Should Merit-Sources send merit based on their feelings or quality of the post?

[BabyBandit]

-----Emotions-----Opinions-----Fact------

Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?
Or are you allowed to be controlled by your feelings and only give away merit to people you like or don't know?

It's a different a user can give merit to whoever he wants, because it's his/hers own merit and they can do whatever they want with it. But a merit-source how should he act? Without feelings or with feelings?

I don't trying to blame anyone, or create any drama and I am not disappointed with my low merits, I am quite happy and proud that I already got ten merit and being a member rank, so I am in no rush what so ever to rank up, I actually love the farming and the journey, because when and if I reach Legendary nobody can say I didn't earn it the right way. I rather let it take years of honest farming then months of cheating.
But back to my question, what do you think aboiut merit-sources when they handle out merit? They  should give merit to all good posts right, even if a user they dislike made a very good post. Or is it okay to just skip to give that user merit even that he made a very good post?

Maybe this come as bit confusing, I am sorry my English is not 10/10. But I hope you will understand! Great weekend everyone.

UPDATE 18th November: I now been on the forum a bit longer then the time I created this topic and I truly believe being a Merit-Source is not as easy or fun as it may look like.
So I want to take the time to say Thank you to all Merit-Sources that seeing this with neutral eyes! 🙏

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You know humans, if they do not like someone, they will not do anything in favour of the person they dislike. And can theymos know, he can not know. But we have 109 merit source with approximately 33940 smerits given by theymos almost every 30 days. If a merit source do not like you, another merit source will like you unless you are not posting something useful.

[PytagoraZ]

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Don't talk too seriously about merit sources, especially if your current account doesn't have much merit. Because later there will be people who comment that you are asking for merit. Yes, many people like to speculate and accuse, but when they are invited to discuss and argue, they disappear and don't come back again

Merit sources can send their merits to anyone. That is their right because merit is subjective and not moderated

[digaran]

What is "farming" you refer to in your posts? Do you have live stocks, is it a wheat farm or ? Lol
If by farming you mean account/merit farming then you are in the wrong place, you should go to bounties board, so many fruitless opportunities are present. Neither farming nor bounties have any future.  To answer your question, merit sources should cry while meriting someone they don't like, and laugh otherwise.😂

Honestly unbiased sources are rare, but I hope they keep it that way. For example(rhetorically as if I'm a source) "I wanted to merit your post but mentioning "farming" made me think twice, which I will keep on my mind anytime I see your posts.  However if you contribute selflessly, I might change my mind."
Edit: alright you got me, I'm an old dota fan, never liked WOW, just don't refer to farming, it's considered a bad thing around here.😉

[BabyBandit]

What is "farming" you refer to in your posts? Do you have live stocks, is it a wheat farm or ? Lol
If by farming you mean account/merit farming then you are in the wrong place, you should go to bounties board, so many fruitless opportunities are present. Neither farming nor bounties have any future.  To answer your question, merit sources should cry while meriting someone they don't like, and laugh otherwise.😂

Farming. You farm your way up to something, whatever it is. it's a term I got from when I played World of Warcraft.
Here you farm your way up to Legendary rank, but you do it the right way. That's farming for me.
Farming is not a negative or bad thing. Farming is something that take long long time, example in the game World of Warcraft you maybe farm gold, or better gear.
And I have no need to go to bounties board. Thanks anyway.

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Don't talk too seriously about merit sources, especially if your current account doesn't have much merit. Because later there will be people who comment that you are asking for merit. Yes, many people like to speculate and accuse, but when they are invited to discuss and argue, they disappear and don't come back again

Merit sources can send their merits to anyone. That is their right because merit is subjective and not moderated

If a person think this post is about to getting merits to me, they should go to sleep bro.  
I never ask for a merit anywhere and never will.  
But see you, you asked for merit I can see and got like 50 free merits. So maybe it's not so bad at all?  
To be serious, I will never ask or beg anyone for a single merit, as I said. I love the journey and will farm my way slowly up.. let it take years, it don't bother me. I am in no rush to rank up here.

Love BabyBandit.

[hugeblack]

Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?

What is the problem? I disagree with some members in the forum, but they perform a good role in other boards or in local boards. If a person spams or does something that I do not like, I will be put him on my ignore list, but there are more than 100 Merit source members and I sent merits to many other members who can sent 1/2 of it to that account.
If that account is on everyone's ignore list, the problem is with you.

[alani123]

Depends on how strict you are when defining what counts as emotion.

For example, it is widely accepted that meriting in local boards that you speak the language of is a good thing. There are several reasons for that. For one there are tons of people that use bitcoin around the world but most of these forum is for English speaking audiences only. Local bitcointalk communities for countries where there are thousands of bitcoin and crypto users are nowhere near the level of activity said country and language might have. So meriting local community participants to encourage them rank and to and bring more quality global traffic on this forum is going to be all around beneficial.

However, what is it that drives one to appreciate and want to reward usage of his mother tongue? In part it is emotion for sure...

