Ratimov sold his account

[Shenanigan]

I believe that from now on, the detectives on this forum will get down to work to find out which is true and which is false, whether Ratimov sold his account or not.

I can imagine how these detectives will be disgraced and fall into a trap if they also base their accusations on assumptions, if it turns out that Ratimov was actually not selling his account.

Then Ratimov will have every right to open a counter-charge of libel.

There is no need to throw around empty accusations. People tend to change

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[dkbit98]

If this is true, it leaves only one question: why would anyone buy such a high-profile account? Maybe that's the reason he stopped posting in English too, but if the account changed owner, that can't go unnoticed.
Imagine someone else using my account: how long would it last before it's exposed? I hope it doesn't even take a day!

I don't know if you know this, but high profile accounts with positive feedback are very valuable and can be sold/purchased for a lot of money.
Maybe that is the reason why he changed his username recently and sold it with new name instead of old Ratimov, to try and cover the tracks.
This transactions all be done outside of bitcointalk forum, so nobody would have any proof that he did anything.

[CryptoPravda]

There is no need to throw around empty accusations. People tend to change

People do not change in a few weeks. He lost memory?


He was a major investigator at the Russian Local. Of course you will not find direct evidence.
He investigated hundreds of bots.
He knew very well how to sell best, without traces.

[LoyceV]

I don't know if you know this, but high profile accounts with positive feedback are very valuable and can be sold/purchased for a lot of money.

Positive feedback has no value if the account gets tagged. I'd expect less high profile accounts to be able to stay under the radar longer. Just like claiming to be John Arnold will alert less people than claiming to be Bill Gates.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I believe that from now on, the detectives on this forum will get down to work to find out which is true and which is false, whether Ratimov sold his account or not.

I can imagine how these detectives will be disgraced and fall into a trap if they also base their accusations on assumptions, if it turns out that Ratimov was actually not selling his account.

Then Ratimov will have every right to open a counter-charge of libel.

There is no need to throw around empty accusations. People tend to change

Well, I did say it in my comment that, it is completely wrong for one to use assumptions alone as a deciding factor, most especially, when another user's reputation is involved.
Reputation on this forum, to me, is a commodity that is very expensive, so one should never try to carelessly destroy another user's reputation out of assumptions, it is completely wrong.

And speaking of who will be disgraced and who will not, it's way too early to judge, leave it all to time, time will tell who is right and who is wrong, let time be the judge, whatever is hidden surely comes in the open with time.

There is no need to throw around empty accusations. People tend to change

People do not change in a few weeks. He lost memory?

And you are right, no matter a person changes, such changes doesn't happen in a week or in a month, and even at this, there is always traces back to their old self.

[stompix]

If this is true, it leaves only one question: why would anyone buy such a high-profile account?

I think too many focus on the buying thing, and that doesn't makes sense, he could have earned enough for signatures or private deals, far more than someone would offer to an account that would immediately fall under suspicion.
So let's say this is not Ratimov posting, that doesn't imply he has sold his account, he could have simply give it to a fried or a relative, and for me this would be the best course of action to someone who wants to cut ties with the forum, plus with this move he muddies the waters for everyone following him while still keeping the account over some sort of control.
OR! even better, he acts like he is not the same guy! 

Then Ratimov will have every right to open a counter-charge of libel.

Internet court of libel opens up on X at 4pm, don't forget to bring all the memes and tiktok clips as well as the sign petition from 4chan staff.

[dkbit98]

Positive feedback has no value if the account gets tagged. I'd expect less high profile accounts to be able to stay under the radar longer. Just like claiming to be John Arnold will alert less people than claiming to be Bill Gates.

For someone who looks at his account from outside, everything looks almost perfect.
They can see 17 positive and 2 neutral feedback, there is no negative and that is enough for most people.
I see no other reason why someone would change username and do so much effort in deleting bunch of stuff he wrote before, than for purpose to retire his account.



