Proposal For Naija (Nigeria LB) Sub-Boards Creation

[Majestic-milf]

 This is a good suggestion and I hope we get a very favorable reply from Theymos. The Nigerian local board has grown tremendously and what the Op is requesting is really important for the board because if there's no sub board for politics and societal discussion and off topic, we'll be forced to see some discussions which are not Bitcoin related but fit somewhere else as off topic.
I remember when @cryptopreneurbrainboss and @igebotz made a vote for how much percentage of politics be discussed but with how much the board grew, some users have forgotten that there's a limit and if you go on that board, you'd find more societal discussions more than the Bitcoin ones and I feel it's pertinent Theymos do something to this end.
 For me, if this proposal is granted, asides from giving the board a moderator, it may help reduce the amount of spam on the board and if eventually a mod is given, it reduces his job of having to always check on how much spam is on the board.

[Igebotz]

I think it would be much more beneficial for you to ask for a local moderator. You have several very active members who, if they are ready to accept responsibility, should perhaps apply for local mod positions.
Merit source applications to reward quality posts more are okay, but spam removal is perhaps more important for maintaining the forum. In the end, it will be easier for you to discuss if your board is spam-free.

I beg to disagree. While global mods can still delete spam (having their onw local mod would be of course better), not having separate child boards is imho more important and should be priority. Imagine if on our local board we don't have child boards and instead everything is crammed in one and if it was 10x as active.

Regarding them getting their own local moderator, it mainly depends on the amount of spam they have there so unless its a real problem, chances of them getting one are not good.

What the global moderators do is lock up threads with repeated reports, which is not what we want. I can't blame them because you need to understand pidgin English to be able to know what spam is. We need a local moderator that is fluent in the language and can go through threads to remove spam. There are many of us who are willing to take on this position, but what we really need right now are child boards because our current situation is similar to what we had on our local thread (before the creation of LB). The level of congestion is extremely high now.

While I am glad to see that you started request topic, choice of child boards seem kinda strange to me. Wouldn't it make more sense to put off topic and politics&society into one child board, while asking for some other boards like "altcoins" (once bull market start you can expect increase of intresest in those, or maybe even marketplace if there's enough interest.

Anyway, I hope that you get new child boards as soon as possible since you are one of the most active local boards and you are in a real need for at least a few. 

Not every LB has multiple child boards and we didn't see the need for altcoins and marketplace sub-boards as most Nigerians aren't interested in rendering services nor are they interested in altcoins.

[Lida93]

• To minimize spams: Since there is no local moderator at the moment, the child board will separate the trash, spamming and unrefined posts from the main board.

I think it would be much more beneficial for you to ask for a local moderator. You have several very active members who, if they are ready to accept responsibility, should perhaps apply for local mod positions.
Merit source applications to reward quality posts more are okay, but spam removal is perhaps more important for maintaining the forum. In the end, it will be easier for you to discuss if your board is spam-free.

it is he who wore the shoes knows where it pinches the most, local board mod is likewise important to this course but in a scale of preference we think the sub-boards comes in first in our request.

There are reputable members in the Naija LB that will be willing and ready to take up the mod responsibility if the chance giving. I have had private discussion with some of our LB members are they appear to show interest in the position.

If the board is spam, it will be muted, locked. Locals can continue their spamming before the board is locked.

Use report to report spam posts because it's responsibility of local members who ask for the local board.

The board is in English and global moderators, current moderators who can use English can moderate it. All moderators in Bitcointalk can use English well and all of them can do this.

Your suggestion is not bad but still not good and won't give the desired final solution seek for.

How many mods in the bitcointalk that uses English that have a good understanding of the Naija pidgin? Abi nah ur mout de scratch you wey dey tok okpata.[/list]

[Agbamoni]

If the board is spam, it will be muted, locked. Locals can continue their spamming before the board is locked.

Use report to report spam posts because it's responsibility of local members who ask for the local board.

The board is in English and global moderators, current moderators who can use English can moderate it. All moderators in Bitcointalk can use English well and all of them can do this.

I think it's a great idea to get local moderators to moderate the board. Despite that the board uses English language as a language, it also uses what we call the Pidgin English. Pidgin English is a lingua franca that is a mixture between English language and other African languages. Pidgin is widely spoken in Africa and every country in the continent has its peculiar style of speaking in Pidgin. For instance, the style in which a Nigerian speak Pidgin English is different from Ghana or Cameroon despite their closeness in borders.

Nigerian Pidgin is blend with other major indigenous tribes in the country such as Hausa, Yoruba and Igbo. So, most at times, it takes an indigenous speaker to understand the conversation between them and communicate. Likewise, it will take a local moderator to be able to effectively monitor the conversations in the board as well as sort the threads in the proposed child boards.

