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October 26, 2023, 06:56:08 PM
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Cross addiction is as worst as the main addiction you are trying to quit and it is a terrible idea. But what is cross addiction?
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What Are Cross Addictions?
Cross addiction, also known as addiction transfer or addiction interaction disorder, occurs in various ways. First, an individual may simultaneously engage in substance abuse and maladapative behavioral patterns (medically referred to as behavioral or process addictions). Second, a person may replace one addiction with another (i.e., substituting opioids with cannabis). Third, an addictive behavior may precede a chemical addiction or vice versa.
https://www.choosingtherapy.com/cross-addiction/

So a friend told me that a mutual friend tried to replace his gambling addiction with another another one because he has tried all everything else. The new addiction is PS4. He pays for extra on the game and he is getting more and more into it. According to my friend, this mutual friend feels that paying $20 per month its subscription is better than $100- $500 on slots where he ends up losing.

Well I told him that this is basically cross addiction and what that mutual friend is trying to do is like running away from the truth. Not wanting to face the core issue. So he is justify spending $20 and not on slots when both are unhealthy addictions that can have far reaching consequences. He just has to sit and face his addiction head on without looking for a replacement addiction which is just as bad.

Ever heard of cross addiction or suffered from it?
What do you think?

While the framing of it, moving from one addiction to another, is hardly casting it in the best light - there is actually a grain of sense in all this. I believe it is a lot harder to pick up and continue an "addiction" to buying console games, because you generally get hooked in and want to actually play each different one for a substantial amount of times than constantly feeding money into a gambling website. So it is a good idea in that sense, as you are changing from one activity that can drain your bank account very quickly into one that is much less likely to have that impact. There are actually so many free games out there, the friend could actually wean themselves off spending money entirely in the end, which would be a big bonus if they choose to do so.

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October 27, 2023, 01:24:40 PM
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Cross, double, triple etc will make someone become worse since they can't even able to recover from one addiction, but they're can get addicted by any other thing. It's not really about gambling, but there are other cases that way higher than gambling e.g. sex and drugs. Most of people who get this addictions mostly have a bad ending, it can kill themselves, while gambling only losing money.
Someone doesn't really have to choose an addiction or an activity to cross with their gambling addiction if they know that the other addiction is even more dangerous than gambling itself and they might make it through with the gambling addiction but they won't with the other addiction even if they leave gambling after that. And one should find an alternative activity that is less expensive than gambling and the urge should also not be as severe as gambling, while both sex and drugs fall nowhere near those two things since both of them are even more expensive than gambling and have more severe urges as well.

So, someone who actually wants to leave gambling addiction and look for another activity that they can choose over gambling, should go for something moderate like maybe playing video games, or even watching movies, there are a lot of options that one can choose from which can get them away from gambling but also wouldn't have any severe effects on their life.

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October 28, 2023, 09:56:29 AM
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Personally, I don't see anything wrong when an addiction is replaced by another addiction, for example, one that requires less money. If a person instead of replacing an old addiction simply acquires a new one, it is a completely different situation. Instead of one addiction, he gets two. In my opinion, this is where the greatest danger may lie.

One of my friends liked to drink alcohol while gambling, but when he started to smoke marijuana he stopped controlling himself. This led to him not only losing all his money, but also getting into unpleasant situations in the casino.

"Addiction" from the word itself, anything associated with gambling is consider as bad, becauss anything that is too much can be bad, and nothing wrong with replacing the recent addiction to another? T hat's a twisted thinking how could there be no problem in that? There is!!!. Anything should be done with moderation in that way you will control yourself. And from alcohol to marijuana? Sre you kidding marijuana is much worst its like your friend ungraded his addiction into another level. Of course things will be much worse because we know even if he switched into smoking mariajuana he will still drink alcohol and added with gambling in casino its sure that he will have a bad happenings in casino or his life will be much more worst. Associating a vise during casino will be bad its like wasting your money in both gambling and vise which is a really unpleasant situation.

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October 28, 2023, 10:26:03 AM
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Personally, I don't see anything wrong when an addiction is replaced by another addiction, for example, one that requires less money. If a person instead of replacing an old addiction simply acquires a new one, it is a completely different situation. Instead of one addiction, he gets two. In my opinion, this is where the greatest danger may lie.

