Oscar Awards and movies bets and discussions

[criptoevangelista]

Do you believe in the aberration that internet sites have become?

I came across the bizarre news of a giant Brazilian website explaining who the guitarist who played with Ryan Gosling during the 2024 Oscars was... That's right, people from the new generation or even current journalists don't know who SLASH is? ?? Oh my god what a world we are in.


https://revistaquem.globo.com/entretenimento/series-e-filmes/noticia/2024/03/quem-e-slash-o-guitarrista-que-tocou-com-ryan-gosling-no-oscar-2024.ghtml

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[Rikafip]

We can bet beginning today. If Dune is not nominated for all of best picture, best director and best adapted screenplay on the oscar awards for 2025, you will win $50. However, if Dune 2 wins best director, best adapted screenplay and best best picture give me 20x odds on my $50. Is asking for 20x odds too much? You can argue for this, however, it is also presently very early to know if Dune 2 will be in the oscar awards. This might be a $50 donation for you hehehe.

An interesting proposal but I think in the end it would end uo like your previous bet- no one winning. Its almost certain that Dune Part 2 will get nominated in those categories you mentioned, while I think its unlikely it wins the Best Picture one. Even though I liked Dune 2, it will be a weak year if that is the best movie of 2024.

@Rikafip. In the cinema, in english, without subtitles.

If they don't show subtitles in your cinema, that means you are from English speaking country?

Also, if you have HBO Max or HBO Go, Dune 2 might be available on April 15.

Or if you don't mind downloading from trackers. Anyway, looking forward to April 15th to watch it once again.

[STT]

Slash retired from mainstream in effect I think, I've seen him doing more low key shows with a singer thats not Axyl Rose because they dont get on [actually Im out of date the old group do play together now but still they are old guard greats ]
You can only be at the top tier of mainstream famous for so long then you become a Legend and ironically legends can be forgotten until a new generation discovers their work as if its new and finds greatness again  

Theres going to be some people watching the Oscars who only know the younger actors, they wont really have a clue who Anthony Hopkins is and he did actually win an Oscar in recent years so theres no excuse but it wasnt a young persons film at all.  Thats almost worst because Oscars is probably more about the actors and those known on screen but I realize its awards for everyone within a production as well.   John Williams might be the most famous of all with 50 nominations, it would be silly to say but perhaps some dont know who he is either.

A while back the stunt men wanted an oscar put into as a category because so much of the work they do remains essential and they give up alot to do the job quite often.  But it appears thats one hidden job that wont be uncovered especially this time, maybe because they are often look alikes its confusing possibly.

[criptoevangelista]

Slash retired from mainstream in effect I think, I've seen him doing more low key shows with a singer thats not Axyl Rose because they dont get on [actually Im out of date the old group do play together now but still they are old guard greats ]
You can only be at the top tier of mainstream famous for so long then you become a Legend and ironically legends can be forgotten until a new generation discovers their work as if its new and finds greatness again  

Theres going to be some people watching the Oscars who only know the younger actors, they wont really have a clue who Anthony Hopkins is and he did actually win an Oscar in recent years so theres no excuse but it wasnt a young persons film at all.  Thats almost worst because Oscars is probably more about the actors and those known on screen but I realize its awards for everyone within a production as well.   John Williams might be the most famous of all with 50 nominations, it would be silly to say but perhaps some dont know who he is either.

A while back the stunt men wanted an oscar put into as a category because so much of the work they do remains essential and they give up alot to do the job quite often.  But it appears thats one hidden job that wont be uncovered especially this time, maybe because they are often look alikes its confusing possibly.

Maybe what you saw was Slash together with Myles Kennedy, they have a band and it's been going on for over 10 years, they've released some good records.

Slash reunited with Axl Rose in 2016, on April 1st at the Troubadour, the story behind it is pretty cool, it was celebrating April Fools' Day with a surprise Guns N' Roses reunion show (who would believe it?) haha, I thought: it was a genius marketing move.

The new generation will never really know who the great actors of the past are and what they represent in the history of cinema. The Oscar lost a little meaning for me, it has established quotas to compete for the big prize. The main requirement to compete should be art and nothing else.

[bbc.reporter]

We can bet beginning today. If Dune is not nominated for all of best picture, best director and best adapted screenplay on the oscar awards for 2025, you will win $50. However, if Dune 2 wins best director, best adapted screenplay and best best picture give me 20x odds on my $50. Is asking for 20x odds too much? You can argue for this, however, it is also presently very early to know if Dune 2 will be in the oscar awards. This might be a $50 donation for you hehehe.

