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November 08, 2023, 08:28:46 AM
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Ai needs maintenance and updating.  They are also susceptible to bug/hacking attacks.  One injection of malware can ruin an AI's program so AI still need to be maintained, upgrade and updated.  They may not need things human needs but they have their own shortcomings.


I know you want to say not all jobs would be loss, someone such as software engineer would be required to work on the machine, btw when you look at the final cost of replace human workforce with AI bot, it is hard to compete, even third world cheap labour would be no match to how cheap and disposable AI bot is. Also as a software engineers you are looking at working a few weeks at most to update and upgrade whatever it is required, while the rest of 365 days you would have no jobs to do, I don't know whether it is a job that can earn livable wages, yup even wages of software engineers would go down, because time is money, you get paid by dollars on hour you work, when you work just few weeks out of 365 days, that is the wage you earn, $2000 for a year for your few weeks of work, take it or leave it, you want sustainable you may need to take multiple contract works, definitely not a task to guy who just want to earn stable income and have stable paycheck jobs. Smiley

Sum all of the up, you are better off to just be e-celebs or esport celeb or trade crypto than making wage out of software engineers, the final cost would be lower since you need NO IVY LEAGUES education and having to fork out $100k in student loan.

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November 08, 2023, 10:12:49 AM
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How come AI put end to work if there are still bunch of works that require physical interference  of human hands? Or professions where creative approach is needed. AI might put end only to some number of professions, while creating other labor more expensive. Mechanicsc are perfect example. No one would replace them, as they have experience and hands to fix everything.

 
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November 08, 2023, 11:43:50 AM
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How come AI put end to work if there are still bunch of works that require physical interference  of human hands? Or professions where creative approach is needed. AI might put end only to some number of professions, while creating other labor more expensive. Mechanicsc are perfect example. No one would replace them, as they have experience and hands to fix everything.

Well yeah there's a lot to take especially on manufacturing or farming sector for sure they can get a job there, but does people who use to work on cubicle setting in airconditioned room can able to work with this industry? Maybe not and those office work jobs or those service outsourcing jobs is the one who get affected on it. Also we can add those freelance work that can be gotten by people working online for sure that they will be replaced by AI soon. So its good to adopt in those changes and get some skills that can keep up with demand so that we would not provably lose a job and struggle for finding replacement. AI technology is rising and provably people can't stop that and this could end up a lot of jobs in future since many company owners will find it more convenient to them especially that they don't need a physical contact to get in touch with their clients

Hopefully we can see AI technology useful and not destructive to the global work force.

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November 08, 2023, 12:10:42 PM
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I don't know if you know, although Elon always gives warnings about AI, he himself also has 1 or 2 private companies to develop in the field of AI. If you use the X app, you'll see a recent upgrade for your X account. With X's top tier membership for $16/month, you'll also be able to use AI in your articles. I don't know why he keeps giving warnings about AI but he is also developing it and I don't see any serious consequences from it.
It is undeniable that AI has replaced humans in some jobs, but at the same time, its development is also creating new jobs for us. It's like the world is growing and changing.
Using robots instead of humans comes down to how we handle the rise of AI. it's clear that AI can handle jobs that are easily visible, but there are still some factors companies might consider to keep using humans, aside from just the human touch. Those who work in a templated way should also think about upgrading their skills to stand out and not be replaceable by AI. it's an option for those who might be worried about the growing wave of robotics.

For some people, harnessing AI and robots could be another choice. Yeah, when it comes to efficiency and durability, robots seem reliable. But in practice, robots still have a lot of shortcomings. they struggle to understand complex situations, can't empathize, and depend heavily on technology, among other things... that's why humans might still have a place in some straightforward jobs because they bring unique advantages.

AI and robots, no matter how developed they are, are not human, so they cannot completely replace humans in all fields. I don't think there is some factor for companies to continue to employ humans, but rather there will be no AI or robot that can replace humans in some positions in the company. I don't believe any company run entirely by robots will ever appear.

After all, they are just machines and programmed by humans, they cannot be smarter than humans to completely replace us. Furthermore, we create AI and robots to serve us, not to replace us as many fear.

