Wasabi Wallet - Total Privacy For Bitcoin

[Wind_FURY]

can you provide some reliable/verifiable data that those centralized mixers ARE NOT mixing/tumbling their users' outputs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)#Shifting_the_burden_of_proof

I truly understand your viewpoint now that we are in the same side. But I was merely asking, if people politely ask me for some verifiable data to show them that those centralized mixers/tumblers DO NOT actually mix/tumble their outputs, then we merely tell them that we're right and they're wrong, and the burden of proof is on them why they are wrong?

No matter how many times you try, I refuse to allow you to shift the burden of proof away from yourself and on to me.

It's not shifting. Because what's right, innocent until proven guilty or guilty unless proven innocent?

Are we merely going to tell people that we are right "because we are right" without the need for any evidence to show them why we're actually right? Plus if they disagree, we'll merely brush them off and call them scammers?

[Kruw]

I truly understand your viewpoint now that we are in the same side.

We are not on the same side. You are a scammer who promotes the traditional banking system and you got caught red handed:

Pmalek and WIND_FURY, your choice to lure people into depositing their coins into a "Mixing Site" has led to their data being turned over to the government:

To all criminal users of former mixer Sinbad.io,
This is a collective warning issued by the Dutch Investigation Service for Financial and Tax Crime (FIOD) and the Dutch Public Prosecution Office.
Our investigation has uncovered illicit activities on this mixer platform and the logs obtained have compromised the anonymity of numerous users.
We urge all criminal users and admins of mixers to cease all unlawful actions immediately. Persistent engagement will lead to severe legal consequences. We are resolute in pursuing and prosecuting all involved in criminal activities.
Your anonymity is no longer assured. Law enforcement actions are imminent.
With Vigilance,
Dutch Investigation Service for Financial and Tax Crime (FIOD) and the Dutch Public Prosecution Office

If only someone had warned everyone about mixing sites collecting your data!  

[Wind_FURY]

    

Ser, no reply to what I was actually asking so we can explain our side for everyone to understand? Mere Ad Hominem attacks to the person who has decided to be on your side? I'm confused.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476197.msg64683106#msg64683106

To be quite honest with you, I was neutral and I was probably the only person who wasn't calling you a "piece of ____" like what the other more trustworthy members of BitcoinTalk are calling you. Read your own trust-rating, ser.

[Kruw]

Wind_FURY, what part of "Fuck off scammer" didn't you understand? I'm going to contact your campaign manager to report all of your spam to him. If you are still posting on this thread in a week, I'll contact shuffle.com to report the campaign manager. You're farming this thread for money by repeating the same thing over and over again for pages and pages, this is a waste of fucking time.

[Wind_FURY]

Wind_FURY, what part of "Fuck off scammer" didn't you understand? I'm going to contact your campaign manager to report all of your spam to him. If you are still posting on this thread in a week, I'll contact shuffle.com to report the campaign manager. You're farming this thread for money by repeating the same thing over and over again for pages and pages, this is a waste of fucking time.

Ser, do what you must. Lie, gaslight, cheat, be disingenuous. But I will NEVER back down against you, and against your claims that any service is a scam without proper and verifiable data as evidence. It's simply morally wrong to say that a service is guilty because "in your opinion" it is guilty.

Plus you call me a scammer, a spammer? The only person who is actually neutral in the topic, and who was giving you the benefit of the doubt? I show you your trust-rating,

[Kruw]

But I will NEVER back down against you, and against your claims that any service is a scam without proper and verifiable data as evidence.

Why haven't you addressed this proof of you being a scammer yet?

