Royse777 will not pay anyone for the last week /Sinbad campaign/

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

Why Royse can't send all funds into a mixer,
mix it,
get untainted funds again
distribute remaining last week /Sinbad campaign/?

and send all remaining funds to a Bitcointalk faucet where each Bitcointalk member can get a little bit of it?

Yes that can also work. If he can send the funds to a mixer and mix the coins and send them to another Bitcoin address and use that address to pay the last week participants of Sinbad because they work for it though the campaign is no more.

But don't you think wouldn't that be implicatory? That is, I mean to use a coin/address that have already been marked stained by the U.S government, which was also the main reason for the seizure of Sinbad to be on another Mixer? Don't you think by so doing, you are likely drag that mixer to be marked as related to fraud by the U.S law enforcement agency, and seize just the same way Sinbad was seized?. Because to me, I think it will be best if this whole issue is left to die by forgetting this whole scenario, because it will be more wise for it's campaign participants to let go of this fund, rather than accept it, and end up implicating themselves with a stained wallet address, hence paying a huge sum if charged to court.

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[Bounty Bro]

Why Royse can't send all funds into a mixer,
mix it,
get untainted funds again
distribute remaining last week /Sinbad campaign/?

and send all remaining funds to a Bitcointalk faucet where each Bitcointalk member can get a little bit of it?

Yes that can also work. If he can send the funds to a mixer and mix the coins and send them to another Bitcoin address and use that address to pay the last week participants of Sinbad because they work for it though the campaign is no more.

But don't you think wouldn't that be implicatory? That is, I mean to use a coin/address that have already been marked stained by the U.S government, which was also the main reason for the seizure of Sinbad to be on another Mixer? Don't you think by so doing, you are likely drag that mixer to be marked as related to fraud by the U.S law enforcement agency, and seize just the same way Sinbad was seized?. Because to me, I think it will be best if this whole issue is left to die by forgetting this whole scenario, as it will be more wise if all it's campaign participants could let go of this fund, rather than accept a stained coin that will implicate them.

According to BlackHatCoiner, we need to treat each coin equally, no matter if a coin has been tainted or not.
His statement:

What do you think the merchants that receive funds from you marked to be from a mixer and possibly even from criminal activity think?

I think that we either treat each coin equally or this whole concept falls apart. Every coin is potentially originating from criminal activity.

For me, campaign payment coins are clearly tainted. But a centralized mixer is designed to un-taint coins. It is, why centralized mixers have been created.

We have different options:

Option 1:
Apply BlackHatCoiner statement and treat every coin equal; say no coin is tainted

Option 2:
Assume coins are tainted,
send it to a mixer,
mix it
get untainted funds again
distribute remaining last week /Sinbad campaign/?

and send all remaining funds to a Bitcointalk faucet where each Bitcointalk member can claim a little bit of it.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

We have different options:

Option 1:
Apply BlackHatCoiner statement and treat every coin equal; say no coin is tainted

Option 2:
Assume coins are tainted,
send it to a mixer,
mix it
get untainted funds again
distribute remaining last week /Sinbad campaign/?

and send all remaining funds to a Bitcointalk faucet where each Bitcointalk member can claim a little bit of it.

You don't fuck around with the big boys. They are not stupid as you think. I see the main problem is the address that is holding the payment has been marked already. When you move coins from a marked address you are likely risking the mixer too that will receive the coins.

It's easy to say there is no tainted coins, but the reality is different.

I fear some day they will start telling us, all coins are tainted. Fu*k this shit!

[LoyceV]

I think that we either treat each coin equally or this whole concept falls apart. Every coin is potentially originating from criminal activity.

For me, campaign payment coins are clearly tainted.

It's a bit more complicated than that: when I receive cash euros, I don't have to worry about how they were previously used. But if you know the money comes from something illegal, you shouldn't get involved.
Maybe it's a bit like "aiding and abetting": it's totally fine to help someone, unless you know he's involved in a crime.

[notblox1]

It's a bit more complicated than that: when I receive cash euros, I don't have to worry about how they were previously used. But if you know the money comes from something illegal, you shouldn't get involved.

How do you know if cash euro bills you are using are not secretly marked by government for tracking money flow?
This was used many times in history in different countries with UV ink markings, but more likely they are using some different tech this days.
I even saw several websites and apps for tracking euro bills.

[LoyceV]

How do you know if cash euro bills you are using are not secretly marked by government for tracking money flow?

Lol. They are marked with serial numbers, and I just assume there's some level of tracking already.

This was used many times in history in different countries with UV ink markings, but more likely they are using some different tech this days.

You mean RFID and NFC? Nothing a Faraday wallet can't stop, until you spend them.

I even saw several websites and apps for tracking euro bills.

I've seen a site years ago that tracked how banknotes spread through different countries. But none of that matters, as long as your money is fungible.

[notblox1]

Lol. They are marked with serial numbers, and I just assume there's some level of tracking already.

That is obvious, but they used hidden ink before to catch criminals in some cases.
They used marked bills as evidence in court later.

This was used many times in history in different countries with UV ink
You mean RFID and NFC? Nothing a Faraday wallet can't stop, until you spend them.

You carry this cage with you all the time with your money?  

I've seen a site years ago that tracked how banknotes spread through different countries. But none of that matters, as long as your money is fungible.

For now maybe.
I dont think digital euro is fungible.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Earlier today, most of the remaining funds from the escrow moved to a new address in this transaction https://mempool.space/tx/d4011dc9aa2c2a05cef3b1d66448b34ac2f17074c6432dba5811f9e985e3123a

CPFP was used to move the BTC into another address
https://mempool.space/tx/cdbdc0e03153fedf4e1973b014f580f27e5066fc46312fc2ee52bb14ced91f8a


This is probably related. If you’re on that list you might want to contact Royse soon.

https://t.me/R7BountyQA/31209

[JollyGood]

The initial post about the funds being moved was interesting in itself as it opened some questions about intent and action. Now the follow up edit could maybe explain it.

Earlier today, most of the remaining funds from the escrow moved to a new address in this transaction https://mempool.space/tx/d4011dc9aa2c2a05cef3b1d66448b34ac2f17074c6432dba5811f9e985e3123a

CPFP was used to move the BTC into another address
https://mempool.space/tx/cdbdc0e03153fedf4e1973b014f580f27e5066fc46312fc2ee52bb14ced91f8a


This is probably related. If you’re on that list you might want to contact Royse soon.

https://t.me/R7BountyQA/31209

[Pmalek]

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It's usually bad news that travels fast, but this time it was good news that travelled fast. My guess is that Royce consulted a legal expert and needed some time to figure out whether and how he can move those coins. Even after all these months, it's only the escrow address from Sinbad that is still on the official OFAC sanctions list. Incredible work done by the government agencies with great attention to detail.

[airfinex]

It's usually bad news that travels fast, but this time it was good news that travelled fast. My guess is that Royce consulted a legal expert and needed some time to figure out whether and how he can move those coins. Even after all these months, it's only the escrow address from Sinbad that is still on the official OFAC sanctions list. Incredible work done by the government agencies with great attention to detail.

Hahaha. This is dust in the eyes. Do you really believe in the phrases (our professional team) (I’ll consult with a lawyer)?

He simply realized that he would not be able to use this money to its fullest without consequences, but he would return the money to the participants of the subscription campaign and no one would tell him anything for the 10 thousand dollars that he would keep for himself

I'm closing the thread because the original public question is no longer relevant as users are about to get their money back, although how will they be able to verify the authenticity of the amounts received? But I will have more questions if he refuses to pay someone, saying that the seven-day period has passed when you should have been contacted.