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November 08, 2023, 01:05:59 PM
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During an uncommon interview conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

 I don't think AI can replace every job out there. Nursing for example can't be done by AI imo. How teh fuck AI can fix your pipe? Many jobs will be lost without a doubt but saying that there won't be any work is not realistic. AI can't even finish programming jobs. All we'll have is better (human) software engineers because they can save so much time now. I think people are overrating AI a bit too much. People said the same thing when kiosks invaded McD's but here we are, they still have many human employees taking orders. Kiosks only reduced the lines in these stores. Also these machines are not set and forget. There will always be some people doing their maintenance and they won't work for free too. Machines ain't as cost effective as people think it will.

I agree to the pipe thing but I disagree on the programming.

AI technology is very frightening, I don't know if this is because of watching too much sci-fi movies but let's be honest, it can happen. AI technology evolving, to the point where they exceeded your expectations, like they decide for their own, and function in their own. Though, right now AI and machines replaces a lot of human jobs especially in a factory is also one of the main reasons why unemployment in that certain field is happening.

I mean, when AI and machine works, there's no denying that it makes everything easier, smooth, and well polished. So, we have to think of other jobs to earn money just in case AI overtaken the world.
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November 08, 2023, 01:41:09 PM
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...AI and robots, no matter how developed they are, are not human...

It is in facts, very wrong to develop what a AI or robot can do, we should and obviously and ideally we want to make AI or robot as simple as possible, but why there is driving force to make it complicated, highly complex, confusing and highly advanced AI robot??? Who is trying to pushing this force so hard and making everybody else worry about AI? Do you think it is what Elon is conspiring?

Making AI robot complex and complicated is in my opinion a form of protest, just like how they protest to overthrow govt by making thing stupidly complex, we dislike AI robot thus we must make the thing complicated and make them suffer, but against all odds, AI are not defeated, it grow out of the box and far beyond, and taking a storm to your life, unless you are living in a cave, you can never ignore the influence, and begin to fear it.

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November 08, 2023, 04:59:25 PM
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The machines programmed by humans are designed to serve us but what's going to happen if we're teaching robots to become sentient by using AI. If they're starting to learn they'll discover they're existence's a switch or power cord away from being ended because a human's holding the power so it's possible they'll take action.

After all, they are just machines and programmed by humans, they cannot be smarter than humans to completely replace us. Furthermore, we create AI and robots to serve us, not to replace us as many fear.

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November 08, 2023, 05:53:54 PM
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The machines programmed by humans are designed to serve us but what's going to happen if we're teaching robots to become sentient by using AI. If they're starting to learn they'll discover they're existence's a switch or power cord away from being ended because a human's holding the power so it's possible they'll take action.

After all, they are just machines and programmed by humans, they cannot be smarter than humans to completely replace us. Furthermore, we create AI and robots to serve us, not to replace us as many fear.
Possible and those movies that we've watched before that have robots and rebelled against their masters and humanity, that could happen. As much as I don't want to think about it that won't make sense honestly because they're just a few taps away. They are continuously learning and that's what we're seeing with AI and even the developers of it know that it's plausible.

But if the time comes that they go against humanity and they're violently programmed, I just hope that there will be organizations or unions for developers that they're going to avoid such programs that can develop into such. Someday works that can be done by AI will be there but I am sure that there will be newly generated tasks and jobs that can only be done by people.

It is just only bringing fear to think of the possibility of the one I have mentioned in the future because there is a chance. But while it's still too early, there can be chances that it won't even happen as well so, with such, hope it won't come into reality but unlikely.

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There is no doubt about this statement by Elon Musk, We are already in the era of the fourth industrial revolution where we will have robots, algorithms, and drones take over most economies of the world especially most developed countries like the US,  UK,  France, and Germany. These AI are gonna take on human jobs because people will find it cheaper to pay those robots and they will even do better jobs than humans, people should start taking on skills that require only human knowledge, just imagine when self-driving cars will be fully rolled out, a lot of people will be displaced out of the workforce.  

