Where the mixers will promote their projects?

[Rikafip]

I'm not sure, but I think that I had a profile on that forum a long time ago, as well as on some other forums - but what I'm interested in is the "teleport" option, that is, how exactly does their admin verify that someone is really the one whose profile want to transfer - anyone can say they are Lucius and give my unique profile number?

For example, you can verify your account by updating your bitcointalk account with link to your altcointalk account (for example you can share link in "website" bracket) and then you contacvt admin who will then check your bitcointalk account.

Yesterday I decided to make an account with my name in order to reserve it so a scammer there can't make an account under my name as I can see it happening if altcointalk gets more popular due mixer signature campaigns.

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[Lucius]

@Rikafip, I should have read better, now it's clearer to me that you need to put their link somewhere in your profile on this forum, and that means that no one can "teleport" anyone's account unless they hack it first. In any case, it is good to create an account there, if nothing else, at least to protect ourselves from those who would try to "copy" us.

However, transferring BTT accounts anywhere and advertising things that are prohibited on this forum means that in the event that the authorities want to locate someone there, they can always request information from this forum as well, given that we publicly admit that it is the same person. What I want to say is that all activities on that forum can have implications on the profiles on this forum.

[robelneo]

admin of that forum is very accomodating. anyone who wants to teleport, the admin can do it in less than an hour. if mixers are not welcome here anymore altcoinstalk will take them. although they may not haave a huge number of visitors a month, it will eventually increase when more users are going there.

kind of an active forum when there are tons of logged in users.  once this forum becomes popular too, they will screen advertisers as well.

I have had an account here since 2018 and I am one of the earliest who got teleported into this forum, I remember this forum is very quiet and lack activity that at some point extended to a few months, signature and bounty campaign can make an impact in an online community, some want to make money from their contribution besides the reputation they are getting, so we are now seeing a migration of accounts.
But compared here in Bitcointalk you need to declare your alt account because they don't want abuse of their community, I don't know if there are changes in their policy because this policy was created five years ago

Forum policy concerning duplicate accounts

[rat03gopoh]

However, transferring BTT accounts anywhere and advertising things that are prohibited on this forum means that in the event that the authorities want to locate someone there, they can always request information from this forum as well, given that we publicly admit that it is the same person. What I want to say is that all activities on that forum can have implications on the profiles on this forum.

I actually had the idea to create an account with a different name then teleport. However, this is just a trivial ploy, on the other hand, I doubt that law enforcement will consider activity on the forum as a big problem because the traffic is still too small compared to Btt.

[cabron]

However, transferring BTT accounts anywhere and advertising things that are prohibited on this forum means that in the event that the authorities want to locate someone there, they can always request information from this forum as well, given that we publicly admit that it is the same person. What I want to say is that all activities on that forum can have implications on the profiles on this forum.

I actually had the idea to create an account with a different name then teleport. However, this is just a trivial ploy, on the other hand, I doubt that law enforcement will consider activity on the forum as a big problem because the traffic is still too small compared to Btt.

I saw they don't allow users with different usernames to teleport. I did register there with a different username then I learned about the teleport so I'm not eligible for it.

If it is a violation to promote a mixer and the law is going to chase after those who promote it, there would be a lot the users here than in altcoinstalks that violate that law. The sad part is that users thought they were anonymous until they sent their coins to an exchange.

[Rikafip]

In any case, it is good to create an account there, if nothing else, at least to protect ourselves from those who would try to "copy" us.

I am absolutely sure that scammers will try that, so better be safe than sorry. One thing I would suggest the others is to use different email when creating an alt account there.

However, transferring BTT accounts anywhere and advertising things that are prohibited on this forum means that in the event that the authorities want to locate someone there, they can always request information from this forum as well, given that we publicly admit that it is the same person. What I want to say is that all activities on that forum can have implications on the profiles on this forum.

True, whatever you do there might have implications on your bitcointalk account and is indeed something to think about. With that being said, mixers are not illeal yet so I don't think that those who will continue to promote mixers there are in immediate danger and I can imagine if/when mixers become illegal, altcointalk will ban it too.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

There are already 4 pages of applications for signature campaign there, so there's obviously interest despite the lower rate. Keep also in mind that on altcointalk there is a "teleport" option so when you create a new account, you can simply sort of transfer your bitcointalk rank so you don't have to start from scratch.

I'm not sure, but I think that I had a profile on that forum a long time ago, as well as on some other forums - but what I'm interested in is the "teleport" option, that is, how exactly does their admin verify that someone is really the one whose profile want to transfer - anyone can say they are Lucius and give my unique profile number?

This is simple, if you read the teleporting rules on altcoinstalk, you will see where it is stated that before you are teleported, you have to copy your altcoinstalk profile link and come to your profile here on bitcointalk, then paste your altcoinstalk profile like you copied in either your signature ad space, or your website url box in your bitcointalk profile, and then, you share your bitcointalk profile link with the altcoinstalk admin, who will scan it and verify that the profile is really yours through the altcoinstalk link you posted on your profile.

