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November 10, 2023, 04:24:44 PM
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At one of the local gambling shop I visited during the weekend I happened to listen to a conversation between two bald looking gamblers at the shop talking about one of their gambling colleague who had won a big amount of money amounting to a million in the local currency and due to that win this colleague of theirs' has been avoiding them since e won that money. From their conversation it was obvious that they were a circle of close three friends that gamble together.

After all I finished with my bet headed home and was asking myself what could the colleague act that way avoiding his close friends they all gambling together and just because luck shines on him first he decides to create a distance and class. I couldn't actually annex a good reason why anyone should do that.

This very often happens when playing offline gambling when they start together but when they win it seems like they don't know each other. There were many reasons why he avoided them, maybe they didn't seem to know each other but the reality behind them was that they shared the results of the victory. There is also avoidance because they don't want to share their winnings or don't want to be close because they are afraid of getting into debt, because debt can be an indication of destroying friendships. The point is that they are different, only they know why they avoid each other.

That's why I don't like gambling offline, I prefer to gamble online. Win or lose only we know.

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November 10, 2023, 04:56:56 PM
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That's why I don't like gambling offline, I prefer to gamble online. Win or lose only we know.
That's the easiest way to avoid it so we don't feel bad for anyone when we win big or vice versa, when a friend wins big, sometimes I also feel bad about being given a tip, even though I didn't ask for it and expected it too, but there are also friends. The other me often avoids his friends when he wins big just because he doesn't want his friends to owe him money. The point is that feeling awkward when you win big in front of your friends really makes you uncomfortable.

I also enjoy playing casinos alone in online casinos, rarely in offline casinos because of course it's a bit of a hassle if you have to avoid friends or friends avoid us, at least each other gambles better in online casinos because it's better to keep friendships intact and not split up just because of money. , it really hurts

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November 10, 2023, 05:20:29 PM
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It is not virtually everything we need to talk about to our friends. There are some times things we need to keep to ourselves for our own safety because these days nobody can tell what is in the heart of the next person so one needs be careful. He did what he could do to safeguard himself and relocated to another place. Possibly he was looking at the security situations for his own personal safety and maybe that was what prompted him to leave the location coupled with the possibility of his experience with his friends.

These days in my country, friends do not tell each other anything again about their international travels they just keep it to themselves after they had travelled out of the country and have arrived their destination that is when they would call you to inform you if at all they really want to do so. I would not blame him to have taken such drastic measures of not telling his friends his success and relocation.
I agree because that is something we don't need to say to our friends, especially if we are in a public place. Perhaps we can tell him after we are in a quiet place. I once told some of my friends in a quiet place, and they congratulated me. They also said not to tell it to people who are not in our friendly relationship. But if he also avoids his friends because he is afraid that his friends will ask him for something. After all he has won, he should re-examine his friendships.

We won't be able to blame our friends if they do something like that because we are just friends. I sometimes experience things like that, and I never ask where they are or contact them. I think time will give us answers and show which ones really deserve to be our friends and which ones are just ordinary friends.

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November 10, 2023, 06:42:38 PM
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It is not virtually everything we need to talk about to our friends. There are some times things we need to keep to ourselves for our own safety because these days nobody can tell what is in the heart of the next person so one needs be careful. He did what he could do to safeguard himself and relocated to another place. Possibly he was looking at the security situations for his own personal safety and maybe that was what prompted him to leave the location coupled with the possibility of his experience with his friends.

These days in my country, friends do not tell each other anything again about their international travels they just keep it to themselves after they had travelled out of the country and have arrived their destination that is when they would call you to inform you if at all they really want to do so. I would not blame him to have taken such drastic measures of not telling his friends his success and relocation.
I agree because that is something we don't need to say to our friends, especially if we are in a public place. Perhaps we can tell him after we are in a quiet place. I once told some of my friends in a quiet place, and they congratulated me. They also said not to tell it to people who are not in our friendly relationship. But if he also avoids his friends because he is afraid that his friends will ask him for something. After all he has won, he should re-examine his friendships.

We won't be able to blame our friends if they do something like that because we are just friends. I sometimes experience things like that, and I never ask where they are or contact them. I think time will give us answers and show which ones really deserve to be our friends and which ones are just ordinary friends.