One of my friends liked to drink alcohol while gambling, but when he started to smoke marijuana he stopped controlling himself. This led to him not only losing all his money, but also getting into unpleasant situations in the casino.

"Addiction" from the word itself, anything associated with gambling is consider as bad, becauss anything that is too much can be bad, and nothing wrong with replacing the recent addiction to another? T hat's a twisted thinking how could there be no problem in that? There is!!!. Anything should be done with moderation in that way you will control yourself. And from alcohol to marijuana? Sre you kidding marijuana is much worst its like your friend ungraded his addiction into another level. Of course things will be much worse because we know even if he switched into smoking mariajuana he will still drink alcohol and added with gambling in casino its sure that he will have a bad happenings in casino or his life will be much more worst. Associating a vise during casino will be bad its like wasting your money in both gambling and vise which is a really unpleasant situation.
I understand your point, well some medical professionals also believed that cross addiction may lead to a range of dangers, well if that's the case, much better to seek professional health rather than DIY assessment. Actually, it seems impossible to a gambling addict to change especially if they don't want to help their selves. To address the real issue of cross addiction, One of the important points to keep in mind is stay connected though therapy, group coaching and professionals.



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October 28, 2023, 09:00:00 PM
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And as long as his new addiction isn't dangerous in reducing his money losses, maybe it could be a solution for him. But even though his addiction to video games is much better and safer, he also needs to find other activities so he doesn't play games all day. It will also reduce his gaming addiction so that he can benefit from doing other activities.

I used to have a friend who played video games every day until he didn't do anything else. His parents advised him to leave the house to see new things but he didn't want to. That has been going on for years, but he doesn't experience it anymore because he now works in an office.

So reducing addiction really depends on the person. If he can feel and realize that he has an addiction and wants to reduce it or cure it, he must find something else to do. And if he can do other things regularly, he can cure his addiction.

It can still be a vicious circle because a video game addiction has consequences that could intensify other problems in life, which in turn leads to other addictions or the former addiction to come into effect again and this time maybe even worse. Video game addictions definitely contributes negatively to the social bondings being neglected. If this is the case and the person loses friendships over time, what is that person going to do when he decides to end the video game addiction and instead do some great stuff, but with whom? The risk then is that gambling may be a thing again to kill some time.

Well, addiction is always a way to reflect what a Human Being is capable of suffering for not having control, but based on when we refer to Addiction to video Games, it is something that is not considered so serious, if it is spend When you have to go somewhere to play, but in a certain way when we are in a game or something we have to Control ourselves , video Games can also carry Much more responsibility , it is something that can be Generated in a very simple way, The caveat here is that when it's a video game things tend to be Smoother , you don't spend a lot of money and you can play for hours until you get your Fill , so when we do this type of thing , I Would think that things can be Generated for the Better , because in a casino Things are Different, because you spend a lot of money and if you fall into Addiction it is something worse , I am not one to think about what can cause the evils of a casino or a game like that of a game. Of video.

And although an addiction and an Addiction is Whatever it is, it comes from Where it comes from, I am of the opinion that when there is this type of game without control in video games it can cause some damage to the eyes, they can Cause Headaches if It is like an Addiction , in the Same way it damages the person, it cannot generate Anything other than what we Normally know in order to generate something that is useful to us, now things when they are with PS5 can be Monetized because now they have the function of do some Online Tournaments and bet with money, I don't know how much this can be harmful and cause addiction so you have to Spend Money , this is something that shouldn't be seen as bad, however this can cause even more Addiction because What the PS5 is much more Real, it looks very real , this is something that can always go in another direction, although I prefer that a person have this type of Addiction than that of a Casino that is Stronger.

