Ban from a Casino for Nothing Other Than Winning Too Much Money

[crwth]

It shows that he is a fortunate person and would be hard to replicate. It's always going to be on a case-to-case basis and the casino has that kind of power and it's their choice. Winning too much is either they can't prove his cheating or they don't want people like him to dominate and overcome the house edge.

[uneng]

What I can say is that casinos usually ban players who are winning too much money when they suspect these players are cheating somehow. But if the player is playing legitimately, they have no reason to ban him, because at some point he will hit the long term, consequently losing money to the house. About Dana White, maybe he is playing too high and casinos can't or don't want to cover a loss if the gambler wins the bet. It might be too painful for the house's bankroll to afford a loss against him. On the other hand, I think it's a dumb measure. Instead of banning him, they should just decrease the maximum bet size allowed.

[Cookdata]

Let's take a moment to think about this and tell me if I am correct. All of the people whom I have observed getting banned from gambling at casinos by the casino management, aside from misconduct and other offenses, are individuals who keep winning significant amounts of money. For instance, consider Dana White.  

He has been prohibited from playing at some of the city’s best casinos, including the Wynn and the Palms, due to his high-stakes gambling habits.  The UFC president is an avid gambler who has won substantial sums of money while spending hours at the tables in his chosen state of Nevada. But after some of his spectacular winning streaks, large hotel and casino locations like the Wynn have previously given him trouble. https://www.insidesport.in/accused-of-bankrupting-hotel-dana-white-explains-getting-banned-racking-up/#:~:text=He%20has%20been%20prohibited%20from,his%20chosen%20state%20of%20Nevada.

The way I perceive it is that if a person who is not cheating or engaging in illegal gambling activities consistently wins, the casino is highly likely to ban that person, just as they did with Dana White.

Banning look harsh, if there is an allegations of cheating, the casino must explain the evidence of cheating if not, the player reserve the right to sue except their is a terms and conditions attached that was accepted willing or unwilling that says when a player is found winning multiple time, then there is chances of disabling the said user from coming back to the casino but even with that, it's not ideal to ban user from playing because they want to preserve the player from winning.

It's not nice, but casino might also be logical to do so because it's not possible for a gambler to be winning everytime, the casino understood the system better and they know how the algorithm work, they know you weren't supposed to win. Infact, this actually define what gambling companies want all the time, you need to lose so they can make their money continuesly and they don't ban when you lose but it become a problem when you win, it's a real gambling when you lose but cheating when you win, clownish right. 

[erep]

About Dana White, maybe he is playing too high and casinos can't or don't want to cover a loss if the gambler wins the bet. It might be too painful for the house's bankroll to afford a loss against him. On the other hand, I think it's a dumb measure. Instead of banning him, they should just decrease the maximum bet size allowed.

I also thought the same thing, usually gambling bankroll houses target whale gamblers who place high bets on gambling, white plays a real casino so there are no bugs exploited to harm the casino bankroll and he probably has a special trick to increase the winnings from each bet, I didn't expect it he had won $7 million for the night and the casinos were not ready to empty their bankrolls for one skilled gambler.

We already know the reason he is not allowed to gamble at the hotel, the casino is not ready to bear big losses if he can win millions of dollars again in the next gambling, the right solution as you said above is that the casino must determine the maximum betting limit to avoid high winnings for the gambler.

[retreat]

We think that what casinos do is unfair because everyone should be treated the same when entering a gambling place, but if we look at the casino business side we can understand that they do it for their business purposes. The presence of people who have a high win rate means that casino profits will decrease and that is quite dangerous for their business. So what the casinos do is quite reasonable considering that they are also businesses and need to make a profit.

[Fortify]

Let's take a moment to think about this and tell me if I am correct. All of the people whom I have observed getting banned from gambling at casinos by the casino management, aside from misconduct and other offenses, are individuals who keep winning significant amounts of money. For instance, consider Dana White.  

