Is 1miau fit for DT?

[yahoo62278]

1miau might be taking a break as suggested earlier and is letting people read and make a decision. Let's say many people dislike the behavior he has been accused of, that doesn't mean he would need to leave the forum at all. He just needs to change the way he interacts in certain instances. Not use red trust as a tool. Nothing more. You're only kicked out of DT forever if you are constantly leaving bad feedbacks and unwilling to change. We are all learning daily, if you aren't you prob aren't trying to.

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[d5000]

Imagine how many good members have left, stopped posting or worse, got inappropriate negative trust feedback because of 1miau's tirades, or how many have received negative labels that maybe they did not actually deserve?

I didn't want to add more to this drama, but this sentence deserves a comment:

I've searched through 1miau's (quite numerous) negative trust entries to other forum members and I saw only two which are not related to scams or other Bitcoin-related illegal/questionable activity. One of them is a very recent one to digaran, probably related to this thread (and thus perhaps could be reverted if they calm down both), and the other one went to Snork1979 and is actually the only one caused by a disagreement over (RL) politics, as they accused Snork1979 of Putin propaganda (this case was already discussed here earlier).

There is some neutral feedback that could be questionable but neutral feedback does generally not have negative consequences for these users, neither has adding a ~ to their username in the trust network. So in general, while I repeat that I myself would not use the trust mechanism in this way, I don't see major abuses.

Perhaps 1miau could take back these two negative trust entries (even if I probably agree with them with their opinion about Snork1979 but I don't speak Russian) and convert them to neutral, and delete some entries in this thread written probably in anger (for example the unexplainably harsh attack on mole0815). Not much really questionable behaviour would be left. As I already said I agree generally with their quite harsh-looking, but often justified actions against low-quality posting.

[icopress]

The OP may have been right about some things, but now it has turned into a witch hunt as I clearly see that all 1miau’s ill-wishers have run into this thread and are trying to scream as loudly as possible. If 1miau leaves the forum it will be a big loss for the forum (btw, he told me that he is leaving the campaign).

[...] Perhaps 1miau could take back these two negative trust entries (even if I probably agree with them with their opinion about Snork1979 but I don't speak Russian) and convert them to neutral, and delete some entries in this thread written probably in anger (for example the unexplainably harsh attack on mole0815). Not much really questionable behaviour would be left. As I already said I agree generally with their quite harsh-looking, but often justified actions against low-quality posting.

Yes, but it doesn't matter since he wasn't the first to give these two users negative feedback. In addition, I am deeply convinced that if we, as a self-sufficient community, adhere to the views of 1 person, then nothing good will end. I wouldn't want this place to turn into a marginal cesspool.

After the introduction of the flag system, red feedback can serve for other "overconfident things (c)". I have always been surprised how everyone vehemently quotes the admin’s phrase in which he talks about the correct use of the feedback system, referring to “trading risks,” but everyone forgets that the feedback system was created for the community and works only thanks to it.

By the way, I am the first to leave negative feedback to this user, because I am deeply convinced that he deserves it, since his rude nationalist statements and repeated calls for the murder of other people are one of the worst things that can happen in our community. And based on this, I am convinced that if he had the opportunity to take away any material property from you or me with impunity, he would do it without any hesitation, so yes ... my tag addressed to this user will remain red, since I believe that this is more than a “trading risk”.

[mikeywith]

but neutral feedback does generally not have negative consequences for these users

Will you be fine with a neutral feedback on your profile that says " d5000 is a shit poster, low value member who supports x country" , based on your logic -- that should be fine, or am i missing something? I could be wrong, but i think anyone looking at such feedback will think of and treat you differently with and without such feedback, i find it hard to believe that just because the text is in gray/black instead of red -- it means it has no effect.

Also if someone truly thinks it has no effect , i.e it is 100% useless , why waste time using it? The fact that people use it -- they know for sure it would be seen, if it can be seen it will always have an impact regadless of the text color or the naming.

 

, but now it has turned into a witch hunt as I clearly see that all 1miau’s ill-wishers have run into this thread and are trying to scream as loudly as possible.