An interesting proposal but I think in the end it would end uo like your previous bet- no one winning. Its almost certain that Dune Part 2 will get nominated in those categories you mentioned, while I think its unlikely it wins the Best Picture one. Even though I liked Dune 2, it will be a weak year if that is the best movie of 2024.

@Rikafip. In the cinema, in english, without subtitles.

If they don't show subtitles in your cinema, that means you are from English speaking country?

Also, if you have HBO Max or HBO Go, Dune 2 might be available on April 15.

Or if you don't mind downloading from trackers. Anyway, looking forward to April 15th to watch it once again.

It appears that I have not made the proposal very clear. If Dune 2 is not nominated for all of best picture, best director and best adapted screenplay, I lose the bet. Also, if Dune 2 does not win on all of best picture, best director and best adapted screenplay, I also lose the bet. However, if this movie wins on these 3 categories mentioned, I win 20x of the bet. This is a donation for the other bettor if he accepts hehe.

[Rikafip]

It appears that I have not made the proposal very clear.

Yep, in your initial proposal you didn't mention what happens if Dune 2 gets nominated in all those categories but doesn't win them (which I think is the most probable scenario), and that's why I said that it will have the same result like your previous bet.

Anyway, if you bet on time Dune winning those categories, I reckon you might get way higher odd than 20 from the bookies.

[Saint-loup]

It appears that I have not made the proposal very clear. If Dune 2 is not nominated for all of best picture, best director and best adapted screenplay, I lose the bet. Also, if Dune 2 does not win on all of best picture, best director and best adapted screenplay, I also lose the bet. However, if this movie wins on these 3 categories mentioned, I win 20x of the bet. This is a donation for the other bettor if he accepts hehe.

What do you mean precisely when you say " if Dune 2 does not win on all of best picture, best director and best adapted screenplay, I also lose the bet". Do you mean if Dune 2 doesn't win an Oscar in any of those categories, that is to say if the movie doesn't win one Oscar award at least in one of these 3 categories?
Usually I don't like betting long time before one event and we are 11 months before but I must confess I find that funny to bet against you on those events. And I am ready to risk $1000 for this fun lol

[bbc.reporter]

It appears that I have not made the proposal very clear. If Dune 2 is not nominated for all of best picture, best director and best adapted screenplay, I lose the bet. Also, if Dune 2 does not win on all of best picture, best director and best adapted screenplay, I also lose the bet. However, if this movie wins on these 3 categories mentioned, I win 20x of the bet. This is a donation for the other bettor if he accepts hehe.

What do you mean precisely when you say " if Dune 2 does not win on all of best picture, best director and best adapted screenplay, I also lose the bet". Do you mean if Dune 2 doesn't win an Oscar in any of those categories, that is to say if the movie doesn't win one Oscar award at least in one of these 3 categories?
Usually I don't like betting long time before one event and we are 11 months before but I must confess I find that funny to bet against you on those events. And I am ready to risk $1000 for this fun lol

Yes if Dune 2 does not win all of the 3 categories on best picture, best director and best adapted screenplay, I lose the bet. If Dune 2 is also not officially nominated on the same categories for best picture, best director and best adapted screenplay you can collect your money immediately.

Let us escrow the bets to someone who is trustworthy next week if you agree. Also, because the amount of $1000 is very big to bet against my small $50, you can buy out from the bet and pay only 50% of the amount escrowed beginning on October. My bet will have no buy out, it will be my donation for you heheheheheee.

[Saint-loup]

Ok but do you know how much will take an escrow for holding $1050 during one year? If he takes 10% of the funds it will cost $105. In addition we must be sure he won't leave the forum or getting ill during this year. The other issue to address is the price of BTC during this year. What we will do if it makes +100% or -50%? We will let the funds as they are or we will remove or complete the amount before the ceremony?

[bbc.reporter]

Ok but do you know how much will take an escrow for holding $1050 during one year? If he takes 10% of the funds it will cost $105. In addition we must be sure he won't leave the forum or getting ill during this year. The other issue to address is the price of BTC during this year. What we will do if it makes +100% or -50%? We will let the funds as they are or we will remove or complete the amount before the ceremony?

I will ask some of the campaign managers if they want to be our escrow for our bet. They are the most trustworthy people in this forum, I reckon. However, if we cannot find one we use the forum's trust system. It might be good to inform one of the D2 members to become the referee for this bet?

On bitcoin's volatility, if we can agree on an escrow we can use a stablecoin. I certainly want to use stablecoin where we can also have cheaper fees for this.