An English moderator is not a bad idea but for a more effective moderation of the board, you need a local or native moderator.

You have spoken well and provided further explanations for better understanding. When it comes to selecting a moderator for a board or sub-board, there are pros and cons to consider. You need to trust who you are selecting and how well they have contributed to the development of the local board. Additionally, it should be someone who is not afraid to speak out, preferably someone with a history of addressing issues they believe are wrong or not handled properly in the local board.

Having a local moderator is more preferable, as you mentioned. The person should be fluent in both good English and African Pidgin and should be able to relate to African culture, beliefs, and a way of life. Time zone is also important. It's best to know the moderator's available hours for moderation.

[Franctoshi]

This request is due and from the point of being one of the most active local boards in the Forum, it makes much of sense if there be a creation of a sub-board to de-congest the main board, and keep the board clean and for easy navigation of topics because from my notice topics get easily buried a few hours after it is published,  Therefore with the grant of this request to include politics & society and other discussion into Nigerian Local Board, it definitely in solving the problems and filtering of LB.

@Agbe this is such a great idea and I'm in full support of this request.

[Rikafip]

What the global moderators do is lock up threads with repeated reports, which is not what we want. I can't blame them because you need to understand pidgin English to be able to know what spam is.

Well, in that case won't hurt to create moderator request topic as well. You certainly won't get one until you ask for it so why not, but before that you should also discuss among yourself who would be a good moderator because if theymos gonna approve it, he will ask who you prefer to get that role.

Not every LB has multiple child boards and we didn't see the need for altcoins and marketplace sub-boards as most Nigerians aren't interested in rendering services nor are they interested in altcoins.

You know the best which sections you actually need, just seemed weird to ask for two non-bitcoin related topics.

[Davidvictorson]

Great effort Agbe. Well done.

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I have read the back and forth from the arguments of both Nigerians and non-Nigerians alike. In summary, we can agree that

- Although the child boards will not reduce spamming we need it to maintain sanity in the board.
- Secondly, spamming can be controlled and brought to its barest minimum if we have a moderator from the local board. I nominate Agbe for this role.

My thoughts are that we have a better shot getting a moderator from the local board than being granted the child board.

Let's see what Thymos would do.

[Igebotz]

Well, in that case won't hurt to create moderator request topic as well. You certainly won't get one until you ask for it so why not, but before that you should also discuss among yourself who would be a good moderator because if theymos gonna approve it, he will ask who you prefer to get that role.

On a more realistic side, requesting a board moderator is not what we urgently require at this moment because thyemos must be convinced with a slew of bad reports, which we lack.I'm not claiming that the LB is free of spam. I'm only stating that there isn't a lot of spam on the board. This is something that the global moderators can tackle, but I find it strange that a large number of my reports go unsolved. Our urgent demands are sub-boards and a merit source. For the time being, we can do without a Local moderator.

You know the best which sections you actually need, just seemed weird to ask for two non-bitcoin related topics.

The main boards with serve as Bitcoin discussion and economics

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

I think it would be much more beneficial for you to ask for a local moderator. You have several very active members who, if they are ready to accept responsibility, should perhaps apply for local mod positions.

We are going to later ask for a moderator, but the need for other boards (especially other discussion which is meant for off-topic) is imminent. If there is a moderator moderating that board, he will not be able to delete many of the posts which some people see as spam, because many are not spam but belonging to off-topic board. Unless the moderator just want to be harsh. It is worth mentioning that moderators have fast response to the posts that I have been reporting on the board.

Yes, I agree with what you said. I happen to be normally active on the Nigerian local board, and I also suggest that there should be some sub-boards, and after the sub-boards, a moderator should arise. The reason is not far from what you have said; there are most topics that should just be on the off-topic board, but they all just get jam packed on one single board, and if there are any moderators now, I think it's actually going to be a very stressful or confused duty for the moderator, but if there are sub-bards, then it will be easier.

[rachael9385]

I think it would be much more beneficial for you to ask for a local moderator. You have several very active members who, if they are ready to accept responsibility, should perhaps apply for local mod positions.

We are going to later ask for a moderator, but the need for other boards (especially other discussion which is meant for off-topic) is imminent. If there is a moderator moderating that board, he will not be able to delete many of the posts which some people see as spam, because many are not spam but belonging to off-topic board. Unless the moderator just want to be harsh. It is worth mentioning that moderators have fast response to the posts that I have been reporting on the board.

Yes, I agree with what you said. I happen to be normally active on the Nigerian local board, and I also suggest that there should be some sub-boards, and after the sub-boards, a moderator should arise. The reason is not far from what you have said; there are most topics that should just be on the off-topic board, but they all just get jam packed on one single board, and if there are any moderators now, I think it's actually going to be a very stressful or confused duty for the moderator, but if there are sub-bards, then it will be easier.

