Gambling and Behavioral Change!!!

[junder]

When your gambling activity affect your emotion too much, that's not a good sign and I think you should stop for a while.
Evaluate yourself especially your gambling activity, why it can change your emotion because I think your emotion is changed like 180° means that you lost something that more than you should.
If you have better limit on how much to lose, I dont think your emotion will change that much.
I cant deny that I was like you when I was still in my early gambling journey, luckily experiences teach me a lot and I can learn from it.

Gambling can really affect us, where we can become overly emotional because the gambling we do is not in accordance with our own expectations, gambling will result in defeats more often than wins, and if we cannot accept the reality of the fact that we will lose more often then It's clear that it can trigger our emotions, it's true what you said, we should stop for a moment to calm our minds and calm our emotions, because gambling done with emotions will trigger big losses and everything will become a mess. It's not surprising that many people get emotional about the gambling they do because they themselves can't respond to gambling properly.

That's good, having experience and learning from experiences that have already happened is a good thing, because by having that experience we can learn lessons from it, and maybe those who are addicted to gambling can stop if they have experienced something that is true. it slapped them so much that they realized not to gamble excessively, and could learn from the thing that slapped them.

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[Westinhome]

The gambler who loss the money not all the gamblers was get into the sad mood.Because the new gambler consider it as their experience based gambling,the gambler who had experience and loss after the experience only hate the gamblers.Because they had loss some dollars already in the game to earn the knowledge.If they keep the money loss after the experience means,it’s like they not responsible enough to play the gambling.Such irresponsible gambler should pause their game in the gambling,because the gambler who keep loss of their money is like they going backwards in few years back in their life.The loss will make the gamblers to loss their money and allow them to get more loan from their friends.But when they ask for the loan with the friends they will understand the real friends most of the time.If one speak more sweet doesn’t mean they are your friend,only when they help you at the emergency means they are your real friend.Don’t keep huge friends in your list,keep some few friends who help you at the hard time must be important and specially for the gamblers.

[Cryptoprincess101]

Does any of feel behavioral change in you based on the win/loss in gambling. Myself had experienced it, and personally I used to be happy and I used to be polite with my family members and kid whenever I am on profit. On the day of losing it changes exactly in the opposite way, even for simple things I get much anger. Particularly while giving food to kid patience is must. On winning days I let him take his own time and eat. On the losing days I used to shout at him. I'm addicted, and I want fellow gamblers to make a self analysis at regular interval and be on the safer side.

This attitude is very common among gamblers as some persons can even become aggressive when they are experiencing losses then in a case of winning they become so happy as some of them can even share part of the winnings with other gamblers around them, gambling shouldn't be played with emotions whether you win or not and one shouldn't be too emotionally attached to gambling such that any outcome of it would affect the gambler.

[zuzie]

Yeah, it's the best solution for him to re-assess whatever mistake he made during that failed session, instead of pushing his way to keep playing and most of the time the outcome will be against him, you need to be wise to keep that emotion and treatment towards your gambling participation, having that kind of understanding will let you to keep yourself in shape.

By introspecting ourselves on the mistakes we have made before, this will certainly motivate us to be more careful in every decision and action we take in the future. For wise and responsible gamblers, have good thinking because opportunity does not come a second time and this can be applied in gambling so that we remain consistent in maintaining good control.

[ethereumhunter]

Yeah, it's the best solution for him to re-assess whatever mistake he made during that failed session, instead of pushing his way to keep playing and most of the time the outcome will be against him, you need to be wise to keep that emotion and treatment towards your gambling participation, having that kind of understanding will let you to keep yourself in shape.

By introspecting ourselves on the mistakes we have made before, this will certainly motivate us to be more careful in every decision and action we take in the future. For wise and responsible gamblers, have good thinking because opportunity does not come a second time and this can be applied in gambling so that we remain consistent in maintaining good control.

He can check any mistake he made to know how to fix it, and it needs patience to search for the way to change himself not to be like that when he lost in gambling. That's normal if someone behaviours change  based on what he faced but doesn't mean someone will still be like that, especially if that person realize that his bad behaviours made him feel guilty about what he made before. That's why awareness is necessary needed for every people, whether they are gamble or not gambling to do something because that can make other people feels not comfortable with him. Introspecting ourselves purposes to know and identify the mistakes so we can fix and change to have a better person. If we can do that, we can suppress our emotion not to doing anything that can make us feel bad after we realize.

