Should Merit-Sources send merit based on their feelings or quality of the post?

[BabyBandit]

Although there is no perfect system anywhere.

This is so true, and its up to the Citizens (in this case users) to try to make it as good as possible. And how can we achieve that? Honestly and fairness and not abuse it.
Thank to you all DT users that actually follow this path. You are the real heroes on this website.

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[wallet4bitcoin]

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Hey! I was thinking of something this night, this thing about merits and the merit-sources. If you are a merit-source, should you always give away merit to good posts even if you dislike the user that created the post?
Or are you allowed to be controlled by your feelings and only give away merit to people you like or don't know?

It's a different a user can give merit to whoever he wants, because it's his/hers own merit and they can do whatever they want with it. But a merit-source how should he act? Without feelings or with feelings?

I don't trying to blame anyone, or create any drama and I am not disappointed with my low merits, I am quite happy and proud that I already got ten merit and being a member rank, so I am in no rush what so ever to rank up, I actually love the farming and the journey, because when and if I reach Legendary nobody can say I didn't earn it the right way. I rather let it take years of honest farming then months of cheating.
But back to my question, what do you think aboiut merit-sources when they handle out merit? They  should give merit to all good posts right, even if a user they dislike made a very good post. Or is it okay to just skip to give that user merit even that he made a very good post?

Maybe this come as bit confusing, I am sorry my English is not 10/10. But I hope you will understand! Great weekend everyone.

UPDATE 18th November: I now been on the forum a bit longer then the time I created this topic and I truly believe being a Merit-Source is not as easy or fun as it may look like.
So I want to take the time to say Thank you to all Merit-Sources for giving us your spare-time. 🙏

Just stumbled on this thread just now and I'm seeing loads of contributions. However, I want to make just a simple point.

In the process of commenting on threads, you are consciously or unconsciously leaving footprints that are silent but very loud as they are read and comprehended and it remains a direct representation of your mentality, understanding and also your standpoint on whatever your topic is or contribution you're making.

Tailoring it down to your OP, you made mention of whether merit should be sent based on quality of post or based on feelings; Notice that most posts you see that gets merits are more contributive from a solution perspective than it is appealing to one's emotions, often times merit sources will always allocate merit based on information they can connect with.

Lets say you make a contribution that happens to be a challenge in the real life, in this forum or in the tech space that is relatable, it appeals to whoever that is reading it to award merit based on the depth of information you pass across as pertaining to that particular concern.

Its a way of encouraging you to also make contributive post to the forum and educating people, its part of these informations that has made this forum a global community.

~wallet4bitcoin~

[Etranger]

Lets say you make a contribution that happens to be a challenge in the real life, in this forum or in the tech space that is relatable, it appeals to whoever that is reading it to award merit based on the depth of information you pass across as pertaining to that particular concern.

Such posts get a lot of merits as fas as I can see, but you have to be interested in this particular issue, which was discussed and solutions for which were offered to really appreciate it and merit it by yourself. If such a contribution is out of your concern, you would likely skip such post, even if you think it was a good and constructive one. Because it is just not relevant for you personally.

[DYING_S0UL]

I think both. I am not a merit source myself but with the limited sMerits I have, whenever I get the chance, I consider both. Normally in global section, I try to merit only quality posts. And whenever I see posts from my local board or whenever I see somebody I know post, if I like it I try to merit it. And of course, it has to fulfill the minimal quality to be merited. Because if I don't follow the basic rules someone might call me a abuser. I also observe if a person got merited by other reputed members. I also take their action into my accounts.

[Sexylizzy2813]

I think both. I am not a merit source myself but with the limited sMerits I have, whenever I get the chance, I consider both. Normally in global section, I try to merit only quality posts. And whenever I see posts from my local board or whenever I see somebody I know post, if I like it I try to merit it. And of course, it has to fulfill the minimal quality to be merited. Because if I don't follow the basic rules someone might call me a abuser. I also observe if a person got merited by other reputed members. I also take their action into my accounts.