I totally agree with what you both are saying, the sub-board is more important than the moderator, why because without a sub-board the moderator will only have to delete, ban or lock post and not to move to anywhere (but can still move to other boards outside the L.B) so the sub-board is more important than the moderator, we should have the sub-board first before we can be ready to have a moderator, maybe a week or more, before we can get a moderator.

[Mate2237]

I totally agree with what you both are saying, the sub-board is more important than the moderator, why because without a sub-board the moderator will only have to delete, ban or lock post and not to move to anywhere (but can still move to other boards outside the L.B) so the sub-board is more important than the moderator, we should have the sub-board first before we can be ready to have a moderator, maybe a week or more, before we can get a moderator.

I think the two are important at the time like this. Both the moderator and the sub-boards are necessary now. We need the moderator (s) to clean the board from spam and shitposts. Therefore no one is more important than the other. All the two are pressing needs in the local board. The sub-boards are to divide the discussion according to their various section but the moderator will be working from all the sub-boards to make sure that all things are okay I'm the board.

Without a Moderator the main board will still have an issue like shit bitcoin Posts and low quality post. Op your effort is great and we pray the request is granted. And Moderator can move threads from o e board to another within the local board..

[rachael9385]

I totally agree with what you both are saying, the sub-board is more important than the moderator, why because without a sub-board the moderator will only have to delete, ban or lock post and not to move to anywhere (but can still move to other boards outside the L.B) so the sub-board is more important than the moderator, we should have the sub-board first before we can be ready to have a moderator, maybe a week or more, before we can get a moderator.

I think the two are important at the time like this. Both the moderator and the sub-boards are necessary now. We need the moderator (s) to clean the board from spam and shitposts. Therefore no one is more important than the other. All the two are pressing needs in the local board. The sub-boards are to divide the discussion according to their various section but the moderator will be working from all the sub-boards to make sure that all things are okay I'm the board.

Without a Moderator the main board will still have an issue like shit bitcoin Posts and low quality post. Op your effort is great and we pray the request is granted. And Moderator can move threads from o e board to another within the local board..

However, I know that the both are so dem important but what I am trying to say is that, I don't think that we can have the both at the same time because there have been so many requests from our local board that we haven't gotten any reply ye, but we are still hoping to get positive returns from the requests, so that's why am saying the sub-board is more important for now than the moderator, maybe after the sub-board then we can talk about the moderator.
The sub-board is good and also, the moderator too is good because without the moderator the local board will be full of trash post.

[Nheer]

• Congestion. Too many threads and difficult to navigate through and topics are easily buried.
• To minimize spams: Since there is no local moderator at the moment, the child board will separate the trash, spamming and unrefined posts from the main board.

I have also noticed this in the local board, too many threads are being created recently and i noticed some are even irrelevant threads contributing nothing to the board but if these many threads are of quality and adding value to the board it would have been acceptable. Due to the absence of moderator in the board garbage posts are being made and it is making it difficult to locate good posts. I think it will be helpful if a moderator is being appointed to keep the board in check and sweep out any irrelevant or useless posts. Activities have increased recently and it is a good development for the entire forum so i hope theymos considers this request.

In addressing the issue of creation of a Sub Board I think it’s a good idea but i don’t think it is necessary just yet, maybe in the future but for now a moderator should be enough to handle things here and i think it will be best to appoint a local moderator who speaks and understands the language of the board because most post are being created using Pidgin English all through. A local moderator can easily identify spam posts.

[Makus]

Thank you Mr Agbe for bring this massive problem from our local to discuss publicly in the meta board with those members who have upper hand in this forum, it is very obvious to see that our local board is the third most active participating local board in this forum and yet we have not been receiving credits based on this hype. Mr Theymos please we need you to consider the growth of our local board and effect some changes that our local board member have brought to your table.

However, I know that the both are so dem important but what I am trying to say is that, I don't think that we can have the both at the same time because there have been so many requests from our local board that we haven't gotten any reply ye, but we are still hoping to get positive returns from the requests, so that's why am saying the sub-board is more important for now than the moderator, maybe after the sub-board then we can talk about the moderator.
The sub-board is good and also, the moderator too is good because without the moderator the local board will be full of trash post.

rachael9385 I think the two goes together when it comes to there operation, assuming the subboards have been approved, do you mean we will still go back to beg an external moderator to shuffle the posts that were missed up by their OPs? No! So the best request is to ask Mr Theymos to please give us the two, both the sub board and the local board moderator.

