Mixers Signatures : A challenge or Respect

[freedomgo]

We still have the last day of this year to wear signatures if we want.

All of us here are bound by the forum rules, and the recent announcement by Theymos will be implemented. Thus, we have no choice but to follow the orders. As you can see, some of us are wearing Mixer signatures, so I'll presume that most will continue until the last day allowed.

I'll take this opportunity to express gratitude to Mixers; they've been here to promote anonymity and privacy (through us), even though, in the end, the government prevailed. Theymos's decision is understandable, it serves as a preventive measure. If Bitcointalk were linked to Mixers, it could lead to unfavorable consequences, potentially even risking a ban on our beloved forum. So, let's follow the rules and support each other here.

Sayonara mixers -

[nutildah]

This solution is incredibly stupid. This will kill the entire forum ecosystem  

Hardly. There's obviously a lot of butt-hurt and other signature campaigns will get more competitive; as a result some of the people who are only here to shitpost for a campaign will leave. If anything this will lead to an overall increase in the quality of posts on the forum.

I rather all signatures be disabled globally, no links allowed, but never see a Bitcoin service banned. No banning of discussing Bitcoin services.

We can discuss gay porn, and porn in general, but we can't discuss a Bitcoin service? Welcome to new north korea.

He's not banning discussion of mixing services, only advertisement of them. I suspect you know this already but this is a pre-emptive measure to ensure that the forum itself doesn't get taken down. As a repository for Satoshi's writings, the forum is bigger than all of us. Theymos is simply trying to get one step ahead of the curve here.

[BitcoinsGreat]

Well, Theymos has given a grace period of one month, to wind up all these things including signature campaigns. Now the question comes whether we show respect to the theymos decision and remove our signatures as soon as possible for everyone benefit and to show that we respect the forum decisions or will you people will keep wearing the signatures till 31 December so that you earn every penny you can. Also it means that most users are not willing to let go mixers signatures as they keep them till the last seconds.

The same challenge goes to the campaign managers to announce this or this current week as the last one to wind up things  (in favor and agreeing to theymos) or still be willing to go till the last week of December

There is nothing wrong is wearing the signature and promoting the service till the last day as allowed by theymos. If it was too urgent, he would have stopped everything immediately (Like he put the Sinbad to Archival). Nothing to be hurry or getting panic.

Also i think that people will be started finding spots in other non-mixers campaigns and most of them will be moving to the other campaigns as they get accepted while the rest of them will obviously be leaving by the end of this month.

[pinggoki]

We as the citizens of planet earth promise you to milk every possible  signature revenue to the last milliseconds allowed and will not forfeit our rights. 😂 

That's probably why they are crying about all of this because some of these mixer signature campaigns have a really good pay and some of them are in those campaigns so it's difficult for them to depart from those campaigns especially that were there from the start so some of they might've grown attached to them or they just want the consistent good pay.

[LogitechMouse]

This solution is incredibly stupid. This will kill the entire forum ecosystem 

Mixer signature campaigns aren't the only signature campaigns around. There are other more. Are you saying that removing mixer signatures will kill the ecosystem of the forum? Don't overreact.
There are already some users here who are applying for other campaigns that aren't a mixer. I don't know the reason though because they can still wear it until the 31st. Maybe they're afraid that by next year, there will be no more open spots thus, they are applying as early as now. I will not be surprised if, by next year, more campaigns that aren't a mixer will emerge, but for now, they can still advertise it until the end of the year.

On the other hand, there will be some that will milk them until they (mixer owners) themselves will just stop their campaigns.

[cryptoaddictchie]

That's probably why they are crying about all of this because some of these mixer signature campaigns have a really good pay and some of them are in those campaigns so it's difficult for them to depart from those campaigns especially that were there from the start so some of they might've grown attached to them or they just want the consistent good pay.