[swogerino]

Yeah, it's the best solution for him to re-assess whatever mistake he made during that failed session, instead of pushing his way to keep playing and most of the time the outcome will be against him, you need to be wise to keep that emotion and treatment towards your gambling participation, having that kind of understanding will let you to keep yourself in shape.

By introspecting ourselves on the mistakes we have made before, this will certainly motivate us to be more careful in every decision and action we take in the future. For wise and responsible gamblers, have good thinking because opportunity does not come a second time and this can be applied in gambling so that we remain consistent in maintaining good control.

That does not always work well.No more than last week as it is exactly from that time that I haven't gambled I started playing with minimum bet of Idr 200 and buying bonus 20.000 Idr and the game Rabbit Garden started giving me great x100 x250 and sometimes x500 multipliers but on level one not on the upper levels which x500 could have been a max win.I got carried away and raised the bet,boom over 2 million IDR gone within minutes,so my advice to anyone is never raise the bet after you win some.

[harapan]

Does any of feel behavioral change in you based on the win/loss in gambling. Myself had experienced it, and personally I used to be happy and I used to be polite with my family members and kid whenever I am on profit. On the day of losing it changes exactly in the opposite way, even for simple things I get much anger. Particularly while giving food to kid patience is must. On winning days I let him take his own time and eat. On the losing days I used to shout at him. I'm addicted, and I want fellow gamblers to make a self analysis at regular interval and be on the safer side.

Behavioural change is one is one characteristic of a gambling addiction and it tends to be visible when you have gone deep in the game.
Sometimes it makes you look like someone that has Lost his senses.
It makes you vulnerable and violent in the society as well,if you discover this earlier,the better for you to make amends and turn a new leaf.
I'm glad your trying to observe such characteristic,so it's high time you know the best steps to take,if you don't you might loose everything including the family you have raised so far,and sometimes your kids might be far from you for life because of how harsh you're being to them cause of your losses.
What you do is limits how much time you spend in the casinos,cause being in that environment for so long will energise that behavioral change to start manifesting.

[EarnOnVictor]

Does any of feel behavioral change in you based on the win/loss in gambling. Myself had experienced it, and personally I used to be happy and I used to be polite with my family members and kid whenever I am on profit. On the day of losing it changes exactly in the opposite way, even for simple things I get much anger. Particularly while giving food to kid patience is must. On winning days I let him take his own time and eat. On the losing days I used to shout at him. I'm addicted, and I want fellow gamblers to make a self analysis at regular interval and be on the safer side.

This attitude is very common among gamblers as some persons can even become aggressive when they are experiencing losses then in a case of winning they become so happy as some of them can even share part of the winnings with other gamblers around them, gambling shouldn't be played with emotions whether you win or not and one shouldn't be too emotionally attached to gambling such that any outcome of it would affect the gambler.

I share in your view, and since we are humans, human feelings will always tell on us, especially when we lose or gain money. It's however the feeling of joy when it is positive, but when it is negative, the feelings have always been bad. To the extent that people around us would know that something is going on with us. This is the part I do not like about the whole thing, we should learn how to control ourselves regardless of how we feel. Well, I am not perfect, but as a father and husband, I've trained myself not to be ugly in reaction and aggression around my family no matter the situation. I do show excitement when I win, especially when I win big in trading to the point that I wouldn't be able to hide the feelings even if I wanted to. But if it is the other way around, I do not show it. This is possible because I fight it, it could show a little bit by it will take a very sensitive person to know between my usual time and that time.

That's how I believe we should react after gambling outcomes, we should never allow gambling to change our behaviour. Think of it, whether the outcome is good or bad, can we change it back? That's why we should let go when it is negative but always only risk the money that will not hurt us while gambling to make it easier for us. For me, I do not even feel it when I gamble, maybe it's because trading has taken the whole of the space for my emotions and reactions. I feel trading in all senses, maybe it's because I see more light to make money in there than in gambling. This could have been what's helping me to feel less of strange behaviour in gambling.