Pmalek and WIND_FURY, your choice to lure people into depositing their coins into a "Mixing Site" has led to their data being turned over to the government:

To all criminal users of former mixer Sinbad.io,
This is a collective warning issued by the Dutch Investigation Service for Financial and Tax Crime (FIOD) and the Dutch Public Prosecution Office.
Our investigation has uncovered illicit activities on this mixer platform and the logs obtained have compromised the anonymity of numerous users.
We urge all criminal users and admins of mixers to cease all unlawful actions immediately. Persistent engagement will lead to severe legal consequences. We are resolute in pursuing and prosecuting all involved in criminal activities.
Your anonymity is no longer assured. Law enforcement actions are imminent.
With Vigilance,
Dutch Investigation Service for Financial and Tax Crime (FIOD) and the Dutch Public Prosecution Office

If only someone had warned everyone about mixing sites collecting your data!  

[Wind_FURY]

But I will NEVER back down against you, and against your claims that any service is a scam without proper and verifiable data as evidence.

Why haven't you addressed this proof of you being a scammer yet?

I'm not. Refer to your trust-rating.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Kruw]

I'm not.

Yes, you are a scammer, here's the proof:

Pmalek and WIND_FURY, your choice to lure people into depositing their coins into a "Mixing Site" has led to their data being turned over to the government:

To all criminal users of former mixer Sinbad.io,
This is a collective warning issued by the Dutch Investigation Service for Financial and Tax Crime (FIOD) and the Dutch Public Prosecution Office.
Our investigation has uncovered illicit activities on this mixer platform and the logs obtained have compromised the anonymity of numerous users.
We urge all criminal users and admins of mixers to cease all unlawful actions immediately. Persistent engagement will lead to severe legal consequences. We are resolute in pursuing and prosecuting all involved in criminal activities.
Your anonymity is no longer assured. Law enforcement actions are imminent.
With Vigilance,
Dutch Investigation Service for Financial and Tax Crime (FIOD) and the Dutch Public Prosecution Office

If only someone had warned everyone about mixing sites collecting your data!  

[Dont Trust Verify]

Ser, do what you must. Lie, gaslight, cheat, be disingenuous. But I will NEVER back down against you, and against your claims that any service is a scam without proper and verifiable data as evidence. It's simply morally wrong to say that a service is guilty because "in your opinion" it is guilty.

Plus you call me a scammer, a spammer? The only person who is actually neutral in the topic, and who was giving you the benefit of the doubt? I show you your trust-rating,

You are just trolling at this point. Why ask for evidence for something which you already know is true? Plenty of mixers which have advertised on bitcointalk ended up exit scamming.

What happened to this mixer which you were paid to review?

I will write this review according to my personal experience and according to my limited technical knowledge, because I am not a "computer security expert", a blockchain developer, nor am I a kind of user that requires absolute anonymity in the blockchain. But I do have questions and personal opinions, and I might have found some things which could help [banned mixer] improve their service...

I’ll give you a clue. Tumbler .io exit scammed and users from this forum lost their funds. From following your deposits on a block explorer there is no evidence of any actual mixing going on. Your deposits are consolidated in the same transaction and later used to pay another user’s withdrawal. Almost every deposit into this mixer created toxic change and they didn’t even try to prevent users from reusing addresses for their withdrawal. Calling these services custodial wallets is more appropriate. Calling them mixers is dishonest advertising because there is no real meaningful level of obfuscation being provided.

[Pmalek]

What on earth is wrong with you? Why are dragging the name of a forum member (that told us he was leaving the forum because of health reasons and by now is sadly probably no longer with us) in your squabbles

Because he is a low-life piece of shit and a hyena with ulterior motives who is here to gather as much information as possible for his handlers who allow him to operate with no consequences in a world where his competition is getting sanctioned and imprisoned. Why else?

I don't need 'support' because I'm not a politician.

There is no reason to fear that a honeypot service will be taken down. You will be fine. I am sure you would quickly land on your feet even if something bad happened. And when I say "on your feet", I mean on your knees.

[Kruw]

Because he is a low-life piece of shit and a hyena with ulterior motives who is here to gather as much information as possible for his handlers who allow him to operate with no consequences in a world where his competition is getting sanctioned and imprisoned. Why else?