This is how I believe, the admin there gets to verify that the bitcointalk profile that are being teleported, actually belongs to the altcoinstalk user who claim to own it.

[Lucius]

However, transferring BTT accounts anywhere and advertising things that are prohibited on this forum means that in the event that the authorities want to locate someone there, they can always request information from this forum as well, given that we publicly admit that it is the same person. What I want to say is that all activities on that forum can have implications on the profiles on this forum.

True, whatever you do there might have implications on your bitcointalk account and is indeed something to think about. With that being said, mixers are not illeal yet so I don't think that those who will continue to promote mixers there are in immediate danger and I can imagine if/when mixers become illegal, altcointalk will ban it too.

Regarding this forum, I think it is clear to everyone that we are in a very unfavorable situation considering that the forum is under the direct jurisdiction of the American authorities, and that the main admin is their citizen whose personal data is publicly known. As for this other forum in question, as well as some others that are mentioned, I cannot say what their situation is in this regard - because if they are located somewhere beyond the reach of the American and European authorities and if their admins are unknown, it is possible that even completely declaring mixers illegal will not affect their promotion.

[shield132]

I've seen some recommendations to go to the altcointalks.com forum.
This is fun, bitcoin services are moving to the altcoin forum, while on the Bitcoin forum, we can't defend against alt/nft/token spam.

Mixers can promote their mixers on cryptotalk.org too but they will not get any result. Compare the traffic of bitcointalk to altcointalks and cryptotalk, I think the signature campaign run on this forum will result in far superior results compared to signature campaigns run on altcoinstalk and cryptotalk.

I think that old and well-known mixers will continue their job but it will be very hard for new mixers to rise and will probably have to spend more money in marketing because their promotion choices will be very low. Bitcointalk was the most cost-effective and beneficial way to promote bitcoin mixer. I think they'll promote their mixer on websites like zippyshare and torrents.

[Pmalek]

Plus, a person who knows what a mixer is, definitely knows how to google search a legitimate mixing service.

A Google search is a great way to find a mixer phishing site and fake mixers where you will lose your money. If we go back to the era of ChipMixer, for example, if you did a google search for the term "ChipMixer", you would see results of phishing site. The genuine website was banned by Google. That tells you everything you need to know about Google and their care for customers. You can also pay for Google ads and advertise an obvious scam and money-grab. Google doesn't care as long as they make money of you.

However, transferring BTT accounts anywhere and advertising things that are prohibited on this forum means that in the event that the authorities want to locate someone there, they can always request information from this forum as well, given that we publicly admit that it is the same person. What I want to say is that all activities on that forum can have implications on the profiles on this forum.

Correct, but advertising and using mixers isn't against the law. In Sinbad's case, the problem was that scammers used it to mix and launder the bitcoin they stole, creating problems for everyone else who had nothing to do with that.

[Lucius]

Correct, but advertising and using mixers isn't against the law. In Sinbad's case, the problem was that scammers used it to mix and launder the bitcoin they stole, creating problems for everyone else who had nothing to do with that.

It may not be literally illegal, although no one should have any illusions that it will very likely come to that in the near future. The fact that the authorities allegedly detected some mixers as services through which "dirty money" passes does not mean that this does not happen with all other mixers as well. They are surely already working on some new cases, I just wonder how they choose their priorities - they come to the forum and see which is the most popular mixer, or they put them all in a hat and draw a name

[hugeblack]

I just wonder how they choose their priorities - they come to the forum and see which is the most popular mixer, or they put them all in a hat and draw a name

I think they are tracking Lazarus Group because from the first blender was seized in 2021 and until today they have been directly or indirectly under the management of that group starting with Tornado Cash, Blender.io^[2] Chipmixer^[3] and Sinbad^[4]

The only exception is bestmixer. I did not find that they have strong links to the Lazarus Group. Perhaps the reason for seizes is the data leak after the dark web market seized.

If you noticed, the issue revolves around the United States’ desire to limit the activity of the Lazarus Group^[1], so Tornado Cash, Blender.io^[2] Chipmixer^[3] and Sinbad^[4] were banned more than it was a ban on mixers.

Therefore, I hope that the restrictions regarding the definition of mixer will be reduced, or at least that they will not be worse than the current wording.

[1] U.S. Treasury Issues First-Ever Sanctions on a Virtual Currency Mixer, Targets DPRK Cyber Threats
[2] OFAC sanctions virtual asset mixer for the first time to combat North Korea’s Lazarus Group
[3] ChipMixer was one of a variety of mixers used to launder the proceeds of hacks perpetrated by North Korea’s Lazarus Group
[4] Feds Seize 'Sinbad' Crypto Mixer Used by North Korea's Lazarus

[Wiwo]

Basically: legit users will have a harder time finding legit ones; criminals will still have access to it.

This is just it that you said. What I think more about what is going to happen is that legit users may not know about mixers again except the one users, but new users that have intention of criminality will still know what mixers are and they will still use it. The criminals will still see ways to do their work.

