Ratimov sold his account

[CryptoPravda]

I talked with Ratimov from almost the first day of his appearance on the forum and with a probability of 90 percent I can say that Ratimov sold his account. I will sign in more detail if there is time, but attentive users can now study Ratimov account and confirm my thoughts.


I can be mistaken if, for example, Ratimov account was introduced by more than one person and after my statement he will again connect to writing messages. Or for example, he has a psychological disease where he lost his memory.

In recent messages talked with me as if we had never communicated before.But we had a lot of disputes and communication. Anyone for whom the native language is Russian will notice changes in the style of writing messages.These are not only my thoughts in Russian local.

Of course, this is not strong evidence, so I created a topic to attract the attention of more experienced users

Symmetrick deleted all his topics.
Symmetrick completely ignores the questions in Russian reputation and pretends that nothing is happening.

I hope there are few old Russians willing to give their perspective about Symmetrick posting style, does his posting style changed or not especially users who were active to communicate with him.

He пpoдoлжит. Этo нe Paтимoв. Bпoлнe ceбe пpoшapeнный кpиптaн, нeмнoгo aгpeccивный, нo нe Paтимoв. У тoгo былa ничeм нe cдepживaeмaя жaждa coздaния кoнтeнтa. И в цeлoм oн был чyть бoлee вeжливым. Ha aгpeccию в ocнoвнoм пepexoдил пocлe тoгo, кaк пoлyчaл чтo-тo в cвoй aдpec. Пpocтo тaк oн нe вёл ceбя кaк Дeйcик, нaпpимep.
   Этo нe xopoшo и нe плoxo, этo пpocтo кoнcтaтaция фaктa. Жизнь идёт cвoи чepeдoм.

Google translate

Won't continue. This is not Ratimov. Quite a proficient cryptan, a little aggressive, but not Ratimov. He had an unbridled thirst for creating content. And overall he was a little more polite. He mostly switched to aggression after receiving something addressed to him. He just didn’t behave like Daisik, for example.
    This is neither good nor bad, it is simply a statement of fact. Life goes on as usual.

with a probability of 90 percent I can say that Ratimov sold his account

I anticipated this since November 23rd:

I see he also changed his password and email today...
~
It's interesting that after all this circus he remained in the same campaign

Now all that's left is changing the payment address for his signature campaign

So let's make a sum-up of recent events:

- this topic exposes all Ratimov / Symmetrick's shenanigans from past years
- many DT and non-DT users distrust him or stop trusting him and, eventually, he is kicked out of DT and his DT strength goes from +13 to -9
- he starts a mass purge of his old posts and topics, possibly some with plagiarism evidence, involving also in his actions the 2 Russian mods which he fools into becoming his garbage men, until theymos puts a stop to this (it was too late anyway)
- he deletes all his left feedbacks, retracts all his support for flags and wipes his Trust list
- stops posting in international sections and resumes only to Russian local board
- stops earning merits with lightning speed; stops sending merits with lightning speed (if you check his merit activity you can see that lately he sent some merits at intervals of ~one week)
- changes his name
- changes his email and password.

What do all these seem like?

Add to all these that meanwhile he also was demoted from Merit Source position and cancels a 0.0435 BTC sponsorship with a few days before he is supposed to make the payment (after benefiting one year from the reputation and popularity gained by saying that he is the sponsor of that contest).

Then, for "clearing" the account even more, I'd also apply for a name change. This did not depend only on him, but theymos was generous so we can say this step was also Checked..

I'd eliminate any negative feedbacks I left in the past, thus there would be low chances for other rants to appear to my "new" account and jeopardize a possible deal with a customer, which may not be interested om an account involved in accusations, beefs with other users etc. Checked.

I'd be mostly inactive for avoiding other conflicts or, if I needed to be a bit active I'd remain inside my local board, where less people would see what I'm doing. Checked.

I'd cancel any sponsorship, as no potential client for my account would be interested in buying the account with a debt of 0.0435 BTC. Checked.

I'd change my username and password. Checked.

Eventually, I'd also enroll in a better paying campaign, thus the account would look even more appealing for being bought. Checked.

What's there more to say? Ratimov Symmetrick checked all the above criteria, which are common sense for someone trying to obtain a very good price for his account. Let's not forget, this not an ordinary Legendary account, but fourth most merited account on the forum. (Of course, a client would never be informed that those merits were made in thousands by copy-paste and plagiarism, but that's another discussion.)

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[yahoo62278]

I talked with Ratimov from almost the first day of his appearance on the forum and with a probability of 90 percent I can say that John sold his account. I will sign in more detail if there is time, but attentive users can now study Ratimov account and confirm my thoughts.

There needs to be proof posted in order for anyone to take this seriously. No offense to you, but that's how it is on here. Word of mouth only opens the door, proof closes the case. If you have proof, feel free to post it.

[CryptoPravda]

I talked with Ratimov from almost the first day of his appearance on the forum and with a probability of 90 percent I can say that John sold his account. I will sign in more detail if there is time, but attentive users can now study Ratimov account and confirm my thoughts.

There needs to be proof posted in order for anyone to take this seriously. No offense to you, but that's how it is on here. Word of mouth only opens the door, proof closes the case. If you have proof, feel free to post it.

In recent messages talked with me as if we had never communicated before. But we had a lot of disputes and communication. Anyone for whom the native language is Russian will notice changes in the style of writing messages.These are not only my thoughts in Russian local.

Of course, this is not strong evidence, so I created a topic to attract the attention of more experienced users

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

Of course, this is not strong evidence, so I created a topic to attract the attention of more experienced users.

It's not a solid evidence but I believe that if your claims are true, then in no time, it will definitely be detected and his account will be tagged by DTs.

[examplens]

In recent messages talked with me as if we had never communicated before. But we had a lot of disputes and communication. Anyone for whom the native language is Russian will notice changes in the style of writing messages.These are not only my thoughts in Russian local.

Of course, this is not strong evidence, so I created a topic to attract the attention of more experienced users

I don't know if you know about this thread Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1? but after the development of events through him, Ratimov started to exclude himself from most forum benefits. As far as I can see, he is mostly active only in the Russian part of the forum, which seems to me to be in line with his latest decisions about contributing to this forum. Cleaning the DT list, deleting posts, deleting feedback...
It is different, but you still have to have some more significant evidence for your claim besides your feelings.

[Gladitorcomeback]

I talked with Ratimov from almost the first day of his appearance on the forum and with a probability of 90 percent I can say that Ratimov sold his account. I will sign in more detail if there is time, but attentive users can now study Ratimov account and confirm my thoughts.

First of all it will be better to mention changed (new) name also which is Symmetrick . He has also changed mail but so far if he could sign transaction from old wallets, we cannot say that hands are changed just by speculating writing style.

Of course, this is not strong evidence, so I created a topic to attract the attention of more experienced users

Symmetrick deleted all his topics.
Symmetrick completely ignores the questions in Russian reputation and pretends that nothing is happening.

There was lot of cases opened against him and lost so much recently so may be he wanted to change the old style and doesn't want to discuss on particular case. If you have any other strong evidence then it will be better to share. Experience members already talked so much in the other threads and no one yet felt that hands changed.

[ABCbits]

IF it's true, then we'll see first case of sold account with merit source status.

[JeromeTash]

In recent messages talked with me as if we had never communicated before.But we had a lot of disputes and communication. Anyone for whom the native language is Russian will notice changes in the style of writing messages.

If you are to bring up such a case, then providing evidence is also necessary instead of just speculating. For example, how your communication with him changed over time. Seeing what Symmetrick did over the past few weeks, I got convinced that his way of thinking was somewhat immature or kiddish. Maybe he "immaturely" started ignoring you and pretending he doesn't know you because his ego is still hurt after being exposed.

He has also changed mail but so far if he could sign transaction from old wallets, we cannot say that hands are changed just by speculating writing style.

What if he transferred the ownership of private keys too?  

[digaran]

And all of the things that happened was for what exactly? Because he couldn't let go of his stubborn ego. Acting on anger will never end well. Now if he starts to join bounties and or campaigns, or if he starts to call DTs and managers "sir", it would be a worthy evidence. He got played by a DT gang and ruined everything. Btw, he is no longer a source I believe.

[tranthidung]

IF it's true, then we'll see first case of sold account with merit source status.

Probably not.

Ratimov/ Symmetrick likely waived / withdrawn his merit source role in the forum. A merit source with 1000 sourced merit is a big one and I can not think of any merit source that likely removed recently than Ratimov/ Symmetrick.
Merit source observation

Indeed, it's a -1000 (there's no great mystery behind the disappearance of this MS) and a +200 (it's more a correction of an "anomaly" for this new MS).

There are clear signals for it too.
Can a merit source re-start Ratimov merit threads.

Two topics are now in Archival.
Re: Helping Potential Legendary, Hero, Senior and Full Members (May 2023 Update)
[Merit] Help newbies and those who have a little left to the next rank
I don't know the account was sold or still belongs to the real owner. OP did not give any proof for this accusation so for now, I assume it is an invalid one because of Presumption of innocence.

[Plaguedeath]

He withdrawn his merit source role and he out from high paid campaign, if he want to sell his account, the two things I mentioned above would increase his account value. For me it doesn't make sense he sell his account with the current condition when he could make more.

What if he transferred the ownership of private keys too?  

There's always any possibility, but talking about selling his wallet is too far IMO. That will affect the whole thing as sign a message is a solid proof to prove ownership or legitimacy.

[NotATether]

If this turns out to be true then I will leave a negative trust on his account and exclude him from my trust list.

[CryptoPravda]

Now I'm even more sure. It’s just that the buyer did not study Ratimov interaction with everyone at the Russian local.
Another message Ratimov in my topic.

Ecли дoбaвляeтe instant биpжи, c пoддepжкoй лaйтнингa, тo тoгдa имeeт cмыcл дoбaвить и дpyгиe, a имeннo:

To understand the features of the Russian language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qHR6A_mQFU
 BЫ and TЫ in Russian: How to switch and where to use


 Russians differentiate the way they address people depending on their social status, age and relations between them. But how to choose the right ‘you’? Don’t worry, we’ll spell it out for you!