That means you saying you can merit someone's post base on feelings?
If you do that I believe you won't really mind if the post doesn't deserve to be merited, to me we should try not to use feelings. If we use feelings then all newbies should have merits on their first post because we have to use pity to give them one not quality.
In our respective local board we know who deserves to be merited because we all understand each other there and an outsider can't understand what is being discussed. So if we're giving merit the user need to show why he or she deserves to be merited.

[EarnOnVictor]

Although there is no perfect system anywhere.

This is so true, and its up to the Citizens (in this case users) to try to make it as good as possible. And how can we achieve that? Honestly and fairness and not abuse it.
Thank to you all DT users that actually follow this path. You are the real heroes on this website.

I join the voice with yours that those who are fair in distributing the merits without sentiments and favouritism are the true heroes of the forum. Because merits itself is an encouraging part of this forum, and I almost gave up when I started newly if not for some good users here who saw the beauty in my posts.

Merits here are just like endorsing that you are making sense with your posting, but if someone posted for months and couldn't get any despite posting quality could result in discouragement as though his work is not being appreciated.

I will continue to encourage those who have this power to use it well, after all, it's a forum, decisions in it shouldn't be made with sentiments.

[Etranger]

If we use feelings then all newbies should have merits on their first post because we have to use pity to give them one not quality.
In our respective local board we know who deserves to be merited because we all understand each other there and an outsider can't understand what is being discussed. So if we're giving merit the user need to show why he or she deserves to be merited.

I can not agree with your statement. First of all, our feelings are not limited only to pity. For example, I feel pity for other members quite rarely, but what I feel regularly is respect, or desire to support, or feel some kind of a connection with what being written. All of these are different feelings and I don't see anything wrong for them being taken into account while meriting someone. Because we cannot value posts only by rational means.

Secondly, as far as I understood, you claimed that the user has to show, prove why he deserves to be merited. I believe, he doesn't. You see, if it was like you said, than users would write only with this goal - to receive merits. But that is absolutely not the purpose of the forum. Moreover, such motivation often kills the uniqueness and originality of many users, because they try to meet some standards in order to be merited.

[Sexylizzy2813]

If we use feelings then all newbies should have merits on their first post because we have to use pity to give them one not quality.
In our respective local board we know who deserves to be merited because we all understand each other there and an outsider can't understand what is being discussed. So if we're giving merit the user need to show why he or she deserves to be merited.

I can not agree with your statement. First of all, our feelings are not limited only to pity. For example, I feel pity for other members quite rarely, but what I feel regularly is respect, or desire to support, or feel some kind of a connection with what being written. All of these are different feelings and I don't see anything wrong for them being taken into account while meriting someone. Because we cannot value posts only by rational means.

Some people do merit because the other users doesn't have the merit he or she suppose to have, and he'd be like "this post deserve a merit and nobody is doing let me do it" my point is a post deserve merit but no one is giving it especially newbies surfer from that, and you can just say this is a nice post lemme drop some merit instead, it happens.

Secondly, as far as I understood, you claimed that the user has to show, prove why he deserves to be merited. I believe, he doesn't. You see, if it was like you said, than users would write only with this goal - to receive merits. But that is absolutely not the purpose of the forum. Moreover, such motivation often kills the uniqueness and originality of many users, because they try to meet some standards in order to be merited.

Not that the user have to show why he or she deserves to be merited, the post have to speak for the user not the other way around. The information we give can be useful here in the forum and someone can decide to drop one or two merit not that merit is the main purpose of coming here in the Forum, some people do have that as their number one priority so I don't encourage that.
Those with that thinking don't get things right and they easily default the rules of the Forum without them even knowing.

[Etranger]

Some people do merit because the other users doesn't have the merit he or she suppose to have, and he'd be like "this post deserve a merit and nobody is doing let me do it" my point is a post deserve merit but no one is giving it especially newbies surfer from that, and you can just say this is a nice post lemme drop some merit instead, it happens.