Let not totally ascribed mixers to criminiaties just like the admin mentioned that not all mixers are bad actors,  but a situation where one or two of those bad actor mixer can be trace to this forum is what the admin is trying to prevent it long time effect on members and the forum itself.

Those mixers who have a clean record will continue to exist and legit user will continue to use them likewise even the criminals too will also use them,  but saying that generally mixer are used only by criminals may be a big mixup between the facts and assumptions.

[electronicash]

Basically: legit users will have a harder time finding legit ones; criminals will still have access to it.

This is just it that you said. What I think more about what is going to happen is that legit users may not know about mixers again except the one users, but new users that have intention of criminality will still know what mixers are and they will still use it. The criminals will still see ways to do their work.

Let not totally ascribed mixers to criminiaties just like the admin mentioned that not all mixers are bad actors,  but a situation where one or two of those bad actor mixer can be trace to this forum is what the admin is trying to prevent it long time effect on members and the forum itself.

Those mixers who have a clean record will continue to exist and legit user will continue to use them likewise even the criminals too will also use them,  but saying that generally mixer are used only by criminals may be a big mixup between the facts and assumptions.

all these are because of Sinbad which was used by Lazaro. but it's not Sinbad's fault they were picked by the Lazaro group and Lazaro should be their target, not the mixers.

if authorities are up to finding them, they should just follow the trails. killing mixers business will just make their job harder as it will be done in a very secretive group. it is harder for them once mixers do the most innovative ways like using AIs and telegram bots.

[Wiwo]

all these are because of Sinbad which was used by Lazaro. but it's not Sinbad's fault they were picked by the Lazaro group and Lazaro should be their target, not the mixers.

if authorities are up to finding them, they should just follow the trails. killing mixers business will just make their job harder as it will be done in a very secretive group. it is harder for them once mixers do the most innovative ways like using AIs and telegram bots.

In a situation like this,  it's only the innocent users that will be affected negatively because the criminals will find their way around it and find a way to mix the stolen coins within available means to continue with their criminal act.

Although not only Sinbad but also other mixers that were seized back then early this year who had their promotion here in the forum since 2017 be for it was seized by the same FBI chipmixer and this made the incident the second which caught the attention of the admin.

[digaran]

So do you guys know who is behind that forum? Any intel on their staff team, admins? it seems like a good idea to teleport there, I wonder, if I can hunt down and properly prosecute any of the abusers when they teleport there? such a brilliant idea, am I right or am I right? 😂 

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

There are still a lot of website out there that will accept to run ads for any mixers that hire them, there are also some android app that display ads, mixers could take their promotion there too. Since Google didn't ban mixer, they could still permit their ads to pup out on YouTube depending if any mixers takes their advertising there, same could be applicable to Facebook, X (Twitter), LinkedIn and more other social media out there. This forum is not the only place mixers could get advertise, they definitely will look for another means to still market their service.

[tabas]

Mixers can promote their mixers on cryptotalk.org too but they will not get any result. Compare the traffic of bitcointalk to altcointalks and cryptotalk, I think the signature campaign run on this forum will result in far superior results compared to signature campaigns run on altcoinstalk and cryptotalk.

These mixers will realize that the comparison of traffic that they'll get there and here are totally way out of the league. They may continue their advertisement there but eventually, if they're not liking the results, it is just going to end up with the expected result. Anyway, no one's wishing the result to be bad at all and there's always a chance for them and it's their choice how they're going to keep up with the competition and their marketing.

[Saisher]

Anyway, no one's wishing the result to be bad at all and there's always a chance for them and it's their choice how they're going to keep up with the competition and their marketing.

Old mixers that are been running for several years already have returning clients, it's the new and not fully established mixers that need marketing and promotions because of the limitless platforms where they can promote their service they have to make sure that they have far better support than all the other mixers to get a share of the market since they are going to be ban here in Bitcointalk, other platforms are opening up to accommodate them in exchange to activity, and they are more willing until they get the same issues like Bitcointalk experience.

[Pmalek]

Let not totally ascribed mixers to criminiaties just like the admin mentioned that not all mixers are bad actors,  but a situation where one or two of those bad actor mixer can be trace to this forum is what the admin is trying to prevent it long time effect on members and the forum itself.

A service or a payment method in itself isn't bad. Its features aren't bad. A mixer isn't bad. Mixing illegally obtained coins is bad.

If we put such tags on money, then all fiat should be classified as bad. What did criminals use before 2009? It wasn't that long ago. Drugs, children pornography, bribes, illegal weapons, and murders were all financed by fiat like the USD. Still, you don't ban the words "fiat", "cash", or "USD" because of that and treat everyone as rule breakers because they mentioned such terms.

These mixers will realize that the comparison of traffic that they'll get there and here are totally way out of the league.

That's also why the payrate is so low there compared to what was and is still offered on Bitcointalk. Here, you used to get $5-7 (up to $10) now. I doubt you will get more than $1.5-2.0 on AltcoinsTalk.