On a normal, it is not everything one should be telling their friends. These days things happens even in the family too. Friends should not every time be in the know of your updates as these days friends are not what you think they are. So he has a reason why he did what he did. Only him is liable to his actions and owe no explanations to anyone why he took that steps to relocate and refused to tell his friends about hi is success. Like I said initially in other posts that " their is no smoke without a fire".

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At one of the local gambling shop I visited during the weekend I happened to listen to a conversation between two bald looking gamblers at the shop talking about one of their gambling colleague who had won a big amount of money amounting to a million in the local currency and due to that win this colleague of theirs' has been avoiding them since e won that money. From their conversation it was obvious that they were a circle of close three friends that gamble together.

After all I finished with my bet headed home and was asking myself what could the colleague act that way avoiding his close friends they all gambling together and just because luck shines on him first he decides to create a distance and class. I couldn't actually annex a good reason why anyone should do that.

Not only gambling winners, but even people who won a lottery ticket I heard about the fact that they were switching off their mobile and not contacting anyone. Some people even have to hide or never say anything about their winnings. The majority of the winners say that if they tell them or try to help them, they will never pay them back, and many friends are asking for help.

It's not that they can't help, but many people are approaching them, like friends, relatives, and even the poor, who have never met them before. It's helpless, and then they have their own problems and dreams. Apart from that, they have to pay taxes. People are afraid to tell everyone that they won the prize because many people are trying to hurt or rob them; it's even from their own relatives as well.
 

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November 10, 2023, 07:38:47 PM
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Sometimes for security reasons gamblers do behave like this so they can possibly stay safe because winning big amounts especially in offline gambling house attract so much attention because the news of such will definitely go viral and people will know you won such amount.

It's way private with online casinos and gambling sites as they will pay the money straight in to your bank account and except you let others know they wouldn't know you won such huge amounts of money. So that's basically why most of these gamblers avoid their friends when they have such big wins, except for families and probably very closely friends they don't keep up with others so they can be sure they remain safe even with their big money.

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November 10, 2023, 08:21:37 PM
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Sometimes for security reasons gamblers do behave like this so they can possibly stay safe because winning big amounts especially in offline gambling house attract so much attention because the news of such will definitely go viral and people will know you won such amount.

It's way private with online casinos and gambling sites as they will pay the money straight in to your bank account and except you let others know they wouldn't know you won such huge amounts of money. So that's basically why most of these gamblers avoid their friends when they have such big wins, except for families and probably very closely friends they don't keep up with others so they can be sure they remain safe even with their big money.

Maybe yes or maybe just an alibi to prevent giving some amount of money to them knowing that the friends are expecting some shares of blessings and the winner don't want to give some. Or simply because they think differently after winning such huge amounts,  they think that their level in life is now far different from those people who they called friends before.  Human nature or human behaviors that we can't deny that exists.

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November 10, 2023, 08:33:44 PM
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At one of the local gambling shop I visited during the weekend I happened to listen to a conversation between two bald looking gamblers at the shop talking about one of their gambling colleague who had won a big amount of money amounting to a million in the local currency and due to that win this colleague of theirs' has been avoiding them since e won that money. From their conversation it was obvious that they were a circle of close three friends that gamble together.

After all I finished with my bet headed home and was asking myself what could the colleague act that way avoiding his close friends they all gambling together and just because luck shines on him first he decides to create a distance and class. I couldn't actually annex a good reason why anyone should do that.
You don't need a good reason to explain the behavior carried out by that person's friends, after all, gambling is a game of money and there are no friends or relations in it, there is only profit alone.  In fact, there are quite a lot of blood relatives who are fighting over inheritance issues, so what the man's friend did was actually quite natural, from this incident the man had to learn to manage his circle of friends well, let not him become friends again with someone like that because of that if he continues to be friends with that person, he won't get any luck, just bad luck always.

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November 10, 2023, 08:41:26 PM
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Sometimes for security reasons gamblers do behave like this so they can possibly stay safe because winning big amounts especially in offline gambling house attract so much attention because the news of such will definitely go viral and people will know you won such amount.