!!! WARNING FROM THE SITE ADMINISTRATOR: DO NOT TRUST SCAMMER PMALEK AND HIS "MIXING SITES", USE TRUSTLESS WASABI INSTEAD !!!

Congratulations to the Wasabi and JoinMarket developers! JoinMarket pioneered a lot of CoinJoin science (and BTW, belcher wrote an excellent & comprehensive wiki article on privacy), while Wasabi is the first wallet that implements CoinJoin in both a highly-usable and sound way. As both a signer and a donor to the CoinJoin bounty fund, I'm thrilled that these two pieces of software exist!

For everyone looking to improve their privacy, I highly recommend checking out Wasabi, especially over centralized "mixers".

PMALEK BACKSTABBED THE BITCOINTALK COMMUNITY BY PARTNERING WITH THE SINBAD "MIXING SITE" TO CREATE A DATA HONEYPOT FOR THE GOVERNMENT:

Pmalek and WIND_FURY, your choice to lure people into depositing their coins into a "Mixing Site" has led to their data being turned over to the government:

To all criminal users of former mixer Sinbad.io,
This is a collective warning issued by the Dutch Investigation Service for Financial and Tax Crime (FIOD) and the Dutch Public Prosecution Office.
Our investigation has uncovered illicit activities on this mixer platform and the logs obtained have compromised the anonymity of numerous users.
We urge all criminal users and admins of mixers to cease all unlawful actions immediately. Persistent engagement will lead to severe legal consequences. We are resolute in pursuing and prosecuting all involved in criminal activities.
Your anonymity is no longer assured. Law enforcement actions are imminent.
With Vigilance,
Dutch Investigation Service for Financial and Tax Crime (FIOD) and the Dutch Public Prosecution Office

[JollyGood]

What on earth is wrong with you? Why are dragging the name of a forum member (that told us he was leaving the forum because of health reasons and by now is sadly probably no longer with us) in your squabbles

Because he is a low-life piece of shit and a hyena with ulterior motives who is here to gather as much information as possible for his handlers who allow him to operate with no consequences in a world where his competition is getting sanctioned and imprisoned. Why else?

I do not know why he has taken this aggressive and stubborn stance in the forum but in the end it will be to his own detriment when some members will probably never forgive him for behaving in such a cruel manner. It could have worked out different for him had he simply put aside differences in opinions as far as the blockchain side was concerned and shown a degree of sympathy when the time was right but he did not even offer condolences at the right time either.

I don't need 'support' because I'm not a politician.

There is no reason to fear that a honeypot service will be taken down. You will be fine. I am sure you would quickly land on your feet even if something bad happened. And when I say "on your feet", I mean on your knees.

Keeping the honeypot theory aside, I remember the part in the podcast where Kruw effectively stated he was willing to go jail in order to prove a point about coinjoin and more specifically his coordinator. It is possible that Wasabi Wallet and Ginger Wallet will not face legal issues and it is possible coordinators will also not face issues but that seems highly unlikely.

It is easy for him to state he does not want support but if Kruw one day finds himself in trouble, he will probably have zero support from members and some might even be celebrating his demise (and that would be a sad outcome for someone that did not need alienate forum members).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v952Fd1vmOs

[Wind_FURY]

here's the proof:

 

That actually made me laugh out loud.

Ser, do what you must. Lie, gaslight, cheat, be disingenuous. But I will NEVER back down against you, and against your claims that any service is a scam without proper and verifiable data as evidence. It's simply morally wrong to say that a service is guilty because "in your opinion" it is guilty.

Plus you call me a scammer, a spammer? The only person who is actually neutral in the topic, and who was giving you the benefit of the doubt? I show you your trust-rating,

You are just trolling at this point.

No, I'm not. I was just asking for data, and I'm actually trying to make him understand that he can't merely point at anyone being guilty unless proven innocent. That's morally wrong.

Read my post-history in this topic, I never accused anyone of any wrong-doing especially not Wasabi. In fact, I was the only person that said Wasabi's decision to work with blockchain analytics was a necessary trade-off.