He has been prohibited from playing at some of the city’s best casinos, including the Wynn and the Palms, due to his high-stakes gambling habits.  The UFC president is an avid gambler who has won substantial sums of money while spending hours at the tables in his chosen state of Nevada. But after some of his spectacular winning streaks, large hotel and casino locations like the Wynn have previously given him trouble. https://www.insidesport.in/accused-of-bankrupting-hotel-dana-white-explains-getting-banned-racking-up/#:~:text=He%20has%20been%20prohibited%20from,his%20chosen%20state%20of%20Nevada.

The way I perceive it is that if a person who is not cheating or engaging in illegal gambling activities consistently wins, the casino is highly likely to ban that person, just as they did with Dana White.

You do not know if the are cheating or not, especially with things like blackjack where it is just suspicion that somebody is engaged in card counting for example. Card counting is not illegal, but it will give an advantage to the player in a casino when every game has been engineered towards giving the house an edge. That article specifically says at the end, he is not banned from any of the casinos, but his buy in is most likely severely limited or he will be forced to play fixed amounts in certain games so he cannot use strategies that the casinos consider abusive. Casinos love high rollers, they are just as susceptible to the engineered odds as every other player but just pay out vastly bigger amounts when they lose.

[chaser15]

The way I perceive it is that if a person who is not cheating or engaging in illegal gambling activities consistently wins, the casino is highly likely to ban that person, just as they did with Dana White.

Dana White's consistent win is different from those gamblers who also consistently win.

Aside from the fact that he always wins, those wins are really huge amounts that in the long run, it can turn the table upside down against casinos. To solve that, the casino just put him on restrictions and did not allow him to play anymore on their casinos. What a plan lol.

As far as I know, as a popular personality, Dana White is always welcome to visit these casinos, but just not allowed to play.

[tiCeR]

Let's take a moment to think about this and tell me if I am correct. All of the people whom I have observed getting banned from gambling at casinos by the casino management, aside from misconduct and other offenses, are individuals who keep winning significant amounts of money. For instance, consider Dana White.  

He has been prohibited from playing at some of the city’s best casinos, including the Wynn and the Palms, due to his high-stakes gambling habits.  The UFC president is an avid gambler who has won substantial sums of money while spending hours at the tables in his chosen state of Nevada. But after some of his spectacular winning streaks, large hotel and casino locations like the Wynn have previously given him trouble. https://www.insidesport.in/accused-of-bankrupting-hotel-dana-white-explains-getting-banned-racking-up/#:~:text=He%20has%20been%20prohibited%20from,his%20chosen%20state%20of%20Nevada.

The way I perceive it is that if a person who is not cheating or engaging in illegal gambling activities consistently wins, the casino is highly likely to ban that person, just as they did with Dana White.

I think in such a case as you have described, when casinos of that magnitude are involved, they can afford to ban players with big names because they are literally booked out regardless of whom they ban. If a casino here we know from Bitcointalk was provenly banning players who win a lot, it might have some impact on bitcointalk people to choose their casinos. But especially in Nevada the customer frequency is so high that nobody probably even knows about it. But what I think is odd is that they could just set account limits and rather sooner than later the player would probably become a losing player.

[asyakashi]

I think it makes the bookie lose. but it would be great if there was a gambler who always won in his gambling. Well, if it were me, I would stop gambling because gambling is no longer challenging, in fact they are afraid of someone who always wins at their gambling. I would try new challenges if I were him.

[swogerino]

This is the problem with big player playing on a small casinos, and having that winning streak can make the casino bankrupt and that is why they have to make a precautionary action and their last resort is to ban you on their casinos and that’s reasonable as long as the casino did’t hold your funds and lets you withdraw it. I think the casino can have the power to do this in order to protect their business, but of course you should be able to get your money in full.  

That is why it is wrong for whales that are the big players to play in small casinos,they risk their money as the casino cannot pay them,the small one will buy time by putting the withdraw at pending and hoping that the whale will continue to play.It is always advisable to play in big casinos as there are a lot of people playing there almost all the time and when a lot of people play the chances to win it big are higher than when playing when only few people are playing in the small casinos,I personally never play in small casinos and I love only playing in the bigger ones.