[AVE5]

Most of us gamblers probaly have experience that, but it's a bad attitude mate, it's like we aren't good in accepting our losses and that we would involve other people with our disappointment in gambling. It normally happen when we aren't gambling for entertainment only and we do risk money more than our budget, I would not use "money you can affor to lose", as there are times you can afford to lose the money you are gambling but it's already out of your budge, so in the end, it will have a big effect on your emotion.

You are right. Your gambling emotions reflects only when you have a personal motive towards your gambling and you must have been staking above what you can afford to loose.
The Op is being overwhelmed by his winnings and his losts so, whatever outcome he gets from the gambling is being related to his emotional actions.
If only you can stake with what you can afford to loose, either your excitements or your aggressive emotions in your casual life wouldn't be associated with your gambling life talk more of involving your family out of it.

[Fredomago]

Yeah, it's the best solution for him to re-assess whatever mistake he made during that failed session, instead of pushing his way to keep playing and most of the time the outcome will be against him, you need to be wise to keep that emotion and treatment towards your gambling participation, having that kind of understanding will let you to keep yourself in shape.

By introspecting ourselves on the mistakes we have made before, this will certainly motivate us to be more careful in every decision and action we take in the future. For wise and responsible gamblers, have good thinking because opportunity does not come a second time and this can be applied in gambling so that we remain consistent in maintaining good control.

He can check any mistake he made to know how to fix it, and it needs patience to search for the way to change himself not to be like that when he lost in gambling. That's normal if someone behaviours change  based on what he faced but doesn't mean someone will still be like that, especially if that person realize that his bad behaviours made him feel guilty about what he made before. That's why awareness is necessary needed for every people, whether they are gamble or not gambling to do something because that can make other people feels not comfortable with him. Introspecting ourselves purposes to know and identify the mistakes so we can fix and change to have a better person. If we can do that, we can suppress our emotion not to doing anything that can make us feel bad after we realize.

If we can adjust well then yes it can be done, more on your self reflection and how to find the best adjustment that will work for your attitude towards gambling, like what I've said, re-evaluate yourself and think about that previous mistake in order for you to bring the right strategy when you think that you are ready again to play the game, though not all can do that and will just repeat the same mistake and the sure thing is it will affect his attitude and his behavior especially when the person is on the losing streak.

Most of us gamblers probaly have experience that, but it's a bad attitude mate, it's like we aren't good in accepting our losses and that we would involve other people with our disappointment in gambling. It normally happen when we aren't gambling for entertainment only and we do risk money more than our budget, I would not use "money you can affor to lose", as there are times you can afford to lose the money you are gambling but it's already out of your budge, so in the end, it will have a big effect on your emotion.

You are right. Your gambling emotions reflects only when you have a personal motive towards your gambling and you must have been staking above what you can afford to loose.
The Op is being overwhelmed by his winnings and his losts so, whatever outcome he gets from the gambling is being related to his emotional actions.
If only you can stake with what you can afford to loose, either your excitements or your aggressive emotions in your casual life wouldn't be associated with your gambling life talk more of involving your family out of it.

Yeah right, whatever the outcome it reflects to his atitude how he takes the result of his gambling reflects to his mood in each time he play the game, controlling your emotion is very important as it's also your key to avoid losing huge amount of money.

[zuzie]

He can check any mistake he made to know how to fix it, and it needs patience to search for the way to change himself not to be like that when he lost in gambling. That's normal if someone behaviours change  based on what he faced but doesn't mean someone will still be like that, especially if that person realize that his bad behaviours made him feel guilty about what he made before. That's why awareness is necessary needed for every people, whether they are gamble or not gambling to do something because that can make other people feels not comfortable with him. Introspecting ourselves purposes to know and identify the mistakes so we can fix and change to have a better person. If we can do that, we can suppress our emotion not to doing anything that can make us feel bad after we realize.

Only the people closest to him will judge that he has experienced a change in his behavior so far and perhaps the people closest to him will try to advise the gambler so that he tries to be patient and aware of the mistakes he has made before. and if gamblers can receive advice from other people then they will learn to introspect themselves so that in the future they can behave well again.

That does not always work well.No more than last week as it is exactly from that time that I haven't gambled I started playing with minimum bet of Idr 200 and buying bonus 20.000 Idr and the game Rabbit Garden started giving me great x100 x250 and sometimes x500 multipliers but on level one not on the upper levels which x500 could have been a max win.I got carried away and raised the bet,boom over 2 million IDR gone within minutes,so my advice to anyone is never raise the bet after you win some.