From following your deposits on a block explorer there is no evidence of any actual mixing going on. Your deposits are consolidated in the same transaction and later used to pay another user’s withdrawal. Almost every deposit into this mixer created toxic change and they didn’t even try to prevent users from reusing addresses for their withdrawal. Calling these services custodial wallets is more appropriate. Calling them mixers is dishonest advertising because there is no real meaningful level of obfuscation being provided.

That's what I was asking him! Show verifiable data! That won't be too hard, no?

[Kruw]

That actually made me laugh out loud.

It's sick that you laugh out loud when looking back at the proof of you scamming innocent Bitcointalk users. Fuck you. Don't you have any sympathy for your victims?

!!! WARNING FROM THE SITE ADMINISTRATOR: DO NOT TRUST SCAMMER Wind_FURY AND HIS "MIXING SITES", USE TRUSTLESS WASABI INSTEAD !!!

Congratulations to the Wasabi and JoinMarket developers! JoinMarket pioneered a lot of CoinJoin science (and BTW, belcher wrote an excellent & comprehensive wiki article on privacy), while Wasabi is the first wallet that implements CoinJoin in both a highly-usable and sound way. As both a signer and a donor to the CoinJoin bounty fund, I'm thrilled that these two pieces of software exist!

For everyone looking to improve their privacy, I highly recommend checking out Wasabi, especially over centralized "mixers".

Wind_FURY BACKSTABBED THE BITCOINTALK COMMUNITY BY PARTNERING WITH THE SINBAD "MIXING SITE" TO CREATE A DATA HONEYPOT FOR THE GOVERNMENT:

Pmalek and WIND_FURY, your choice to lure people into depositing their coins into a "Mixing Site" has led to their data being turned over to the government:

To all criminal users of former mixer Sinbad.io,
This is a collective warning issued by the Dutch Investigation Service for Financial and Tax Crime (FIOD) and the Dutch Public Prosecution Office.
Our investigation has uncovered illicit activities on this mixer platform and the logs obtained have compromised the anonymity of numerous users.
We urge all criminal users and admins of mixers to cease all unlawful actions immediately. Persistent engagement will lead to severe legal consequences. We are resolute in pursuing and prosecuting all involved in criminal activities.
Your anonymity is no longer assured. Law enforcement actions are imminent.
With Vigilance,
Dutch Investigation Service for Financial and Tax Crime (FIOD) and the Dutch Public Prosecution Office

[PrivacyG]

!!! WARNING FROM THE SITE ADMINISTRATOR: DO NOT TRUST SCAMMER Wind_FURY AND HIS "MIXING SITES", USE TRUSTLESS WASABI INSTEAD !!!

Threatening Wind Fury with contacting his Campaign Manager to 'report his Spam' and then immediately writing text in this size and color is hilariously ironic.

While we are at it.  Prove theymos said Wind_FURY and Pmalek are not to be Trusted.

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I completely understand the frustration on both sides, but Kruw just recently did a face reveal, stepping into the public eye in an excellent podcast. The community clearly appreciated this, and he even received words of praise here from his former critics. I thought this might finally lead the conversation toward some form of reconciliation. But no.

No matter how excellent or crap the Podcast was, I can not show or even contemplate showing any respect to somebody who deceives like Kruw and pisses on the grave of a deceased person while knowing very well that they can not fight back the claims Kruw makes any more.  Kruw is doing acts I can only describe as inhumane.  Even if he ever provides what people think is the best Cryptocurrency Podcast in the world, I would still have zero respect for him because of his acts.

[Kruw]

Threatening Wind Fury with contacting his Campaign Manager to 'report his Spam' and then immediately writing text in this size and color is hilariously ironic.

How is that ironic?

While we are at it.  Prove theymos said Wind_FURY and Pmalek are not to be Trusted.

