Is 1miau fit for DT?

[1miau]

This is not a personal issue between 1miau and I where it would end by one of us walking away, it isn't -- there is an obvious trust system abuse that need to be addressed.

If you think, it's a trust system abuse (which is a serious accusation) feel free to vote me out of DT.
If someone else thinks, it's a trust system abuse, they can do the same.

On the other hand, you can imagine that I'm not someone who'll accept any interference in my trust list compilation or my sent feedback.
Going after me personally, is what you have done repeatedly in this thread, even after there were reasonable solutions how to selttle this, showing that you have a big hate against me and that's what driving you accusations against me. You might not agree how I use trust but you have to accept it, that this is my decision. If you think that is right or wrong, you can express this by voting me out. Other can do as well if they think so.
Resorting to name-calling doesn't help anyone.
On the other hand:
I believe you are trying to dictate and "punish" me (LOL) for adding you on my distrust list and how I use the neutral trust. If you disapprove that, vote me out of DT, as I'll keep you out of my trust list because your judgement is horrible in my opinion. Everyone is entitled to make their opinion themselves.

So, let DT decide this.
The whole decision is not to us, decision is to be made by the whole DT.
Simpe solution, how DT should be working anyways.

And everyone has to accept the decision of DT and live with it.

So yes, I'm open to fullfill the suggestion from LoyceV.

100x suggested in various places and so far you have never accepted the ignore button because it does not solve the actual problem. But now it would help you here, so it is welcome

If there are accusations against me, I'll address them.

mole0815 is not the topic here. This is purely about 1miau fit for DT? and the question of what the DT system does in such cases.

When you are showing up here, mole0815, I will address this, of course.
I'm allowed to voice my opinion in a civil manner, that's not controversial.

And I almost dare to bet that the other issue (something about me or my role as a moderator) will soon get its own thread anyway.

I'm not here to cause a big drama, I'm known for bringing good contributions to Bitcointalk.  
Because I consider that causing unnecessary drama is also something, that DT will consider in their decisions.

However, I will accept either outcome what DT decides.

I could not care less if I'm DT or not. If someone doesn't like my DT position, remove me, if someone think, I'm valuable in DT, add me.
This is so simple and I'll accept either call from DT. That's how a decentralized system should be treated.

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[mikeywith]

100x suggested in various places and so far you have never accepted the ignore button because it does not solve the actual problem. But now it would help you here, so it is welcome

Exactly, he wants a free pass, he keeps accepting and proposing peace terms as if this was a personal misunderstanding between the two of us.

Now more and more people are showing up to express their opinions and tell their stories of how 1miau has punished them to satisfy his ego.

He is counting on the fact that many DT members just want to stay out of trouble and thus won't engage here or will stay neutral, but as long as we keep fighting oppression -- it will stop one day.

[1miau]

100x suggested in various places and so far you have never accepted the ignore button because it does not solve the actual problem. But now it would help you here, so it is welcome

Exactly, he wants a free pass, he keeps accepting and proposing peace terms as if this was a personal misunderstanding between the two of us.

Thanks for showing that you are not accepting any DT decision that doesn't favor your selfish outcome.
You are not the one to dictate how I have to compile my trust list and how I use DT! That's my decision, no matter if you approve it or disapprove it.
That's a decentralized DT decision and we have to accept either outcome.

If I'm removed, I'll have to accept that and we part ways to avoid drama.
If I'm not removed, you'll have to accept that and we part ways to avoid drama.
If you are removed, you'll have to accept that and we part ways to avoid drama.
If you are not removed, I'll have to accept that and we part ways to avoid drama.

That's a big part of DT to accept either outcome of the community.
Less drama, more community decision, which we have to accept.

[digaran]

@1miau, accept my condolences, from now on you will receive an updated neg trust from TL every few month or so, he is extremely sensitive about extortion.
To all other involved parties, if you have already presented your evidence, please refrain from discussing unrelated issues with this trust abuser.

After all, nobody has the right to dictate and or criticize his shady behaviour, using trust system to make up for his lack of intelligence.

Also an advice to any forum staff, please understand that you are the hands of this body, so whatever you do or say, will reflect back to this body. Stay neutral no matter what.


I bet not only 1miau will receive no red tag for being a trust abuser, but some DTs will even keep him on their trust lists. After all it's a decentralized system, right? And according to admin's quote being presented here by our "neutral" DT member, it's a political battle, but is it only between DTs? What about innocent bystanders? How can we fight in this battle if the only thing required to get on DT is a few bucks worth of trades and a few alt accounts?

