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November 04, 2023, 11:08:22 AM
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what do you think about this? are games which are played by computers are rigged? don't answer like we play for fun, we are responsible, we are bitcoiner we know to verify bets, etc.
ok, I would not say that, but do you remember how gambling works?
logically, everything about gambling and betting still relies heavily on luck, even slot games which in theory will continue to drain your money because thats how gambling works to get money to develop a gambling business and if I bet at the right and reputable casino good. If I lose in a row for a week or a month, I dont think its scam, but I am just unlucky.

and if you increase the number of bets or your budget, it does not mean that you will be safe from losing money because gambling is not always about winning but also the risk that you will incur, namely losses that you will continue to incur. so I not say dont gamble responsibly or gamble just for fun but rather the way gambling works is to get profits from customers but that does not mean scamming.

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November 04, 2023, 11:10:56 AM
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what do you think about this? are games which are played by computers are rigged? don't answer like we play for fun, we are responsible, we are bitcoiner we know to verify bets, etc.

Based on your post, you generalized it if you've been playing for many years and you are doing or did an investigation and you found out something is rigged based on the result of your investigation then do the community a favor by posting this in the scam section with all the screenshots of your evidence.

You don't speculate or make an assumption based on the experience of one streamer, does this mean that every loser will cry out its rigged and winners will not, not all who lose millions will cry its rigged, there are sore losers that will justify why they loss and will find a way to get back on the casino for losing.
If someone thinks that casinos are rigged then why did he let himself lose by millions?

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November 04, 2023, 11:23:31 AM
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what do you think about this? are games which are played by computers are rigged? don't answer like we play for fun, we are responsible, we are bitcoiner we know to verify bets, etc.

Based on your post, you generalized it if you've been playing for many years and you are doing or did an investigation and you found out something is rigged based on the result of your investigation then do the community a favor by posting this in the scam section with all the screenshots of your evidence.

You don't speculate or make an assumption based on the experience of one streamer, does this mean that every loser will cry out its rigged and winners will not, not all who lose millions will cry its rigged, there are sore losers that will justify why they loss and will find a way to get back on the casino for losing.
If someone thinks that casinos are rigged then why did he let himself lose by millions?

Streamers these days don't have a good reputation. They're either paid to promote gambling sites or to criticize them. If someone loses millions, I don't think they should rush to social media. Their first priority should be filing a lawsuit if they have evidence that the game is rigged. We shouldn't quickly believe what we see, especially if it's harming a well-known gambling site that our community knows is doing well.

Stake is probably the most popular gambling site right now. They have a lot of money, so they can afford to sponsor big events. There are competitors who are willing to play dirty just to discredit them.



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November 04, 2023, 11:55:34 AM
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what do you think about this? are games which are played by computers are rigged? don't answer like we play for fun, we are responsible, we are bitcoiner we know to verify bets, etc.

Based on your post, you generalized it if you've been playing for many years and you are doing or did an investigation and you found out something is rigged based on the result of your investigation then do the community a favor by posting this in the scam section with all the screenshots of your evidence.

You don't speculate or make an assumption based on the experience of one streamer, does this mean that every loser will cry out its rigged and winners will not, not all who lose millions will cry its rigged, there are sore losers that will justify why they loss and will find a way to get back on the casino for losing.
If someone thinks that casinos are rigged then why did he let himself lose by millions?
Expect that they cant prove out any solid evidence which most of these accusations are really just that in result because of their emotions on which we know that these kind of words
would really be normally going or coming out on the time that a certain gambler would really be losing all of their money. So its better to ignore those type of person because there's no proof that they would definitely be able to show off since those things are really that completely just based up with their own insights and beliefs that they do have in mind on which we know that it isnt something that we do need to believe from time to time.
Even myself did really have that kind of experience on which on the time that you would really be having that consecutive loss then you would really be that definitely having those kind of thoughts or ideas
that would kicked in into your mind that what if you are dealing with a rigged site? Of course you would trying out to reflect on which place you are dealing with but if you are that been playing on a site
which is known and reputable then there's no way that you could be able to prove it out unless if you do have that solid proof then there might be a chance but if not then dont expect for the
public to support out such claim but rather they would really be laughing at you.

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November 04, 2023, 12:58:22 PM
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Yeah, for someone who gambles a lot and with that money. We don't care whether he can afford that or not but for him, he can spend that no matter what will be the outcome of his gambling.

We always have these people complain of how unlucky they are and how much they've lost. If they don't gamble in the first place, they wouldn't have any problems at all.

All they need to do is to stop gambling and let their money spend somewhere else so that they're not going to lose it through gambling.