[Saint-loup]

Ok but do you know how much will take an escrow for holding $1050 during one year? If he takes 10% of the funds it will cost $105. In addition we must be sure he won't leave the forum or getting ill during this year. The other issue to address is the price of BTC during this year. What we will do if it makes +100% or -50%? We will let the funds as they are or we will remove or complete the amount before the ceremony?

I will ask some of the campaign managers if they want to be our escrow for our bet. They are the most trustworthy people in this forum, I reckon. However, if we cannot find one we use the forum's trust system. It might be good to inform one of the D2 members to become the referee for this bet?

On bitcoin's volatility, if we can agree on an escrow we can use a stablecoin. I certainly want to use stablecoin where we can also have cheaper fees for this.

I am not against using a stablecoin, at least we wouldn't have to care about price volatility of the funds anymore. But we still have to find a workaround for the other issue, the one about the fees asked by the escrows for such service. Paying $20+ fees while risking $1000(if I lose or if the escrow disappears) for eventually winning $50 wouldn't be very interesting for me tbh.

[bbc.reporter]

Ok but do you know how much will take an escrow for holding $1050 during one year? If he takes 10% of the funds it will cost $105. In addition we must be sure he won't leave the forum or getting ill during this year. The other issue to address is the price of BTC during this year. What we will do if it makes +100% or -50%? We will let the funds as they are or we will remove or complete the amount before the ceremony?

I will ask some of the campaign managers if they want to be our escrow for our bet. They are the most trustworthy people in this forum, I reckon. However, if we cannot find one we use the forum's trust system. It might be good to inform one of the D2 members to become the referee for this bet?

On bitcoin's volatility, if we can agree on an escrow we can use a stablecoin. I certainly want to use stablecoin where we can also have cheaper fees for this.

I am not against using a stablecoin, at least we wouldn't have to care about price volatility of the funds anymore. But we still have to find a workaround for the other issue, the one about the fees asked by the escrows for such service. Paying $20+ fees while risking $1000(if I lose or if the escrow disappears) for eventually winning $50 wouldn't be very interesting for me tbh.

The amount of the bet has made this to be more serious and losing $1000 for this would certainly be painful if the escrow will not send the funds. Another suggestion would be to use the forum's trust system and ask one of the D2 members to be the referee if one of us does not pay the bet, however, I do not want to do this to you because you are betting $1000 against only $50. It is much easier for me to pay $50, I can give it to you right now as a donation but losing $1000 is very painful hehehehe.

In any case, if you want we use no escrow, no referees, however, we make the bet smaller. Your $300 and my $30 with no buy out.

@Rikafip you will be the witness hehehee.

[Saint-loup]

The amount of the bet has made this to be more serious and losing $1000 for this would certainly be painful if the escrow will not send the funds. Another suggestion would be to use the forum's trust system and ask one of the D2 members to be the referee if one of us does not pay the bet, however, I do not want to do this to you because you are betting $1000 against only $50. It is much easier for me to pay $50, I can give it to you right now as a donation but losing $1000 is very painful hehehehe.

In any case, if you want we use no escrow, no referees, however, we make the bet smaller. Your $300 and my $30 with no buy out.

@Rikafip you will be the witness hehehee.

If I publicly accept the bet, it implicitly implies that I play my account and my reputation along with the $1000. Even without a dedicated referee. And ofc I'm ok with that. It's an unwritten rule of Bitcointalk, if you don't respect an agreement made through the forum, you deserve to be tagged by any DT member. So of course, I took that into consideration when I said I was interested. I have no problem with that, referee or not. And I think the $500 buy out option is a fair safety against that if for some reasons I can't or don't want anymore risking $1000. But we need to agree how to use it. I can exercise it anytime till October? Or only during October month? The last day to use it would be October 31th 2024?

[el kaka22]

I would never be part of this "bet", but I would like to warn, whoever wants to bet on Dune 2 to win, even the movie producers themselves did not really rely on winning the Oscars, usually there is a time slot where you share your movies, which is about late summer, going into autumn as well.

Because that way you are not only doing the tour, but also you are doing the tv shows etc that is leading up to award season, then you get to go to other award shows and start winning them, which is tied to your tour, so you are non stop on the road, and then ends with Oscars. That way from release at late summer period, like late august, until the Oscars, the actors are ALWAYS on screen for a reason, making it more famous. Dune 2 already released, and the Oscars are a year away, they did not expect it, and you shouldn't neither.