“Who allowed you to say YOU to me?” “Can we switch to YOU?” Phrases like this just make zero sense in English. It’s impossible to imagine someone angry saying: “How dare you say YOU to me?!” or “Don’t tell me YOU” in English.

But, in Russian, it’s absolutely commonplace. Intrigued by another difficulty of Russian? We’ll not let it be lost in translation and explain everything now.

https://www.rbth.com/education/333035-ty-vy-how-say-you-russian



And these are not my feelings, these are clear features of the Russian language. He had never addressed me like that before.

For example, my old theme, where we are discussing with him merit source.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5197178
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5197178.msg52961561#msg52961561

We talked a lot and he knew me well. Another person owns the account.

Ecли дoбaвляeтe instant биpжи, c пoддepжкoй лaйтнингa, тo тoгдa имeeт cмыcл дoбaвить и дpyгиe, a имeннo:

In this message, he communicates with me using "Bы" He never did that.

[GazetaBitcoin]

with a probability of 90 percent I can say that Ratimov sold his account

I anticipated this since November 23rd:

I see he also changed his password and email today...
~
It's interesting that after all this circus he remained in the same campaign

Now all that's left is changing the payment address for his signature campaign

So let's make a sum-up of recent events:

- this topic exposes all Ratimov / Symmetrick's shenanigans from past years
- many DT and non-DT users distrust him or stop trusting him and, eventually, he is kicked out of DT and his DT strength goes from +13 to -9
- he starts a mass purge of his old posts and topics, possibly some with plagiarism evidence, involving also in his actions the 2 Russian mods which he fools into becoming his garbage men, until theymos puts a stop to this (it was too late anyway)
- he deletes all his left feedbacks, retracts all his support for flags and wipes his Trust list
- stops posting in international sections and resumes only to Russian local board
- stops earning merits with lightning speed; stops sending merits with lightning speed (if you check his merit activity you can see that lately he sent some merits at intervals of ~one week)
- changes his name
- changes his email and password.

What do all these seem like?

Add to all these that meanwhile he also was demoted from Merit Source position and cancels a 0.0435 BTC sponsorship with a few days before he is supposed to make the payment (after benefiting one year from the reputation and popularity gained by saying that he is the sponsor of that contest).

[Shenanigan]

Evidence is required for this charge. So far I see the subjective opinion of one user from the locale board #10.0

[Fivestar4everMVP]

And all of the things that happened was for what exactly? Because he couldn't let go of his stubborn ego. Acting on anger will never end well. Now if he starts to join bounties and or campaigns, or if he starts to call DTs and managers "sir", it would be a worthy evidence. He got played by a DT gang and ruined everything. Btw, he is no longer a source I believe.

With all that have happened, I highly doubt that he is still a source, theymos is not blind afterall, he himself knows and sees all that goes on around this forum, but hardly will he respond to issues that don't in any way, concerns him, or that doesn't deserve his attention.

Ratimov is a personality I personally had great respect for, and in the mist of all this drama, one thing I've always said to myself is, "how has the mighty fallen".

I talked with Ratimov from almost the first day of his appearance on the forum and with a probability of 90 percent I can say that John sold his account. I will sign in more detail if there is time, but attentive users can now study Ratimov account and confirm my thoughts.

There needs to be proof posted in order for anyone to take this seriously. No offense to you, but that's how it is on here. Word of mouth only opens the door, proof closes the case. If you have proof, feel free to post it.

In recent messages talked with me as if we had never communicated before. But we had a lot of disputes and communication. Anyone for whom the native language is Russian will notice changes in the style of writing messages.These are not only my thoughts in Russian local.

Of course, this is not strong evidence, so I created a topic to attract the attention of more experienced users

This is pure speculation, or better still, assumption. Assumption is not an evidence because several times, people assume things wrongly.
But still good that you brought your thought up, I believe that from now on, the detectives on this forum will get down to work to find out which is true and which is false, whether Ratimov sold his account or not.

[CryptoPravda]

Ratimov is a personally I personally had great respect for

I also respected Ratimov, but this is not Ratimov. We normally communicate even after conflicts.
I apologize, I can’t answer everyone, it’s hard to write in English quickly for me.

[dkbit98]

I talked with Ratimov from almost the first day of his appearance on the forum and with a probability of 90 percent I can say that Ratimov sold his account. I will sign in more detail if there is time, but attentive users can now study Ratimov account and confirm my thoughts.

I had a feeling he is going to leave bitcointalk forum after he started to delete many of his posts, changes email address, password, and even forum user name.
Maybe he wanted to prevent being banned, and legendary accounts can be very expensive, but I suspect he probably switched to one of his other accounts and he is still active here.
I can't be sure if he sold his account, but we are going to know this for sure when this accounts writes more messages in english.
However, this is not enough proof (yet) to give anyone negative feedback for this.

[examplens]

Ratimov/ Symmetrick likely waived / withdrawn his merit source role in the forum. A merit source with 1000 sourced merit is a big one and I can not think of any merit source that likely removed recently than Ratimov/ Symmetrick.
Merit source observation

Can someone explain to me how you see that he has withdrawn merit source status? The link you posted does not point to any specific user.
Deleting the merit source thread application doesn't lead directly to that, does it? Also, the fact that on average he distributed less merit than otherwise, does not necessarily exclude that he has out-of-merit sources.

He withdrawn his merit source role and he out from high paid campaign, if he want to sell his account, the two things I mentioned above would increase his account value. For me it doesn't make sense he sell his account with the current condition when he could make more.

He left the campaign but also immediately moved to another one with a probably better payment rate while making a private deal. And I believe that he got the offer because they were very satisfied with his reviews of the service.
So this can be a two-way speculation.

[LoyceV]

I wouldn't be surprised if this were true. Ratimov burned all bridges behind him, and instead of confronting problems, he just kept digging a deeper hole. Maybe it's an ego thing, I don't get it.

If this is true, it leaves only one question: why would anyone buy such a high-profile account? Maybe that's the reason he stopped posting in English too, but if the account changed owner, that can't go unnoticed.
Imagine someone else using my account: how long would it last before it's exposed? I hope it doesn't even take a day!

[Shenanigan]

I believe that from now on, the detectives on this forum will get down to work to find out which is true and which is false, whether Ratimov sold his account or not.

I can imagine how these detectives will be disgraced and fall into a trap if they also base their accusations on assumptions, if it turns out that Ratimov was actually not selling his account.

Then Ratimov will have every right to open a counter-charge of libel.

There is no need to throw around empty accusations. People tend to change

[dkbit98]

If this is true, it leaves only one question: why would anyone buy such a high-profile account? Maybe that's the reason he stopped posting in English too, but if the account changed owner, that can't go unnoticed.
Imagine someone else using my account: how long would it last before it's exposed? I hope it doesn't even take a day!

I don't know if you know this, but high profile accounts with positive feedback are very valuable and can be sold/purchased for a lot of money.
Maybe that is the reason why he changed his username recently and sold it with new name instead of old Ratimov, to try and cover the tracks.
This transactions all be done outside of bitcointalk forum, so nobody would have any proof that he did anything.

[CryptoPravda]

There is no need to throw around empty accusations. People tend to change

People do not change in a few weeks. He lost memory?


He was a major investigator at the Russian Local. Of course you will not find direct evidence.
He investigated hundreds of bots.
He knew very well how to sell best, without traces.

[LoyceV]

I don't know if you know this, but high profile accounts with positive feedback are very valuable and can be sold/purchased for a lot of money.

Positive feedback has no value if the account gets tagged. I'd expect less high profile accounts to be able to stay under the radar longer. Just like claiming to be John Arnold will alert less people than claiming to be Bill Gates.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I believe that from now on, the detectives on this forum will get down to work to find out which is true and which is false, whether Ratimov sold his account or not.

I can imagine how these detectives will be disgraced and fall into a trap if they also base their accusations on assumptions, if it turns out that Ratimov was actually not selling his account.

Then Ratimov will have every right to open a counter-charge of libel.

There is no need to throw around empty accusations. People tend to change

Well, I did say it in my comment that, it is completely wrong for one to use assumptions alone as a deciding factor, most especially, when another user's reputation is involved.
Reputation on this forum, to me, is a commodity that is very expensive, so one should never try to carelessly destroy another user's reputation out of assumptions, it is completely wrong.

And speaking of who will be disgraced and who will not, it's way too early to judge, leave it all to time, time will tell who is right and who is wrong, let time be the judge, whatever is hidden surely comes in the open with time.

There is no need to throw around empty accusations. People tend to change

People do not change in a few weeks. He lost memory?

And you are right, no matter a person changes, such changes doesn't happen in a week or in a month, and even at this, there is always traces back to their old self.

[stompix]

If this is true, it leaves only one question: why would anyone buy such a high-profile account?

I think too many focus on the buying thing, and that doesn't makes sense, he could have earned enough for signatures or private deals, far more than someone would offer to an account that would immediately fall under suspicion.
So let's say this is not Ratimov posting, that doesn't imply he has sold his account, he could have simply give it to a fried or a relative, and for me this would be the best course of action to someone who wants to cut ties with the forum, plus with this move he muddies the waters for everyone following him while still keeping the account over some sort of control.
OR! even better, he acts like he is not the same guy! 

Then Ratimov will have every right to open a counter-charge of libel.

Internet court of libel opens up on X at 4pm, don't forget to bring all the memes and tiktok clips as well as the sign petition from 4chan staff.

[dkbit98]

Positive feedback has no value if the account gets tagged. I'd expect less high profile accounts to be able to stay under the radar longer. Just like claiming to be John Arnold will alert less people than claiming to be Bill Gates.

For someone who looks at his account from outside, everything looks almost perfect.
They can see 17 positive and 2 neutral feedback, there is no negative and that is enough for most people.
I see no other reason why someone would change username and do so much effort in deleting bunch of stuff he wrote before, than for purpose to retire his account.



Let's wait and see what other members from Russian board will say, before we make any final conclusions.

[CryptoPravda]

OR! even better, he acts like he is not the same guy!  

The problem for him is that he wanted to appear to be Ratimov. But he did not study all interactions with users in the Russian locale.
How can it be that he is trying to communicate with one as with an old acquaintance?