Do you think that there are no victims here at all? All are made up stories and fake PMs trying to hurt 1miau for no valid reason?
Or, are you saying that some of them are but not all?

~1miau is my final take.
It took me a few days to check the development. There are no point to add anything which could worsen the crisis.

Good to see you finally took the right action, and came to see that this was not a personal issue between him and I, tho I find it amusing how he managed to convince / manipulate many readers into thinking that this is a personal fight between 1miau and mikeywith and not 1miau abuse.

some were even asking to shake hands and move on, i think his tactic was to attack me, this way things would seem like "personal", and then get a few fellow DT friends to come here and comment about how great of a DT user he is " you can see them in the comments", this way any one reading this mess would think oh, some DT folks here support 1miau, this is a personal issue between the two of them, no abuse, lets move on.

So ya it takes courage and desire to seek the truth, otherwise someone could possibly be manipulated by 1miau mind games if they are not paying enough attention.


 

[MinoRaiola]

The OP may have been right about some things, but now it has turned into a witch hunt as I clearly see that all 1miau’s ill-wishers have run into this thread and are trying to scream as loudly as possible. If 1miau leaves the forum it will be a big loss for the forum (btw, he told me that he is leaving the campaign).

This witch hunt would never exist if he hadnt done so many things wrong in the last 3 years. What you are reading here is perhaps only a small part of what really happened and it is very important that this is finally said and that it stops. The German board has tried it over the last years, it didnt help, it got worse. Some users may no longer be here because of him, that is not okay and it has to stop. So much time and anger has grown on him, he didnt understand and now has to deal with it. Karma will fix it - this is how it works.

I also remember a time before Corona, it was much better. Only he himself can decide whether it will be like this again.

There is some neutral feedback that could be questionable but neutral feedback does generally not have negative consequences for these users, neither has adding a ~ to their username in the trust network. So in general, while I repeat that I myself would not use the trust mechanism in this way, I don't see major abuses.

You probably know him from a time before Corona and it was valuable to have such users in a forum with freedom of expression. But you also know that it has been unpleasant in recent years and he has repeatedly attacked the community.

3 years the German part of the forum has put up with his actions and I had predicted what is happening now. Good that you want to defend him, but the evidence is extreme and there is still a lot missing - we havent seen it all.

[mole0815]

I gladly agree with some of the previous speakers and appreciate the majority of 1miau's contributions.
Top-notch expertise, but unfortunately overshoots the mark or exaggerates on topics such as corona, war and, for example, denglish - and does so repeatedly and deliberately!

And no, I don't want to get rid of 1miau, nor do I want to scare him off or pillory him. For me, this is about some of the points raised in the OP and that needs to be clarified in the long term.
Otherwise all the effort here (and in the past) would have been in vain and we would all like to have a proper basis for our shared hobby (BTC) in the future.

Unfortunately, the thread has become very confusing and if you haven't followed it from the beginning, it's also difficult to keep an overview.
It would certainly help if mikeywith created an overview (as already started here) as briefly and concisely but as complete as possible (and linked in the OP) so that the information stays together.

For me, bitcointalk stands for freedom of expression/speech.
It would be against it if we tolerate censoring different opinions.
Whether by feedback, trust, "report to moderator", subliminally wrapped up in other topics or addressed openly and directly.

THAT is the issue. And if all this had not happened in the small German-speaking area but in a more prominent place in the forum, the issue would have been clarified X months (even years) ago, but it has now taken a little longer for it to be addressed here.
It doesn't only concern 1miau but in this thread it does and therefore it almost looks like a witch hunt - but in my opinion it shouldn't become one.

Whether trust, neutral or distrust is of course up to you.
It needs to be clarified in the long term and I think 1miau will probably wait for this decision before he speaks up again.

Do you like discussing? Then an internet forum is just the thing for you! Forum actually refers to a place where people come together - for example, to discuss issues.

In an Internet forum, every visitor can publish posts on a specific topic or write replies to such posts.
These are then commented on by others - creating a real discussion.

Source: https://www.internet-abc.de/kinder/lexikon/f/forum/

Different opinions and views are part and parcel of a discussion.
If you try to prevent that in any way whatsoever, that's not okay! That's the point!