Stop gambling completely is an option if they believe such activity is a major problem in their life, otherwise it is okey just to step down the wager and try get better at money management, in my opinion.
Also, It bothers my mind how anyone would spend millions on gambling before thinking the game is rigged against them, usually people start to suspect about a game being rigged way before reaching such point in their session or number of sessions and decide to move to other games or casinos.
If people paid attention the information page of casinos like Stake, where they clearly warn people not to deposit more than they can afford to lose, we would not see so many cases of people complaining and throwing accusations of fraud each time there are losses to mourn. At least, not all gamblerd are like that and just take the losses, moving on to improve themselves through time.

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November 04, 2023, 01:15:02 PM
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Yeah, for someone who gambles a lot and with that money. We don't care whether he can afford that or not but for him, he can spend that no matter what will be the outcome of his gambling.

We always have these people complain of how unlucky they are and how much they've lost. If they don't gamble in the first place, they wouldn't have any problems at all.

All they need to do is to stop gambling and let their money spend somewhere else so that they're not going to lose it through gambling.

Stop gambling completely is an option if they believe such activity is a major problem in their life, otherwise it is okey just to step down the wager and try get better at money management, in my opinion.
Also, It bothers my mind how anyone would spend millions on gambling before thinking the game is rigged against them, usually people start to suspect about a game being rigged way before reaching such point in their session or number of sessions and decide to move to other games or casinos.
If people paid attention the information page of casinos like Stake, where they clearly warn people not to deposit more than they can afford to lose, we would not see so many cases of people complaining and throwing accusations of fraud each time there are losses to mourn. At least, not all gamblerd are like that and just take the losses, moving on to improve themselves through time.
Am sincerely always saddened by such kind of accusations mostly when the gambler has lost much more than what they should loose. I don't know which was the case between having to discover the games betted on was rigged or having to realize the loss and thus looking for who to blame for incurring such a loss.
It was probably a very bad day to have lost such in slots and if I were the one who noticed how the systems delayed showing winning results or rewards, I would have not waited for my funds to finish because I was so engrossed and feel I can win after the next bet. I believe this happened so because the OP has much funds to loose and it wouldn't bother him as life or others don't depend on him for survival.
Even the owners would disagree the game was rigged because they have the business and want to make profit at any means and can delete any proof of such criminality behind rigging.

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November 04, 2023, 06:39:43 PM
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Gambling is a tricky thing.  For some folks, it's no big deal - they can throw down cash and not have it mess with their lives.  But others get sucked in too deep.  Even if you've got money to burn, gotta watch that you're not just tossing it to the wind without getting any fun back. 

Calling something rigged when you're on a losing streak is an easy.  But the casinos and bookies gotta keep an even playing field to keep their good name. and  That's not saying there aren't shady games out there, but you better have solid proof if you're gonna yell rigged!

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November 04, 2023, 07:12:45 PM
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People thinking that casinos are rigged is a common misconception, and casinos are guaranteed to make huge profits without cheating. Moreover, there is no real evidence to support that casinos are cheating and many gamblers lose a lot of money and accuse them of being cheated by casinos when in fact they do not accept the fact that it is one of the real risks in gambling.
Gambling is luck and luck is unpredictable. So bet moderately and for fun, sometimes today you are unlucky, tomorrow there is a chance to be lucky.

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November 04, 2023, 07:18:32 PM
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People thinking that casinos are rigged is a common misconception, and casinos are guaranteed to make huge profits without cheating. Moreover, there is no real evidence to support that casinos are cheating and many gamblers lose a lot of money and accuse them of being cheated by casinos when in fact they do not accept the fact that it is one of the real risks in gambling.
Gambling is luck and luck is unpredictable. So bet moderately and for fun, sometimes today you are unlucky, tomorrow there is a chance to be lucky.

Gambling had no need to cheat the gamblers,because they already earning by conducting the game.So in the game one of the gambler was the winner and all the rest was the loser.So the game based on the algorithm,the person who had create the maximum updated tactics to the algorithm will be the winner.But while creating the tactics,don’t think you are the brilliant then the algorithm or the gambling site.If so all the adult around the world will do the gambling alone.So the gambling was based on the undefined algorithm,which is hard to predicted by the person who well at the mathematics.So the luck also important with the tactics in the gambling.

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November 04, 2023, 07:19:50 PM
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It's called gambling man. You are not going to win every bet nor are you going to lose everytime. You can verify your results on most sites and see the bet was fair. If it was easy then everyone would be rich and the casinos would be out of business. That's just the simple truth of it all. Casino's(at least most of them) don't need to cheat players. They know in the longrun that players are going to lose. You cannot go around calling sites a scam because you lost.