Its not that they are crying. Some believed in the worth of having mixers too for the purpose of privacy but that cant help in the ongoing cracked down isnt it. Too sad that some of these mixers will not be promoted anymore hence for the users that legally using it. Anyway forum will thrive and theymos probably just following whats he thinks right.

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

Mixer signature campaigns aren't the only signature campaigns around. There are other more. Are you saying that removing mixer signatures will kill the ecosystem of the forum? Don't overreact.

Without problems from mixers, theymos even considered to ban signature advertisements too. Signatures and signature advertisements were not here at beginning so the forum will not be killed even if all signatures are banned.

Signature advertisers: suggestions?
Ideas for improving post quality?

Honestly, I find signature advertisements distasteful, and it is not impossible that I will someday ban the practice. However, it's obviously an important part of the forum ecosystem today. So if you use signatures for advertising, what are your suggestions for forum improvements in that area?

For example, one idea I had was to allow users to subscribe to campaigns that other users set up, and then the campaigner could automatically push signature updates to everyone subscribed, and also track exactly when and for how long each user was subscribed. Would this be significantly useful? I'm not all that familiar with how these signature campaigns work, so I'm not sure.

However: the forum will never intermediate these transactions. We will not touch the money involved or perform any sort of "screening", etc. Also, I have no particular desire for the forum to take a cut of sig-ad transactions.

(I'm probably not going to implement anything in this area very soon, but the matter has been on my mind lately, and I wanted to see what people thought.)

What are everyone's ideas for improving post quality?

I have mostly ruled out:

- Removing signatures or sig ads globally.
 - Requiring payment to wear sig ads.
 - Banning account sales.

A couple of ideas that have been floating around in my head:

1. To attain ranks above Member, you'd have to earn some number of merit points. Merit points would be awarded in a monthly vote on best posts of the previous month, with various measures (TBD) to prevent gaming of the vote. Winning merit points might also come with a BTC prize.

2. Create or designate some sections as "serious discussion" sections, with no signatures. In those sections or maybe in different ones, also have poster restrictions such as Member rank or above only. And/or allow topic-creators to set these restrictions on their topics, similar to selfmod topics.

What do you think of these ideas, and what other ideas do people have?

[FatFork]

Mixer campaigns might be popular, but they're not the only fish in the sea.  People make it sound like banning Mixer sigs will totally wreck the forum ecosystem.  That seems pretty overdramatic.  Heck, even now there's more non-mixer signatures than mixer stuff.  I'd bet my bottom dollar folks will keep on advertising in signatures and  well probably see more instant exchange services, decentralized exchanges, and stuff like that advertised instead.  Banning one thing doesn't get rid of people's drive to promote their biz.  It just redirects things a bit.

[Smartvirus]

Well, Theymos has given a grace period of one month, to wind up all these things including signature campaigns. Now the question comes whether we show respect to the theymos decision and remove our signatures as soon as possible for everyone benefit and to show that we respect the forum decisions or will you people will keep wearing the signatures till 31 December so that you earn every penny you can. Also it means that most users are not willing to let go mixers signatures as they keep them till the last seconds.

There is no point having to fast forward a rule that has been by designed to have its effect kicked off on the first of January. It’s clearly written on the news field and has got an active thread for it. I get it that, time zones might be different but, forum time stays UTC which would count towards this action and I see most of the users promoting a mixer at the time to be some of the smart ones in the forum, highly concerned with the safety and integrity of their user to note be conscious enough knowing the risk involved.

I would also hope to see some notifications be sent out by forum administrators to concerned users as well as managers in the event that they get carried away by the festivity and I see the forum playing some rule in having some of these threads archived amongst other means of repose.

Until the appointed time draws near, there isn’t a need to hasten up what would be. Who knows, we could have a change to the decision!