I doubt very much that there is such thing as "merits someone is supposed to have". I observe different cases, from those where users have very few merits compared to the activity number and also vice versa. Every person is posting in his own way, rhythm, speed and quality, that is why the merit number differs from case to case.

I believe, newbies often talk more about suffering from the rules here that they actually do this. At some point getting merits being a newbie is much easier than being a member or a full member, for example. Because it is common to think that newbies are left behind and nobody pays attention to their posts. But that is not true in most cases, I think.

[Sexylizzy2813]

Some people do merit because the other users doesn't have the merit he or she suppose to have, and he'd be like "this post deserve a merit and nobody is doing let me do it" my point is a post deserve merit but no one is giving it especially newbies surfer from that, and you can just say this is a nice post lemme drop some merit instead, it happens.

I doubt very much that there is such thing as "merits someone is supposed to have". I observe different cases, from those where users have very few merits compared to the activity number and also vice versa. Every person is posting in his own way, rhythm, speed and quality, that is why the merit number differs from case to case.

What I meant was that a user might not have any merit on his post and you can decide to give more than 1 merit on that post instead of letting it be without merit, like you can decide to give like 5-6 merit.
Like they say slow and steady wins the race and I agree with you that the way and manner users go about business in this Forum is really different, the quality the speed and all that, and the merit number doesn't come the way we expect.

I believe, newbies often talk more about suffering from the rules here that they actually do this. At some point getting merits being a newbie is much easier than being a member or a full member, for example. Because it is common to think that newbies are left behind and nobody pays attention to their posts. But that is not true in most cases, I think.

I don't think is that easy to have merit as a newbie, haven't you noticed how threads that are related are being started just to hustle up some merit? Is really frustrating as a newbie when you lack merit, that first merit is like a life saver that comes with plenty of joy, the other ranks are like old members that have seen it all so they have 85% chance of getting merit than the newbies.
I don't know but I feel newbies have to work harder to earn their merit, not saying that is bad to put more effort but is really difficult being a newbie, they have to create thread just to gain that recognition, attention and if they don't is like they don't exist on the Forum.

[BabyBandit]

I don't think is that easy to have merit as a newbie, haven't you noticed how threads that are related are being started just to hustle up some merit? Is really frustrating as a newbie when you lack merit, that first merit is like a life saver that comes with plenty of joy, the other ranks are like old members that have seen it all so they have 85% chance of getting merit than the newbies.
I don't know but I feel newbies have to work harder to earn their merit, not saying that is bad to put more effort but is really difficult being a newbie, they have to create thread just to gain that recognition, attention and if they don't is like they don't exist on the Forum.

What you saying here is on point hundred percent  I M O.

You have right it's easier when you getting friends that support you and vice versa. But lucky Merit is just a imagination without any real value in real life so it's not that important.
I saw one post got 60+ Merit because a user posted that he bought his first Bitcoin and shared a slip of it and i was a little bit shocked but hey no wrong in that but it made me wonder and laugh at the same time and I learned to just take this with joy. But what you saying here is on point hundred percent on point bro.

[Tmoonz]

Merits source merits distribution  should be strictly based on given honor to who honor is due, merits are meant to distributed to posts that has value, creative and informative, emotions should not be attached to it reason being that it is the post that deserves the merits and  not the user itself. So there is no point being selfish about this than just to appropriately utilize that privilege given to them fairly without sentiments.

The meriting system is one of the things that leaves every user excited when post are being merited and it gives more confident that they are learning and contributing meaningfully making them to become a more active than being less active members in the forum.

[charrles]

The problem you mentioned OP was really a problem if there were just few merit sources. With over 100 merit sources, you can be sure that at least some of them will like your posts if they are really helpful. And, do not forget that not only the merit sources, even normal members here get merits to spend based on the merits they receive. So your focus should be on making useful posts here instead of complaining about things that you cannot control. Good luck.

[criptoevangelista]

Each source of merit has gone through a selection and in my opinion they are qualified to consider a message good or bad, each one has their own way of “working” and distributing their merits.

