Should Merit-Sources send merit based on their feelings or quality of the post?

[AprilioMP]

Do you know what the consequences are? Some of these users no longer submit merit to Legendary because they believe Legendary do not need merit to rank up.

Legendary racked account no longer needs to get merit.
I have thought like that, skarais. When I saw the account rank system from Newbie to Legendary. At that time I thought that if the legendary rank account was the deadline for an account rank but after I continued the habit of finding out to increase knowledge, it turned out that my thoughts were not based on knowledge of the merit system, because there was no limit to giving merit including the legendary-ranking account during the legendary account have something useful.

But I'm sure if this mindset continues to develop among low-ranked users, then many Legendary will fall out of the merit distribution.

I don't think it will continue to develop such mindset as long as the low ranking account wants to learn the actual rules of the merit system.

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[Majestic-milf]

 Question to the Op; supposing you were in a position to dole merits, would you do that based on the way you feel about the recipient or because the post was worth it? Whatever your answer is, it shows that you'd act based on your individual decision right? I feel that's the same way for the next person. Merits are intended for posts that add value to the forum or must have solved a problem but from the angle you are coming from it seems you are trying to say some merit sources give out their merits to people you feel are not deserving of it, say, like the legendary ranking members.

 

[bangjoe]

Know the OP that the source of Merit does not have a binding rules to him, every source of Merit has the right to what he will do to the merit he has to be distributed to other members, all sources of merit have their own criteria in sharing it and yes I understand that it is as a subjective nature.

Whether they use feelings or not, we will not know it, you will get that answer if the sources of merit answer here to you OP, but I think it's useless they will not waste time to inform you, one thing you can do to find out is; Look at how they share their merit and pay attention to their habits, it will conclude an answer to you Op.

[Ruttoshi]

It depends on the individual that is the merit source, because most times forum members are recognized based on how much they contribute facts about a topic and you if you are a quality poster, you will catch their attention.

We are human and most times emotion plays more on what we are doing, which is normal. So any merits source can skip your post, if he doesn't like you, but because your post is quality someone will merit it. Sometimes, it might not be that they hate that user, but maybe the merit source is out of merits.

There is a topic by Loyce V that you should report any quality post that lack merits, for a review so that the post will be merited and I believe that the thread is still active.

[robelneo]

Example: Two users are posting very good posts and both deserve merit, should the merit-source give both merit? In my opinion yes! But what if he dislike one and like the other one?
I mean that their actions should not be controlled by feelings, it should be controlled by fact and their opinions if the post is worthy or not, but not because they are friend or enemy with someone.

Merit is subjective and we have no control over the feelings of the merit sources, it is no use questioning them if one merit source doesn't like you, you can always get merits from other sources and members as long as you maintain the quality of your posts but it's better to have at peace with everybody here, you never know the one you have a quarrel with will be the next merit source.

Anyway, its not a big deal. I just thinking about it before I slept yesterday. Cheers buddie.

Cheers to you too it's a good topic and I'm sure you can think of more good topics

[Josefjix]

Question to the Op; supposing you were in a position to dole merits, would you do that based on the way you feel about the recipient or because the post was worth it? Whatever your answer is, it shows that you'd act based on your individual decision right? I feel that's the same way for the next person. Merits are intended for posts that add value to the forum or must have solved a problem but from the angle you are coming from it seems you are trying to say some merit sources give out their merits to people you feel are not deserving of it, say, like the legendary ranking members.

Not every good post solves or resolves problems; I've seen legitimate questions from newbies get merits as well, so we're all people, and at the end of the day, it's all about personal preference. What interests me may not interest you, which is why we have numerous merits sources in the first place. At least one of them must be in your category.

[Majestic-milf]

Question to the Op; supposing you were in a position to dole merits, would you do that based on the way you feel about the recipient or because the post was worth it? Whatever your answer is, it shows that you'd act based on your individual decision right? I feel that's the same way for the next person. Merits are intended for posts that add value to the forum or must have solved a problem but from the angle you are coming from it seems you are trying to say some merit sources give out their merits to people you feel are not deserving of it, say, like the legendary ranking members.