[Koal-84]

My guess is that he will have made a lot of decisions together with him. I think Im a very good example of the fact that I was attacked by both of them. I never had anything to do with him before and suddenly he is fighting against me? This is not normal and we could think about creating a new thread in the future "Is GazetaBitcoin fit for DT?“ Or was he manipulated and has now seen that he acted wrongly? That would be better.

I am definitely not in favour of this, then we would be doing the same thing and making a personal attack on another member. I replied to bullrun's post that it is the same for me and for me the matter is settled.

I always wonder when I see such meta problems deriving in such drama but whatever. Let's talk more about Bitcoin instead

That's exactly how it is and it would be a shame if he resigned completely, meow also had expertise in Bitcoin and blockchain but he couldn't stop insisting on his "right" opinion for himself personally since Corona and wanted to discredit members who thought differently in a free opinion forum.

The OP may have been right about some things, but now it has turned into a witch hunt as I clearly see that all 1miau’s ill-wishers have run into this thread and are trying to scream as loudly as possible. If 1miau leaves the forum it will be a big loss for the forum (btw, he told me that he is leaving the campaign).

For me, the topic was already closed if I was not marked here, and after reading bullrun's post I only commented that it was the same for me. The rest is history for me, but you can still point out verbal outbursts and untruths in the Trust posts.  

[digaran]

.... (and thus perhaps could be reverted if they calm down both),......

.....but neutral feedback does generally not have negative consequences for these users.....

Good thing he found me, otherwise he was laughing at his victims while posting, getting merits, getting paid. He thought of me as a doormat, "oh look there is digaran, he just said something I dislike, let me introduce my boots to his face, nobody cares, after all HE ALREADY got several tags" he mistook a land mine with a doormat.

Well, he was wrong, dictators are always wrong, and they run into hiding when they are defeated, hitler is the most infamous example.
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His neutral feedback is a subtle extortion method, it says "I'm in charge, watch your tone or else...."
@icopress, you are lucky you are a victim of an unjust war along with your nation, otherwise I would have shown you "admin's quote, where he says don't tag people for their ideas and political opinions or their opinions in general", since you want to be a soldier and adhere to the commands of your commander.


"Friends", look here :

Old feedbacks are not on the table as they are a thing of the past and otherwise DT would have removed me, which didn't happen

What am I doing, of course you agree with this parasite, I meant the other friends.


Point being, nobody needs to be told what to do, if 1miau or anyone wants to do as they please, great, but do it as a normal member, not when you are on DT, because then we all know nobody gives a single sat about your opinions.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Good to see you finally took the right action, and came to see that this was not a personal issue between him and I, tho I find it amusing how he managed to convince / manipulate many readers into thinking that this is a personal fight between 1miau and mikeywith and not 1miau abuse.

I was in a fence to think it was a personal problem between you two but when I was seeing more cases which were coming from other members then I had to look deeper.

Feedback and DT inclusion/exclusion are not meant to use for agreement and disagreement. When one is using it for disagreement then it automatically risk the free speech. Other side will be always worried for their forum reputation [feedback page and DT voting status] before making a post against someone who do not share the same view [political or even general].

[nullCoiner]

I can not remain silent, so i have to do this single trollfeed, which I already regret.

It couldn't be more personal, just read the title.
It is shameful and inexcusable how 1miau is treated here in this personal bs crusade, and this is not the first attempt. really folks Hitler comparisons and telling icopress to be lucky of being victim of war?  and saying 1miau is a parasite? who is being political and insulting?

@mole0815 you now i respect you and the way you do your chosen work here, but this time, this is just wrong to defame something in public in such a way, even if 1miau should think again about some of it's decisions...

[Unknown01]

The OP may have been right about some things, but now it has turned into a witch hunt as I clearly see that all 1miau’s ill-wishers have run into this thread and are trying to scream as loudly as possible. If 1miau leaves the forum it will be a big loss for the forum (btw, he told me that he is leaving the campaign).

What is your alternative suggestion? No consequences for all these years? As we said, many people from the german board are no longer active because of him, so you don't care about these people?