In the end I don't think we should be judging people's emotions too harshly. We all have them, we all think based on emotion to an extent. The thing is to not overdo it.

[Gladitorcomeback]

Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?
Or are you allowed to be controlled by your feelings and only give away merit to people you like or don't know?

This is the main point you want to ask but you repeated same point again and again. Merit source giving merit on the base of  posting quality and how one post value to other forum members regardless of who is behind the account. No one know who is managing the account and no need of disclose . often you will see that Merit are given to the people which post style is align to one.

If i were Merit source definitely I would give Merit on the base of posting quality and there it hold no significant wheather I like user or not. The People I don't know if bring best thing which i like will get definitely Merit from me.

[shahzadafzal]

It's a different a user can give merit to whoever he wants, because it's his/hers own merit and they can do whatever they want with it. But a merit-source how should he act? Without feelings or with feelings?

What you mean by feelings? Feelings for what?

Feelings for the usernames? Like Baby Bandit oh I should send him some merits ... I don't think so

Well we aren't posting our selfies here and I don't think someone will develop feelings for someone based on bitcoin price, unless you know him/her personally.

Secondly I think merit sources and sMerit senders are same while sending merits just merit source have some extra merits to send.

[tranthidung]

If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?
Or are you allowed to be controlled by your feelings and only give away merit to people you like or don't know?

Merit should be awarded to posts that are quality or high quality and a forum member should not use it as same as Like on Facebook or Twitter. It is applied for all types of forum members including merit sources.

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

But remember.

Do not beg for merit excessively.

Merit sources are human, not bots so they do have emotional when distributing their sourced sendable merits (sMerits) but it is not big issue. If your posts are good, you will receive merit from merit sources or non merit sourced users.

There are 109 merit sources so why do you worry about one or two merit sources dislike you?

[lovesmayfamilis]

First, remove the word "should."
Each merit source acts at its own discretion. Someone gives out merits of 50 pieces, and I doubt that people who receive such a number of merits are among the favorites; someone distributes merits even for plagiarism; and someone will give merit to an account with a negative tag.
The word “should” is inappropriate here, since you cannot influence a person to do something if he does not agree with it. But I like merit sources that distribute merit without delving into emotions. If a post is good on the topic, you can earn it, just like if there is a good joke and it deserves merit.
There are a lot of questions in Meta this week about sources of merit. Why does it seem to me that one person sometimes answers himself? Sometimes you can hide behind an alternative account, but the behavior remains the same.

[Plaguedeath]

I can say most of merit sources are objective, while most of non merit sources are subjective.

Example:
1. A merit source with 5K merits give someone merit, then this user will merit back the merit source in the next post or other post because he want to make the merit source notice to him or giving more merit.

2. Someone only meriting or give more merit to their gangs or friends, but the other users who create a same or higher quality from their gangs or friends will not receive higher merits.

Since giving merit like that will not result in ban or negative feedback, we can only accept this culture.

[PytagoraZ]

First, remove the word "should."
Each merit source acts at its own discretion. Someone gives out merits of 50 pieces, and I doubt that people who receive such a number of merits are among the favorites; someone distributes merits even for plagiarism; and someone will give merit to an account with a negative tag.
The word “should” is inappropriate here, since you cannot influence a person to do something if he does not agree with it. But I like merit sources that distribute merit without delving into emotions. If a post is good on the topic, you can earn it, just like if there is a good joke and it deserves merit.
There are a lot of questions in Meta this week about sources of merit. Why does it seem to me that one person sometimes answers himself? Sometimes you can hide behind an alternative account, but the behavior remains the same.

I remember one time I gave a merit to a person who had 5 negative tags  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5464515.msg62878051#msg62878051

[tranthidung]

I can say most of merit sources are objective, while most of non merit sources are subjective.

Both merit source members and non merit source members use their sMerits, distributing sMerits subjectively and objectively and I am sure you will not find any member only use sMerit subjectively or only do it objectively.

1. A merit source with 5K merits give someone merit, then this user will merit back the merit source in the next post or other post because he want to make the merit source notice to him or giving more merit.

It is unofficial merit begging but if that poster has good posts, he does not do anything bad. Merit system is designed to highlight good posts with Merit.

2. Someone only meriting or give more merit to their gangs or friends, but the other users who create a same or higher quality from their gangs or friends will not receive higher merits.

I guess you want to say if you have friends, local communities, you can more easily earn merit or exchange merit and it is true.

Your post does not express this opinion well. This phrase "but the other users who create a same or higher quality from their gangs or friends will not receive higher merits." should be
but the other users who create a same or higher quality but don't have their gangs or friends will not receive higher merits.

Correct me if my guess is wrong.

[jokers10]

Example: Two users are posting very good posts and both deserve merit, should the merit-source give both merit? In my opinion yes! But what if he dislike one and like the other one?
I mean that their actions should not be controlled by feelings, it should be controlled by fact and their opinions if the post is worthy or not, but not because they are friend or enemy with someone.