That's not a battle, that's a foreplay among a few garbage posters before the orgy begins.

Some of the DT members are so corrupted that they literally don't care about any abuse and injustice, as long as it doesn't involve them.

I swear to God almighty, even if theymos comes here and says 1miau is right, 90% of DT  members will ignore the facts and move on.  Because they know nothing better, for all we know they are mostly immature teenagers with not enough experience, they just found a way to game this forum.
To all other victims, don't be afraid and speak up. (Why do I feel this just turned into hollywood where celebrities came and confessed to being sexually harassed by rich and powerful people?, except being rich here means signature campaign earnings, and powerful means being on DT, I hope we never see any sexual harassment claims).😉

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

1- He asked me to remove my positive feedback on his profile because of the political disagreement. (first red flag on his incompetence of being a DT member)  

I responded to him and told him to take it easy, I did not remove the feedback because it has nothing to do with our political disagreement, but despite all that, I just assumed that he was "mad" and the next day he would come to his senses, but I was wrong.

2- The next thing he did, he removed positive feedback he left for another forum member, a member who also commented on the same topic (who also happened to disagree with 1miau's political views.

3- He removed me from his trust list despite being on it since 2019 as far as I remember.

4- He added me to his "distrust" list.

5- He suddenly remembered to tag this user who also happened to disagree with his political views on the same topic, you could argue that his feedback was correct, but given the timing, it's an obvious retaliation, that user has been tagged since 2018, well the reference he used goes back to 2018, why tag him right after he disagrees with you on a political matter?

I was not expecting such things from any of you, especially not from 1miau. This is not the conclusion but just a start for me to go though the whole story. Once I have read everything then I may give some of my opinion but in general

[1.] Trust feedback has nothing to do with political view. If political view reflects in trust feedback then many people will not openly and freely express their political view.
[2.] The trust inclusion and exclusion also should not be based on someone's political view.

Hitler can be a villain for the history but for his people and those supported him, he was the Hero. All wars have two sides of story. You will always find the valid reasoning for the side you are in.

[1miau]

@digaran, thanks for pouring more oil into the fire!
That's always helpful in a discussion!

Hitler can be a villain for the history but for his people and those supported him, he was the Hero. All wars have two sides of story.

As a German I can tell you that this approach is, well... catastrophic.
If you read up on WWII and Hitler.

[KaosanRoad]

Please people, drop the Nazi/Racist/Hitler stuff. I doubt anyone is a Nazi here.  
You can argue and scream at each other, but calling other people a Nazi is not nice.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

As a German I can tell you that this approach is, well... catastrophic.

It proves my point either way. I used it as an example and we know it's not the topic at all. I am working on understanding everything between you two in my own way to see if mikeywith's observations are true or from a manipulated mind.

[mikeywith]

I am working on understanding everything between you two in my own way to see if mikeywith's observations are true or from a manipulated mind.

It's rather simple, 1miau is not denying any of the accusations, he simply thinks that it is perfectly fine to use the trust system (both the trust list and the feedback) for the sole purpose of expressing his political views.

Here is an example of a negative feedback he left on someone's profile

Spreading deceitful bullshit and advocating for Putler's invasion against Ukraine + expressing his support for the Russians to kill more people in Ukraine. Engagement in such criminal activity is far worse compared to scamming someone. By legitimazing the invasion, Snork1979 passively helps Putin to kill innocent Ukrainians (and Snork1979 seems to be even proud of it). This is as disgusting as it gets.

His sent feedback is full of other examples,  1miau still believes that he has the right to leave this kind of feedback, I think they are unjustified and that he should refrain from expressing his political b.s on other people's feedback pages.


It gets even worse the more you dig into his actions, the victim who contacted me privately because he was afraid of expressing his complaint in public sent me a screenshot of a conversation between him and 1miau, I can't post the exact words 1miau sent because I promised the victim not to reveal his name, but if you are interested I will send the evidence via pm, but rephrasing what 1miau sent him

"I may remove my feedback IF you stop posting your views on P&S"

The moderator of the German board has also confirmed getting PMs from victims who are afraid to express their opinion because they fear 1miau punishment, I am also sure the more we leave this topic open the more victims will come to complain.

And the root cause of all this is that 1miau thinks he is entitled to use the trust system to silence those who have a different political opinion, this would have not dragged this long if 1miau admitted that using the trust system to punish others this way is wrong, deleted all the political b.s feedback he left and promised not to do it again, but he did none of that and he still believes he has the right to all of this.