And just because more and more people are coming forward doesn't mean it's a witch hunt. So you want people to not come forward and be quiet?

I don't think you have any bad intentions, but you're just trying to trivialize bad actions and defend a bad person who you believe is a good one (he is good to people who agree with him)

There were other people who had a different opinion about Corona or other political topics, including much more valuable persons like qwk, but we were able to talk and discuss objectively without him insulting me or others or threatening us with consequences. The alternative was possible but 1miau never wanted it. Only his opinion counts and every other opinion must be destroyed - that is his wish.

[mole0815]

@mole0815 you now i respect you and the way you do your chosen work here, but this time, this is just wrong to defame something in public in such a way, even if 1miau should think again about some of it's decisions...

I have only provided the requested/required evidence.

No more and no less.
The respective author is responsible for the rest of the statements made here.

I have never used these words in this way and never would... so I don't know why it is being presented in this way.

[digaran]

I can not remain silent, so i have to do this single trollfeed, which I already regret.

It couldn't be more personal, just read the title.
It is shameful and inexcusable how 1miau is treated here in this personal bs crusade, and this is not the first attempt. really folks Hitler comparisons and telling icopress to be lucky of being victim of war?  and saying 1miau is a parasite? who is being political and insulting?

@mole0815 you now i respect you and the way you do your chosen work here, but this time, this is just wrong to defame something in public in such a way, even if 1miau should think again about some of it's decisions...

You broke silent? Great, you are unhappy about my opinion regarding 1miau and icopress who have both tagged people for political opinions? Great.

But did you use your DT tag to call me a scammer, liar and a troll? If you do that, we'd have the same issue.

You can open a topic on P&S to discuss politics, not using trust feedback like they do, but if you disagree with what I suggest and think it's OK to tag people for politics related stuff? Well we are here to understand that if everyone also agrees and thinks the same way.

Because you know, I might one day say hey instead of hello, and that could be percieved as a political disagreement  to warrant a negative trust.  We wanna prepare ourselves for such a community.

We wanna know where to draw a line, now we know, where your line is, you were silent and indifferent to miau abuses and DT manipulations because you didn't care, but now you care because I said something you didn't like.

Do I have a problem with that line? Of course I do, but as long as you don't base your reasons for trust feedback on that line, I don't care.

As I already said, I can't give a single sat for someone calling me a scammer and a liar.

[d5000]

Yes, but it doesn't matter since he wasn't the first to give these two users negative feedback.

I meant this proposal more as a sign of goodwill from 1miau, not that these users don't deserve this kind of feedback. Maybe if he does this he has a slight chance to return to DT1, making his anti-scam trust entries more visible again.

(Edit: Alternative: Other DT1 members could "clone" 1miau's scam-related trust entries, so they stay visible.)

Will you be fine with a neutral feedback on your profile that says " d5000 is a shit poster, low value member who supports x country" , based on your logic -- that should be fine, or am i missing something?.

Trust in the decentralized way it's used here is a bit like a personal opinion, so I read it as "user X thinks that user Y is Z", not "user Y is Z". Post history of all users is publicly available too, and gives often some insights why these neutral trusts may have been sent. Everybody who does a significant business decision (e.g. trading significant amounts of coins with an user, accepting them into a campaign etc.) should check both.

And the shitposting issue is definitively one where I'm on 1miau's side. The forum is still a great place of debate about Bitcoin. But it has suffered a lot due to this issue, and I'm thankful for everybody willing to invest the time to fight it.

Do you think that there are no victims here at all?

Indeed I don't see really a "victim" here. There were heated discussions and personal opinions left (as neutral trust entries). Things that happen on the internet every second. I do however acknowledge that 1miau does sometimes discuss in an aggressive way and even may behave unfairly (like in his attack here to mole0815), but who can say that he never did that? Those who really got engaged with him in these OT discussions often were not exactly Mother Theresa too - many of them have/had extreme right-wing opinions and/or adhere to conspiracy theories and were also quite aggressive in their discussion style too. In several cases I could perfectly understand why 1miau got angry. Not in all though, but people are different. (And yes, I've followed some of these discussions, mostly passively.)