[bbc.reporter]

The amount of the bet has made this to be more serious and losing $1000 for this would certainly be painful if the escrow will not send the funds. Another suggestion would be to use the forum's trust system and ask one of the D2 members to be the referee if one of us does not pay the bet, however, I do not want to do this to you because you are betting $1000 against only $50. It is much easier for me to pay $50, I can give it to you right now as a donation but losing $1000 is very painful hehehehe.

In any case, if you want we use no escrow, no referees, however, we make the bet smaller. Your $300 and my $30 with no buy out.

@Rikafip you will be the witness hehehee.

If I publicly accept the bet, it implicitly implies that I play my account and my reputation along with the $1000. Even without a dedicated referee. And ofc I'm ok with that. It's an unwritten rule of Bitcointalk, if you don't respect an agreement made through the forum, you deserve to be tagged by any DT member. So of course, I took that into consideration when I said I was interested. I have no problem with that, referee or not. And I think the $500 buy out option is a fair safety against that if for some reasons I can't or don't want anymore risking $1000. But we need to agree how to use it. I can exercise it anytime till October? Or only during October month? The last day to use it would be October 31th 2024?

You can exercise the buy out option until the day before the awarding night on March 2025. I am not quite certain on the date, however, yes the day before the Oscar ceremony occurs. Also, if I am being honest with you, I am not feeling very comfortable for you on betting $1000 against $50. Are you sure about this? Have you seen the movie? It is quite good hehehehee.

In any case, if you want to propose to make this bet $500 against $50 with a buy out option of $250, I would accept this if you agree.

[Saint-loup]

Wow you're very sure of your bet bro, that's impressive. You should really like the movie, or finding it very artistic/academic at least. Of course, I would be ready to accept that. But you should take a little bit more time IMO. $500 and $250 are not small amounts but the risk to lose your bet is not small either IMO even if I have absolutely no idea of the likelihood to happen, to be honest. I should watch the movie on monday if I have enough time to go to the theater.

[bbc.reporter]

@Saint-loup. Yes, I would very much recommend to watch Dune 2 in a theatre alone with all of your snacks ready and going to toilet before it begins to make it certain that you will not go to toilet during the movie hehehehe. I have seen the movie 3 times. The 3rd time was only at home with a clear enough copy on tv. It was a different experience on tv. In the theatre, the movie gave me much more emotion and excitement. I will not spoil it, however, the ending of this movie is the most very perfect ending for a movie. This frenchman has raised the standard for directing movies, I reckon

[Saint-loup]

If you're talking about Denis Villeneuve, he's not french, he is Canadian, from the french speaking part, that is to say he is a Quebecer actually. I'm not a big fan of him and his aesthetic, but it's a great director for sure. And from what I read, he has been chosen to direct the last chapter of the saga, Dune III.  So I guess we will see the same characters and actors again. The movie is expected to be released in 2 or 3 years.
https://www.theverge.com/24121523/dune-3-denis-villeneuve-legendary-messiah

[bbc.reporter]

@Saint-loup. Thank you for the correction. However, yes a Canadian with French ancestors. This is still the French in him that have made him create very good movies, I reckon. It is very head scratching for me that you mentioned you do not like his style. Sicario and Arrival are very good movies with very good sound, cinematography and the feeling being given to the person is very capturing of the attention. I will watch Dune 2 again hehehehe.

On Dune 3, he has already mentioned that the script is ready, however, he also mentioned that he wants to rest from the Dune universe and make another type movie. I speculate this to be Sicario 2. I also very much like to see this hehehe. I predict Dune 3 might arrive in 5 years.

[pinggoki]

If you're talking about Denis Villeneuve, he's not french, he is Canadian, from the french speaking part, that is to say he is a Quebecer actually. I'm not a big fan of him and his aesthetic, but it's a great director for sure. And from what I read, he has been chosen to direct the last chapter of the saga, Dune III.  So I guess we will see the same characters and actors again. The movie is expected to be released in 2 or 3 years.
https://www.theverge.com/24121523/dune-3-denis-villeneuve-legendary-messiah

If you read the book, that's not yet the last part of the saga, it would be a trilogy not a saga since saga needs to be more than 3 I think. It's also the 2nd book of the series that's going to get the adaptation too which is nice since that means that there's a possibility that everyone will be able to see and experience the Dune saga from start to finish without having the need to read the book because most of the time, people don't have the time to read books which is sad and alarming. If they do follow how the book plays out and they won't cast the same actor for any other character, probably that's the last time we'd see some of the characters, the only recurring character that would retain their casting all throughout would be Jason Momoa's character, Duncan Idaho.