Success or failure depends on how the gambler does it well and correctly or not.
If the gambler is confident that he can do it then there is a big chance that the result will be successful, but if the gambler is still in doubt and can still be tempted by what he sees in the casino then there is a big chance that the result will be successful. won't work. be a successful person.
With what you have experienced, of course this can provide good motivation for gamblers not to add more bets when they have won, because the temptation in the casino is very strong so we have to have strong control too so that we can control ourselves so we don't do it. tempted by him. every round of gambling there.

[kotajikikox]

Yeah, it's the best solution for him to re-assess whatever mistake he made during that failed session, instead of pushing his way to keep playing and most of the time the outcome will be against him, you need to be wise to keep that emotion and treatment towards your gambling participation, having that kind of understanding will let you to keep yourself in shape.

By introspecting ourselves on the mistakes we have made before, this will certainly motivate us to be more careful in every decision and action we take in the future. For wise and responsible gamblers, have good thinking because opportunity does not come a second time and this can be applied in gambling so that we remain consistent in maintaining good control.

Mistakes is the best teacher , but that is we know how to admit it and use to be our guidance in next decisioning because there are mistakes that have been used as bitted way and instead of admittance being used to be in negative ways.
Gamblers must know when to stop and when to start , and also know how much to lose and how much to win and that is what being responsible means.

[ethereumhunter]

If we can adjust well then yes it can be done, more on your self reflection and how to find the best adjustment that will work for your attitude towards gambling, like what I've said, re-evaluate yourself and think about that previous mistake in order for you to bring the right strategy when you think that you are ready again to play the game, though not all can do that and will just repeat the same mistake and the sure thing is it will affect his attitude and his behavior especially when the person is on the losing streak.

That's why we must introspect ourselves related to our gambling activity to check what we have done and fix the mistake that we made. With realizing what the mistakes can make us become better gamblers that is not just chase the win or recover the lost, but we will just playing gambling without excessively. We know the consequences of gambling excessively that can change our behaviour and breaking the rule and limits that we made before. We don't want to get more trouble because of gambling excessively and will try to use gambling as an entertainment.

Only the people closest to him will judge that he has experienced a change in his behavior so far and perhaps the people closest to him will try to advise the gambler so that he tries to be patient and aware of the mistakes he has made before. and if gamblers can receive advice from other people then they will learn to introspect themselves so that in the future they can behave well again.

His closest people can realize his change in his behavior but without an openness and admitting from the gambler, they can't ask or getting close to him. They could only watch from far and wait for the gambler's reaction. If the gambler doesn't say anything, they will still watch out but sometimes they will ask the gambler if everything is okay or not. I guess his closest people will react based on the situation and if necessary, they can try to getting close and talk to the gambler to find out for more. They hope the gambler can receive advice from them and try to introspect himself.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

Gambling can really affect us, where we can become overly emotional because the gambling we do is not in accordance with our own expectations, gambling will result in defeats more often than wins, and if we cannot accept the reality of the fact that we will lose more often then It's clear that it can trigger our emotions, it's true what you said, we should stop for a moment to calm our minds and calm our emotions, because gambling done with emotions will trigger big losses and everything will become a mess. It's not surprising that many people get emotional about the gambling they do because they themselves can't respond to gambling properly.

You can further discover how many will be gambling and transferring of the aggression in it on other people around them maybe because they are not winning and they are getting more annoyed with that, those around them will be affected because they will not be given attention to, instead they are more likely to begin to see the anger side of them all because of gambling loss, we have to deal with the way we behave while gambling, we must not put pressure on all things that much as if our life depends on it and we forget about the relation we have with the people around.

[Rabata]

Yeah, it's the best solution for him to re-assess whatever mistake he made during that failed session, instead of pushing his way to keep playing and most of the time the outcome will be against him, you need to be wise to keep that emotion and treatment towards your gambling participation, having that kind of understanding will let you to keep yourself in shape.

By introspecting ourselves on the mistakes we have made before, this will certainly motivate us to be more careful in every decision and action we take in the future. For wise and responsible gamblers, have good thinking because opportunity does not come a second time and this can be applied in gambling so that we remain consistent in maintaining good control.