@MinoRaiola: So you think that's only 1miau's fault that threads like those about Corona and the Ukraine war got closed? What about Blitzfontaene etc. (very aggressive German anti-vaxx user for those who don't know)? I think there were always two sides who contributed to this heated atmosphere. I think some of his attacks on people like you, mole0815 or thandie (or even me ) were not justified but probably written in anger due to other contributors the same day/week.

[digaran]

and telling icopress to be lucky of being victim of war?  and saying 1miau is a parasite? who is being political and insulting?

Ok, now I get it why you got mad, I never said you are lucky to be a victim as in you deserve it or deserve worse than that. No. First time I saw a tank shooting at civilian buildings, I realized rasputin has lost his mind and should go through a naked walk of shame.
But I never had any discussions with any of them, Now if we had old grudges, me and miau and I orchestrate a witch  hunt to get back at him, you could blame me, I never had any interactions with him, he started it.

And if he had removed his tag on me, then all his victims and future victims could never be truly free of his dictatorship and manipulation tactics.

You can't paint me as evil, anyways I don't know what left or right fried wings means and don't care, but if you want to discuss politics and know my opinions, I will give them to you, in P&S board, I doubt however you could digest them or even understand them. My political opinion is called "restart".
If 1miau DT supporters think that in time everything will cool down, especially after all the mockery and insults, think again.

I have been here for a year now, I didn't mess with anyone, they started it, if they wanted war, well I strive for it. I can take on all of you abusers, bring it on.

[MinoRaiola]

@MinoRaiola: So you think that's only 1miau's fault that threads like those about Corona and the Ukraine war got closed? What about Blitzfontaene etc. (very aggressive German anti-vaxx user for those who don't know)? I think there were always two sides who contributed to this heated atmosphere. I think some of his attacks on people like you, mole0815 or thandie (or even me ) were not justified but probably written in anger due to other contributors the same day/week.

There are always two to a discussion and in a forum can quickly turn into many, and there are usually two sides. Thats what happened in this thread: good vs bad?

That you are now defending him is a okay and now put yourselves in our position, we have been doing this for many years. All are welcome to discuss opinions and show your passion, but why didnt he call for help (except maybe from you). Why didnt he ask us? Why did he want to extortion and will manipulate us?

If he had honestly asked for help, I would have been one of the first to support him and I am sure that almost everyone else in the German local would have done the same. There is a great example of how we helped Real-Duke together. A lot can be done if we want to.

But I will fight for justice as best I can, Im not just doing it here with a few words, I doing it almost all my life and I hope I can do it until the end.

[Beobachter_90]

I have solved the Problem with @1miau. I use the "Ignore" Button. It's Not possible to discuss with him.
There is only one opinion and that is his.

It's so bad that a lot of old members left Bitcoin Talk because of one member.

[suchmoon]

Now that I'm just thinking about it... A long time ago I seem to recall that I reviewed suchmoon's trust feedbacks which were full of post-it note style vitriol of anyone their gang didn't approve of and hence they (suchmoon) deserves a Tilda along with the three mentioned in this thread. (Plus the one running a protection racket)

I don't understand most of this rant but one thing that I vehemently agree with is that if you don't trust my judgement (in this thread or anywhere else) you should, no, you must most definitely do the tilde on me and it will solve all your problems forever.


That is applicable to this drama as well. All of those fanning the flames, just tilde 1miau, the OP, or both, how hard can it be. It's not like any argument you make here can possibly change anyone's opinion - look in the mirror and honestly tell yourself that you're open to changing your opinion. Thought so.

How does the forum works & how should the forum work according to whom? Satoshi? Have you speak with him in person how the forum should work 2023? Or is it just a fantasy you and your friends have created?
And when someone opposes you and your friends way of using the forum, why cant you just accept it and do move on with your life's? I don't try to create anything, it's a serious question.
How should this forum works and who have the right to make those rules today? Why cant just people use in in the way it fits their day and we all be happy with that without using drama and feedback and hate against each other?
Think about this for a bit.... you own this forum as little as a newbie register next week. Everyone is only guests here, even you. All this is a fantasy, one day this website will shut down, so enjoy your time here instead of arguing how people should use the forum. Be positive instead of negative, I promise you, you will have so much more fun.  