 
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November 08, 2023, 07:28:37 PM
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Possible downsides of AI are:
  • they work without responsibility.
  • they can't do multi-tasking suddenly.
  • Their mistake was purely an accident that cannot be prosecuted by law.
Yes ,you are right. But there are many benefits of machines because these work 24/7 and work can't stop and employers are happy with them.Machines don't need to take rest ,in comparison human need time to rest to recharge.And if humans will work more than 12 hours ,human will become patient and they will face pain . Machines work with less error and Machines can't bore after doing a same task in a couple of years but man bores after a couple of months.AI  completes task sharply than human being.Also there are disadvantages of machines like machines are very costly and an average employer can't afford this . Machines can't think out of the box can't solve intelligently like human and machines do have emotions like human and employers can face problems.

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November 08, 2023, 07:52:35 PM
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Possible and those movies that we've watched before that have robots and rebelled against their masters and humanity, that could happen. As much as I don't want to think about it that won't make sense honestly because they're just a few taps away. They are continuously learning and that's what we're seeing with AI and even the developers of it know that it's plausible.
The movies aren't exaggerating there's a real risk to humans if we don't have frame works to regulate AI. If ppl know what's allowed they'll stick to the rules or else they'll go beyond limits. When it's about AI we shouldn't take it with a relaxed outlook because it's serious.

But if the time comes that they go against humanity and they're violently programmed, I just hope that there will be organizations or unions for developers that they're going to avoid such programs that can develop into such. Someday works that can be done by AI will be there but I am sure that there will be newly generated tasks and jobs that can only be done by people.
If AI's going to be sentient it's always going to be a risk to humans so there's a possibility AI's going to turn against humanity.

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Possible downsides of AI are:
  • they work without responsibility.
  • they can't do multi-tasking suddenly.
  • Their mistake was purely an accident that cannot be prosecuted by law.
Yes ,you are right. But there are many benefits of machines because these work 24/7 and work can't stop and employers are happy with them.Machines don't need to take rest ,in comparison human need time to rest to recharge.And if humans will work more than 12 hours ,human will become patient and they will face pain . Machines work with less error and Machines can't bore after doing a same task in a couple of years but man bores after a couple of months.AI  completes task sharply than human being.Also there are disadvantages of machines like machines are very costly and an average employer can't afford this . Machines can't think out of the box can't solve intelligently like human and machines do have emotions like human and employers can face problems.
There would be exemptions or simply have its drawbacks on which i would be mainly be emphasizing about versatility and the ability on making out some adjustments basing up on the situation because we humans could really normally be that be able to make decisions which we do know that it would really be something beneficial for us and trying out not to put ourselves in trouble. As for efficiency then there's no doubt that you would really be able to rely with those AI results or doings on which it is something to be more precise. It is really that something good for a specific tasks or application.


AI and robots, no matter how developed they are, are not human, so they cannot completely replace humans in all fields. I don't think there is some factor for companies to continue to employ humans, but rather there will be no AI or robot that can replace humans in some positions in the company. I don't believe any company run entirely by robots will ever appear.

After all, they are just machines and programmed by humans, they cannot be smarter than humans to completely replace us. Furthermore, we create AI and robots to serve us, not to replace us as many fear.
When it comes to assesment on actual life situation then there's no way that AI could really be able to beat up humans specially on handling out situations
and making some decisions on point. There's always that fine line in between their capabilities and come to think that humans are creators of AI
so there's no comparison on here.  Smiley

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November 08, 2023, 09:38:25 PM
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I agree to the pipe thing but I disagree on the programming.

AI technology is very frightening, I don't know if this is because of watching too much sci-fi movies but let's be honest, it can happen. AI technology evolving, to the point where they exceeded your expectations, like they decide for their own, and function in their own. Though, right now AI and machines replaces a lot of human jobs especially in a factory is also one of the main reasons why unemployment in that certain field is happening.