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November 04, 2023, 07:29:46 PM
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Here's a example what happens with me:
When I bet big suddenly on crash game on stake it every time stops and seems like the computer is thinking about results after waiting for sometimes i bust at 1x to 1.10x, I would had believed that it is random when this incident happens with me once or twice but it happened with me more than 10 times, I betted my all funds but every time on crash it waits and think to how to bust me on short time.

Bet big? What is big in your opinion? Your understanding of big might be different from what we and owners of Stake think it is.
If you really see it happening this way, why wouldn't you record your session and put it on youtube? I could be sympathetic if I saw this happen. If you were to bet in a pattern like this ($1 W, $1 W, $10 L, $1 W, $1 W, $10 L, $10 L and so on), people might start to believe you, but for now it's your word against the casino's.
I don't think that it's rigged but if I lost a million dollars I'd probably change my mind. You can go crazy after such loss.

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November 04, 2023, 07:47:04 PM
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I definitely would say that some games are sure rigged on some casinos, most especially in games like slot games and casino games, but it is important to understand the place of luck in gambling, this is something i think i particularly have mentioned on this board in one of the threads. some gamblers have this habit of seeing games as rigged whenever they play and don't win, like they are expecting to always be winning all the time, forgetting that gambling does not work like that.

One will not always be lucky as long as gambling is concerned, it's wrong to believe that a game is rigged when we don't win, meanwhile we don't complain or think same whenever we are winning, like i said before, there are indeed some casino that rig some of their games, but this is mostly done by less popular casino who are still in dear need for money from gamblers to keep the casino running, I do not believe that casinos as big as Stake will engage themselves in rigging games when they already have made more than enough money for themselves.

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November 04, 2023, 07:55:04 PM
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I definitely would say that some games are sure rigged on some casinos, most especially in games like slot games and casino games, but it is important to understand the place of luck in gambling, this is something i think i particularly have mentioned on this board in one of the threads. some gamblers have this habit of seeing games as rigged whenever they play and don't win, like they are expecting to always be winning all the time, forgetting that gambling does not work like that.

Well maybe they are rigged on some casinos, specially those that don't have reputation and I think some of them really do that, obviously to make money out of unsuspecting victims and it's might be too late that we might have noticed some irregularities. And if I'm not mistaken, there was one casino as well being accused of colluding specially in a poker table.

One will not always be lucky as long as gambling is concerned, it's wrong to believe that a game is rigged when we don't win, meanwhile we don't complain or think same whenever we are winning, like i said before, there are indeed some casino that rig some of their games, but this is mostly done by less popular casino who are still in dear need for money from gamblers to keep the casino running, I do not believe that casinos as big as Stake will engage themselves in rigging games when they already have made more than enough money for themselves.

I guess that's how the mindset of most gamblers most of the time. We know that risk and we did take it and then we won some and lost some. But the problem is that if people continue to lose in a such a bad way that we really can't explain and the only way we look at it is that we have been cheated by this casinos.
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November 04, 2023, 07:57:57 PM
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It's called gambling man. You are not going to win every bet nor are you going to lose everytime. You can verify your results on most sites and see the bet was fair. If it was easy then everyone would be rich and the casinos would be out of business. That's just the simple truth of it all. Casino's(at least most of them) don't need to cheat players. They know in the longrun that players are going to lose. You cannot go around calling sites a scam because you lost.
Throwing out those kind of reasons does simply shows that a certain person is really that totally saying up those things because of their emotions on which they would really be having that kind of reasoning or trying out to convince themselves that they had been cheated or being rigged up and there are ones who are really that too tactful when it comes to this on which means
that it is really that a common behavior. There are really just those people who cant just accept the risks involved with gambling and made out direct accusations without having any basis.
Yes its true that gambling businesses are indeed wont really be able to exist if they are really that keep on losing. They are running a business and of course they would
really be that normally be having the advantage against their players but of course it would really be just that on a minimal chance on giving out those winnings to.
Establishing trust and reputation is never been simple, this is why casino owners wont really be that so dumb on having those kind of cheating their players.

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what do you think about this? are games which are played by computers are rigged? don't answer like we play for fun, we are responsible, we are bitcoiner we know to verify bets, etc.

Will the more we bet guarantee that we will win? And will the more we increase the bet, the more we can guarantee that we will get a big win?

No matter how often or how big we bet, we can never guarantee that we will get a big win in the gambling we are doing, especially as you are telling us, it is a type of machine gambling game like slots and other similar games. And after all, the machine can be arranged in such a way as to not harm the owner and still make a profit even though it has given big wins to some of its visitors. This is gambling that depends on luck to win. This is different from card games where you can always increase your chances of winning, for example by improving your skills, knowledge and tricks to win the game. Likewise with sports betting, by betting here you will always be able to increase your chances of winning by continuing to improve your skills, analytical techniques, knowledge, information and the sharpness of your instincts in predicting matches. And it is said that soccer betting is the fairest type of gambling because the level of losses and wins is equal.