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Ever heard of cross addiction or suffered from it?
What do you think?
I've never experienced this before but I once met someone who used to be my friend but now who knows where he goes, he definitely has a gambling problem or we call it a gambling addiction, but when he tries to avoid gambling, he looks for other alternatives to not be addicted to gambling anymore. tried to do illegal racing and this was the same as betting only in smaller amounts but I also asked him what his goal was to leave gambling but instead became addicted to betting on illegal racing and he answered that he actually wanted to stop betting on gambling but he was confused about finding a better alternative positive so he decided to bet on illegal racing and tried to find other solutions to continue to avoid betting slowly because he realized that if he was addicted, stopping immediately was very difficult. so the cross-addiction scenario that someone I know experienced was just a small attempt to slowly get away from gambling or casinos.
The intentions of your former friend were correct but the method he selected was terrible as ‘two wrongs do not make a right’.

What he should have done as he was finding difficult to leave gambling addiction behind is to look for professional help and receive it for months, as leaving a gambling addiction behind is not an event but a process, however by trying to overcome his addiction by engaging in another destructive behavior he has just compounded his problem even further.

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November 01, 2023, 08:14:03 AM
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Ever heard of cross addiction or suffered from it?
What do you think?
I've never experienced this before but I once met someone who used to be my friend but now who knows where he goes, he definitely has a gambling problem or we call it a gambling addiction, but when he tries to avoid gambling, he looks for other alternatives to not be addicted to gambling anymore. tried to do illegal racing and this was the same as betting only in smaller amounts but I also asked him what his goal was to leave gambling but instead became addicted to betting on illegal racing and he answered that he actually wanted to stop betting on gambling but he was confused about finding a better alternative positive so he decided to bet on illegal racing and tried to find other solutions to continue to avoid betting slowly because he realized that if he was addicted, stopping immediately was very difficult. so the cross-addiction scenario that someone I know experienced was just a small attempt to slowly get away from gambling or casinos.
The intentions of your former friend were correct but the method he selected was terrible as ‘two wrongs do not make a right’.

What he should have done as he was finding difficult to leave gambling addiction behind is to look for professional help and receive it for months, as leaving a gambling addiction behind is not an event but a process, however by trying to overcome his addiction by engaging in another destructive behavior he has just compounded his problem even further.
He may need to reach out to his friends to get him to do something before he decides to go to a professional and ask for help. Usually, friends can provide interesting ideas and make them want to do something that has nothing to do with gambling. But he should really get friends who care about him so he can really get a solution to stop gambling. Maybe his friend can't find a friend who can provide a solution but a solution for betting on illegal racing. It's the same as moving to another activity but still related to gambling.

Or he can ask a friend to help him find a job. Usually, this will help him to stay busy looking for any job vacancies, especially if there are friends who can offer him to work with them. If he can find it, at least he can leave his gambling behind to focus more on his work.

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Ever heard of cross addiction or suffered from it?
What do you think?
I've never experienced this before but I once met someone who used to be my friend but now who knows where he goes, he definitely has a gambling problem or we call it a gambling addiction, but when he tries to avoid gambling, he looks for other alternatives to not be addicted to gambling anymore. tried to do illegal racing and this was the same as betting only in smaller amounts but I also asked him what his goal was to leave gambling but instead became addicted to betting on illegal racing and he answered that he actually wanted to stop betting on gambling but he was confused about finding a better alternative positive so he decided to bet on illegal racing and tried to find other solutions to continue to avoid betting slowly because he realized that if he was addicted, stopping immediately was very difficult. so the cross-addiction scenario that someone I know experienced was just a small attempt to slowly get away from gambling or casinos.
The intentions of your former friend were correct but the method he selected was terrible as ‘two wrongs do not make a right’.

What he should have done as he was finding difficult to leave gambling addiction behind is to look for professional help and receive it for months, as leaving a gambling addiction behind is not an event but a process, however by trying to overcome his addiction by engaging in another destructive behavior he has just compounded his problem even further.
He may need to reach out to his friends to get him to do something before he decides to go to a professional and ask for help. Usually, friends can provide interesting ideas and make them want to do something that has nothing to do with gambling. But he should really get friends who care about him so he can really get a solution to stop gambling. Maybe his friend can't find a friend who can provide a solution but a solution for betting on illegal racing. It's the same as moving to another activity but still related to gambling.

Or he can ask a friend to help him find a job. Usually, this will help him to stay busy looking for any job vacancies, especially if there are friends who can offer him to work with them. If he can find it, at least he can leave his gambling behind to focus more on his work.