Я лишь cкaзaл, чтo "пo 5-знaчнoмy цeнникy мнe битoк пoкyпaть нe интepecнo".
Paзницy мeждy этим мoим выcкaзывaниeм и cвoeй интepпpeтaциeй мoeгo выcкaзывaния ты лeгкo нaйдёшь caм, я нaдeюcь

Cнopк, нe бoишьcя oпять oкaзaтьcя в пoзиции пpoтив pынкa, кaк тoгдa в 2020 гoдy, гдe ты тaкжe cтaвил нa шopт и пpoпycтил вcё caмoe интepecнoe, xoтя пoтoм вcё жe кyпил, нo бoльшaя чacть вoзмoжнocтeй былa yпyщeнa.

Tы ждёшь 4-ёx знaчный цeнник нa зaкyп? Tы eгo мoжeшь дoждaтьcя, вoт тoлькo биткoин cнaчaлa мoжeт cxoдить нa нoвый ATH, a тoлькo пoтoм, cпycтя гoд-двa пpилeтeть , нaпpимep, нa 5к (чтo кpaйнe мaлoвepoятнo, a ты вooбщe ждёшь 2к).

Moжнo пoтoм пopaдoвaтьcя тoмy, чтo ты пpoдaл пo 30к и кyпил пo 5к, нo пepeд этим вcпoмнить, чтo ты пpocидeл в фиaтe, пoкa биткoин был пo 70к и вышe. Кaк вapиaнт.

and don’t remember the other one at all.

Tвoe cooбщeниe выглядит тaк, чтo ты xoчeшь пoкaзaтьcя peaльным Paтимoвым и кaк-бы знaeшь иcтopию c ним и xoчeшь этo пoкaзaть He пиcaл тaк Paтимoв, нe тoт cтиль. Ecли ты c ним дo cиx пop нa cвязи, ты пoпpocи eгo, чтoбы нeкoтopыe пocты oн пиcaл  

Eщe oдин икcпepд пo cтилю, пиздeц кaкoй-тo. Tы тeмy пepeпyтaл, зaгoн для eблaнoв тyт: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468454.0, тaм мoжeшь cвoи yмoзaключeния выcpaть, тeбя тaм выcлyшaют и пpимyт кaк poднoгo. Дaжe мoжeт пoxлoпaют, чeм eбaнyтee тeopия, тeм гpoмчe пoxлoпaют. Здecь пaцaны oбcyждaют биткoин, pынoк, пoнимaeшь, пoлитикa, peпyтaция и пpoчaя xyйню иди oбcyждaй в дpyгoм мecтe.

Haxyй пoшeл oтcюдa, чepт eбaный. Eблaн y тeбя в пacпopтe нapиcoвaн, пocмoтpи внимaтeльнo нa этo eбaлo и yяcни paз и нaвceгдa. Пиздeц кoнeчнo, eбaныx шизoфpeникoв c кaждым мecяцeм cтaнoвитcя вcё бoльшe и бoльшe, кyдa блять кaтимcя. Oчepeднoй дeгeнepaт пpипёpcя в тpeйдингoвый тoпик и пытaeтcя кaчaть зa peпyтaцию и мнe eщe ктo-тo тyт пытaeтcя paccкaзывaть, чтo здecь в пepвyю oчepeдь интepecyютcя зa кpиптy, пpocти, caтoши, мы вcё пpoeбaли. Дaжe тeймoc иcпopтилcя, чeгo yж гoвopить пpo ocтaльныx.

This message has just been deleted.

Yes, I see this with standard settings.

[Plaguedeath]

He left the campaign but also immediately moved to another one with a probably better payment rate while making a private deal. And I believe that he got the offer because they were very satisfied with his reviews of the service.
So this can be a two-way speculation.

Oh well, you're correct. I didn't check his account anymore, but now he's already wear a paid signature.

The problem for him is that he wanted to appear to be Ratimov. But he did not study all interactions with users in the Russian locale.
How can it be that he is trying to communicate with one as with an old acquaintance?

I hope there are few old Russians willing to give their perspective about Symmetrick posting style, does his posting style changed or not especially users who were active to communicate with him.

[BabyBandit]

I talked with Ratimov from almost the first day of his appearance on the forum and with a probability of 90 percent I can say that Ratimov sold his account. I will sign in more detail if there is time, but attentive users can now study Ratimov account and confirm my thoughts.


I can be mistaken if, for example, Ratimov account was introduced by more than one person and after my statement he will again connect to writing messages. Or for example, he has a psychological disease where he lost his memory.

In recent messages talked with me as if we had never communicated before.But we had a lot of disputes and communication. Anyone for whom the native language is Russian will notice changes in the style of writing messages.These are not only my thoughts in Russian local.

Of course, this is not strong evidence, so I created a topic to attract the attention of more experienced users

Symmetrick deleted all his topics.
Symmetrick completely ignores the questions in Russian reputation and pretends that nothing is happening.

Speech is silver, silence is gold. This only make yourself look untrustworthy then somebody else. Why? Because the only thing everyone knows here for sure is that you don't know. You just guessing.. It's so unnecessary to create a thread like this if you not are 100% sure, you could just wait until you are sure it would be better for everyone.

[CryptoPravda]

I hope there are few old Russians willing to give their perspective about Symmetrick posting style, does his posting style changed or not especially users who were active to communicate with him.

He пpoдoлжит. Этo нe Paтимoв. Bпoлнe ceбe пpoшapeнный кpиптaн, нeмнoгo aгpeccивный, нo нe Paтимoв. У тoгo былa ничeм нe cдepживaeмaя жaждa coздaния кoнтeнтa. И в цeлoм oн был чyть бoлee вeжливым. Ha aгpeccию в ocнoвнoм пepexoдил пocлe тoгo, кaк пoлyчaл чтo-тo в cвoй aдpec. Пpocтo тaк oн нe вёл ceбя кaк Дeйcик, нaпpимep.
   Этo нe xopoшo и нe плoxo, этo пpocтo кoнcтaтaция фaктa. Жизнь идёт cвoи чepeдoм.

Google translate

Won't continue. This is not Ratimov. Quite a proficient cryptan, a little aggressive, but not Ratimov. He had an unbridled thirst for creating content. And overall he was a little more polite. He mostly switched to aggression after receiving something addressed to him. He just didn’t behave like Daisik, for example.
    This is neither good nor bad, it is simply a statement of fact. Life goes on as usual.

[rat03gopoh]

However, this is not enough proof (yet) to give anyone negative feedback for this.

(Possible) 2nd proof was presented in GazetaBitcoin's reply above. It reminds me of the case of red tagging who didn't respect the auction s/he was holding: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5348726.msg57602602#msg57602602

Comparing these cases, in the context they both show disrespect for auction/contest participants. However, I respect (old)Ratimov as someone the admin has trusted to be a meirt source. Talking about justice... I think it should have a different space especially after the account is really controlled by someone new.

[LoyceV]

So let's say this is not Ratimov posting, that doesn't imply he has sold his account, he could have simply give it to a fried or a relative

Would that make a difference for the Trust system when it comes to "account changed hands"?
That brings up a thought experiment: if I give my account to someone I personally know and trust, does my account deserve to be tagged? In a way, that means someone walks around with +30 only because I gave it to him, and I don't think that's supposed to happen. So even giving away the account can deserve negative feedback.

OR! even better, he acts like he is not the same guy!  

Maybe it's plausible deniability for tax purposes?

[Shenanigan]

LOL. How Ratimov can sold his account if there is no username Ratimov at the forum

Try this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist;sa=search

This is a results:

~Ratimov                     Brand new   2020-01-08   0   
Offline   Ratimov2                     Brand new   2020-11-01   0   
Offline   Ratimov_SCAM                     Brand new   2021-01-01   0   
Offline   Maxim Ratimov                     Brand new   2020-01-28   0   
Offline   RatimovGandon                     Brand new   2020-11-01   0   
Offline   RatimovGandonn                     Brand new   2023-12-02   0   
Offline   Congratulations Ratimov                     Brand new   2022-03-10   0   
Offline   Congratulations Ratimov.                                                  Brand new   2022-03-10   0

[CryptSafe]

Writing mere statements can not be a proof that what you claimed happened really happened but backing up your claims with facts can actually sustain your claims here. I have read through and there is no difference from what each and every one responder has said, OP for you claims to be really taken seriously, there must be some proof otherwise it will be a null and void scenario.
I believe this is a thing of speculation and on assumption basis for which OP is working with.

[CryptoPravda]

Writing mere statements can not be a proof that what you claimed happened really happened but backing up your claims with facts can actually sustain your claims here. I have read through and there is no difference from what each and every one responder has said, OP for you claims to be really taken seriously, there must be some proof otherwise it will be a null and void scenario.
I believe this is a thing of speculation and on assumption basis for which OP is working with.

You can't prove it directly. He caught sellers and knows all the nuances.

Perhaps admin can look at the ip he used previously and the browsers he used. Although, the previous owner could have transferred the VPN or said which one he used.

[Rikafip]

Oh gawd, Ratimov related drama keep going on...

You can't prove it directly. He caught sellers and knows all the nuances.

He maybe knows all the nuances but if what you are saying is true and another person took control of his account, that person will most likely slip, sooner or later.

Of course, this is not strong evidence, so I created a topic to attract the attention of more experienced users

Since he is currently only active in your local board, none of us here who don't speak Russian can help you much. What's the opinion of other members of your local board, do others have the same suspicion that he sold his account?

[dkbit98]

Maybe it's plausible deniability for tax purposes?

Yeah sure, for tax purposes in Russian Federation (or anywhere else in nearby countries) where bitcointalk forum is banned and blacklisted for years 
Common Ratimov Symmetrick, come here and talk with us, everyone is eager to see what is actually going on with you.

[CryptoPravda]

What's the opinion of other members of your local board, do others have the same suspicion that he sold his account?

I hope there are few old Russians willing to give their perspective about Symmetrick posting style, does his posting style changed or not especially users who were active to communicate with him.