Theymos said not to trust ANYONE: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5421039

theymos even specifically said not to use "mixers" and to use Wasabi instead:

Congratulations to the Wasabi and JoinMarket developers! JoinMarket pioneered a lot of CoinJoin science (and BTW, belcher wrote an excellent & comprehensive wiki article on privacy), while Wasabi is the first wallet that implements CoinJoin in both a highly-usable and sound way. As both a signer and a donor to the CoinJoin bounty fund, I'm thrilled that these two pieces of software exist!

For everyone looking to improve their privacy, I highly recommend checking out Wasabi, especially over centralized "mixers".

No matter how excellent or crap the Podcast was, I can not show or even contemplate showing any respect to somebody who deceives like Kruw and pisses on the grave of a deceased person while knowing very well that they can not fight back the claims Kruw makes any more.  Kruw is doing acts I can only describe as inhumane.  Even if he ever provides what people think is the best Cryptocurrency Podcast in the world, I would still have zero respect for him because of his acts.

o_e_l_e_o's acts were inhumane, did you forget that he joined satoshi's forum to steal money and data of innocent people? o_e_l_e_o partnered with a blockchain analysis company and you are calling him a "top fighter of privacy". Pathetic:

namely Leo who was among the top fighters if not the top fighter of Privacy that we had on Bitcoin Talk.

How can you say o_e_l_e_o was a "Top fighter if not the top fighter of privacy" when he was promoting Mixtum?  If o_e_l_e_o was interested in privacy, he wouldn't be telling people to deposit their coins into a chain analysis service that runs a thorough background check on coins to determine whether or not they want to confiscate them:

3. Quality scoring of incoming transactions
We run a thorough background check of incoming funds through a proprietary algorithm.

2.1. Privacy Policy

Please refer to our Privacy Policy to get an understanding of our confidentiality obligations. You consent to the collection and use of information as described in the Privacy Policy.

2.2 Suspension or termination of services

Mixtum reserves the right to suspend or terminate access to services at any time at its own discretion, with or without reasons, with or without notification assuming no responsibility whatsoever.

For example, services may be suspended or terminated due to the following reasons:

    an actual or suspected violation of these Terms and Conditions;
    use of the service in such a manner that is conducive to the legal liability of Mixtum or Service malfunction;
    planned or unplanned maintenance, etc.

2.3 Unacceptable use

You agree that you personally will not commit, encourage or support the committal of:

    use of any unauthorized means to access the Mixtum service or use of any automated process or service (for example, spider, crawler or periodic caching of information stored or generated by Mixtum) except for the functions described in our API, as well as distribution of instructions, software or tools with this aim in view;
    modification, change, distortion or any other interference in work of the Mixtum service;
    disturbing or interference in operation of servers or networks used by Mixtum to deliver the Services;
    disabling, overload or degradation of Mixtum performance (or any other network connected to the service);
    use of the Mixtum service or website for any other purposes other than those specifically provided by these Terms and Privacy Policy;
    any illegal or fraudulent activity, as well as use of this Service in order to legalize illegal income, financing of terrorism, participation in schemes of phishing, forgery or other such falsification or manipulation;
    unauthorized spamming, pyramid schemes or any other activity duplicating unwanted messages should they be commercially oriented or of other nature.

2.4 Service updates

At any time and at its absolute discretion Mixtum can carry out unscheduled works related to the service modification, update and enhancement. We are liable to add or remove functions and cease activities of the service and website.
2.5 License and restrictions

Mixtum provides you with a personal nontransferable nonexclusive license to use the Service as it is stipulated for you by Mixtum. This license is provided under conditions and restricted to the provisions, stipulations and constraints stated in these Terms. Therewith, such license is intended for personal, noncommercial use. You may not copy, modify, create a derivative work of, decompile or otherwise attempt to extract the source code of the service or any part thereof, exclusive of data permitted by law, or expressly allowed by the Mixtum platform (use of templates, API, etc.). You may not reassign (or grant a sublicense of) your rights to use the service, or otherwise transfer any part of your rights in accordance with these Terms. These Rules do not provide you with any license or permission to copy, distribute, change or otherwise use any applications programming interface despite any provisions to the contrary. No property rights or ownership rights related to the Service are not granted to you according to these Terms. Mixtum reserves all rights that have not been expressly granted.