Mistakes is the best teacher , but that is we know how to admit it and use to be our guidance in next decisioning because there are mistakes that have been used as bitted way and instead of admittance being used to be in negative ways.
Gamblers must know when to stop and when to start , and also know how much to lose and how much to win and that is what being responsible means.

When the gambler has an overall idea of his gambling he can control it. A gambler can exercise self-control if he can pause his gambling at any time, regardless of his condition. Unless the gambler knows when and under what circumstances to stop, or can control himself at that point, even if he wins from gambling, he will fail to keep the winnings. In gambling many may win but not everyone can keep the winnings. I think self-control is a good quality of the gambler. Those who possess such characteristics must be able to engage in responsible gambling.

[Fredomago]

If we can adjust well then yes it can be done, more on your self reflection and how to find the best adjustment that will work for your attitude towards gambling, like what I've said, re-evaluate yourself and think about that previous mistake in order for you to bring the right strategy when you think that you are ready again to play the game, though not all can do that and will just repeat the same mistake and the sure thing is it will affect his attitude and his behavior especially when the person is on the losing streak.

That's why we must introspect ourselves related to our gambling activity to check what we have done and fix the mistake that we made. With realizing what the mistakes can make us become better gamblers that is not just chase the win or recover the lost, but we will just playing gambling without excessively. We know the consequences of gambling excessively that can change our behaviour and breaking the rule and limits that we made before. We don't want to get more trouble because of gambling excessively and will try to use gambling as an entertainment.

Once you made that adjustment, the chance of having stable attitude towards gambling can be achieved, I like the idea of maintaining what you can afford to let go and not to exceed as it can be the start of losing your control and being dominated by your emotion, if you can limit your gambling and treat things accordingly, there's no need to change mood each time you end your sessions.

Only the people closest to him will judge that he has experienced a change in his behavior so far and perhaps the people closest to him will try to advise the gambler so that he tries to be patient and aware of the mistakes he has made before. and if gamblers can receive advice from other people then they will learn to introspect themselves so that in the future they can behave well again.

His closest people can realize his change in his behavior but without an openness and admitting from the gambler, they can't ask or getting close to him. They could only watch from far and wait for the gambler's reaction. If the gambler doesn't say anything, they will still watch out but sometimes they will ask the gambler if everything is okay or not. I guess his closest people will react based on the situation and if necessary, they can try to getting close and talk to the gambler to find out for more. They hope the gambler can receive advice from them and try to introspect himself.

Hoping that the person will listen and follow whatever they've observe that's needed to be change, those close people that's sorround the person will be an additional key not to fall into addiction, just need to take the advise as positive criticizm and help himself to adjust or quit away if it's needed.

[Quidat]

Yeah, it's the best solution for him to re-assess whatever mistake he made during that failed session, instead of pushing his way to keep playing and most of the time the outcome will be against him, you need to be wise to keep that emotion and treatment towards your gambling participation, having that kind of understanding will let you to keep yourself in shape.

By introspecting ourselves on the mistakes we have made before, this will certainly motivate us to be more careful in every decision and action we take in the future. For wise and responsible gamblers, have good thinking because opportunity does not come a second time and this can be applied in gambling so that we remain consistent in maintaining good control.

Mistakes is the best teacher , but that is we know how to admit it and use to be our guidance in next decisioning because there are mistakes that have been used as bitted way and instead of admittance being used to be in negative ways.
Gamblers must know when to stop and when to start , and also know how much to lose and how much to win and that is what being responsible means.

When the gambler has an overall idea of his gambling he can control it. A gambler can exercise self-control if he can pause his gambling at any time, regardless of his condition. Unless the gambler knows when and under what circumstances to stop, or can control himself at that point, even if he wins from gambling, he will fail to keep the winnings. In gambling many may win but not everyone can keep the winnings. I think self-control is a good quality of the gambler. Those who possess such characteristics must be able to engage in responsible gambling.

Self control would be the key but not all people would really be having that kind of control towards themselves on the time that they do gamble since not everyone is really that prepared when it comes on losing money in gambling. People do play for the sake of money and not for the sake of leisure and this is the biggest mistake that they do have since from the beginning. If you do find yourself
playing up with these kind of terms and mindsets then you are already doing it wrong from the start and sooner or later you would really be finding yourself committing mistakes and errors due to
wrong decisions that you've been applying which arent supposed to be on this way because gambling was really that meant for leisure and not for money making.