[Pandu Geddon]

The same challenge goes to the campaign managers to announce this or this current week as the last one to wind up things  (in favor and agreeing to theymos) or still be willing to go till the last week of December

This decision will of course come down to the platform developer and campaign manager. so there will be discussions taking place. especially for those who have deposited funds in escrow. whether to continue or have to stop immediately and return the funds that have been in escrow.
It's certainly a difficult decision to make. but the forum had already decided before the forum could be found guilty because it was said to be supporting problematic mixing. because when a mixer has a problem and is stopped, it doesn't take long for there to be a new mixer.

[digaran]

Mixer campaigns might be popular, but they're not the only fish in the sea.  People make it sound like banning Mixer sigs will totally wreck the forum ecosystem.  That seems pretty overdramatic.  Heck, even now there's more non-mixer signatures than mixer stuff.  I'd bet my bottom dollar folks will keep on advertising in signatures and  well probably see more instant exchange services, decentralized exchanges, and stuff like that advertised instead.  Banning one thing doesn't get rid of people's drive to promote their biz.  It just redirects things a bit.

This has nothing to do with forum economy, I don't give a single sat if there is no economy at all, only God provides.
Nobody is going to actually die even if this forum is shut down.
The whole point is to fight against oppression, whether theymos or governments, what is important is to know where people draw the line to fight or back down.

We are asking nothing out of the norms, just tell us how are you going to moderate such a forum? Read the first post in the announcement thread, tell me how is that even possible to moderate?

Not to mention, he is now violating his own country's laws by doing this, so what kind of a community are we? When the admin doesn't obey US laws just in fear of unknown implications in the future? Are we going to break the rules to show that we are obedient to the rules?

Edit: lol I posted in a wrong thread.😂

[EarnOnVictor]

Now the question comes whether we show respect to the theymos decision and remove our signatures as soon as possible for everyone benefit and to show that we respect the forum decisions or will you people will keep wearing the signatures till 31 December so that you earn every penny you can. Also it means that most users are not willing to let go mixers signatures as they keep them till the last seconds.

The same challenge goes to the campaign managers to announce this or this current week as the last one to wind up things  (in favor and agreeing to theymos) or still be willing to go till the last week of December

I believe the decision might be in agreement or disagreement with that of theymos before anyone could decide it.

If I agree with him, that's when I can be thinking of letting the signature go even before the stipulated time. And by agreeing with him, I must have had my displeasure on the campaign too that made me not want to have anything to do with such a signature again. You know we people think differently and have different integrity. But for me, I would most likely have dropped the signature immediately, though I judge no one as there's still a grace when all must drop it, so if their conscience doesn't prick them, they are free to continue to wear it until forced to drop it.

But those whose view doesn't align with that of theymos, of course, will keep it until the 1st of January, 2024 when the system will render it useless.

[wallet4bitcoin]

No one is getting tagged fraudulent or banned or getting a negative trust rating for still having a Mixer signature. It does not violate forum policy nor rules and it isn't a thing of crime in the real world, why would one do away with his signature?

I see no reason why grace period should not be 'enjoyed' till its over. Anyone can continue with his signature campaign till the time appointed to get it stopped

[arabspaceship123]

You aren't part of sig campaigns so would you've resigned from if you were earning each week?

If theymos hasn't called for it why're you questioning his decision. There isn't legal pressure on him to take this step or else it would've halted immediately. He's given a grace period to unwind. You could've asked in the same topic. You've started a topic on something it doesn't deserve discussion.

Now the question comes whether we show respect to the theymos decision and remove our signatures as soon as possible

To avoid disruption, there will be a grace period: Nothing will change until Jan 1, 2024.

[GeorgeJohn]

Well, we all know that Mixers Signatures will be ended by 1st  Jan 2024. There are new rules being imposed regarding promoting mixers on this forum.

Well, Theymos has given a grace period of one month, to wind up all these things including signature campaigns. Now the question comes whether we show respect to the theymos decision and remove our signatures as soon as possible for everyone benefit and to show that we respect the forum decisions or will you people will keep wearing the signatures till 31 December so that you earn every penny you can. Also it means that most users are not willing to let go mixers signatures as they keep them till the last seconds.