He пpoдoлжит. Этo нe Paтимoв. Bпoлнe ceбe пpoшapeнный кpиптaн, нeмнoгo aгpeccивный, нo нe Paтимoв. У тoгo былa ничeм нe cдepживaeмaя жaждa coздaния кoнтeнтa. И в цeлoм oн был чyть бoлee вeжливым. Ha aгpeccию в ocнoвнoм пepexoдил пocлe тoгo, кaк пoлyчaл чтo-тo в cвoй aдpec. Пpocтo тaк oн нe вёл ceбя кaк Дeйcик, нaпpимep.
   Этo нe xopoшo и нe плoxo, этo пpocтo кoнcтaтaция фaктa. Жизнь идёт cвoи чepeдoм.

Google translate

Won't continue. This is not Ratimov. Quite a proficient cryptan, a little aggressive, but not Ratimov. He had an unbridled thirst for creating content. And overall he was a little more polite. He mostly switched to aggression after receiving something addressed to him. He just didn’t behave like Daisik, for example.
    This is neither good nor bad, it is simply a statement of fact. Life goes on as usual.

[sky999]

Actually, "Ratimov" acc has some strange posting now (in Dec). I see some difference with his past posting. More aggressive, and less intellectual. And strange figures of speech.

[Little Mouse]

Actually, "Ratimov" acc has some strange posting now (in Dec). I see some difference with his past posting. More aggressive, and less intellectual. And strange figures of speech.

He lost a lot of things here so it can be common lol.

He just didn’t behave like Daisik, for example.

Did you mean deisik? What happened to him? What did he do?

[CryptoPravda]

Did you mean deisik? What happened to him? What did he do?

This is not my message. But there is such a user in russian locale, it seems he behaved aggressively. I could be mistaken.

He пpoдoлжит. Этo нe Paтимoв. Bпoлнe ceбe пpoшapeнный кpиптaн, нeмнoгo aгpeccивный, нo нe Paтимoв. У тoгo былa ничeм нe cдepживaeмaя жaждa coздaния кoнтeнтa. И в цeлoм oн был чyть бoлee вeжливым. Ha aгpeccию в ocнoвнoм пepexoдил пocлe тoгo, кaк пoлyчaл чтo-тo в cвoй aдpec. Пpocтo тaк oн нe вёл ceбя кaк Дeйcик, нaпpимep.
   Этo нe xopoшo и нe плoxo, этo пpocтo кoнcтaтaция фaктa. Жизнь идёт cвoи чepeдoм.

Google translate

Won't continue. This is not Ratimov. Quite a proficient cryptan, a little aggressive, but not Ratimov. He had an unbridled thirst for creating content. And overall he was a little more polite. He mostly switched to aggression after receiving something addressed to him. He just didn’t behave like Daisik, for example.
    This is neither good nor bad, it is simply a statement of fact. Life goes on as usual.

[suchmoon]

Imagine someone else using my account: how long would it last before it's exposed? I hope it doesn't even take a day!

I'm sure that one could feed your posts to one of those newfangled AI/ML thingies and produce somewhat coherent LoyceV-like posts for at least two days.

As for Simwhatshername (can't be bothered to remember how many Ms and Ys there are, sorry), the current owner of the account is such a clown that regardless of whether it's the same person as the original owner or not, there is very little reason to trust them with anything. But I find OP's observations quite interesting and credible, and considering the password change I'd say ownership change is likely to have happened.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Here is another who believes that, after all that has been said, such as the change in writing mode, which culminates all the recent events that had been triggered, the most likely scenario is that the account has changed hands. But with a very high probability.

[Shenanigan]

But I find OP's observations quite interesting and credible, and considering the password change I'd say ownership change is likely to have happened.

Okay okay okay

Now listen here everybody. If Ratimov comes here with a bitcoin signed message and confirms his bitcoin address, would you all agree to be accused of libel (total distrusting and tagging as slanderers from all DT members)?

full list of accusers without evidence in this thread
-CryptoPravda
-sky999
-suchmoon

Are you ready?

[GazetaBitcoin]

As for Simwhatshername (can't be bothered to remember how many Ms and Ys there are, sorry)

LOL!

I find OP's observations quite interesting and credible, and considering the password change I'd say ownership change is likely to have happened.

Let's put things in this light: if you ever would want to sell your account, how would you proceed, taking into account also a shady past like Ratimov's? Well I, if I were him, first of all I'd want to get rid of any plagiarism evidence. So I'd delete all the posts which may still contain such evidence. In fact, I already anticipated that here:

I am almost sure he deleted all his posts starting with "In this article I would like to touch upon such a theme [...]".

Then we have also Loyce's discovery:

I checked: in those 58 topics, he earned 202 Merits.

Update: modlog now shows 78 deleted topics, in which Ratimov earned 369 Merits.

Then he also deleted a post where he admitted in plain sight that 90% of his content is plagiarism:

For instance, this post:

Quoting for historical reference and take a look at messages at numbers 33, 101, 108, 115.

Here, really original content, maybe 10%, the rest is all a copy-paste of finished materials or partial use of someone else's material.

quoted by me in OP and quoted also years ago by airfinex in the topic where he exposed Ratimov's plagiarism -- is now gone.

So this point is Checked.

Then, for "clearing" the account even more, I'd also apply for a name change. This did not depend only on him, but theymos was generous so we can say this step was also Checked..

I'd eliminate any negative feedbacks I left in the past, thus there would be low chances for other rants to appear to my "new" account and jeopardize a possible deal with a customer, which may not be interested om an account involved in accusations, beefs with other users etc. Checked.

I'd be mostly inactive for avoiding other conflicts or, if I needed to be a bit active I'd remain inside my local board, where less people would see what I'm doing. Checked.

I'd cancel any sponsorship, as no potential client for my account would be interested in buying the account with a debt of 0.0435 BTC. Checked.

I'd change my username and password. Checked.

Eventually, I'd also enroll in a better paying campaign, thus the account would look even more appealing for being bought. Checked.

What's there more to say? Ratimov Symmetrick checked all the above criteria, which are common sense for someone trying to obtain a very good price for his account. Let's not forget, this not an ordinary Legendary account, but fourth most merited account on the forum. (Of course, a client would never be informed that those merits were made in thousands by copy-paste and plagiarism, but that's another discussion.)

[mikeywith]

Now listen here everybody. If Ratimov comes here with a bitcoin signed message and confirms his bitcoin address, would you all agree to be accused of libel (total distrusting and tagging as slanderers from all DT members)?

A signed message would not prove anything, the "new owner" can request from the "original owner" to sign a message saying " the new owner is the same person as the "original owner", it's almost impossible to prove that something does not exist, if someone tells you that they a 12 bedroom apartment on Mercury, you would have no way to prove them wrong despite knowing for sure that they are.

As it stands right now, the accuser could just stay silent because "the burden of proof is on the accuser", however, given the account status and how many people are watching it -- it will be very difficult not to make a fatal mistake along the way that would expose him if the accusation is correct.

You can fool all people some of the time and some people all the time. But you can never fool all people all the time

Abraham Lincoln

[Shenanigan]

A signed message would not prove anything, the "new owner" can request from the "original owner" to sign a message saying " the new owner is the same person as the "original owner"

I didn't know about such schemes. Apparently you have a lot of experience in this

[decodx]

This seems tricky to prove.  Since most of us probably don't speak Russian natively, we can't personally evaluate if his style of communication has shifted.  The best course would be having members who previously interacted with him closely, either on or off the forum, confirm or deny perceivable changes.  However one detail gives me pause - if financial motives were important, why stop participating in the signature campaign?

[JollyGood]

As you stated, it is difficult for non-Russian readers to come to any conclusion because of the number of posts he is making in that board instead of the global board. Having said that he seems to be wearing a mixer campaign earning $10 per post therefore financial motives are definitely important to him (regardless of who is controlling the account).

This seems tricky to prove.  Since most of us probably don't speak Russian natively, we can't personally evaluate if his style of communication has shifted.  The best course would be having members who previously interacted with him closely, either on or off the forum, confirm or deny perceivable changes.  However one detail gives me pause - if financial motives were important, why stop participating in the signature campaign?

[un_rank]

Will not come as much of a surprise if it turns out to be true. It will only seem ridiculous to me to buy an account with all the drama and dust that have been raisd in recent months around Ratimov.

Everyone is talking about solid proof, and I will like to know what counts as solid proof of account changing hands besides obvious ones like change of language.

- Jay -

[GazetaBitcoin]

Having said that he seems to be wearing a mixer campaign earning $10 per post therefore financial motives are definitely important to him (regardless of who is controlling the account).

Selling an account earning 10$/post is way more appealing for a potential customer than an account earning nothing, right?

[Renampun]

Ratimov is a personally I personally had great respect for

I also respected Ratimov, but this is not Ratimov. We normally communicate even after conflicts.
I apologize, I can’t answer everyone, it’s hard to write in English quickly for me.

you can easily use Google Translate to help you speed up typing into English btw, I also really respect Ratimov (he was a member who helped me reach senior membership in the beginning), I don't really understand the problem that occurred between you and Ratimov, as well as your conversation with him at the Russian local board, I hope that the problem that was rumored will be resolved quickly. apart from that, strong evidence is really needed so that it doesn't lead to slander.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Why the hell does it mean account selling?

I believed you speak English. What's there not to understand from these few words?

[Shenanigan]

Will not come as much of a surprise if it turns out to be true.

No, it will be a much bigger surprise when it turns out that he didn’t sell the account to anyone.  

More aggressive, and less intellectual. And strange figures of speech.

After so many accusations, why he should be kind? I think anyone would change if they were punished such unfairly

Ratimov is simply in a bad mood. His bad mood is not a proof of account-selling

[tranthidung]

Can someone explain to me how you see that he has withdrawn merit source status? The link you posted does not point to any specific user.
Deleting the merit source thread application doesn't lead directly to that, does it? Also, the fact that on average he distributed less merit than otherwise, does not necessarily exclude that he has out-of-merit sources.

I did not say it is a solid evidence for conclusion and I only provided some information but as said, I noted that more evidence is needed even connecting those dots seems to lead to a logical conclusion.

If you need solid proof, it only can come from theymos or Cyrus, two forum admins.