It's way private with online casinos and gambling sites as they will pay the money straight in to your bank account and except you let others know they wouldn't know you won such huge amounts of money. So that's basically why most of these gamblers avoid their friends when they have such big wins, except for families and probably very closely friends they don't keep up with others so they can be sure they remain safe even with their big money.

The most common one faced by gambler after saying about their big win from gambling is friend try to get more free meals from their winner friend.The food is not the big one,but the friends try to get the more loan for their own benefit.So after some scam try by their friends alone,the gambler understand the real motive of their friends after the big win in the gambling.This was the biggest reason known by the experienced gambler compared to the new gamblers.The experienced gambler may face this type of action by their friend at the earlier stage of the gambling wins.So use your own opinion based on your friends.
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November 10, 2023, 08:44:48 PM
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It is not virtually everything we need to talk about to our friends. There are some times things we need to keep to ourselves for our own safety because these days nobody can tell what is in the heart of the next person so one needs be careful. He did what he could do to safeguard himself and relocated to another place. Possibly he was looking at the security situations for his own personal safety and maybe that was what prompted him to leave the location coupled with the possibility of his experience with his friends.

These days in my country, friends do not tell each other anything again about their international travels they just keep it to themselves after they had travelled out of the country and have arrived their destination that is when they would call you to inform you if at all they really want to do so. I would not blame him to have taken such drastic measures of not telling his friends his success and relocation.
I agree because that is something we don't need to say to our friends, especially if we are in a public place. Perhaps we can tell him after we are in a quiet place. I once told some of my friends in a quiet place, and they congratulated me. They also said not to tell it to people who are not in our friendly relationship. But if he also avoids his friends because he is afraid that his friends will ask him for something. After all he has won, he should re-examine his friendships.

We won't be able to blame our friends if they do something like that because we are just friends. I sometimes experience things like that, and I never ask where they are or contact them. I think time will give us answers and show which ones really deserve to be our friends and which ones are just ordinary friends.

On a normal, it is not everything one should be telling their friends. These days things happens even in the family too. Friends should not every time be in the know of your updates as these days friends are not what you think they are. So he has a reason why he did what he did. Only him is liable to his actions and owe no explanations to anyone why he took that steps to relocate and refused to tell his friends about hi is success. Like I said initially in other posts that " their is no smoke without a fire".
There should really be always those boundaries or limitation on which there are things which arent meant to be shared or would be opened into a friend yet no matter how much you do trust it up but on the time that there would really be some argumentations or conflicts then those things that they've known would really be a weapon that would really be used against you and we know that on how sucks to have that way on which your friend is been using on the information that they've known against you which is really that shit. This is one of the things that we whould really baring up into our mind that there's always a fine line in between
your friends and the things you've been doing so that you wont really be having those kind of possibilities of non good situation considering that it could be used against you.

On speaking about some wins and avoiding your friends then there's something wrong with you, its not bad to share up a small amount to them as some sort of having that joy on winning big.
I cant afford to turn back on them just because of the money that i have won. You would really be able to see their importance once their gone. So as much as possible you should
really be cherishing them.

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November 10, 2023, 08:56:59 PM
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Sometimes for security reasons gamblers do behave like this so they can possibly stay safe because winning big amounts especially in offline gambling house attract so much attention because the news of such will definitely go viral and people will know you won such amount.

It's way private with online casinos and gambling sites as they will pay the money straight in to your bank account and except you let others know they wouldn't know you won such huge amounts of money. So that's basically why most of these gamblers avoid their friends when they have such big wins, except for families and probably very closely friends they don't keep up with others so they can be sure they remain safe even with their big money.
I agree with you. If criminal notice that such big amount money enter the guy hand, they might visit him and snatch away the money, and apart from that when such news went to the locality then those poor beggers will visit him and ask for their share and that the common practice in my area which I know. When someone win big amount of money everybody will like to take their share.

And I believe this practice is not only in offline casinos but it is also in online betting or other casinos. Remember they are friends playing game around so even if he won the game online the same thing would have have. Unless he did announced the win.









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November 10, 2023, 09:24:58 PM
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This very often happens when playing offline gambling when they start together but when they win it seems like they don't know each other. There were many reasons why he avoided them, maybe they didn't seem to know each other but the reality behind them was that they shared the results of the victory. There is also avoidance because they don't want to share their winnings or don't want to be close because they are afraid of getting into debt, because debt can be an indication of destroying friendships. The point is that they are different, only they know why they avoid each other.