Let's wait and see what other members from Russian board will say, before we make any final conclusions.

[CryptoPravda]

OR! even better, he acts like he is not the same guy!  

The problem for him is that he wanted to appear to be Ratimov. But he did not study all interactions with users in the Russian locale.
How can it be that he is trying to communicate with one as with an old acquaintance?

Я лишь cкaзaл, чтo "пo 5-знaчнoмy цeнникy мнe битoк пoкyпaть нe интepecнo".
Paзницy мeждy этим мoим выcкaзывaниeм и cвoeй интepпpeтaциeй мoeгo выcкaзывaния ты лeгкo нaйдёшь caм, я нaдeюcь

Cнopк, нe бoишьcя oпять oкaзaтьcя в пoзиции пpoтив pынкa, кaк тoгдa в 2020 гoдy, гдe ты тaкжe cтaвил нa шopт и пpoпycтил вcё caмoe интepecнoe, xoтя пoтoм вcё жe кyпил, нo бoльшaя чacть вoзмoжнocтeй былa yпyщeнa.

Tы ждёшь 4-ёx знaчный цeнник нa зaкyп? Tы eгo мoжeшь дoждaтьcя, вoт тoлькo биткoин cнaчaлa мoжeт cxoдить нa нoвый ATH, a тoлькo пoтoм, cпycтя гoд-двa пpилeтeть , нaпpимep, нa 5к (чтo кpaйнe мaлoвepoятнo, a ты вooбщe ждёшь 2к).

Moжнo пoтoм пopaдoвaтьcя тoмy, чтo ты пpoдaл пo 30к и кyпил пo 5к, нo пepeд этим вcпoмнить, чтo ты пpocидeл в фиaтe, пoкa биткoин был пo 70к и вышe. Кaк вapиaнт.

and don’t remember the other one at all.

Tвoe cooбщeниe выглядит тaк, чтo ты xoчeшь пoкaзaтьcя peaльным Paтимoвым и кaк-бы знaeшь иcтopию c ним и xoчeшь этo пoкaзaть He пиcaл тaк Paтимoв, нe тoт cтиль. Ecли ты c ним дo cиx пop нa cвязи, ты пoпpocи eгo, чтoбы нeкoтopыe пocты oн пиcaл  

Eщe oдин икcпepд пo cтилю, пиздeц кaкoй-тo. Tы тeмy пepeпyтaл, зaгoн для eблaнoв тyт: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468454.0, тaм мoжeшь cвoи yмoзaключeния выcpaть, тeбя тaм выcлyшaют и пpимyт кaк poднoгo. Дaжe мoжeт пoxлoпaют, чeм eбaнyтee тeopия, тeм гpoмчe пoxлoпaют. Здecь пaцaны oбcyждaют биткoин, pынoк, пoнимaeшь, пoлитикa, peпyтaция и пpoчaя xyйню иди oбcyждaй в дpyгoм мecтe.

Haxyй пoшeл oтcюдa, чepт eбaный. Eблaн y тeбя в пacпopтe нapиcoвaн, пocмoтpи внимaтeльнo нa этo eбaлo и yяcни paз и нaвceгдa. Пиздeц кoнeчнo, eбaныx шизoфpeникoв c кaждым мecяцeм cтaнoвитcя вcё бoльшe и бoльшe, кyдa блять кaтимcя. Oчepeднoй дeгeнepaт пpипёpcя в тpeйдингoвый тoпик и пытaeтcя кaчaть зa peпyтaцию и мнe eщe ктo-тo тyт пытaeтcя paccкaзывaть, чтo здecь в пepвyю oчepeдь интepecyютcя зa кpиптy, пpocти, caтoши, мы вcё пpoeбaли. Дaжe тeймoc иcпopтилcя, чeгo yж гoвopить пpo ocтaльныx.

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Yes, I see this with standard settings.