And starting from what I have mentioned above, this is where it is important to understand and determine what type of gambling you will play. Don't let it happen because we don't understand the type of gambling we are playing as well as the rules of the game, where because of this ignorance, in the end we will only blame the gambling platform when we experience continuous defeat. Even though we ourselves are too stupid because we don't understand the types of gambling and the rules of the game.

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Firstly I think it's important you know that gambling is very much based on luck and in most cases it's tilted to go against you so out of every 10 rounds, 8 are usually tilted against you except a few times you could be lucky to win that's basically how the casino profits.

So it's very possible there can be manipulations because if they continually allow you to win they wouldn't make profit and if everyone wins aswell there wouldn't be enough funds to pay everybody so at some point I think the throw in some manipulations so they could get some more funds but it's not too often, sometimes it could be you having a bad day and sometime you could have a lucky day aswell, this is a personal opinion tho.

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The house knows that they will always have a profit with a large amount of capital to maintain operations on the games, and winning players are only a few, almost every game I have ever tried has the same feeling that they are are all addictive whether you lose/win. I have had a number of private conversations with online gambling developers, and they also shared the truth about the Sic Bo game, even if there is a difference in the odds between the parties, they will still be willing to pump money. to balance and win for the house. So there are actually killing machines that many people don't know about, but its legality is always an issue when the games that are created always have powerful and financial parties behind them support, so if you don't understand this and see it as a way to make money, sooner or later that addict will end up broke.

But we also need to have a more fair view, not only on negative issues, but also as an entertaining player, I don't want life to become difficult when losing. Fun gambling and sports betting all bring unforgettable emotions.









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November 04, 2023, 08:44:42 PM
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We either have to agree that casinos use provably fair system and that it works, or not.

If you believe it doesn't, why not check the seed of that one game. You say that low bets were fine but when you bet high it was a loss, so it's rigged, so verify that one seed of the game you lost. I don't see a problem.

A game is very simple and it doesn't need time to think about the outcome of a roll. If you experience delays and think the game is making sure you lose, know that the interface is much slower than the game itself. The game is settled the moment you press your mouse button. You may not see the result but it's already calculated because the game needs milliseconds to do it, but then it has to let the front end do its thing and send it all to the player.
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November 04, 2023, 09:12:17 PM
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Bet big? What is big in your opinion? Your understanding of big might be different from what we and owners of Stake think it is.
If you really see it happening this way, why wouldn't you record your session and put it on youtube? I could be sympathetic if I saw this happen. If you were to bet in a pattern like this ($1 W, $1 W, $10 L, $1 W, $1 W, $10 L, $10 L and so on), people might start to believe you, but for now it's your word against the casino's.
I don't think that it's rigged but if I lost a million dollars I'd probably change my mind. You can go crazy after such loss.

Maybe the OP is gambling with a different playing pattern and he has explained that he will always raise the bet every time he loses, so the gambler should know the algorithm of how the slot casino works then he will not accuse the casino of being rigged because the slot casino has low potential to win and the solution must minimize losses for the next betting session.

Don't play emotionally to increase your bet every time you lose because you will experience high losses and won't be able to recover your losses if you gamble with a pattern like that, that's why I rarely play slot gambling because it has an impact on the emotional factor of risking all my funds.

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November 04, 2023, 09:45:48 PM
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People thinking that casinos are rigged is a common misconception, and casinos are guaranteed to make huge profits without cheating. Moreover, there is no real evidence to support that casinos are cheating and many gamblers lose a lot of money and accuse them of being cheated by casinos when in fact they do not accept the fact that it is one of the real risks in gambling.
Gambling is luck and luck is unpredictable. So bet moderately and for fun, sometimes today you are unlucky, tomorrow there is a chance to be lucky.

True, I agree with you. The real problem here is the OP. Let's say this: if he suspects that the casino is rigged, then why does he keep betting? Even raise the stake? The real problem is that he keeps on betting and betting because he's desperate for winnings. He thinks that betting more money and betting more sessions will give him a win, but in reality, it's not. Slots are all about propability and luck; the OP just doesn't think carefully before spending and betting.

There is no evidence that online casinos are rigged; if it is, then they should not be permitted to operate online because they will adhere to the rules and laws; it's a processor to which they will get a permit, and I'm sure they have checked if their system will cheat or be rigged. It's just that the OP finds something to blame, but the truth is, he should blame himself for excessive betting. If you know you are losing too much money from that start, then as a responsible gambler, you should stop. You should know your limits, but the problem is that OP is an irresponsible gambler.

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