LOL what a moronic rant... it's not "my way of using the forum". There are objective facts how e.g. trust system or merit works, and those things didn't even exist when satoshi was still around. Nowadays dimwits like you and TL like to make shit up as if said shit has the same weight as facts. It doesn't. Fucking participation trophy generation.

[digaran]

So, after seeing that people are showing interest to red tag or create flag for another user doing the same as 1miau did, I would like to mention he cancelled 3 ongoing competitions and no longer is honoring what he promised to pay. So if anyone who was a participant in those competitions wants compensation and feels they were kind of scammed by 1miau, you should wait to see if anyone creates or tags symmetrick for the same breach of contract or not, then you could go ahead and do the same.

Why I say wait? To see if people can be forgiving or not, however you have the rights to do it right now, but forgiving is also an option.

Here are the 3 events :
 this, this and this one).

[1miau]

1miau might be taking a break as suggested earlier and is letting people read and make a decision.

Yes, after a few days off, it’s always better to find a solution and despite all the disagreements with my neutral trusts, I’m here to address it.

So, after seeing that people are showing interest to red tag or create flag for another user doing the same as 1miau did, I would like to mention he cancelled 3 ongoing competitions

These are my voluntary, private giveaways, which I've been running every year as a community contribution. I've been far too generous instead of ill-seeking trolls like you. It's my giveaway, if someone doesn't like free Bitcoin, don't participate. I'm handling the funds as it's my giveaway. No giveaway was concluded and the return of all sponsoring funds, was discussed and settled with funds being send back.


First, many thanks for those, who tried to explain the situation on the German board, why I’ve left these neutral ratings.

It happened quite frequently, that threads in the German board were derailed on purpose by those, who have caught a neutral trust back then. And these neutral trusts are very important for readers to get an impression before interacting with these people, that every reader can make up his own opinion.
The abuses were quite severe because repeatedly, they’ve trolled with blunt lies even after the remaining members had debunked them. Anyone who dared to criticize the massive trolling was accused of "oppression", like these spammers are still calling it today but the reality is that our trolls can’t face any criticism without crying "oppression".

They just want to spread their propaganda without getting exposed as lies and getting called out for doing that.
That’s what they want and of course I will use my right for free speech to debunk that and call them out for spreading lies.
It’s not my problem that they were not ready for criticism.

So, our trolls are the ones who were always trying to prevent our spot-on criticism against their lies. Because it exposed their lies.

And these abusers in question did that derailing, lying and trolling again, again and again, despite some warnings from the moderation in the early days.
Quite a few members called out our trolls back then for their derailing, but unfortunately, some of these sane members have left the board, while a whole bunch of these abusers is still around.
Annoyed from the drama and despite the obvious lies from our trolls, the trolls were successful to trick the German moderator into doing little to nothing, sometimes a few weak warnings, when the derailing was too much. But overally, the trolls always tried to push the boundaries to their benefit. Of course, we pushed back, with criticism, with exposing their lies and neutral trust if there was any documented abuse.

We called for the moderator to sort out the issue and to do the moderation job. Even Nazi sympathizing gained traction or, legitimizing the war of Russia against Ukraine and spreading proven lies, of course. The trolls tried to derail our criticism by posting the same lies, re-phrased, again and again. But our feedback to take action against this was not heard.
Even later, plagiarism was covered up and even clear rule violation posts were ignored.
Of course, that emboldened the trolls. And they are now taking the chance to get rid of the consequences they got back then. 

At some point, we have to ask, if such misbehaiour is really beneficial for Bitcointalk or if the community should be able to push back and add a simple neutral trust for this mixture of lies, propaganda, trolling, derailing, shitposting and other things, where neutral trust is appropriate.
I believe, yes, it’s possible.
Neutral trust is completely fine for such things, it’s not negative, if there’s no abuse involved, where a negative trust is deserved. Neutral trust is “hey, before any interaction, you might be interested to read this, here’s a reference link”. 
That’s a very uncontroversial neutral trust in my opinion.
And DT will approve or disapprove that.