One truth is: the more you chase merits, the more the merits will escape you... let things happen, participate in the forum normally, always be here, the merits will come naturally.

[hd49728]

Each source of merit has gone through a selection and in my opinion they are qualified to consider a message good or bad, each one has their own way of “working” and distributing their merits.

They were assigned as a merit source, applied as a merit source but they are free to retire as a merit source.

Some merit sources were disqualified by theymos and theymos even rollbacked some wrong merit transactions.

A merit source after appointed does not mean it will take that role forever.

One truth is: the more you chase merits, the more the merits will escape you... let things happen, participate in the forum normally, always be here, the merits will come naturally.

Merit comes naturally to good posts. Not all your good posts will receive merit but if you consistently make good posts, you will receive merit.

[Woodie]

Before anything, these are human beings you are dealing with & emotions are very much part of the biology!
So understanding the point raised means , if you choose a path that  will put you in bad books with merit sources and not get you these golden nuggets you have yourself to blame, and let's not forget this isn't an easy undertaking especially that this isn't a paid job for them to spend time going through threads looking for posts that qualify to be merited... otherwise naturally merit should be based on the quality of the most just like they do when making applications when trying to become merit sources.

[Elissa~sH]

From what I've merit and understood on the forums with my tiny brain, qualifying is a display of good quality merit. If we can benefit someone by expressing our good quality merit or if someone is benefited and through any of my posts he can know or understand and learn something new, then we are considered the most qualified accordingly. Competence is never something to be rushed. Come slowly to get the qualification and you will get the qualification.

[EarnOnVictor]

From what I've merit and understood on the forums with my tiny brain, qualifying is a display of good quality merit. If we can benefit someone by expressing our good quality merit or if someone is benefited and through any of my posts he can know or understand and learn something new, then we are considered the most qualified accordingly. Competence is never something to be rushed. Come slowly to get the qualification and you will get the qualification.

You have a point there. Though the merit system is not perfect and enough sentiments are going on in sharing it, quality posters will still get it no matter how little. It might be slow in some cases as better posters may even get less merits than lesser quality posters, regardless, one thing I've noticed is that sooner or later, such quality posters will still climb.

Thanks to the effective random merit givers and more thanks to those merit sources that have put it upon themselves to painstakingly ask for the review of posts. A lot of undetected good posters are able to benefit from this, including me. With that arrangement, one can know that there can't be sentiments as quality posts can't just be hidden when a direct review is involved.

[criptoevangelista]

Each source of merit has gone through a selection and in my opinion they are qualified to consider a message good or bad, each one has their own way of “working” and distributing their merits.

They were assigned as a merit source, applied as a merit source but they are free to retire as a merit source.

Some merit sources were disqualified by theymos and theymos even rollbacked some wrong merit transactions.

A merit source after appointed does not mean it will take that role forever.

It's like a normal job, I imagine it as if it were a company... And I'll leave you with this analogy... A new person is promoted to this new position, so it's perfectly acceptable that they have to adapt to the new reality and I imagine that the managers and forum mods follow this person more closely until they are fully familiar with their new position... If they do not perform the role satisfactorily, they will naturally be replaced by another... It is not always easy to make the right choices , even more so in things that involve people.

[Nangiconference]

If a merit source do not like you, another merit source will like you unless you are not posting something useful.

I see no reason while a merit source will dislike anybody, this is a no man land. Everyone is on its own. I do not see what feelings will be doing in the forum. Bitcoin is decentralised so also to the forum if not for moderators and administrators who are supervising the forum activities. The last time I checked,  merit is only to be earned when you make a quality post(contribution) notwithstanding whosoever that made the post. Once a post is quality enough to be merited, it will be merited just like our Facebook, where there are numerous post and the one that catches your interest gains your like.
Merit and Facebook 'likes' are synonymous. When you come across a good post, you like it. It becomes a source of inspiration to the poster spurring him or her to do more.