Not every good post solves or resolves problems; I've seen legitimate questions from newbies get merits as well, so we're all people, and at the end of the day, it's all about personal preference. What interests me may not interest you, which is why we have numerous merits sources in the first place. At least one of them must be in your category.

This just about sums up what I'm trying to pass across. Hey, it's your merit to give and if you feel a post is deserving to be merited, you do it out of your own volition and not because you were cajoled into doing it.

 I felt the op was more concerned that legendary ranking members got a kind of preferential treatment in terms of receiving merit than other ranks but what we are trying to say is giving merits is done out of personal interest, but then what do I know?

[Winterfrost]

I understand your point. I am sure that I have not see any merit source got driven by emotions even if that they are humans they understand their duty and know that they have to remove emotion when allocating merits to quality post. Its at some point difficult when they have to read some post that are expressed with feelings such as anxiety, losses, gains and vice versa. So they might get attached to the post and merit the post.

I've got sMerits up the wazoo, so giving 2-3 to a Legendary member isn't going to throw the forum off balance.

Of course, I think that's fine and will never interfere with the merit system itself.

In my case, there were only a few Legendary who sent me merits in the last 120 days and they are all merit sources. Here's the list:

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Husna QA
DdmrDdmr
ETFbitcoin
The Sceptical Chymist
dbshck
EFS
JayJuanGee

The aforementioned merit sources are worth meriting. They distributing merit fairly to quality post without being sentimental. I wish the next generation of merit sources could learn from them and be more better.

[Erumo]

Feelings...

Merit source or any user should merit posts, not users. Imho users should not have prejudice towards other users. Dont like someone - hit ignore and dont bother "evaluation post if it is worth merit".

P.S. I feel depressed and sad today

[Dunamisx]

It's a different a user can give merit to whoever he wants, because it's his/hers own merit and they can do whatever they want with it. But a merit-source how should he act? Without feelings or with feelings?

We are all humanbeing, if you can use your merit base on your personal feelings and conviction that a post is quality enough and deserves receiving your merit, then why should the merit sources be exceptional in this same situation, have you considered why they were being made merit source, because they can effectively distributes their merits to users across the forum and the criteria for them to do so is nothing but quality post, so if they have the feelings that your post deserves being merited then they aware such and of they don't think so, you remain unmerited.

But back to my question, what do you think aboiut merit-sources when they handle out merit? They  should give merit to all good posts right, even if a user they dislike made a very good post. Or is it okay to just skip to give that user merit even that he made a very good post?

Maybe it is you  that shouldn't get it wrong where we are now, everyone posting cannot be merited for posting, that is why we have many of the merits sources, whenever they found a post deserving merit, they give it out, you're not  going to be the one to judge from the quality of the post you made that it's a quality post, merit source will identify that, get convinced, then merit those posts, know that begging or pleading to be merited is not right.

[Husna QA]

If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?
Or are you allowed to be controlled by your feelings and only give away merit to people you like or don't know?

I have debated with other users, and each other stuck to their respective arguments. But all that does not prevent me from giving Merit when I find his post, which I think is useful.

However, I'm sorry, I can't send Merit to all posts, especially in large numbers, although it may be that the posting is considered worthy of Merit for other users.

It's a different a user can give merit to whoever he wants, because it's his/hers own merit and they can do whatever they want with it. But a merit-source how should he act? Without feelings or with feelings?

Try to propose as a Merit source to feel it yourself.

If you want to be a merit source:

 1. Be a somewhat established member.
 2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months by other people that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread. The point of this is to demonstrate your ability to give out merit usefully.
 3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source.

I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections.
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Some of the requirements listed by the admin in the quote above can be an essential reference that illustrates how Merit sources can choose truly worthy posts (no. 2) and how Merit sources can act neutrally without prioritizing their egos, even towards users they don't like (no. 1).

[nakamura12]

Giving merits should not be all about feelings alone and there should be a criteria for giving merits. Once a merit source evaluate the post and he feels that this forum user deserves the merit. Forum members that are not merit sources do the same too where they have their own criteria before they reward merits and even me have my own criteria which I based my decisions in rewarding merits to other forum members.

[BabyBandit]

This hurts my feelings.

Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?
Or are you allowed to be controlled by your feelings and only give away merit to people you like or don't know?