The same challenge goes to the campaign managers to announce this or this current week as the last one to wind up things  (in favor and agreeing to theymos) or still be willing to go till the last week of December

This forum have controller and theymos is the existing controller of the forum, so I believe that no signature campaign or participants will disobey the order of theymos, by January first as it instructed many people who is promoting mixer will remove their avatar, remember theymos said in January if you post on behalf of mixer by January you will get ban but the post you make this year 2023 with mixers promotion will not lead you to ban. So their is no authority that is higher than theymos and what he did is right because he wants the interest of the forum.

[Adbitco]

We don't have to repeat this anymore and already the post has been pinned and anyone who is wearing mixers should be able to remain submissive to the forum as theymos has given instructions, before 1 January 2024 and if your signature still exist then you are likely to get ban because it was given a grace of 4 weeks without immediately shorting down all operation of mixers so this duration is enough for you to decide to remove it or not. Removing it before the due date shows a solid respect to the forum and only to Theymos but also for the love we shares commonly on the forum so whatever theymos says should be obeyed and honored.

[tread93]

We as the citizens of planet earth promise you to milk every possible  signature revenue to the last milliseconds allowed and will not forfeit our rights. 😂 

That comment of yours sent me rolling on the floor. But of course, milk all possibilities oh thee citizen of planet earth 😂

Me as well hahahaha this is so great. Milk whatever you can out of it for as long as possible. But the good thing about this is that there are plenty of campaigns that aren't mixers that are just gambling sites that can be used, like the one shown below   

[philipma1957]

Well, we all know that Mixers Signatures will be ended by 1st  Jan 2024. There are new rules being imposed regarding promoting mixers on this forum.

Well, Theymos has given a grace period of one month, to wind up all these things including signature campaigns. Now the question comes whether we show respect to the theymos decision and remove our signatures as soon as possible for everyone benefit and to show that we respect the forum decisions or will you people will keep wearing the signatures till 31 December so that you earn every penny you can. Also it means that most users are not willing to let go mixers signatures as they keep them till the last seconds.

The same challenge goes to the campaign managers to announce this or this current week as the last one to wind up things  (in favor and agreeing to theymos) or still be willing to go till the last week of December

I was prepaid six months and I sent back almost all that coin to tumbler

I wont reveal my loss but it was over 500 a month for six months.

I sent more than have the coin back my loss was in the thousands.

I could send the small amount back and stop this signature.

But my position is mixers are a tool a hammer is a tool a chainsaw is a tool.

tools can be good or bad.

I used my signature funds to donate to three forum members. and to a mempool tracker

talk img developer see thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5450546.0
mempool  info developer  see link https://mempool.jhoenicke.de/#BTC,24h,weight
history of btc author see thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5469588.0
difficulty prediction give away. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5431167.msg63146483#msg63146483

I will continue to run this signature until dec 31

unless theymos pms me or posts me to end it.

I will also do some more donations to the links above.

[Mpamaegbu]

No banning of discussing Bitcoin services.

We can discuss gay porn, and porn in general, but we can't discuss a Bitcoin service?

Come to think of it, you're right. It's just sad we don't know what the outcome of theymos' directive will be going forward or if he was pressured into taking such a decision. This is Bitcointalk, a forum that prides itself on discussing issues related to bitcoin and its decentralized and anonymous nature. Mixers tend to capture that nature.

I will also do some more donations to the links above.

Frankly, I feel touched by your level of philanthropy and wish the ban on mixers here didn't happen. No doubt, I know you will get another campaign as a quality poster that you're but it seems mixer campaigns are the highest paying ones and can easily allow you cover more donations. It takes a person of great mind to give to others. Ride on!

[DVlog]

Thymos gave us a chance to wear it till 31 dec and the rules will be implemented from 1jan for no one is violating any rules here. If wearing the signature until 31dec let you think that its a challenge and if not wearing it respect then it is up to you. Many people depend on the signature so they are not thinking about any challenges or respect here.