I also have to mention other dots: email address changed and password changed on November 23, 2023, 10:33:06 AM.

Ratimov Symmetrick is one of biggest merit source in Bitcointalk. Most generous merit senders, all time. So with this drop of 1000 merit as Halab revealed, I can not think of any merit source than Ratimov Symmetrick.

46405: LoyceV
44417: El duderino_
43287: fillippone
41588: suchmoon
37598: ETFbitcoin
36272: JayJuanGee
33270: Symmetrick
32528: DdmrDdmr
32239: hugeblack
28061: vapourminer
27415: The Sceptical Chymist
26006: o_e_l_e_o

The user created many helpful topics (I can not deny it because I learned from his threads too) and made some mistakes (bad for sure) but I failed to see how he changed entirely this way, like LoyceV said, dig deeper and deeper into the dark.

[JollyGood]

Having said that he seems to be wearing a mixer campaign earning $10 per post therefore financial motives are definitely important to him (regardless of who is controlling the account).

Selling an account earning 10$/post is way more appealing for a potential customer than an account earning nothing, right?

Yes, absolutely.

Why the hell does it mean account selling?

I believed you speak English. What's there not to understand from these few words?

A short while ago I tagged his account with a neutral trust and noticed you have done it too. Quite clearly, he is a troll and I think it is obvious this is not his only account. For him to be posting in Meta and Reputation with the knowledge about the forum and the members shows he has an ulterior motive. Sometimes he posts silly comments such as the one you replied to by claiming he does not know.

He has also created a Theymos reputation thread too 

[ineedhelpplease]

I wouldn't be surprised if this were true. Ratimov burned all bridges behind him, and instead of confronting problems, he just kept digging a deeper hole. Maybe it's an ego thing, I don't get it.

If this is true, it leaves only one question: why would anyone buy such a high-profile account? Maybe that's the reason he stopped posting in English too, but if the account changed owner, that can't go unnoticed.
Imagine someone else using my account: how long would it last before it's exposed? I hope it doesn't even take a day!

If it is sold it wouldn’t exactly make sense for the buyer to be in your words “digging his own grave”. Although not everyone who buys stuff in general is gonna be smart and some people will be retarded. I assume these Legendary accounts go for expensive amounts if they were to ever be sold especially for someone like him. It is stupid that he is basically destroying his reputation and everything but if I were to buy an account I wouldn’t be absolutely stupid and burn bridges and ruin the accounts reputation by what people think of the user.

Couldn’t there be like IP checks that can just quickly resolve these type of scenarios?

[LoyceV]

Actually, "Ratimov" acc has some strange posting now (in Dec). I see some difference with his past posting. More aggressive, and less intellectual. And strange figures of speech.

Maybe he just stopped copy/pasting

Couldn’t there be like IP checks that can just quickly resolve these type of scenarios?

No. Admin won't get involved, and it could lead to false positives.

[Timelord2o67]

If Ratimov Acc has changed hands and you're going to start mentioning their *cough* generous meriting, then you should have no problem citing where their generosity changes with new users favoured over longer serving members.

[tranthidung]

Couldn’t there be like IP checks that can just quickly resolve these type of scenarios?

No. Admin won't get involved, and it could lead to false positives.

Admins only take action in special cases but I believe with this case such as that one, no need for admin engagement, the community will figure out about it soon.

[1] VIP Member hacked?

Alternatively and additionally, some members who have talks with the user in the past can explore the fact too like this.

By exploring this case, I found one thing, theymos or Cyrus only changed the display name for Ratimov and we can search with Ratimov as a key word at forum's member search and find Symmetrick. In this case, admin did not change both username and display name for the user. This means the change here is for appearance only, not for privacy reason.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Why the hell does it mean account selling?

I believed you speak English. What's there not to understand from these few words?

A short while ago I tagged his account with a neutral trust and noticed you have done it too. Quite clearly, he is a troll and I think it is obvious this is not his only account. For him to be posting in Meta and Reputation with the knowledge about the forum and the members shows he has an ulterior motive. Sometimes he posts silly comments such as the one you replied to by claiming he does not know.

I believe that Shenanigan is Bitcoin SV's alt. In case you haven't noticed, he has same delusional behavior as BSV. Besides, he keeps making a post then deleting it immediately after, only for posting it again but a bit changed, just like BSV does. As a plus, he also edits the posts (which he does not delete), deleting substantial parts from them, in case someone points the finger to something chaotic / idiotic written by him -- also just like BSV does. For example, just look at the post where you quoted me, which contains a quote from him -- he deleted that post, after he realized he asked an imbecility (n.b. -- that is what account selling means). Then he posted again this post, but slightly changed.

As a plus, he also tends to make same typing / grammar mistakes made by BSV as well. Let's not forget also the constant use of emotes, also just like BSV.

Just keep observing all these. If you reply to him, you may notice afterwards that the post you replied to does not exist anymore. And that just within minutes. Then he makes the same post again, with some midifications.

He has also created a Theymos reputation thread too 

Yes. Then look at that topic and then to these posts made by BSV: link 1 and link2. Don't they look like being written by same hand?

[Timelord2o67]

Might want to leave the alt finding to the experts.

[CryptoPravda]

Shenanigan
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3531635
This is probably Ratimov trolling account
Registration January 2023

And then suddenly the account wakes up during the conflict Ratimov.And he begins to worry the same questions at the same time, that bothered Ratimov almost immediately.What a coincidence.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5475316.msg63219730#msg63219730
On many forums, if you ask the admin, he can delete your account completely as if it never existed
But on this forum that there is no such opportunity for nobody. The admin will not delete your account even if you ask him to. Although technically he can do this. The forum engine allows this.
If it's a difficult even to change your nickname here, then what kind of account deletion can we even talk about?
The most you can do is push a report button of your messages

If it's a difficult even to change your nickname here It was difficult, but he did it.
How many users have changed their name on the forum recently?



A few more reports of dissatisfaction with the forum and all its personal enemies, such as this

This forum doesn't care about privacy. User Loycev has many more privileges and rights than a regular user. He can see things that the average user cannot see. However, Loycev is not an even a global moderator. This is a potential threat to the security of the forum

Thank You for what? Because he surrounded himself with close favorites (LoyceV, noorman0, ETFbitcoin, Little Mouse, PrimeNumber7, decodx, GazetaBitcoin, Royse777, etc) who do what they want here and no one scolds them for it. The forum has been dying for a long time. And the ban on mixers only exposed the long-standing growing mass discontent of users
Why are some given powers (LoyceV, etc) while others are forced to delve into shit? This is not fair.

Reading all messages, we understand that he perfectly understands everything in everything on this forum.


And suddenly this account begins to work as a free Ratimov lawyer in my topic

Okay okay okay
Now listen here everybody. If Ratimov comes here with a bitcoin signed message and confirms his bitcoin address, would you all agree to be accused of libel (total distrusting and tagging as slanderers from all DT members)?

Will not come as much of a surprise if it turns out to be true.

No, it will be a much bigger surprise when it turns out that he didn’t sell the account to anyone.  

More aggressive, and less intellectual. And strange figures of speech.

After so many accusations, why he should be kind? I think anyone would change if they were punished such unfairly
Ratimov is simply in a bad mood. His bad mood is not a proof of account-selling

I can imagine how these detectives will be disgraced and fall into a trap if they also base their accusations on assumptions, if it turns out that Ratimov was actually not selling his account.
Then Ratimov will have every right to open a counter-charge of libel.
There is no need to throw around empty accusations. People tend to change

Creates trolling theme
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476897


And trolls messages related to my topic

keeping asking questions:

6) theymos, are you stille here under account theymos? Please give us a sign that it's still you, not a FBI or SEC authorized person

This account writes in simple English. English is not native to him. Why does he hide his native language?


Similar habits to congratulate yourself and the desire to congratulate him by someone

Someone congratulate me: NEWBIE RANK 1 MERIT

[ABCbits]

--snip--

I believe that Shenanigan is Bitcoin SV's alt. In case you haven't noticed, he has same delusional behavior as BSV. Besides, he keeps making a post then deleting it immediately after, only for posting it again but a bit changed, just like BSV does. As a plus, he also edits the posts (which he does not delete), deleting substantial parts from them, in case someone points the finger to something chaotic / idiotic written by him -- also just like BSV does. For example, just look at the post where you quoted me, which contains a quote from him -- he deleted that post, after he realized he asked an imbecility (n.b. -- that is what account selling means). Then he posted again this post, but slightly changed.

As a plus, he also tends to make same typing / grammar mistakes made by BSV as well. Let's not forget also the constant use of emotes, also just like BSV.

In addition, he pretend other Bitcointalk member think that forum is be decentralized and then say that they're wrong. AFAIK only that user perform do such thing. Quick example,

His forum is rules.

Ok, then don’t tell any more fairy tales about decentralization on the forum.
--snip--

Are you all saw now that how much this forum is decentralized?  
--snip--

P.S. This isn't hard or solid proof.

[examplens]

If you need solid proof, it only can come from theymos or Cyrus, two forum admins.

There has certainly been a change in his approach to giving sMerit. He spent 200 merits in just 32 seconds, on some very old (iconic) posts, and accounts that have not been active in any discussion for a long time. You can't blame him, it's satoshi, laszlo, etc... but I'm still under the impression that this is not what is expected from a merit source.

Sent in the last 120 days
26 November 2023, 12:21:18: 24 to [banned mixer] for Re: ➡️➡️ [ANN] | [banned mixer] | BITCOIN MIXER ⬅️⬅️
23 November 2023, 11:07:18: 15 to izooomrud for (Deleted/Off-limits/Ignored)
15 November 2023, 10:35:33: 50 to laszlo for Pizza for bitcoins?
15 November 2023, 10:35:23: 50 to GameKyuubi for I AM HODLING
15 November 2023, 10:35:14: 50 to Hal for Bitcoin and me (Hal Finney)
15 November 2023, 10:35:01: 50 to satoshi for Welcome to the new Bitcoin forum!
09 November 2023, 09:18:51: 4 to andy_pelevin for (Deleted/Off-limits/Ignored)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=2627711

I believe that Shenanigan is Bitcoin SV's alt. In case you haven't noticed, he has same delusional behavior as BSV. Besides, he keeps making a post then deleting it immediately after, only for posting it again but a bit changed, just like BSV does. As a plus, he also edits the posts (which he does not delete), deleting substantial parts from them, in case someone points the finger to something chaotic / idiotic written by him -- also just like BSV does. For example, just look at the post where you quoted me, which contains a quote from him -- he deleted that post, after he realized he asked an imbecility (n.b. -- that is what account selling means). Then he posted again this post, but slightly changed.