Merit source can do as he supposes right as long as does it the way admin sees correct. And that's all. Of course many see the work of merit source the same way (including sources), so usually sources give merits for what they think will make forum a better place for us all (it's your position that two posts are equally good, others could see it the other way). If you think that your own vision has not enough support from existing sources, then make your own application and show what valuable posts are underrated and if you'll get some support then theymos can probably give you such an opportunity.

[un_rank]

Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?
Or are you allowed to be controlled by your feelings and only give away merit to people you like or don't know?

Yes, they are allowed to be controlled by their feelings. It is a voluntary responsibility they undertake, so they are giving lots of wiggle room.

Merit sources are judged for merits they give and not merits they do not give. You will almost certainly not know if a source was avoiding your post. If you perceive they are, (like you commenting on a post with a helpful comment and someone repeats your post immediately after you which gets a merit but you don't), you still cannot fault the merit source for that.

In a flawless system sources should be 100% objective in how they distribute their smerits. They should be blind to prejudice and only merit the post and not the user, they should even merit posts they do not agree with if the argument is deserving of it. But we do not an ideal or flawless system here.

- Jay -

[MainIbem]

I have just gone through your post a little bit without wasting much of my time, merits is something that you don't attached feelings when distributing it to people. Let say for instance, if I am a merits source i might sets a limits I could be giving out so that I won't spend it in an unnecessary post and comments. I can decides to be giving out on 2 merits per post no matter how constructive the post seems to be, or I can decide to be giving out 4 and this also depends on your allocation per months, there are some people whose allocation could be 1k merits per months while some 100 or 200 respectively. Those who are with 1k merits can be more generous to people than those who has limited allocation so in my opinion there's no feeling attached to it the only thing is how much merits left with the user.

[KingsDen]

Whatever humans do, emotion and feelings are always involved. Even if there is a rule stating that no merit source should attach sentiments when meriting posts, it cannot successfully be implemented. I remember a merit source that was always checking my profile for quality posts, on having a lil misunderstanding with him, he stopped sending me merits till date. It is just natural and there is nothing you can do about it. But it is only a few people who does the correct thing irrespective of feelings.

Take for another instance, there are merits source comes out of a debate or argument defeated, yet the send merits to their rivals posts, acknowledging the opponents ability. But some will because of the debate and maybe place you on an ignore list

[m2017]

Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources.

Do merits make newcomers think about it even at night and give them no rest? I understand that at low ranks there is a lot of thinking about merit, but at least sometimes need to not think about it.

If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?
Or are you allowed to be controlled by your feelings and only give away merit to people you like or don't know?

The question, of course, is addressed to merit-sources, but I assume that every merit-source has the right to act as he considers necessary and correct.

It's a different a user can give merit to whoever he wants, because it's his/hers own merit and they can do whatever they want with it. But a merit-source how should he act? Without feelings or with feelings?

I think not a single merit-source "should" anything. How to distribute merit, with or without feelings, is a purely personal privilege burden and responsibility. But I would also be interested to know what guides merit-sources in such cases, purely out of curiosity. Let's try to wait for a response from at least one of them.

I don't trying to blame anyone, or create any drama and I am not disappointed with my low merits, I am quite happy and proud that I already got ten merit and being a member rank, so I am in no rush what so ever to rank up, I actually love the farming and the journey, because when and if I reach Legendary nobody can say I didn't earn it the right way. I rather let it take years of honest farming then months of cheating.

Do you have any other choice?

But back to my question, what do you think aboiut merit-sources when they handle out merit? They  should give merit to all good posts right, even if a user they dislike made a very good post. Or is it okay to just skip to give that user merit even that he made a very good post?

The word “should” hurts the eyes in your text.

I have a counter question: what is a “good post”? Each user will evaluate this differently. For some the post is “good”, for others it is “bad”. Any award of merit to merit-sources’s users will be a purely subjective decision. There is no need to expect objectivity in this. This is neither good nor bad, but a fact this forum users “should” preferably accept.

[philipma1957]

Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?
Or are you allowed to be controlled by your feelings and only give away merit to people you like or don't know?

It's a different a user can give merit to whoever he wants, because it's his/hers own merit and they can do whatever they want with it. But a merit-source how should he act? Without feelings or with feelings?

I don't trying to blame anyone, or create any drama and I am not disappointed with my low merits, I am quite happy and proud that I already got ten merit and being a member rank, so I am in no rush what so ever to rank up, I actually love the farming and the journey, because when and if I reach Legendary nobody can say I didn't earn it the right way. I rather let it take years of honest farming then months of cheating.
But back to my question, what do you think aboiut merit-sources when they handle out merit? They  should give merit to all good posts right, even if a user they dislike made a very good post. Or is it okay to just skip to give that user merit even that he made a very good post?

Maybe this come as bit confusing, I am sorry my English is not 10/10. But I hope you will understand! Great weekend everyone. / BabyBandit.

Yes they should but only if they feel the post is good.

The feelings they have for a person should not be in the way one way or another.

BTW I feel the question is good and even though you struggle with English you efforted to make sense so I gave you 2 merits.