[livingfree]

That's a common ground for most of the gamblers that could get stopped by the casino that they're playing with. Big wins are like a threat to them even if there's a chance that these gamblers could lose it eventually later on.

The problem that they can see is after winning, they are not going to back and will take the cash with them. And for that reason, they're out and even before those gamblers are out, they're making them out first.

It also varies when they're seeing the activity of those gamblers are not in line with how much they've won. If they're not that active and yet they're winning, that might be a red flag to them.

[btc_angela]

Actually this is nothing new for high roller or professional gambler, first the casino will limit the account, if he's keep winning and drain the casino's money, they will take the last step to ban the account.

Since Dana White was gamble in land based casino, it's more easier for the operator/staff to ban the high roller or professional gambler.

I'm not saying the casino is bad or unethical for doing that, but they must do everything to make their business not going to bankrupt, right?

Yes, and I think Dana can't contest that as it totally based on casinos on who they want to play in their floor. And who can't blame them is Dana continues to win big as he is a whale and betting huge amount in black jack as the video is all over the social media?

I don't think that the casinos are going to go bankrupt though, they just want to not lose money that's it. Dana is really a dog at every thing he does and very lucky as well. However, Dana can still continue to other casinos if I'm not mistaken and then continue his gambling activity.

[Beparanf]

I think it makes the bookie lose. but it would be great if there was a gambler who always won in his gambling. Well, if it were me, I would stop gambling because gambling is no longer challenging, in fact they are afraid of someone who always wins at their gambling. I would try new challenges if I were him.

The guy in this discussion is Dana White which is the president of UFC. He is playing gambling just for entertainment because he is facing many challenges on his business and personal life. I doubt he is challenging casino that’s why he gamble but rather he is just having fun and play accurately with his analysis skills.

He has good source of income for his bankroll that probably exceeds or almost close to the casino which is why he can manage to stay on profit side due to his skills and good bankroll amount to give him more room for recovery through his early losses.

[goldkingcoiner]

Actually this is nothing new for high roller or professional gambler, first the casino will limit the account, if he's keep winning and drain the casino's money, they will take the last step to ban the account.

Since Dana White was gamble in land based casino, it's more easier for the operator/staff to ban the high roller or professional gambler.

I'm not saying the casino is bad or unethical for doing that, but they must do everything to make their business not going to bankrupt, right?

Well, since everyone has the same odds in probability games in gambling, there should be nobody winning constantly unless they are counting cards or something out of the ordinary. Such unexplained winning behavior obviously seem strange for the casino, and they protect their business by getting rid of the problem. In this case, they simply get rid of the gambler. For them this is problem solved. And they are within their right not to let you gamble. What they absolutely cannot do is take away your money without proof that it does not belong to you or that it is stolen/scammed.

Do I think that something like that should ever happen to any other kind of customer? No. But a casino that keeps banning the lucky winners along with the suspicious, constant-winners does not really care about maintaining long-term customer relations anyway.

[cabron]

I heard of such stories where the Casino goons escorted someone playing at the card table to their office to request him to stop playing and never return for winning too much. They do have some reasons but they suspect the guy is counting cards. Dana is not the first.

I doubt Dana has that serious skills. I guess he is just as lucky and not afraid to bluff and call because he has serious capital.

[Jemzx00]

Since Dana White was gamble in land based casino, it's more easier for the operator/staff to ban the high roller or professional gambler.

If you win constantly on a online gambling site, the site may put some restrictions on your account. But as long the gambling site have enough money, you will gamble at ease. People are generally loosing than winning on online casinos and this gives the gambling site advantage. But if a player is gambling and winning in a way he can bankrupt the gambling site, the same thing will happen, just like on land based casinos.