As a plus, he also tends to make same typing / grammar mistakes made by BSV as well. Let's not forget also the constant use of emotes, also just like BSV.

He also reminds me of someone, but since I ignore most trolls, I didn't manage to recognize who it was. Just another account to ignore. I'm even surprised that so many more experienced members enter into a discussion with him.
Don't feed the troll.

[ineedhelpplease]

Ah alright I see now. Thanks for the heads up! It does correlate with some of the clown stuff i’ve been seeing go around on the forums of people using alts I thought it was not allowed at first too but it seems like you’re allowed to use other accounts as long as you aren’t evading or breaking the rules on them. Not sure how these trolls still exist I suppose they’re using some loophole where they’re just annoying but not rule breaking enough to get banned.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I returned to the history of Ratimov’s appearance on the forum (although some posts are no longer even in the archives). I also remember very well the appearance of this person on the forum. He did not come to the forum but burst into it. In his history, there were many reports on the removal of spam from the Russian section, after which Merit Source awarded him many merits, which caused the first dissatisfaction among users. Even then, Ratimov was famous for his hot character and possessing obscene language, although not as rude as we see today.

This is probably a psychological problem for Ratimov, to prove to everyone that he can do more and wants to be the first. We all saw his passion for leadership.

And when he has already achieved his goal, his apogee, they begin to accuse him of improper behavior on the forum (I will combine everything). How should this person feel in such a situation? Some people say about him that he is passionate about creating content. But after almost everyone turned their backs on him, does he need this? After he showed all his “FI” disrespect, he proved once again that he could not control his emotions.

Affected ego, bruised ego, wounded vanity—all this is screaming inside him today. He was offended by everyone—the entire forum—after the “work” that he thought he had done.

Now I think everything is logical. He behaves in such a way as to appear impudent, without respect for anyone, not even those who supported him, because behavior is difficult to explain from a man’s perspective.

For some weak people, aggression is a good defense. We don’t see him offline; maybe he’s crying into his pillow.
As a result, and as a Russian speaker, I do not see any difference in the writing style that Ratimov previously had. Now, insolence and rudeness are a defense, a mask.

Sometimes you believe the proverb: “The higher you fly, the more painful it is to fall.”

There has certainly been a change in his approach to giving sMerit. He spent 200 merits in just 32 seconds, on some very old (iconic) posts, and accounts that have not been active in any discussion for a long time. You can't blame him, it's satoshi, laszlo, etc... but I'm still under the impression that this is not what is expected from a merit source.

Дaть мepит Caтoши - этo, cвoeгo poдa, дaнь yвaжeния. Teм бoлee, oбъeктивнo гoвopя, вce eгo пocты пpeдcтaвляют цeннocть, нe имeeт cмыcлa кидaть зaбaнeным, a Caтoши пpocтo в cпящeм peжимe. Дaжe гдe-тo читaл peкoмeндaцию, чтo ecли вaм нeкyдa дeть cмepиты, oтпpaвьтe иx нa пocты Caтoши.

If it was a new account, why would it waste merit?

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Sometimes you believe the proverb: “The higher you fly, the more painful it is to fall.”

I think we all needs to give him a lot of time so that he can recover his wound and live a normal life.

I believe that Shenanigan is Bitcoin SV's alt.

It's not forbidden to have alt. There are many reasons for having alts. Not everyone want to express their opinion which could cause their good character reputation to a complicated personal characteristics.

[Onyeeze]

I talked with Ratimov from almost the first day of his appearance on the forum and with a probability of 90 percent I can say that John sold his account. I will sign in more detail if there is time, but attentive users can now study Ratimov account and confirm my thoughts.

There needs to be proof posted in order for anyone to take this seriously. No offense to you, but that's how it is on here. Word of mouth only opens the door, proof closes the case. If you have proof, feel free to post it.

I'm in line with what you said because we can't just believe on a merely fabricated story, the only thing can makes us to believe is proof of evidence, such account of Ratimov can't be sold like that because I think from the writing method of Ratimov it indicates that its a young man and mostly people that always interested to sell their account is people who is aged or people who have a multiple accounts, so even though Ratimov have a multiple account it will not sell his Ratimov account because the account is well known in the forum as a reputable and creative one, in order to justify his accounts I think op need a strong proof

[CryptoPravda]

We don’t see him offline; maybe he’s crying into his pillow.

Or maybe the troll is laughs here and calculates the money from the sale.

Now, insolence and rudeness are a defense, a mask.

and you forgot about losing his memory selectively. He remembers some users, there are no others. And with old acquaintances communicates as never before.

as a Russian speaker, I do not see any difference in the writing style that Ratimov previously had.

as a Russian speaker you are brazenly lying.




Better answer. Why do all this if you want to keep posting? Did he start changing his password and email out of stress ?

I see he also changed his password and email today...
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It's interesting that after all this circus he remained in the same campaign

Now all that's left is changing the payment address for his signature campaign

So let's make a sum-up of recent events:

- this topic exposes all Ratimov / Symmetrick's shenanigans from past years
- many DT and non-DT users distrust him or stop trusting him and, eventually, he is kicked out of DT and his DT strength goes from +13 to -9
- he starts a mass purge of his old posts and topics, possibly some with plagiarism evidence, involving also in his actions the 2 Russian mods which he fools into becoming his garbage men, until theymos puts a stop to this (it was too late anyway)
- he deletes all his left feedbacks, retracts all his support for flags and wipes his Trust list
- stops posting in international sections and resumes only to Russian local board
- stops earning merits with lightning speed; stops sending merits with lightning speed (if you check his merit activity you can see that lately he sent some merits at intervals of ~one week)
- changes his name
- changes his email and password.

What do all these seem like?

[lovesmayfamilis]

Better answer. Why do all this if you want to keep posting? Did he start changing his password and email out of stress ?

Go ahead and blame me too . I also recently changed both my password and email. Such themselves evidence.

I won't delve into your investigations. But you seem to be wishful thinking.  Over the past five years, the forum has changed people. Someone who was a beginner will be a different person five years later.

If you remember, Ratimov wrote without spaces, putting commas immediately after the word (everything is in history). It's conspicuous and awkward to read. It is unlikely that he did not see this himself. Then he was also accused of an alternative, although I don’t remember whose as if he was disguising another account. But after a while, he changed his style and began to write correctly.

Such people will not just leave the forum. Too expensive a place.

[CryptoPravda]

Such people will not just leave the forum. Too expensive a place.

And that’s why you need to delete everything in order to continue writing.

Such people will not just leave the forum. Too expensive a place.

they sell it and then troll from another account

[suchmoon]

If it was a new account, why would it waste merit?

Hoarding merit has no benefit. It's not a "waste" to spend it, that's the only way to use it.

Also most of these big spends happened before the password change so presumably it was not the new owner yet.

[dkbit98]

I think this was one of the last times I talked with real Ratimov in this forum.
He used his well known dirty language and complained why someone else created new revived topic about crypto cards (that he archived previously).
Not long after this, his account changed hands, that is my speculation.

Where is the link to the author of the topic? Where the fuck is the element of quoting someone else’s material that you’re all telling me about here? You simply copied what I did, even my cut-out photos, and presented it as your work.

He said that he continues where you stopped, and you don't really have the right to complain after you deleted a bunch of your posts and topics without any explanation  

All his archived posts are available on Ninjastic website:
https://ninjastic.space/search?author=Symmetrick

[GazetaBitcoin]

I think this was one of the last times I talked with real Ratimov in this forum.
He used his well known dirty language

That was almost a colloquial, academic language! When I talked to him in one of last times this is the way he expressed himself:

Ha ha, stupid motherfucker [...] son of a Romanian whore who was gang-raped.

(Among others.)

[JeromeTash]

I think this was one of the last times I talked with real Ratimov in this forum.
He used his well known dirty language

That was almost a colloquial, academic language! When I talked to him in one of last times this is the way he expressed himself:

Ha ha, stupid motherfucker [...] son of a Romanian whore who was gang-raped.

(Among others.)

In other words, he was trying to emulate TMAN's poetry but failed miserably? Everything he had built over the years came crashing down overnight!

[yahoo62278]

Has anyone sent a message informing him of this thread or asking him to defend himself? That would be a good starting point, if he declines or whatnot, then we go from there. I'm sure he will decline to comment, but someone should at least inform him so he is aware.

[CryptoPravda]

Has anyone sent a message informing him of this thread or asking him to defend himself? That would be a good starting point, if he declines or whatnot, then we go from there. I'm sure he will decline to comment, but someone should at least inform him so he is aware.

The new owner of the account knows everything. But he could not say anything but insults. As already written earlier, he is more stupid than Ratimov. Ratimov also insulted, but wrote something in the case.


Reputation in Russian local
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg63289808#msg63289808

Шaньян этo 100% Paтимыч, вoт тaм в aнглo пocтax eгo cтиль видeн чeткo. Дa и мaтa нe ocoбo, в oтличиe oт тoгo, чтo мы тyт y ceбя видeли. Я тoлькo пoнять нe мoгy, нaxpeнa вcя этa клoyнaдa, ecли oн дeйcтвитeльнo ничeгo нe пpoдaвaл. Или этo тaкoe дoбpoвoльнoe пaдeниe  в пoлнyю пyчинy?

Tы дypaчoк и твoи 100% тaкиe жe 100% кaк и твoи пpoгнoзы oтнocитeльнo тoгo, чтo pынкy cкopo пeздa, гoтoвьтecь. Becь 22 гoд ты eбaлoм тopгoвaл oтнocитeльнo тoгo, чтo cкopo pocт, нe ждитe мeньшe, ceйчac жe тopгyeшь eбaлoм, чтo вcё плoxo, вecь гoд гoтoвимcя к пaдeнию. Aнaлитикa этo нe твoё. Кaкoй тeбe cтиль aнaлизиpoвaть, oлeнь, ты cнaчaлa pынoк нayчиcь aнaлизиpoвaть.