It's a different a user can give merit to whoever he wants, because it's his/hers own merit and they can do whatever they want with it. But a merit-source how should he act? Without feelings or with feelings?

I don't trying to blame anyone, or create any drama and I am not disappointed with my low merits, I am quite happy and proud that I already got ten merit and being a member rank, so I am in no rush what so ever to rank up, I actually love the farming and the journey, because when and if I reach Legendary nobody can say I didn't earn it the right way. I rather let it take years of honest farming then months of cheating.
But back to my question, what do you think aboiut merit-sources when they handle out merit? They  should give merit to all good posts right, even if a user they dislike made a very good post. Or is it okay to just skip to give that user merit even that he made a very good post?

Maybe this come as bit confusing, I am sorry my English is not 10/10. But I hope you will understand! Great weekend everyone. / BabyBandit.

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If this hurt your feelings, then you must have live under a rock all your life or are way to into this forum. 

[bitnote]

You know humans, if they do not like someone, they will not do anything in favour of the person they dislike. And can theymos know, he can not know. But we have 109 merit source with approximately 33940 smerits given by theymos almost every 30 days. If a merit source do not like you, another merit source will like you unless you are not posting something useful.

from where you got that data?

[bitnote]

 I do not believe that. When I learn something new from someone, my instinct is to do something good for them, If I have merits I will give them if they helped me.
this is a forum we can be disappointed by someone but cannot become an enemy of them.

[DdmrDdmr]

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From these stats, which are published by the forum.

By the way, regarding the core topic dealt with here, Merits Sources have no real explicit obligations, and have the liberty to sMerit whatever they wish to, subject to a certain degree of implicit ethics in the process. I’m pretty sure no one can be totally objective, and it’s only natural that subjectivity comes into play whether we like it or not, leading to some cases of positive bias or even negative bias. It’s human nature. That’s why what’s important is to have multiple people with a meriting capability, be them Merit Sources or else, introducing a factor of diversity in criteria.

[vapourminer]

Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?

ive wound up meriting posts from users in my ignore list. as sometimes ill see an ignored users post quoted by someone else and if its interesting ill go unhide it and merit it.

so yes people i dislike and even ignore get merited on occasion. but i wont go out of my way to find them.

[Sexylizzy2813]

Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?

Is a two way thing and one has to provide the merit (the post and not the person in question), one is the individual and the other is post. The person might have done something wrong to offend the merit source but that shouldn't stop the merit source from dropping one or two merits to a post that's informative just because he doesn't like the user.
To me when dropping merit emotions should be kept aside because is not the person you dislike you're giving the merit but the post, after giving the merit you can then go back to hate the user, so to me feeling shouldn't be mixed when giving merit.

[EFS]

I do not believe that. When I learn something new from someone, my instinct is to do something good for them, If I have merits I will give them if they helped me.
this is a forum we can be disappointed by someone but cannot become an enemy of them.

How do you know? You've just signed up last month and never send any merit.

Naturally, I can't send merit to the member I ignore, but as part of my duty here, I have ignored only a few extremely annoying people so far. If a message is of good quality, I send merit regardless of who wrote it. Just because I appreciate it doesn't mean that I agree with the content of that message. Merit has no such meaning of approval. Some people use it as like button but this isn't the right way to use merit.

[BabyBandit]

I do not believe that. When I learn something new from someone, my instinct is to do something good for them, If I have merits I will give them if they helped me.
this is a forum we can be disappointed by someone but cannot become an enemy of them.

How do you know? You've just signed up last month and never send any merit.

Naturally, I can't send merit to the member I ignore, but as part of my duty here, I have ignored only a few extremely annoying people so far. If a message is of good quality, I send merit regardless of who wrote it. Just because I appreciate it doesn't mean that I agree with the content of that message. Merit has no such meaning of approval. Some people use it as like button but this isn't the right way to use merit.

This is a very very good answer, and the way it should be in everything in life, many feelings-controlled people should read this. 100% on point.

Thank you for sharing it.

I do not believe that. When I learn something new from someone, my instinct is to do something good for them, If I have merits I will give them if they helped me.
this is a forum we can be disappointed by someone but cannot become an enemy of them.