That's a good idea, why not help your former friend to find a decent job or other thing that may helps him to divert his/her attention and gaining money at the same time. (not any other illegal racing activities which is somehow related to gambling)  It will be more helpful to lessen his/her obsession in any illegal activities and gambling and I think that's a good and positive example of healthy Cross addiction. If your friend doesn't want to listen on your advices or having a hard time to follow your advices, maybe he/she needs a counseling if he/she has a problem when it comes to avoiding the gambling addiction.



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November 02, 2023, 10:56:14 AM
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Ever heard of cross addiction or suffered from it?
What do you think?
I've never experienced this before but I once met someone who used to be my friend but now who knows where he goes, he definitely has a gambling problem or we call it a gambling addiction, but when he tries to avoid gambling, he looks for other alternatives to not be addicted to gambling anymore. tried to do illegal racing and this was the same as betting only in smaller amounts but I also asked him what his goal was to leave gambling but instead became addicted to betting on illegal racing and he answered that he actually wanted to stop betting on gambling but he was confused about finding a better alternative positive so he decided to bet on illegal racing and tried to find other solutions to continue to avoid betting slowly because he realized that if he was addicted, stopping immediately was very difficult. so the cross-addiction scenario that someone I know experienced was just a small attempt to slowly get away from gambling or casinos.
The intentions of your former friend were correct but the method he selected was terrible as ‘two wrongs do not make a right’.

What he should have done as he was finding difficult to leave gambling addiction behind is to look for professional help and receive it for months, as leaving a gambling addiction behind is not an event but a process, however by trying to overcome his addiction by engaging in another destructive behavior he has just compounded his problem even further.
He may need to reach out to his friends to get him to do something before he decides to go to a professional and ask for help. Usually, friends can provide interesting ideas and make them want to do something that has nothing to do with gambling. But he should really get friends who care about him so he can really get a solution to stop gambling. Maybe his friend can't find a friend who can provide a solution but a solution for betting on illegal racing. It's the same as moving to another activity but still related to gambling.

Or he can ask a friend to help him find a job. Usually, this will help him to stay busy looking for any job vacancies, especially if there are friends who can offer him to work with them. If he can find it, at least he can leave his gambling behind to focus more on his work.

That's a good idea, why not help your former friend to find a decent job or other thing that may helps him to divert his/her attention and gaining money at the same time. (not any other illegal racing activities which is somehow related to gambling)  It will be more helpful to lessen his/her obsession in any illegal activities and gambling and I think that's a good and positive example of healthy Cross addiction. If your friend doesn't want to listen on your advices or having a hard time to follow your advices, maybe he/she needs a counseling if he/she has a problem when it comes to avoiding the gambling addiction.

Giving advise specially into your friend isnt really that a bad thing, there are really just that those people who dont really just that listen no matter how hard you do tell them or make them realize.
This is why im not really that a fan when it comes on giving out advises considering that im not really that kind of person whose really have that kind of patience when it comes to this no matter how close we are. As long i have done my part on telling on what are the things should be done or whats really that good for you then it would be final and if you dont tend to listen then you are the ones who would really be that leading into your decisions.It is really just that sad to look into those people whom you are close or being best friend who had wrecked out their lives due to gambling or on whatever things that theyre getting involved with just because on making bad decisions in life which they do really end up on negative things.

I dont think that things you are really that tending to get involved with are considered automatically as cross addictions on which we know that diverting out our
attention into something that would distract us but as long you wouldn't really be that engaging too much then it should be fine.
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The intentions of your former friend were correct but the method he selected was terrible as ‘two wrongs do not make a right’.

What he should have done as he was finding difficult to leave gambling addiction behind is to look for professional help and receive it for months, as leaving a gambling addiction behind is not an event but a process, however by trying to overcome his addiction by engaging in another destructive behavior he has just compounded his problem even further.
He may need to reach out to his friends to get him to do something before he decides to go to a professional and ask for help. Usually, friends can provide interesting ideas and make them want to do something that has nothing to do with gambling. But he should really get friends who care about him so he can really get a solution to stop gambling. Maybe his friend can't find a friend who can provide a solution but a solution for betting on illegal racing. It's the same as moving to another activity but still related to gambling.