[Plaguedeath]

He left the campaign but also immediately moved to another one with a probably better payment rate while making a private deal. And I believe that he got the offer because they were very satisfied with his reviews of the service.
So this can be a two-way speculation.

Oh well, you're correct. I didn't check his account anymore, but now he's already wear a paid signature.

The problem for him is that he wanted to appear to be Ratimov. But he did not study all interactions with users in the Russian locale.
How can it be that he is trying to communicate with one as with an old acquaintance?

I hope there are few old Russians willing to give their perspective about Symmetrick posting style, does his posting style changed or not especially users who were active to communicate with him.

[BabyBandit]

I talked with Ratimov from almost the first day of his appearance on the forum and with a probability of 90 percent I can say that Ratimov sold his account. I will sign in more detail if there is time, but attentive users can now study Ratimov account and confirm my thoughts.


I can be mistaken if, for example, Ratimov account was introduced by more than one person and after my statement he will again connect to writing messages. Or for example, he has a psychological disease where he lost his memory.

In recent messages talked with me as if we had never communicated before.But we had a lot of disputes and communication. Anyone for whom the native language is Russian will notice changes in the style of writing messages.These are not only my thoughts in Russian local.

Of course, this is not strong evidence, so I created a topic to attract the attention of more experienced users

Symmetrick deleted all his topics.
Symmetrick completely ignores the questions in Russian reputation and pretends that nothing is happening.

Speech is silver, silence is gold. This only make yourself look untrustworthy then somebody else. Why? Because the only thing everyone knows here for sure is that you don't know. You just guessing.. It's so unnecessary to create a thread like this if you not are 100% sure, you could just wait until you are sure it would be better for everyone.

[CryptoPravda]

I hope there are few old Russians willing to give their perspective about Symmetrick posting style, does his posting style changed or not especially users who were active to communicate with him.

He пpoдoлжит. Этo нe Paтимoв. Bпoлнe ceбe пpoшapeнный кpиптaн, нeмнoгo aгpeccивный, нo нe Paтимoв. У тoгo былa ничeм нe cдepживaeмaя жaждa coздaния кoнтeнтa. И в цeлoм oн был чyть бoлee вeжливым. Ha aгpeccию в ocнoвнoм пepexoдил пocлe тoгo, кaк пoлyчaл чтo-тo в cвoй aдpec. Пpocтo тaк oн нe вёл ceбя кaк Дeйcик, нaпpимep.
   Этo нe xopoшo и нe плoxo, этo пpocтo кoнcтaтaция фaктa. Жизнь идёт cвoи чepeдoм.

Google translate

Won't continue. This is not Ratimov. Quite a proficient cryptan, a little aggressive, but not Ratimov. He had an unbridled thirst for creating content. And overall he was a little more polite. He mostly switched to aggression after receiving something addressed to him. He just didn’t behave like Daisik, for example.
    This is neither good nor bad, it is simply a statement of fact. Life goes on as usual.

[rat03gopoh]

However, this is not enough proof (yet) to give anyone negative feedback for this.

(Possible) 2nd proof was presented in GazetaBitcoin's reply above. It reminds me of the case of red tagging who didn't respect the auction s/he was holding: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5348726.msg57602602#msg57602602

Comparing these cases, in the context they both show disrespect for auction/contest participants. However, I respect (old)Ratimov as someone the admin has trusted to be a meirt source. Talking about justice... I think it should have a different space especially after the account is really controlled by someone new.

[LoyceV]

So let's say this is not Ratimov posting, that doesn't imply he has sold his account, he could have simply give it to a fried or a relative

Would that make a difference for the Trust system when it comes to "account changed hands"?
That brings up a thought experiment: if I give my account to someone I personally know and trust, does my account deserve to be tagged? In a way, that means someone walks around with +30 only because I gave it to him, and I don't think that's supposed to happen. So even giving away the account can deserve negative feedback.

OR! even better, he acts like he is not the same guy!  

Maybe it's plausible deniability for tax purposes?