I am not trying to ruin 1miau reputation, he is doing a great job in that aspect alone anyway, I want us as a community to protect the helpless from this "hegemony", the fact that some people are afraid to post in P&S just because people like 1miau would exclude them and tag them is enough evidence that he is not using the trust system that way it should be, at least that is my opinion but if the community thinks it's perfectly fine to use the trust system the same way 1miau uses it -- then let's all agree to it.

Let's tag each other based on our political views and no one should come here to complain about getting tagged for his political views, it's either everyone gets the same privilege or nobody gets it, otherwise, this is just a broken trust system that does more harm than good to the community.

[1miau]

Neutral trust is not controversial at all like you are going to paint it here. Everyone can read up on the issue or are you the one here who's trying to stifle the right to point this out via reference links, where everyone can read up on the issue?
I think everyone is capable to make their own decision and research about this and can judge accordingly.

What you are calling "intimidate others via PM": it's not allowed to try to sort out issues via PM first before bringing the big hammer in Reputation?
You might interprete that as "intimidating" but in reality this is a chance to avoid big drama, to sort it out via PM. But we know this, some people here like the big drama, especially trolls. Keep feeding them!
Of course, we can jump right to the drama in Reputation and intimidate people here if they do something you don't like, like adding you to their distrust list, like you "punished" me for adding you there.  
Now we know that if someone will disagree with you and add you to their distrust list, they are at risk to get a slap in the face from you with a big drama in Reputation!
That's whats intimidating and punishing, not trying to solve the issue via PM!

Also read up about the abuse on the German section. I've linked the topics already, where these shitposters are involved in all sorts of abuse, yesterday.
Most of the level-headed members in the German section have given in to the abusers or are gone. Because plagiarism is not enforced, because political troll Spam is derailing the discussions on purpose, because its funny to throw the Ukrainians under the bus, because shitposting is stylish and profitable and much more and in case someone dares to criticize this, he will be met with accusations from the very same shitposters to be against their right of expression. They are always playing the victim card.
I've contacted a longtime member of the german section this morning on Telegram, linked him the discussion and he said that these folks are completely lost. I had to agree to him as he's totally right.
Of course, he doesn't want to comment in the German section anymore as any criticism of our abusers, whose feedback you can see in my feedback list, will be met with harsh force. Yet, they are playing the victim card and you are enabling them.

It's up to you if you enable proven abusers and plagiarizers on the Forum because that will destroy the forum.
Consider their lies, read up about their past abuses!

Thats why I've left the neutral feedbacks with reference links on their accounts!!!

[digaran]

I am working on understanding everything between you two in my own way to see if mikeywith's observations are true or from a manipulated mind.

But you didn't work on anything to understand my observations regarding jollygood abuse, you immediately posted and accused him of abuse and harassment, why? Because you had problems with him, right?
I wonder did you see my topic on him with the same excuses as jollygood or you saw it but just ignored it because you and 1 miau are trust buddies?
What was that you posted once? To sin is to stay silent etc, doesn't that slogan apply here, or it's good to use when it's in your interest to show everyone what a great person you are?
This community is an embarrassment because of a few abnormal individuals, the only way forward is to take swift and decisive actions, when everyone does that after seeing provable abuse, there will be no more abuse, why? Because everyone will be aware of the consequences, but now if people stay indifferent, those abusers take such inactions as a permit to keep doing it over and over.

But believe me, there will be consequences whether we take action or not.
Can someone give some candy to this childman? He thinks he is the guardian angel and without him we are doomed, I don't know how he managed to get more than 6000 merits, but after seeing the other abnormal case of someone having twice that amount, I am not surprised at all.

Weasels are masters of deception.🧐

[icopress]

After the introduction of the flag system, red feedback can serve for other "overconfident things (c)". I have always been surprised how everyone vehemently quotes the admin’s phrase in which he talks about the correct use of the feedback system, referring to “trading risks,” but everyone forgets that the feedback system was created for the community and works only thanks to it.

By the way, I am the first to leave negative feedback to this user, because I am deeply convinced that he deserves it, since his rude nationalist statements and repeated calls for the murder of other people are one of the worst things that can happen in our community. And based on this, I am convinced that if he had the opportunity to take away any material property from you or me with impunity, he would do it without any hesitation, so yes ... my tag addressed to this user will remain red, since I believe that this is more than a “trading risk”.