That's why I don't like gambling offline, I prefer to gamble online. Win or lose only we know.

What you say, of course, does not rule out the possibility that it could happen to online gamblers. What I mean is, people who like to gamble in groups or online gamblers who know each other. The point is, it's not only in offline casinos because in fact it can happen in the world of online/crypto casinos.
The case is different, if gambling is part of your privacy. of course, the things we discuss in this discussion will not happen. But, what you say is not completely wrong, in fact there are many underlying factors. in fact, it doesn't rule out the possibility that we could do what the OP discussed.

So it's like this, when we talk about money, especially if the value is fantastic. That's where problems, conflicts, avoiding friendship and all kinds of things can start. and this doesn't only apply to gambling. in particular, related to our social life. especially, if we win the jackpot ticket from the lottery. The point is, in most cases in general, it's not money that makes people different people. one of them, avoiding friends after winning big. Yep, according to the title of this thread. in fact, the opposite is true, it is because of money that we can judge a person's true character.

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It is not virtually everything we need to talk about to our friends. There are some times things we need to keep to ourselves for our own safety because these days nobody can tell what is in the heart of the next person so one needs be careful. He did what he could do to safeguard himself and relocated to another place. Possibly he was looking at the security situations for his own personal safety and maybe that was what prompted him to leave the location coupled with the possibility of his experience with his friends.

These days in my country, friends do not tell each other anything again about their international travels they just keep it to themselves after they had travelled out of the country and have arrived their destination that is when they would call you to inform you if at all they really want to do so. I would not blame him to have taken such drastic measures of not telling his friends his success and relocation.
I agree because that is something we don't need to say to our friends, especially if we are in a public place. Perhaps we can tell him after we are in a quiet place. I once told some of my friends in a quiet place, and they congratulated me. They also said not to tell it to people who are not in our friendly relationship. But if he also avoids his friends because he is afraid that his friends will ask him for something. After all he has won, he should re-examine his friendships.

We won't be able to blame our friends if they do something like that because we are just friends. I sometimes experience things like that, and I never ask where they are or contact them. I think time will give us answers and show which ones really deserve to be our friends and which ones are just ordinary friends.

On a normal, it is not everything one should be telling their friends. These days things happens even in the family too. Friends should not every time be in the know of your updates as these days friends are not what you think they are. So he has a reason why he did what he did. Only him is liable to his actions and owe no explanations to anyone why he took that steps to relocate and refused to tell his friends about hi is success. Like I said initially in other posts that " their is no smoke without a fire".
There should really be always those boundaries or limitation on which there are things which arent meant to be shared or would be opened into a friend yet no matter how much you do trust it up but on the time that there would really be some argumentations or conflicts then those things that they've known would really be a weapon that would really be used against you and we know that on how sucks to have that way on which your friend is been using on the information that they've known against you which is really that shit. This is one of the things that we whould really baring up into our mind that there's always a fine line in between
your friends and the things you've been doing so that you wont really be having those kind of possibilities of non good situation considering that it could be used against you.

On speaking about some wins and avoiding your friends then there's something wrong with you, its not bad to share up a small amount to them as some sort of having that joy on winning big.
I cant afford to turn back on them just because of the money that i have won. You would really be able to see their importance once their gone. So as much as possible you should
really be cherishing them.


In as much as possible, one should be very careful how information goes out from them because that information might be a weapon about them that can be used against them in the future if we they are no more together as friends and if it happens that they become opposition, that can be used against each other to fight dirty amongst themselves.  This is a thing of experience I had in the past.

With respect to win and avoiding friends I am think that should not be personalised as there is nothing wrong with me. This topic was brought here for us to deliberate on with ideas and opinions based on possible occurrences between both friends and moreover every one is entitled to their own opinion and contributions as to the possibility of what transpired amongst the friends so it is not a personal affairs.