[Shenanigan]

LOL. How Ratimov can sold his account if there is no username Ratimov at the forum

Try this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist;sa=search

This is a results:

~Ratimov                     Brand new   2020-01-08   0   
Offline   Ratimov2                     Brand new   2020-11-01   0   
Offline   Ratimov_SCAM                     Brand new   2021-01-01   0   
Offline   Maxim Ratimov                     Brand new   2020-01-28   0   
Offline   RatimovGandon                     Brand new   2020-11-01   0   
Offline   RatimovGandonn                     Brand new   2023-12-02   0   
Offline   Congratulations Ratimov                     Brand new   2022-03-10   0   
Offline   Congratulations Ratimov.                                                  Brand new   2022-03-10   0

[CryptSafe]

Writing mere statements can not be a proof that what you claimed happened really happened but backing up your claims with facts can actually sustain your claims here. I have read through and there is no difference from what each and every one responder has said, OP for you claims to be really taken seriously, there must be some proof otherwise it will be a null and void scenario.
I believe this is a thing of speculation and on assumption basis for which OP is working with.

[CryptoPravda]

Writing mere statements can not be a proof that what you claimed happened really happened but backing up your claims with facts can actually sustain your claims here. I have read through and there is no difference from what each and every one responder has said, OP for you claims to be really taken seriously, there must be some proof otherwise it will be a null and void scenario.
I believe this is a thing of speculation and on assumption basis for which OP is working with.

You can't prove it directly. He caught sellers and knows all the nuances.

Perhaps admin can look at the ip he used previously and the browsers he used. Although, the previous owner could have transferred the VPN or said which one he used.

[Rikafip]

Oh gawd, Ratimov related drama keep going on...

You can't prove it directly. He caught sellers and knows all the nuances.

He maybe knows all the nuances but if what you are saying is true and another person took control of his account, that person will most likely slip, sooner or later.

Of course, this is not strong evidence, so I created a topic to attract the attention of more experienced users

Since he is currently only active in your local board, none of us here who don't speak Russian can help you much. What's the opinion of other members of your local board, do others have the same suspicion that he sold his account?

[dkbit98]

Maybe it's plausible deniability for tax purposes?

Yeah sure, for tax purposes in Russian Federation (or anywhere else in nearby countries) where bitcointalk forum is banned and blacklisted for years 
Common Ratimov Symmetrick, come here and talk with us, everyone is eager to see what is actually going on with you.

[CryptoPravda]

What's the opinion of other members of your local board, do others have the same suspicion that he sold his account?

I hope there are few old Russians willing to give their perspective about Symmetrick posting style, does his posting style changed or not especially users who were active to communicate with him.

He пpoдoлжит. Этo нe Paтимoв. Bпoлнe ceбe пpoшapeнный кpиптaн, нeмнoгo aгpeccивный, нo нe Paтимoв. У тoгo былa ничeм нe cдepживaeмaя жaждa coздaния кoнтeнтa. И в цeлoм oн был чyть бoлee вeжливым. Ha aгpeccию в ocнoвнoм пepexoдил пocлe тoгo, кaк пoлyчaл чтo-тo в cвoй aдpec. Пpocтo тaк oн нe вёл ceбя кaк Дeйcик, нaпpимep.
   Этo нe xopoшo и нe плoxo, этo пpocтo кoнcтaтaция фaктa. Жизнь идёт cвoи чepeдoм.

Google translate

Won't continue. This is not Ratimov. Quite a proficient cryptan, a little aggressive, but not Ratimov. He had an unbridled thirst for creating content. And overall he was a little more polite. He mostly switched to aggression after receiving something addressed to him. He just didn’t behave like Daisik, for example.
    This is neither good nor bad, it is simply a statement of fact. Life goes on as usual.

[sky999]

Actually, "Ratimov" acc has some strange posting now (in Dec). I see some difference with his past posting. More aggressive, and less intellectual. And strange figures of speech.