It's rather simple, 1miau is not denying any of the accusations, he simply thinks that it is perfectly fine to use the trust system (both the trust list and the feedback) for the sole purpose of expressing his political views.

Here is an example of a negative feedback he left on someone's profile

Spreading deceitful bullshit and advocating for Putler's invasion against Ukraine + expressing his support for the Russians to kill more people in Ukraine. Engagement in such criminal activity is far worse compared to scamming someone. By legitimazing the invasion, Snork1979 passively helps Putin to kill innocent Ukrainians (and Snork1979 seems to be even proud of it). This is as disgusting as it gets.

1- He asked me to remove my positive feedback on his profile because of the political disagreement. (first red flag on his incompetence of being a DT member)  [...]

4- He added me to his "distrust" list.

Using my own example, I can say that I asked some users at least three times to remove both neutral and positive feedback simply because I did not agree with it. And after I put forward my arguments, these feedbacks were deleted. If he asked you to do this, he probably had a reason.

The other side of the coin is that the system of checks and balances of the trust system allows you to make subjective adjustments to personal trust lists, regardless of the opinion of a particular user... moreover, this does not require anyone's permission. And if at some point 1m' stopped trusting your feedback (even if it was positive), then he had every right to do so.

Moreover... if I asked you to remove positive feedback from which I did not agree, and if you refused me... then I would definitely add you to my list of mistrust at least so that this feedback ceased to be visible to me.

5- He suddenly remembered to tag this user who also happened to disagree with his political views on the same topic, you could argue that his feedback was correct, but given the timing, it's an obvious retaliation, that user has been tagged since 2018, well the reference he used goes back to 2018, why tag him right after he disagrees with you on a political matter?

We are all human, and most of us, if not all, are quite selfish about other people's problems, so I take this situation as a "catalyst" for getting involved in this matter. And given that you mentioned that the feedback was correct, then I think there is nothing more to discuss here.

[Tiger Fist]

You couldn't care less but as we know from islamist extremists,

Who are the "we" here? It's only you.

they'll force their believes on others at any price.

Where did you get this idea? It seems you are suffering from Islamophobia.

You both should have a thick skin. Mr. mikeywith should avoided creating such a drama thread.

I saw you both were friends before this drama. Couldn't you have handled this in another way?
I have some friends from different religions, we all are friends. We don't criticize other's beliefs. Now if you want to use your power to shut their mouth, you are the abuser.

[1miau]

You couldn't care less but as we know from islamist extremists,

Who are the "we" here? It's only you.

they'll force their believes on others at any price.

Where did you get this idea? It seems you are suffering from Islamophobia.

I'm not against any religion, I'm against people abusing their religion.
Islamic extremism doesn't mean Islam.
Christianity doesn't mean "let's repeat the crusades".
But as said by mikeywith, it's not helpful to start a P&S discussion here. We have some nice replies in that topic, how P&S discussions are creating big, big drama.  
We have different believes and of course, that's very legitimate.  

[digaran]

We are all human, and most of us, if not all, are quite selfish about other people's problems, so I take this situation as a "catalyst" for getting involved in this matter. And given that you mentioned that the feedback was correct, then I think there is nothing more to discuss here.

Oh hey, nice of you to visit this topic to defend your buddy, after all, you 2 are merit-buddies, am I right?
Such a great DT1, but did mikeywith said that feedback was correct and justified? Or is that your own opinion?
What the hell, Ok, do you have any evidence of me scamming people, lying and trolling or you are just accusing me of the same? If you don't have, then you are accusing me without any evidence, expected behaviour from merit-buddies.

But let me give an example which is only understandable for normie merit-trust buddies, imagine someone is released from prison, walking on a street and talking about politics with his friends, a *police officer hears the conversation and since he disagrees with that opinion, he then goes to arrest him for the same thing he already did the time for it in prison, what is your verdict for that police officer and such a system that allows that to happen?
Enlighten us with your wisdom.
*= such police officers deserve a public and naked walk of shame and being removed from the force.

Btw, did you just say you tagged someone because they were rude nationalists? And therefore a scammer? Well you are just simply not fit to judge people, maybe you'd like to do that while you are not a DT, to see if anyone cares about your feed back.

[mikeywith]

After the introduction of the flag system, red feedback can serve for other "overconfident things (c)".

Who decides that?

but everyone forgets that the feedback system was created for the community and works only thanks to it

That is the issue, it works for some and doesn't for others, it certainly does not work for the person who has to trade his freedom of expression to avoid the feedback from 1miau, if I were to be selfish and look at my own status and stop there, well great, the trust system works perfectly, but when I get PMs from people telling me they are afraid to even talk about 1miau or else they would lose their signature campaign income or ability to trade -- it sure doesn't work.