Дaжe aнглocaкcы oкaзaлиcь yмнee вac, cтaдa eбaнoгo, пoвтopяющeгo oднy и тy жe шизoфpeнию. Чeлoвeкy oпытнoмy и нaблюдaющeмy зa тpoллями oчeвиднo, чтo этo нoвый aккayнт кopнepa, тaм yжe этo пoняли, в oтличиe oт тeбя, eбaнyтoгo, кoтopый пытaeтcя пpипиcaть мнe oчepeднyю xyйню дeшeвyю. Зaпoмни, идиoт, мнe нe нyжны нoвыe aккayнты, я тeбя или кoгo yгoднo мoгy и c ocнoвнoгo нaxyй пocлaть и cкaзaть, вcё чтo я o нём дyмaю, и мнe нe нyжeн для этoгo oтдeльный aккayнт.

C кaждым днём лишний paз yбeждaюcь чтo тyт кpeтин нa кpeтинe, пpocтo пиздeц кaкoй-тo, кoмьюнити дeгpaдиpyeт и бoльшинcтвo cюдa зaxoдит зaнимaтьcя иcключитeльнo тeм, чтoбы плecти интpиги, pacпpocтpaнять вcякyю xyйню, фeйки, cлyxи, дoмыcлы и пpoчyю чyшь. Этo нe фopyм пpo кpиптy, этo cбopищe дeгeнepaтoв, кoтopым нexyй зaнятьcя и oни пpиxoдят cюдa включить peжим пиздaбoлa и выcpaть cвoю apxи-yмнyю мыcль.

Oдин oлeнь нaпишeт шизoфpeнию, cтaдo пpибeжит пoдxpюкивaть, ниxyя ничeгo нe aнaлизиpyя, ни в чём нe paзбиpaяcь, пpocтo бeздyмнo пoвтopяя oдин зa дpyгим.

This is his first appearance in reputation after a long time.
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There is almost nothing to translate there.Except for insults, he is said that Shenanigan is a famous troll in Russian local Korner. Of course this is not so, Korner never did it only in English and he always used the Russian language.
This is his answer to the message that another user also saw in Shenanigan Ratimov.



After I wrote that Shenanigan is troll  account of Ratimov, Shenanigan  stopped troll activity.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476886.msg63288863#msg63288863

[digaran]

After translating the page, I saw a member named Bitcoin Newspaper, to realize it was translated name for GB, lol I wanted to post about it and say he changed username.
On the topic, if you guys are suspecting the other account to be his alt, then take a look at what he is saying, I believe he is concerned for his privacy, continuing to talk about this matter could cause more in real life trouble. But you guys don't care about any of that, you just want to see him crushed no matter the cost.

And if he is really worried about his privacy, he should consult with admin and convey his concerns to him.
I still believe he can recover from this, he just needs to ignore trolls completely, and do the right thing. What is the right thing btw? Oh yeah, continue to discuss what interests you.

[suchmoon]

Has anyone sent a message informing him of this thread or asking him to defend himself? That would be a good starting point, if he declines or whatnot, then we go from there. I'm sure he will decline to comment, but someone should at least inform him so he is aware.

He's fully aware. There is a good chance that the alleged new owner isn't quite as proficient in English, and posting via Google Translate / ChatGPT is cumbersome.

[NotATether]

There has certainly been a change in his approach to giving sMerit. He spent 200 merits in just 32 seconds, on some very old (iconic) posts, and accounts that have not been active in any discussion for a long time. You can't blame him, it's satoshi, laszlo, etc... but I'm still under the impression that this is not what is expected from a merit source.

Sent in the last 120 days
26 November 2023, 12:21:18: 24 to [banned mixer] for Re: ➡️➡️ [ANN] | [banned mixer] | BITCOIN MIXER ⬅️⬅️
23 November 2023, 11:07:18: 15 to izooomrud for (Deleted/Off-limits/Ignored)
15 November 2023, 10:35:33: 50 to laszlo for Pizza for bitcoins?
15 November 2023, 10:35:23: 50 to GameKyuubi for I AM HODLING
15 November 2023, 10:35:14: 50 to Hal for Bitcoin and me (Hal Finney)
15 November 2023, 10:35:01: 50 to satoshi for Welcome to the new Bitcoin forum!
09 November 2023, 09:18:51: 4 to andy_pelevin for (Deleted/Off-limits/Ignored)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=2627711

Talk about turning into Darth Vader!

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Has anyone sent a message informing him of this thread or asking him to defend himself? That would be a good starting point, if he declines or whatnot, then we go from there. I'm sure he will decline to comment, but someone should at least inform him so he is aware.

He's fully aware. There is a good chance that the alleged new owner isn't quite as proficient in English, and posting via Google Translate / ChatGPT is cumbersome.

He proved himself as a great escape person when there is anything about him which is not in his favour. Someone who will send him a message even can risk their account to be reported to the mod for unsolicited message LOL

[Don Pedro Dinero]

He's fully aware. There is a good chance that the alleged new owner isn't quite as proficient in English, and posting via Google Translate / ChatGPT is cumbersome.

I don't think that's the reason, as Ratimov also used google translator, like more than half the forum nowadays.

It might be noticeable, if Ratimov knew some English and the current owner hardly any, in the corrections to what google translator writes by him before publishing the post, which might sound more natural, but I think it's more because of everything that has been discussed in the thread I don't think the linguistic issue is the most relevant.

[ineedhelpplease]

This thread blew up a lot more than I ever expected tbh. How big was he in the community? It seems like he did a lot of things already and has been here for years too.

[BITCOIN4X]

This thread blew up a lot more than I ever expected tbh. How big was he in the community? It seems like he did a lot of things already and has been here for years too.

That means you have set a low standard for this case. Symmetrick is behind theymos (Administrator Forum) in terms of earn merit. He is one of the famous and phenomenal users, but has also become controversial recently. Symmetrick is also the most generous merit source so far in his service, he is ranked 7th on that large list.

I had my doubts about whether Symmetrick had changed hands, but he didn't respond to any of the community's questions so the suspicions were growing. If Symmetrick is still the same person, then he must have been getting a lot of notifications on his device because I'm sure he must have subscribed to notification bots before.

[LoyceV]

Has anyone sent a message informing him of this thread or asking him to defend himself?

I'm pretty sure he's seen the red tag on his account, which links to this topic.

My conclusion one way or another: Ratimov is gone.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

IF it's true, then we'll see first case of sold account with merit source status.

Man oh man, I'm just starting to read this thread and I see it's already gone quite a number of pages, so I'll probably add to my post here as I learn more.  And yeah, I think this would be the first case of a merit source account changing hands.  Can you imagine how dangerous that would be if it went undiscovered?  Jesus.  I shall continue reading....

Evidence is required for this charge. So far I see the subjective opinion of one user from the locale board #10.0

Lol.  I've thus far read as far as your post and I'm seeing more evidence than I've had in the past to justify tagging other members for selling/buying accounts.  The only other possibility is that Ratimov is pretending to be someone else by misusing the Russian language, but does that make any sense?  Not to me.

merits seem to buy loyalty no matter what.

You know, I never really thought about it but unfortunately you're right.  Rank does as well, as does being on DT.  My gut is telling me it shouldn't be this way for a community based on a shared passion for a form of money that eliminates the need for trust (of a 3rd party) and which ought to be comprised of very skeptical individuals, not ones prone to blindly trusting someone based on their statistics on a discussion forum.

[m2017]

In recent messages talked with me as if we had never communicated before.But we had a lot of disputes and communication. Anyone for whom the native language is Russian will notice changes in the style of writing messages.These are not only my thoughts in Russian local.

Of course, this is not strong evidence, so I created a topic to attract the attention of more experienced users

Over time, having reached a certain level of fame, one might say becoming famous on the forum, people may experience changes in behavior because we all change and nothing remains the same. Views on familiar things, thoughts and attitudes towards everything also change, which can result in changes in the manner of communication, as well as in the social circle. This is the well-known effect of “star fever” - having reached a certain level of heights, people move away from their previous circle of people. I have no idea what happened to Ratimov’s account (I’m not going to justify or blame), but your assumptions alone will not be enough. More substantial evidence is required to confirm the transfer or sale of an account.

[CryptoPravda]

Over time, having reached a certain level of fame, one might say becoming famous on the forum, people may experience changes in behavior because we all change and nothing remains the same. Views on familiar things, thoughts and attitudes towards everything also change, which can result in changes in the manner of communication, as well as in the social circle. This is the well-known effect of “star fever” - having reached a certain level of heights, people move away from their previous circle of people. I have no idea what happened to Ratimov’s account (I’m not going to justify or blame), but your assumptions alone will not be enough. More substantial evidence is required to confirm the transfer or sale of an account.

I think this is even more significant evidence if you do not have enough of my arrguments.
Why would he do all this if he wanted to continue to write and earn on the signatures?

I see he also changed his password and email today...
~
It's interesting that after all this circus he remained in the same campaign

Now all that's left is changing the payment address for his signature campaign

So let's make a sum-up of recent events:

- this topic exposes all Ratimov / Symmetrick's shenanigans from past years
- many DT and non-DT users distrust him or stop trusting him and, eventually, he is kicked out of DT and his DT strength goes from +13 to -9
- he starts a mass purge of his old posts and topics, possibly some with plagiarism evidence, involving also in his actions the 2 Russian mods which he fools into becoming his garbage men, until theymos puts a stop to this (it was too late anyway)
- he deletes all his left feedbacks, retracts all his support for flags and wipes his Trust list
- stops posting in international sections and resumes only to Russian local board
- stops earning merits with lightning speed; stops sending merits with lightning speed (if you check his merit activity you can see that lately he sent some merits at intervals of ~one week)
- changes his name
- changes his email and password.

What do all these seem like?