I guess it will be much more stricter when this happens online than on an offline casino. Since we are talking about a very high roller which is a president of UFC himself which we all know have a huge bankroll to bet with. Also, if this happens to an online gambling platform, the account may have been on hold and even a hold with account withdrawal but still it varies depending on how the platform will react to certain winnings streak for these kind of high rollers.

[Westinhome]

We think that what casinos do is unfair because everyone should be treated the same when entering a gambling place, but if we look at the casino business side we can understand that they do it for their business purposes. The presence of people who have a high win rate means that casino profits will decrease and that is quite dangerous for their business. So what the casinos do is quite reasonable considering that they are also businesses and need to make a profit.

Some less bank holding casino will do the mistake of making some big win to get huge number gambler into the game.But the fact is if anyone win the biggest winning,then they do the ban of the winner account.If the winning was made at the low value,both the gambler get money and the gambling site can run for the longer period.If the gambling site is good one,they will do the gambling winning which was afford by their holding.Then the gambling site won’t ban the winner gambling account at any point.

[Viscore]

If that was the casinos decision to ban Dana White on their premises, nothing Dana can do but just have fun on them. The casino can do that anytime in a professional way. Since Dana is now damaging the overall revenue of the casino, they decide to kicked him out. Maybe at first, the said casinos are happy that there's a big whale spending money on them but later on, Dana now become a big threat lol.

Lucky Dana. Even he's a whale, he still need that dn luck to win huge consistently.

I guess that’s the only way that certain casino can prevent their huge loss, through banning Dana White and make him out of the picture. I believe he’s an avid gambler ever since so I guess that surprised him that he can’t bet anymore and act like a big whale. But he’s still lucky that he managed to win millions of dollars on a single night a lot of times, so it’s not his loss anyway, and he also can’t blame the casino as well for banning him.

[Mahanton]

Let's take a moment to think about this and tell me if I am correct. All of the people whom I have observed getting banned from gambling at casinos by the casino management, aside from misconduct and other offenses, are individuals who keep winning significant amounts of money. For instance, consider Dana White.  

He has been prohibited from playing at some of the city’s best casinos, including the Wynn and the Palms, due to his high-stakes gambling habits.  The UFC president is an avid gambler who has won substantial sums of money while spending hours at the tables in his chosen state of Nevada. But after some of his spectacular winning streaks, large hotel and casino locations like the Wynn have previously given him trouble. https://www.insidesport.in/accused-of-bankrupting-hotel-dana-white-explains-getting-banned-racking-up/#:~:text=He%20has%20been%20prohibited%20from,his%20chosen%20state%20of%20Nevada.

The way I perceive it is that if a person who is not cheating or engaging in illegal gambling activities consistently wins, the casino is highly likely to ban that person, just as they did with Dana White.

Very normal approach on which business something like this doesnt really like into those people who do constantly win or have that huge winning gambling profit and as a business-owner then you would really be definitely
trying to get rid of that person no matter how influential or popular you are on which you would really be still be banned no matter what. They are running a business and it would really be just that a common impression that if a certain gambler that constantly wins or making huge revenue impact then its a normal thing to be done or approach that they would really be needing to deal with.

If we do talk about sports betting then they cant really be able to throw about cheating or whatsoever issues correlated to it but if we do speak about those casino slots and other gaming
then it might be potentially be accused that you had been affected with some bugs on the machine that been used or card counting when you do deal up with some card games or whatsoever.
Its not really that new anymore and there's nothing you can do once they do make out such decision.

[agustina2]

I don't think that the casinos are going to go bankrupt though, they just want to not lose money that's it. Dana is really a dog at every thing he does and very lucky as well. However, Dana can still continue to other casinos if I'm not mistaken and then continue his gambling activity.

Yes, bankruptcy is not an issue as these mentioned casinos are well-known and big.

Dana won't choose to play there if, in the first place, these casinos are not popular and top-rated. He can actually contest the verdict of these casinos but why should he? Waste of time indeed. There are lots of casinos he can choose from and he's always welcome there.

Having Dana as one of the whales of that casino is a big marketing too and can lure more whales on that casino.