse777, tell us, has he teleported to your new safe haven yet to continue the campaign or not?
And if he has received $3000 or more, doesn't necessarily mean he ran off with the money, he could have returned the money or even made a new deal with them,  but regardless of what is going on, nobody other than tumbler service can accuse him for scam, so I'd suggest everyone to refrain accusing him for things you are not a part of. Since this is between a service and symm alone.

[AB de Royse777]

I still haven't heard anything negative about Symmetrick from [banned mixer] team. If there are any negative thing happen then I am sure I will be the first person who will know about it. So, right now it looks all good until there is any update.

[Shishir99]

I guess it doesn't matter too much from where the money came from. Could be from Royse, from Tumbler themselves or from Lauda's uncle, lol. The problem is if Ratimov returned the money; in case he didn't return then the question is if he will return them -- especially seeing that he is offline for 4 days already. This is why I said that.

Actually, I was writing to LoyceV because he said this;

Is it confirmed Royse777 paid in advance for someone who created so much drama?

But I also mentioned you so you also read this. In case LoyceV wanted to say that it was a bad decision from Royse because they hired Symmertrick after all that drama, I wanted to correct him that it wasn't him who made the decision. But yes, regarding the payment, no matter who paid that, if symmertrick does not pay back, I guess we might see several red tags on his profile.

[dkbit98]

The problem is if Ratimov returned the money; in case he didn't return then the question is if he will return them -- especially seeing that he is offline for 4 days already.

I am sure that was not the real Ratimov, he is long gone, and now person who purchased account from him is also gone (most likely) forever.
As much as original Ratimov was not perfect I don't think he would ever become scammer like this.
Let's calculate how much this guy earned... for six months of doing nothing, it was probably between $3600 and $6000 worth of Bitcoin, minus amount he paid to Ratimov for account purchase.
Doing individual deal with account like this that changed hands was... very high risk.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Heads-up about Ratimov / Symmetrick's situation:

- The number of those which trust him decreases week after week. At same time, the number of those distrusting him grows week after week. At the moment 34 users trust him, while 59 distrust him.
- nimogsm, sky999, my luck and Snork1979 stopped trusting him, while DaveF (DT1), witcher_sense (DT1), CryptoPravda and sky999 distrusted him. Thank you for your involvement!
- He is still trusted by a substantial number of 34 users (including 3 from DT1) from which only 15 are recently active: Zilon, Julien_Olynpic, bubbalex, madnessteat, FontSeli, ajanwalker, Gianluca95, rby, FutureBitcoin, dimonstration, whyrqa, CarnagexD, imhoneer, Best_Change, KTChampions.

[LoyceV]

I left Ratimov (now Symmetrick^*) neutral feedback:

I'll counter all the positive feedback Ratimov received. He deleted half his Merited posts, all feedback and Flag Support. He changed his nickname. After lots of name calling, he ignored all accusations made against him. He stopped posting in English. Some say the account changed ownership. He backed out of a $1600 sponsorship. I don't know what's going on, but I'm certain his attitude towards the forum changed. Let me put it this way for users who left positive feedback: would you trust this account again now? I don't. I think trading with this person is high-risk. Read the Reference topic.

I had to squeeze it to fit the 600 character limit.

For anyone who left Ratimov positive feedback in the past: Let me put it this way: would you trust Ratimov again now? I think "trading with this person is high-risk" applies at the moment, and for that, changing historic positive feedback can help protect others.

^* Normally, I respect name changes for privacy, but in this case, I don't think it's right to change your username right before you abandon the English boards and shortly after that stop posting entirely.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I left Ratimov (now Symmetrick^*) neutral feedback:

[...] would you trust this account again now? I don't. I think trading with this person is high-risk. Read the Reference topic.

If trading with Ratimov Symmetrick is high risk then shouldn't this feedback be a negative one though?

[Poker Player]

If trading with Ratimov Symmetrick is high risk then shouldn't this feedback be a negative one though?

Of course. And LoyceV is well aware of it.