Or he can ask a friend to help him find a job. Usually, this will help him to stay busy looking for any job vacancies, especially if there are friends who can offer him to work with them. If he can find it, at least he can leave his gambling behind to focus more on his work.
While keeping your mind busy is one of the easiest ways to deal with the problem of thinking constantly about the source of your addiction, things can be way more complicated than that.

And this is because in order to get someone else a job you need to vouch for them and risk your own reputation by doing so, and if they begin to underperform or even do illegal things then you will be blamed for it, even if it is not really your fault, so people are very wary about recommending someone with such an obvious problem as this could hinder their career prospects if something bad were to happen.

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That's a good idea, why not help your former friend to find a decent job or other thing that may helps him to divert his/her attention and gaining money at the same time. (not any other illegal racing activities which is somehow related to gambling)  It will be more helpful to lessen his/her obsession in any illegal activities and gambling and I think that's a good and positive example of healthy Cross addiction. If your friend doesn't want to listen on your advices or having a hard time to follow your advices, maybe he/she needs a counseling if he/she has a problem when it comes to avoiding the gambling addiction.
Helping him get a good job will at least help him try to divert his attention from gambling, and he will also have the opportunity to make money from his job. Even though he will later use the money for gambling, at least he can get money from other places, and he should understand that making money from work is difficult, so he should appreciate better what he earns. And it seems that this will make him understand to really reduce his gambling activities, which have made him lose a lot of money. By working, he will get a new passion where he can reduce his gambling activities until finally, he doesn't gamble too often and can reduce his gambling addiction.

While keeping your mind buys is one of the easiest ways to deal with the problem of thinking constantly about the source of your addiction, things can be way more complicated than that.

And this is because in order to get someone else a job you need to vouch for them and risk your own reputation by doing so, and if they begin to underperform or even do illegal things then you will be blamed for it, even if it is not really your fault, so people are very wary about recommending someone with such an obvious problem as this could hinder their career prospects if something bad were to happen.
Yes, it was like that because he really needed something else to divert his attention. Maybe it's not too serious work because he's still trying to change for the better so he needs a distraction. Besides, if we can't help him find a job, we can ask him to do something so he can divert his attention from gambling. The important thing is that he can immediately divert his activities from gambling and not depend on gambling to fill his time so that he can use it to do things that are more useful for him. Slowly, he will be able to do it, especially if we stay with him through it and that will make him happy because we are really trying to help him.

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Giving advise specially into your friend isnt really that a bad thing, there are really just that those people who dont really just that listen no matter how hard you do tell them or make them realize.
This is why im not really that a fan when it comes on giving out advises considering that im not really that kind of person whose really have that kind of patience when it comes to this no matter how close we are. As long i have done my part on telling on what are the things should be done or whats really that good for you then it would be final and if you dont tend to listen then you are the ones who would really be that leading into your decisions.It is really just that sad to look into those people whom you are close or being best friend who had wrecked out their lives due to gambling or on whatever things that theyre getting involved with just because on making bad decisions in life which they do really end up on negative things.

I dont think that things you are really that tending to get involved with are considered automatically as cross addictions on which we know that diverting out our
attention into something that would distract us but as long you wouldn't really be that engaging too much then it should be fine.
Giving advice, especially to friends, isnt always met with open ears. People often dont listen, no matter how much you try to make them see the light. Its frustrating, I know. Im not the most patient person either. When I give advice, I expect it to be taken seriously because I dont waste words on trivialities.

Now, gambling is not just a game; its a serious business. When people get involved in gambling, they're playing with fire. I've seen too many lives, especially those close to me, get wrecked because they didnt listen to good advice. They thought they were in control, but they werent

Its not about cross addictions or distractions. Its about knowing the limits. Engage too much, and you're in dangerous territory. I believe in being proactive, not reactive. You see a friend heading down that path, you intervene. You do your part, sure, but dont just walk away. Be relentless. If they dont listen, its on them, but at least you know you did everything you could. That's what being a friend is about. Thats what being a responsible human being is about.