[PrivacyG]

o_e_l_e_o's acts were inhumane, did you forget that he joined satoshi's forum to steal money and data of innocent people?

Prove o_e_l_e_o stole Money and data of innocent people.

[Kruw]

Prove o_e_l_e_o stole Money and data of innocent people.

I proved it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5482198

[PrivacyG]

Prove o_e_l_e_o stole Money and data of innocent people.

I proved it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5482198

Point me to the part where you proved he stole data of people.

By the way.  Disgraceful Thread to make in response to somebody dying, but Kruw does Kruw things I suppose.

[Kruw]

Point me to the part where you proved he stole data of people.

I'm surprised you didn't notice that o_e_l_e_o partnered with a blockchain surveillance company:

namely Leo who was among the top fighters if not the top fighter of Privacy that we had on Bitcoin Talk.

How can you say o_e_l_e_o was a "Top fighter if not the top fighter of privacy" when he was promoting Mixtum?  If o_e_l_e_o was interested in privacy, he wouldn't be telling people to deposit their coins into a chain analysis service that runs a thorough background check on coins to determine whether or not they want to confiscate them:

3. Quality scoring of incoming transactions
We run a thorough background check of incoming funds through a proprietary algorithm.

2.1. Privacy Policy

Please refer to our Privacy Policy to get an understanding of our confidentiality obligations. You consent to the collection and use of information as described in the Privacy Policy.

2.2 Suspension or termination of services

Mixtum reserves the right to suspend or terminate access to services at any time at its own discretion, with or without reasons, with or without notification assuming no responsibility whatsoever.

For example, services may be suspended or terminated due to the following reasons:

    an actual or suspected violation of these Terms and Conditions;
    use of the service in such a manner that is conducive to the legal liability of Mixtum or Service malfunction;
    planned or unplanned maintenance, etc.

2.3 Unacceptable use

You agree that you personally will not commit, encourage or support the committal of:

    use of any unauthorized means to access the Mixtum service or use of any automated process or service (for example, spider, crawler or periodic caching of information stored or generated by Mixtum) except for the functions described in our API, as well as distribution of instructions, software or tools with this aim in view;
    modification, change, distortion or any other interference in work of the Mixtum service;
    disturbing or interference in operation of servers or networks used by Mixtum to deliver the Services;
    disabling, overload or degradation of Mixtum performance (or any other network connected to the service);
    use of the Mixtum service or website for any other purposes other than those specifically provided by these Terms and Privacy Policy;
    any illegal or fraudulent activity, as well as use of this Service in order to legalize illegal income, financing of terrorism, participation in schemes of phishing, forgery or other such falsification or manipulation;
    unauthorized spamming, pyramid schemes or any other activity duplicating unwanted messages should they be commercially oriented or of other nature.

2.4 Service updates

At any time and at its absolute discretion Mixtum can carry out unscheduled works related to the service modification, update and enhancement. We are liable to add or remove functions and cease activities of the service and website.
2.5 License and restrictions

Mixtum provides you with a personal nontransferable nonexclusive license to use the Service as it is stipulated for you by Mixtum. This license is provided under conditions and restricted to the provisions, stipulations and constraints stated in these Terms. Therewith, such license is intended for personal, noncommercial use. You may not copy, modify, create a derivative work of, decompile or otherwise attempt to extract the source code of the service or any part thereof, exclusive of data permitted by law, or expressly allowed by the Mixtum platform (use of templates, API, etc.). You may not reassign (or grant a sublicense of) your rights to use the service, or otherwise transfer any part of your rights in accordance with these Terms. These Rules do not provide you with any license or permission to copy, distribute, change or otherwise use any applications programming interface despite any provisions to the contrary. No property rights or ownership rights related to the Service are not granted to you according to these Terms. Mixtum reserves all rights that have not been expressly granted.