Of course, I will also PM certain abusers before opening a topic in Reputation to avoid more drama, if that drama can be avoided. Or should I slap them the topic directly in their face, without any heads-up, like mikeywith did here?

No need for me to be on DT, I believe in a truly decentralized system, where no one is able to dictate, which neutral trust ratings are acceptable or not. If other members are getting legitimized to interfere how other members are allowed to give out neutral trusts, our trolls will start new witch hunts again and again, terrorizing DT members.
And mikeywith is clearly doing this, without backing down from his initial claims, that I would have to remove all past feedbacks of the sort explained above AND for new feedbacks (and if there are new feedbacks, there would be the same witch-hunt again).
Let the whole community decide if they want to have these neutral feedbacks visible by default or not.

To address some of the abuses, where a legitimate neutral trust was given, without doubt:


MinoRaiola

MinoRaiola is a known plagiarizer, getting caught already in 3 cases (probably, there’s even more).
MinoRaiola is a known shitposter, also defending his shitposter friends.
MinoRaiola was caught to circle positive trust for no reason with his pal Unknown01 to bolster their accounts in signature campaigns.
That’s why MinoRaiola deserves his neutral trust.


Unknown01

Unknown01 is an excessive shitposter in our local German section.
He got even a reprimand:

@Unknown01, you make many posts like these:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1336682.msg57014417#msg57014417
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1336682.msg57014702#msg57014702
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269042.msg57008252#msg57008252
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=628413.msg57004830#msg57004830
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5312941.msg57003942#msg57003942

All of the above are (to me) hard to conisder as constructive posts. One liners, without quoting or seemingly addressing anyone in the thread and ending in a smiley (which to me makes it look even more like a one-liner).
I'd like to think I have been very consistent with how I count posts in all of my campaigns, not to mention lenient.


Most of my clients will often ask me why I accept/count local board posts and I always fight for you guys, to let you keep posting in local boards and getting paid for it. Just needs to be more compelling and we're all good, you guys know I love the german subs!

My reminders to apply a high posting quality have been met with aggressive name-calling, crybaby excuses and defamations (see the neutral feedbacks on his account).
Unknown01 was caught to circle positive trust for no reason with his pal MinoRaiola to bolster their accounts in signature campaigns.
That’s why Unknown01 deserved his neutral trust.

It's no surprise, we can find even more, when we are digging. For everyone who wants to make his own opinion, you can read the trust feedbacks and click the reference link. That’s why I’ve always included a reference link for every reader to make DYOR.
These liars and their enablers might show up here and tell you anything. All the feedbacks have a reference link, where everyone can read up the truth himself. The links above are a great start for the abuses, MinoRaiola and Unknown01 are involved in.


Another issue is paid shitposting.
Signature campaigns are somehow a problem causing this but I believe the real problem are greedy shitposters and I’ve been ready to call them out. Unfortunately, when there are too many of these, they will take revenge at some point. I’ve left them neutral trust ratings, that everyone can read up on the issue and make up his own opinion, so everyone will be aware of some of them.

Now, that they are seeing the witch hunt launched by mikeywith here, they will gladly join to score some cheap points.
Like mikeywith, they are obsessed to throw with dirt.

Just to address the last accusations.

Luckily, the situation had calmed down on the German board over the last year a bit.
I'm not so sure if that will stay like that after the recent discord.
But let's hope so.


I’ve left the [banned mixer] signature campaign as well to give other members a chance to join as I will reduce my time here on Bitcointalk for now and I don’t want to block this spot.


Regarding a possible solution:

The last time, I’ve already made massive concessions regarding future trust feedbacks.

To find a suitable solution, I’m also willing to review all of my trust feedbacks in question.
But I’ll decide which ones will stay and which ones will get removed. That’s already a massive concession since I believe, that trust interference is setting a very dangerous precedent, as described above.

So, I’m crossing my red line both in future feedbacks and also in past feedbacks. I’ve done my part here to find a solution, also for future "abuses", where anyone can complain here but if there’s not enough controversy for these presented "cases" of my new, neutral trust feedbacks, these people will expose their true, malicious intentions.