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November 07, 2023, 09:50:44 AM
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Cross addiction is as worst as the main addiction you are trying to quit and it is a terrible idea.
Any addiction is really not good. But if one can move on to another addiction through switching then it is his/her choice since we know it's not really easy to quit.

So a friend told me that a mutual friend tried to replace his gambling addiction with another another one because he has tried all everything else. The new addiction is PS4. He pays for extra on the game and he is getting more and more into it. According to my friend, this mutual friend feels that paying $20 per month its subscription is better than $100- $500 on slots where he ends up losing.
Well, he spend less in his new addiction so he use this reason to justify his action and he is right somehow. But this doesn't mean it is fine to do this because still, it's an addiction and nothing's change. If he really wants to move on the best thing to do is to find other activity where he don't have to lose money to be entertained. Because this is still similar to gambling, he can justify his action but the fact still remain.

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November 07, 2023, 09:58:01 AM
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Cross addiction is as worst as the main addiction you are trying to quit and it is a terrible idea.
Any addiction is really not good. But if one can move on to another addiction through switching then it is his/her choice since we know it's not really easy to quit.

So a friend told me that a mutual friend tried to replace his gambling addiction with another another one because he has tried all everything else. The new addiction is PS4. He pays for extra on the game and he is getting more and more into it. According to my friend, this mutual friend feels that paying $20 per month its subscription is better than $100- $500 on slots where he ends up losing.
Well, he spend less in his new addiction so he use this reason to justify his action and he is right somehow. But this doesn't mean it is fine to do this because still, it's an addiction and nothing's change. If he really wants to move on the best thing to do is to find other activity where he don't have to lose money to be entertained. Because this is still similar to gambling, he can justify his action but the fact still remain.

Any forms of addiction is never been good, you would really be finding yourself that on a tough situation on which you would really be eventually be able to affect whether your relationship into your family or when it comes to your financial situation on which we should really be needing to avoid it in the first place. Cross addictions? Its never been that good on trying out to solve and addiction via means of other addiction but since we are talking about pc game addiction then it might be somewhat that better compared on gambling but of course we do know that time spent on playing games is never been that appealing for everyone on which there's always that possibility that it might be affecting something. Nothing beats out if you  do really engage on things on proper moderation
on which you arent really that risking something.
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~ So a friend told me that a mutual friend tried to replace his gambling addiction with another another one because he has tried all everything else. The new addiction is PS4. He pays for extra on the game and he is getting more and more into it. According to my friend, this mutual friend feels that paying $20 per month its subscription is better than $100- $500 on slots where he ends up losing. ~

As far as I know the PS4 game console has been hacked for a long time, so you can advise your friend to sell his console, add some money and buy the same one running on a special firmware that allows you to download games from the Internet. It seems to me that his problem is solved very simply and instead of acquiring cross addiction he gets rid of it and spends much less money to get dopamine.

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November 13, 2023, 04:44:53 AM
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So a friend told me that a mutual friend tried to replace his gambling addiction with another another one because he has tried all everything else. The new addiction is PS4. He pays for extra on the game and he is getting more and more into it. According to my friend, this mutual friend feels that paying $20 per month its subscription is better than $100- $500 on slots where he ends up losing.

Well I told him that this is basically cross addiction and what that mutual friend is trying to do is like running away from the truth. Not wanting to face the core issue. So he is justify spending $20 and not on slots when both are unhealthy addictions that can have far reaching consequences. He just has to sit and face his addiction head on without looking for a replacement addiction which is just as bad.

Ever heard of cross addiction or suffered from it?
What do you think?
This is actually my first time coming acroosed cross addiction and I do fully understand your whole process. He's just a friend to you, and you allow him to keep dipping into addiction? It doesn't show any remorseful act portrayed, rather you're the one that's supposed to make such behaviors not take place. Many people are scared of facing the truth, they just live in a lie and having absolutely nothing to hold on to, rather they keep lying to themselves inother to get rid of old memories and risky activities, moving from gambling on paying for PS4 games, its more considerable but that habits needs to be stop, there are a whole lot of measures to take when one is addicted.

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