[rozak]

Hoping that the person will listen and follow whatever they've observe that's needed to be change, those close people that's sorround the person will be an additional key not to fall into addiction, just need to take the advise as positive criticizm and help himself to adjust or quit away if it's needed.

Acceptance of other people's advice from gamblers also depends on the personality of the gambling addict himself. Some people are easy to approach or conversely, some people find it very difficult to accept advice from other people, even those closest to them.
I see that some gambling addicts are difficult to advise. Telling them about their outrageous activities in gambling will only fuel the fire of quarrels. sometimes we just need to pay attention to them and approach them when they need advice.

[Rufsilf]

Yeah, it's the best solution for him to re-assess whatever mistake he made during that failed session, instead of pushing his way to keep playing and most of the time the outcome will be against him, you need to be wise to keep that emotion and treatment towards your gambling participation, having that kind of understanding will let you to keep yourself in shape.

By introspecting ourselves on the mistakes we have made before, this will certainly motivate us to be more careful in every decision and action we take in the future. For wise and responsible gamblers, have good thinking because opportunity does not come a second time and this can be applied in gambling so that we remain consistent in maintaining good control.

Mistakes is the best teacher , but that is we know how to admit it and use to be our guidance in next decisioning because there are mistakes that have been used as bitted way and instead of admittance being used to be in negative ways.
Gamblers must know when to stop and when to start , and also know how much to lose and how much to win and that is what being responsible means.

When the gambler has an overall idea of his gambling he can control it. A gambler can exercise self-control if he can pause his gambling at any time, regardless of his condition. Unless the gambler knows when and under what circumstances to stop, or can control himself at that point, even if he wins from gambling, he will fail to keep the winnings. In gambling many may win but not everyone can keep the winnings. I think self-control is a good quality of the gambler. Those who possess such characteristics must be able to engage in responsible gambling.

Self control would be the key but not all people would really be having that kind of control towards themselves on the time that they do gamble since not everyone is really that prepared when it comes on losing money in gambling. People do play for the sake of money and not for the sake of leisure and this is the biggest mistake that they do have since from the beginning. If you do find yourself
playing up with these kind of terms and mindsets then you are already doing it wrong from the start and sooner or later you would really be finding yourself committing mistakes and errors due to
wrong decisions that you've been applying which arent supposed to be on this way because gambling was really that meant for leisure and not for money making.

I don't think I can agree with this since, of course, we should have an understanding of how our lives will be affected by our gambling activities before we gamble and make that decision. Even if the outcome is uncertain and we might be at our lowest point, I think you should be ready for what is about to happen if you solely bet for financial gain as compared to gambling for enjoyable activities.
 
I mean, as a gambler, you should be reminded and know the risks involved, because when you just go beyond your limit, gambling can make you emotionally intense and it can break your mind.

[junder]

Gambling can really affect us, where we can become overly emotional because the gambling we do is not in accordance with our own expectations, gambling will result in defeats more often than wins, and if we cannot accept the reality of the fact that we will lose more often then It's clear that it can trigger our emotions, it's true what you said, we should stop for a moment to calm our minds and calm our emotions, because gambling done with emotions will trigger big losses and everything will become a mess. It's not surprising that many people get emotional about the gambling they do because they themselves can't respond to gambling properly.

You can further discover how many will be gambling and transferring of the aggression in it on other people around them maybe because they are not winning and they are getting more annoyed with that, those around them will be affected because they will not be given attention to, instead they are more likely to begin to see the anger side of them all because of gambling loss, we have to deal with the way we behave while gambling, we must not put pressure on all things that much as if our life depends on it and we forget about the relation we have with the people around.

Of course, if they are addicted to gambling it is because they are wrong to respond to gambling and with their wrong response to gambling it can trigger their emotions to peak because they tend not to be able to accept defeat and that should not happen, with the obvious fact that defeat is certain to occur, it should be possible to accept defeat properly, not to have a grudge because of the defeat in gambling. Obviously people who cannot accept their defeat will be upset when they don't win, because their goal of gambling is the victory that must be obtained.

Therefore, we must be able to deal with the way we behave when gambling, including being able to accept the defeat that will certainly occur. It's true what you said, depending on gambling is not right. It is not the right thing to do if we depend on gambling that will only bring disaster.