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November 10, 2023, 09:36:50 PM
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I agree with you. If criminal notice that such big amount money enter the guy hand, they might visit him and snatch away the money, and apart from that when such news went to the locality then those poor beggers will visit him and ask for their share and that the common practice in my area which I know. When someone win big amount of money everybody will like to take their share.
Although it depends on the kind of friends you have even if we cannot see through the heart of someone to know how they truly cares about us but there are some friends that are more like a brother due to how close and caring they are, so perhaps somebody like that you can easily share some of your secrets because he has proven himself trust worthy.

So however apart from close friends we shouldn't share our secrets to others  especially our wining secrets because just like you said the person could come in the night to snatched the money and could even harm you if he has the chance, perhaps many gamblers has gone through a lot through sharing information about there wining so people should be very careful with the kind of person they share there secrets with.

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Everyone is entitled to their actions likewise the gambler so if he decided to act that way you would not blame him because they say, experience is a teacher. He has learnt alot from his friends and was quiet following them and when it happened to him that he won big time, he fled for his safety and did not tell his friends because possibly he could not trust them to protect him but rather would want to run.him.down. I believe this was his logic before running away with his wins.
As you said, he has the right to do that, especially if he sees that his friends cannot be trusted. He would probably prefer to hide his win rather than tell his friends and only tell it to those close to him. But whatever the reason, he is entitled to his win, and to say or hide it also depends on him. He will choose whichever is comfortable for him, and if he feels he can say something about his win, he will say so. His other friends also had no right to force him to tell them about what happened with the bet because he had avoided them.

To me, the only weird thing is that you avoid your friends just because you won, if you don't tell them that you won big in gambling that's normal but if you avoid your friends just because you won big in gambling I think that is not normal. Yes, that's his right, but I don't think that's normal.

I think their friend's head has grown up, there are many people like this that when they make a lot of money they forget, they become arrogant. It's not bad to be picky if you need it, the bad thing is that you avoid your friends just because you won a lot of money in gambling even though they don't do anything to you. They will understand if you can't give them because they are your friends.


It is a personal decision he took and that is non of anybody's business. Possibly maybe he must down that for his own personal reasons or security situations because lost people are just funny you know. What if his friends are the type of that nature what do you think they could do to him. I believe he did that for his own safety and another thing you should think is how his friends treated him.while they were all together because people tend to respond to the same manners as they were treated when they had nothing in their name.
So it is not a thing of judging him for his actions but to find out the reasons behind his actions as that could tell why he acted that way.

You have a very good point, because that point of view has not been seen, we do not know why he chose to make that decision, sometimes we see things from one point of view, or the story of only one of the parties, this It means that if we are seeing it from there, we have to see the other person's part of the story, but that is very similar to a couple who seems very Happy , and Who are doing things together all the time , and From one day to the next they Separated, so we ask one of them and they tell us one thing, and then if we grab the other, and he tells us another story, then who do we believe? to him or her'? You are very right, and this is something that must be manifested, we can see everything from a very simple point of view, and we can see that he was the bad guy, but we also don't know how things are with the other person, maybe the other two. Would people have a ridiculous attitude towards him? or anything else that made you make that decision.

Now we must consider many things, but that decision that that person made seemed very reckless and even though people can sometimes be very frivolous and if something evil has to have a reason, or unless it is a person who is always like that and it does not matter to others, because there are also people who are like that, in this world there are not many people who are like that, so when you notice the things that can happen in a person's head, they are very determining and each person is a world and can do what suits him best, and if that person saw those two as just companions, then I think he could have felt without any type of commitment to them, although that was a bad attitude, one cannot be like that, to take advantage of the Otherwise, it is not the right thing to do, because we do not know when we may need from others, that is Something that will Always happen Under any Circumstance, for this Reason we must be better people Every Day.

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November 11, 2023, 03:08:22 AM
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You don't need a good reason to explain the behavior carried out by that person's friends, after all, gambling is a game of money and there are no friends or relations in it, there is only profit alone.  In fact, there are quite a lot of blood relatives who are fighting over inheritance issues, so what the man's friend did was actually quite natural, from this incident the man had to learn to manage his circle of friends well, let not him become friends again with someone like that because of that if he continues to be friends with that person, he won't get any luck, just bad luck always.