We are all human, and most of us, if not all, are quite selfish about other people's problems, so I take this situation as a "catalyst" for getting involved in this matter. And given that you mentioned that the feedback was correct, then I think there is nothing more to discuss here.

Just for the record, I did not mention that the feedback was correct, in fact, I highly agree with nutildah take on this issue.

I'm of the opinion that people shouldn't be negged today for 5-year-old offenses, especially if they already have a negative (or more than one) for the offense.

1miau also admitted that he gave him a pass before, but only decided to tag him right after his political opinion was made public, had digaran not expressed his political opinion 1miau's would have not given him that feedback.


Since you are a campaign manager, let me ask you something (a question to all campaign managers), if someone had negative feedback from 1miau for being pro-Russian or a Pro-puerto Rican for that matter, applied to a campaign you run, would you even consider looking at his post quality with that negative feedback?

I am asking because I strongly believe that the signature campaign is the backbone of all this, the vast majority of forum members don't trade, but almost everyone wants to be in a signature campaign.

I think we could spare the forum at least 90% of the trust system drama if ALL campaign managers start evaluating participants only based on post quality with no consideration for feedback, this way nobody will be afraid of expressing their opinion on any subject, because the current system is directly tied to money, people have to keep their mouth shut to earn some BTC, otherwise, I am sure many people would not bother having negative feedback from 1maiu for example as long as they can still participate in signature campaigns, and ya 1miau (for instance) gets to satisfy his ego by painting every profile he dislikes and probably nobody would complain about it.

But until that happens, being a DT member means you have a lot of power, enough power to dictate who gets to make money and who does not, and as long as someone has that much power -- it's no longer a matter of " it's up to me to exclude, or tag people for things that I personally see fit".

[Timelord2067]

What a car crash this thread has become since I last logged in last night.


I'll wait a few days, but it's looking more like the subject of this thread will be Tildaed by me because of their inaccurate trust feedbacks.

Same as the other two I've expressed concern over this month (TSC and Yahoo) whose own trust feedbacks are inaccurate / spiteful etc .

[yahoo62278]

If I'm removed, I'll have to accept that and we part ways to avoid drama.
If I'm not removed, you'll have to accept that and we part ways to avoid drama.
If you are removed, you'll have to accept that and we part ways to avoid drama.
If you are not removed, I'll have to accept that and we part ways to avoid drama.

After reading this I want to be up front and sat that I decided to ~ both of you for the time being. It's been 3 days and 5 pages of back n forth drama between you 2 with noone backing down or trying to come to a suitable outcome and end the drama. Both of you just seem intent on proving your points without resolving anything.

I do not dislike either of you, nor do I want to see this continue. IMO DT needs to be more rational and open to change as well as level headed and fair. Neither of you 2 are being this right now. Just a bunch of i'm right, no i'm right bs.

I hope you guys work it out at some point, but that's not looking like it'll happen. Might be time to ignore each other and go on with life.

What a car crash this thread has become since I last logged in last night.


I'll wait a few days, but it's looking more like the subject of this thread will be Tildaed by me because of their inaccurate trust feedbacks.

Same as the other two I've expressed concern over this month (TSC and Yahoo) whose own trust feedbacks are inaccurate / spiteful etc .

Do what you need to do. I'm ok in or out of DT.

[digaran]

but when I get PMs from people telling me they are afraid to even talk about 1miau or else they would lose their signature campaign income or ability to trade -- it sure doesn't work.

Shouldn't whistleblowers have some kind of immunity from at least the accused ones? But the problem is sometimes they have some misdeeds from their past which makes it difficult to blow the whistle, but if they could get amnesty, then I'm sure we could see a lot better and healthier community without these viruses infecting it.
Btw, why is Tl comes and goes every few hours like commercial breaks? You know since nobody cares or even watch them.😅
@yahoo, did mikeywith tag someone unfairly for stupid reasons? If not why would you remove him? Because he is doing the right thing? 

[yahoo62278]

@yahoo, did mikeywith tag someone unfairly for stupid reasons? If not why would you remove him? Because he is doing the right thing? 

The right thing or the wrong thing has nothing to do with this. 3 days man. 3 days and both are defending their position with no end in sight. Be level headed, hit the ignore, and move on or take it private, either option is better than keeping the argument going.