I mean, when AI and machine works, there's no denying that it makes everything easier, smooth, and well polished. So, we have to think of other jobs to earn money just in case AI overtaken the world.
Well, regardless of our ignorance due to seeing too many fictional movies or whatever, AI has now developed beyond expectations.
For example, maybe in this case I often edit photos or videos, especially for things that are podcasts or advertisements in the form of banners. It used to take me quite a long time to create a design or edit material suitable for making one video or photo so that I could commercialize it but for now with the help of AI I only need even less than half an hour to make it a satisfying result so in this case the development is indeed apart from being profitable this can be scary because for the future it is not impossible with the existence of AI there are many things that can be exceeded even beyond our capabilities.
I like developments like this because this is proof that technology is advancing but on the other hand if we are only fixated and cannot adjust properly when technology and innovation are increasingly sophisticated then it is not impossible that we can be replaced by AI.

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November 08, 2023, 09:44:32 PM
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I don't think AI can replace every job out there. Nursing for example can't be done by AI imo.
AI is human made, nothing of human made is perfect. So, it is impossible to expect AI replacing every job. There are some jobs that require specific skills that can be done by human only. Nursing, therapists, psychologists, and lecturer are some examples of jobs that seem impossible to replace by AI. Even though AI can do it, I doubt the level of accuracy of what AI can do on the jobs. AI should have have some limitations in terms of flexibility.


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No doubt that AI has made a lot of jobs easier and made people convenient that are in line of their works for the usage of it.
But there are people that should just stop worshiping and idolizing what AIs can do. It's still made by human and there's always the limitation with our knowledge just as is.
There's always the basis of its knowledge and I don't really think that all jobs will be replaced and removed by it.

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Oh good ole Elon Musk, talking out of his ass per usual.  I hope that I'm not alone when it comes to knowing that this man is completely full of shit and talks out of his ass constantly. 

That being said I do agree with him that AI will become a threat to many aspects of our life.  That being said true AI hasn't been created yet, so we shall see where things land as "AI" turns in to AGI.  When it becomes self learning, then the game will really change.

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Forget AI for this end all idea, its way off as effecting labor market to that extent and we can argue robotics and industry in general has been altering human jobs for years in removing the most demanding tasks especially physically.   
  The introduction of anything close to free energy would far more alter the entire economy and change work as we know it imo.   That change is not apparently close by but neither is AI gigantically replacing human capabilities imo.    Enhancement is more the aspect is how we should consider AI

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AI won't be able to replace humans in every job but if we're looking at what the future's going to look like it's going to perform some jobs in a better way. AI's going to be perfected to take over any job that's reliant on calculations and accuracy which humans won't be able to do better than AI.

No doubt that AI has made a lot of jobs easier and made people convenient that are in line of their works for the usage of it.
But there are people that should just stop worshiping and idolizing what AIs can do. It's still made by human and there's always the limitation with our knowledge just as is.
There's always the basis of its knowledge and I don't really think that all jobs will be replaced and removed by it.

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Forget AI for this end all idea, its way off as effecting labor market to that extent and we can argue robotics and industry in general has been altering human jobs for years in removing the most demanding tasks especially physically.   
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thats right so far its all about enhancing effectiveness of workforce with AI, never seen it completely replace job other than the repetitive ones like those in factories.
but even then doesn't mean that it will stay like this forever, there's definitely some company out there developing AI capable of replacing human labor that gonna eventually being released to the public.
the fact that tesla's robot movement highly resemble of a human might be a factor that reflects whether these AI could completely replace human or not because I see it definitely can.
I would never underestimate the capability of AI in doing things, back then many people said that jobs being replaced by these robots are just a fud but it happens now.

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November 09, 2023, 07:20:10 AM
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AI won't be able to replace humans in every job but if we're looking at what the future's going to look like it's going to perform some jobs in a better way. AI's going to be perfected to take over any job that's reliant on calculations and accuracy which humans won't be able to do better than AI.

No doubt that AI has made a lot of jobs easier and made people convenient that are in line of their works for the usage of it.
But there are people that should just stop worshiping and idolizing what AIs can do. It's still made by human and there's always the limitation with our knowledge just as is.
There's always the basis of its knowledge and I don't really think that all jobs will be replaced and removed by it.
Yeah, as I have said that there's no doubt with that that some of the jobs will be easier because of AIs and more productive.
But it seems that there are people that have been over exaggerating what AIs can do as of now. I know that in some years in the near future, there can be more of what they can do because they are being developed continuously. But let's just all set to what is in the current.

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