If you want to know the true nature of humans, just bring in money issues. This is when you will know that many people only care about money and not the welfare of friends or relatives. The world is becoming materialistic every day and people can do anything legally or illegally just to get money. One of the ways of increasing your security if you win such an amount is to reduce the number of your friends. You can still be communicating with them through other means but face-to-face contact should be minimized to a larger extent. The best option for a person who gets such a big win is to change his location. Move to a place where nobody knows about your win and live a modest life

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November 11, 2023, 03:16:05 AM
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That amount of money that I would never have that amount of money that I would avoid my friends or classmates. You think he won a million in their country's local currency. Here he wins a million amount of money but here is his friend avoiding him. He won a million money his friend did not share the million money with him at all his million money is all his own. Maybe a million money has changed his life so he wants to forget his past. People never forget their past, I always hope that our relationship with the friends I grew up with since childhood never creates distance. I want not only me but every one of my friends to achieve success and after achieving success we can come together and tell each other that today we are successful. 
Yes not all can prosper in friend circle but it is not a good person to avoid any friend just because of bad financial situation.

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At one of the local gambling shop I visited during the weekend I happened to listen to a conversation between two bald looking gamblers at the shop talking about one of their gambling colleague who had won a big amount of money amounting to a million in the local currency and due to that win this colleague of theirs' has been avoiding them since e won that money. From their conversation it was obvious that they were a circle of close three friends that gamble together.

After all I finished with my bet headed home and was asking myself what could the colleague act that way avoiding his close friends they all gambling together and just because luck shines on him first he decides to create a distance and class. I couldn't actually annex a good reason why anyone should do that.
You don't need a good reason to explain the behavior carried out by that person's friends, after all, gambling is a game of money and there are no friends or relations in it, there is only profit alone.  In fact, there are quite a lot of blood relatives who are fighting over inheritance issues, so what the man's friend did was actually quite natural, from this incident the man had to learn to manage his circle of friends well, let not him become friends again with someone like that because of that if he continues to be friends with that person, he won't get any luck, just bad luck always.
So what you're trying to say is that there are friends that are bad luck and keeping company with them can perpetually bring you bad luck and hard winning chances and peradventure they get to have a huge win before you they're just going to kick your ass and leave the companion. And in all of this you think it's natural that people should act this way. Oh wow!

Don't you think that a man that's betrayed of by someone he called a friend but wasn't truly a friend as had thought, will such a man want to have himself in the circle of friends again? Any new circle of friendship will imply to be a joke for him. For once beaten twice shy. Fair enough we make friends in other activities of life why should that of gambling be distinctive.

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November 11, 2023, 05:59:10 AM
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I don't think this is perculiar to gamblers, it happens to weak people who suddenly see amount of money they've not seen before. I call them weak people because they are not matured mentally; they believe that when they have money, they have to change their class of friends to reflect their new status.  I have seen childhood friends who grew up together, shared everything in common,  attended the same university and graduated the same year. One got a big job and within a short time, he became too uncomfortable around his friend because he made new friends that measure up to his standards. 

Strong men or those who are mentally matured maintain their childhood friends even when they achieve financial success. They do everything possible to elevate their friends, I have also seen this happen.Therefore, it is not a gambling thing but a societal problem.

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November 11, 2023, 06:58:35 AM
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That's why I don't like gambling offline, I prefer to gamble online. Win or lose only we know.
That's the easiest way to avoid it so we don't feel bad for anyone when we win big or vice versa, when a friend wins big, sometimes I also feel bad about being given a tip, even though I didn't ask for it and expected it too, but there are also friends. The other me often avoids his friends when he wins big just because he doesn't want his friends to owe him money. The point is that feeling awkward when you win big in front of your friends really makes you uncomfortable.

I also enjoy playing casinos alone in online casinos, rarely in offline casinos because of course it's a bit of a hassle if you have to avoid friends or friends avoid us, at least each other gambles better in online casinos because it's better to keep friendships intact and not split up just because of money. , it really hurts

        -    Maybe the winner at the casino was thinking differently, so he thought to avoid his close friends who were with him. That's why if these are close friends of the winner in the casino, the winner should not think badly of the close friends who considered him a close friend.

Oh, maybe this winner just showed his true colors because he won a large amount of money gambling, so that's what he did. Which is also not a good thing he did, in my opinion.

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