[Mpamaegbu]

OP, thanks for bringing this to the open. Chop knuckles 👊

[nelson4lov]

Huge thanks to Agbe for putting this proposal up. This has been in discussions in the Nigeria local community and after extensive discussions on the subject matter, we reached the agreement that this would be the best course of action for the community. When we first made the initial request for a local board, we didn't know it would grow this fast and while we're happy with the community growth, we'd really like if everything is much more organized so we can know which sub-boards to go for which discussion.

[SmartGold01]

If the board is spam, it will be muted, locked. Locals can continue their spamming before the board is locked.

Use report to report spam posts because it's responsibility of local members who ask for the local board.

The board is in English and global moderators, current moderators who can use English can moderate it. All moderators in Bitcointalk can use English well and all of them can do this.

I don't think you really read through the op correctly, because I can't see a correlation to what op is saying and to what you are posting here, do you know how hard it's to read a local pidgin english do you think you can decode it correctly if I may ask? Most times it's very hard to read pidgin if you are not a native of Nigeria and how do you think others who are not a native of Nigeria can moderate the local board if we don't actually report a post to them. Btw we are requesting for childboard which is normal thing because there are more of different topics from many angles which I know we need a new childboard to move those posts to where it belongs. Maybe next time while commenting on a post always try to read through op thoroughly before posting because you are sending a bad message over here.

[Richbased]

Some of mentioned sub-boards are not related to Bitcoin, and creating such sub-boards may increase spam discussions that are not related to Bitcoin and without a mod, I do not expect them to be approved. I suggest changing the name of the sub-board for something related to Bitcoin, and collecting +30 topics within Last 90 days, things like technical section, wallets, beginners and help.

I applaud your understanding @ hugeblack in our quest to attain more sub-boards, it is important that we should not undermine our motives of being in bitcointalk as our intentions is to promote and secure our interest on bitcoin and bitcoin related activities. So creating more sub-boards in regard to the suggestion that is being listed by @agbe and legendary charles-tim may not really be necessary, the only reason I believe the sub-board should be created is only in respect of jam packed topics and threads due to the massive growth in the Nigeria local board.

Overall, I am happy with the level of activity in the Nigerian Board and I hope they get a new mod soon. It seems like a community that is growing well and it is an opportunity to see more Africans here.

Sure, we hope to get a moderator soon as it will aid in the success of the Nigerian local board and bring Nigerians more closer to one another both by interactions and suggestions towards creating an enabling system that will be favorable to all. So we do hope for a moderator or rather moderators due to our increased growth on this forum.

[BlackBoss_]

I don't think you really read through the op correctly, because I can't see a correlation to what op is saying and to what you are posting here, do you know how hard it's to read a local pidgin english do you think you can decode it correctly if I may ask? Most times it's very hard to read pidgin if you are not a native of Nigeria and how do you think others who are not a native of Nigeria can moderate the local board if we don't actually report a post to them. Btw we are requesting for childboard which is normal thing because there are more of different topics from many angles which I know we need a new childboard to move those posts to where it belongs. Maybe next time while commenting on a post always try to read through op thoroughly before posting because you are sending a bad message over here.

Agbe discussed about many things in his post: proposal for sub-board for Nigeria; more merit sources, more source merit, discussions about spam too.

What did I do wrong in my post?
If a board is spam, very spam, admins will lock it, it's reality. I wrote that local members are responsible for what they write and discuss, not the admins.

I did not say I am against sub boards for Nigeria.

[SmartGold01]

I don't think you really read through the op correctly, because I can't see a correlation to what op is saying and to what you are posting here, do you know how hard it's to read a local pidgin english do you think you can decode it correctly if I may ask? Most times it's very hard to read pidgin if you are not a native of Nigeria and how do you think others who are not a native of Nigeria can moderate the local board if we don't actually report a post to them. Btw we are requesting for childboard which is normal thing because there are more of different topics from many angles which I know we need a new childboard to move those posts to where it belongs. Maybe next time while commenting on a post always try to read through op thoroughly before posting because you are sending a bad message over here.

Agbe discussed about many things in his post: proposal for sub-board for Nigeria; more merit sources, more source merit, discussions about spam too.

What did I do wrong in my post?
If a board is spam, very spam, admins will lock it, it's reality. I wrote that local members are responsible for what they write and discuss, not the admins.

I did not say I am against sub boards for Nigeria.

Okay.. take a look of your post

If the board is spam, it will be muted, locked. Locals can continue their spamming before the board is locked.

It seems the entire local board should be muted or locked, instead of any topic or post that is spammed should get locked. Most times our writing gives different representation but while the poster meant another thing and from here you would know why I did say your post gives another meaning.

And again op only quoted those merits source application and the increase for already merits source we had, the thing is the allocation is too minimal in a way that the available merits can't go a long way for the board within a month before running out of merits.