Add to all these that meanwhile he also was demoted from Merit Source position and cancels a 0.0435 BTC sponsorship with a few days before he is supposed to make the payment (after benefiting one year from the reputation and popularity gained by saying that he is the sponsor of that contest).

Then, for "clearing" the account even more, I'd also apply for a name change. This did not depend only on him, but theymos was generous so we can say this step was also Checked..

I'd eliminate any negative feedbacks I left in the past, thus there would be low chances for other rants to appear to my "new" account and jeopardize a possible deal with a customer, which may not be interested om an account involved in accusations, beefs with other users etc. Checked.

I'd be mostly inactive for avoiding other conflicts or, if I needed to be a bit active I'd remain inside my local board, where less people would see what I'm doing. Checked.

I'd cancel any sponsorship, as no potential client for my account would be interested in buying the account with a debt of 0.0435 BTC. Checked.

I'd change my username and password. Checked.

Eventually, I'd also enroll in a better paying campaign, thus the account would look even more appealing for being bought. Checked.

What's there more to say? Ratimov Symmetrick checked all the above criteria, which are common sense for someone trying to obtain a very good price for his account. Let's not forget, this not an ordinary Legendary account, but fourth most merited account on the forum. (Of course, a client would never be informed that those merits were made in thousands by copy-paste and plagiarism, but that's another discussion.)

When changing the owner, all these actions are logical.

[Lucius]

Has anyone sent a message informing him of this thread or asking him to defend himself?

I'm pretty sure he's seen the red tag on his account, which links to this topic.
My conclusion one way or another: Ratimov is gone.

From everything I've read on this topic, I can only say that I'm surprised that everyone is still dealing with Ratimov or whatever it's called today, while I'm absolutely sure that the person behind that account has at least a few more high-ranking accounts on this forum and that topics like this actually benefit him much more than they harm him.

I also do not doubt that the same person is still behind that account, but considering all the procedures and actions he did to destroy that account, this alleged sale is only the last in a series of successful deceptions.

While we here are wondering whether his account is in someone else's hands or not, I believe that he is proud of having deceived the majority once again - in other words, he is just continuing what he has been doing since the first day - and as I can see, people still have great sympathy for him - merits seem to buy loyalty no matter what.

[m2017]

From everything I've read on this topic, I can only say that I'm surprised that everyone is still dealing with Ratimov or whatever it's called today, while I'm absolutely sure that the person behind that account has at least a few more high-ranking accounts on this forum and that topics like this actually benefit him much more than they harm him.

I also do not doubt that the same person is still behind that account, but considering all the procedures and actions he did to destroy that account, this alleged sale is only the last in a series of successful deceptions.

While we here are wondering whether his account is in someone else's hands or not, I believe that he is proud of having deceived the majority once again - in other words, he is just continuing what he has been doing since the first day - and as I can see, people still have great sympathy for him - merits seem to buy loyalty no matter what.

You write as if Ratimov is a user who fooled the entire forum and all his steps are thought out in advance, not allowing others to predict all his actions. Doesn't his power seem overrated?

I have my doubts about the destruction of an account that had quite an impressive reputation and influence on the forum. It seems to me that this does not look like a calculated move, but most likely an unfortunate accident that led to such an outcome. Black PR, of course, is also PR, but how can you monetize it when your entire reputation is ruined? A clean account would bring him more benefit than a dirty one, or am I misunderstanding something.

Well, he definitely got his share of hype, but what next? It was the newcomers who got most of the merits. Sympathy is on one side of the scale, on the other hand, many people experience antipathy, and from no less visible and active forum participants, that is, old-timers of the forum.  In my opinion, in which direction the advantage is obvious.

I think this is even more significant evidence if you do not have enough of my arrguments.
Why would he do all this if he wanted to continue to write and earn on the signatures?

Only he himself can answer this question. Have you tried asking him about this?

[JollyGood]

This thread blew up a lot more than I ever expected tbh. How big was he in the community? It seems like he did a lot of things already and has been here for years too.

Your is not the only account, there have been several others new over the past 5-6 months that have behaved suspiciously.

You know far too much about this forum considering your "ineedhelpplease" account was created in October 2023. Having said that, whenever you want you ask questions in an attempt to demonstrate you are a newbie you do and when you decide to post in-depth you do. How many accounts do you have here?

Has anyone sent a message informing him of this thread or asking him to defend himself?

I'm pretty sure he's seen the red tag on his account, which links to this topic.

My conclusion one way or another: Ratimov is gone.

I did not check post history or posting styles (and most of his posts are in Russian language) since the account-selling allegations but from what others are stating it seems the account has changed hands. If that is true, I find it strange he (or any other member with merit source) would sell their account.

[Lucius]

You write as if Ratimov is a user who fooled the entire forum and all his steps are thought out in advance, not allowing others to predict all his actions. Doesn't his power seem overrated?
~snip~

I have my own opinion, which does not mean that I am right - but I already wrote before that Ratimov is the product of the strongest local board on the forum, that he managed to progress for years regardless of his methods, to which the majority turned a blind eye and showered him with merits - and today those same people are attacking him from all angles...

He would still be in his position today if it wasn't for the determination of one member who rolled the avalanche that buried Ratimov, but he is now a completely meaningless story because, as I already said, I'm sure there are a lot of Ratimov alts who will continue on his path, of course, much more carefully than he did.

[GazetaBitcoin]

You write as if Ratimov is a user who fooled the entire forum

He actually did fool the entire forum. Have you read this topic?

He would still be in his position today if it wasn't for the determination of one member who rolled the avalanche that buried Ratimov

If you talk about me, I just tried to put in order all his actions from the past years, in a coherent and thorough way, unlike the previous topics at his address, which looked more like rants and they were posted by alt accounts (and, as a consequence, were ignored by many forum users, although they also spoke the truth about him).

[CryptoPravda]

Only he himself can answer this question. Have you tried asking him about this?

I asked him directly in the Russian locale. Why did he delete all the topics and why not explain everything. In response I received a bunch of curse words. His behavior is inadequate. And it does not correspond to the status of his account.

[ineedhelpplease]

This thread blew up a lot more than I ever expected tbh. How big was he in the community? It seems like he did a lot of things already and has been here for years too.

Your is not the only account, there have been several others new over the past 5-6 months that have behaved suspiciously.

You know far too much about this forum considering your "ineedhelpplease" account was created in October 2023. Having said that, whenever you want you ask questions in an attempt to demonstrate you are a newbie you do and when you decide to post in-depth you do. How many accounts do you have here?

Has anyone sent a message informing him of this thread or asking him to defend himself?

I'm pretty sure he's seen the red tag on his account, which links to this topic.

My conclusion one way or another: Ratimov is gone.

I did not check post history or posting styles (and most of his posts are in Russian language) since the account-selling allegations but from what others are stating it seems the account has changed hands. If that is true, I find it strange he (or any other member with merit source) would sell their account.

I don’t know too much about this forum I’m still learning. I don’t even know what “DT” stands for yet for example and until yesterday I thought making alts wasn’t allowed, thought the forum bans scammers, thought the mods did IP checks frequently, etc.
I’m confused by in depth too, show a post please. And I don’t need to show that im a newbie either when my post count and merit are literally small.

I started posting here because well this is literally all that I post on. Rollbits admin Rollbit Razer basically fucked me out of around $7k and I discovered this forum through searching for bad rollbit experiences and reviews. and I want to try and make that money back too

[Saint-loup]

He withdrawn his merit source role and he out from high paid campaign, if he want to sell his account, the two things I mentioned above would increase his account value. For me it doesn't make sense he sell his account with the current condition when he could make more.

What if he transferred the ownership of private keys too?  

There's always any possibility, but talking about selling his wallet is too far IMO. That will affect the whole thing as sign a message is a solid proof to prove ownership or legitimacy.

Sorry but I think you are very optimistic and maybe a little bit unworldly if you think people care about that. This is not a religious principle, they don't commit a sin by doing that, so I don't think what you perceive as too immoral to be done is shared by other people. In addition a private key has never been an indisputable proof of identity or ownership, because it can be lost, stolen or given. Even for PGP there is a web of trust scheme, in order to address that and other cryptographic systems use other models such as central authorities (PKI) in order to deliver authenticity certificates.

[Lucius]

He would still be in his position today if it wasn't for the determination of one member who rolled the avalanche that buried Ratimov

If you talk about me, I just tried to put in order all his actions from the past years, in a coherent and thorough way, unlike the previous topics at his address, which looked more like rants and they were posted by alt accounts (and, as a consequence, were ignored by many forum users, although they also spoke the truth about him).

Of course, who else would I talk about considering that none of the "influential" members of the forum did anything similar all those years because they thought it was not worth fighting Ratimov and those who protected him. A person who built his reputation by covert plagiarism not only that he was not punished for it, but he was also rewarded with merit source status, which only strengthened his position even more.

That says enough that those at the top were always by his side, and even when you cornered him, we saw that he had a special status when it came to deleting everything that could be deleted, even completely unjustified name change. To me, this whole thing seems much bigger than exposing one member of the forum, because I will just repeat that Ratimov is not so much a problem as the problem is actually the system that created him and protected it all these years.

[digaran]

Do you guys wanna know why nobody tagged him before? Even after canceling the sponsorship? and why there is now the accusation of account sale? Because he was still a merit source, so, after they realized he is no longer a source, they grew a pair, I mean what a loser PP is, to bully someone with no power. They know he is in a weak state, and won't try to retaliate, that's why they tagged him, and I bet in the future he will get more tags.

This whole thing was between him and GB, if GB had him tagged, you couldn't argue much, but a ring kisser doing it? This is pathetic even for a lowlife.

[CryptoPravda]

Do you guys wanna know why nobody tagged him before? Even after canceling the sponsorship? and why there is now the accusation of account sale? Because he was still a merit source, so, after they realized he is no longer a source, they grew a pair, I mean what a loser PP is, to bully someone with no power. They know he is in a weak state, and won't try to retaliate, that's why they tagged him, and I bet in the future he will get more tags.

This whole thing was between him and GB, if GB had him tagged, you couldn't argue much, but a ring kisser doing it? This is pathetic even for a lowlife.

Behavior of the one who now owns the account Symmetrick so inadequate as possible.
This behavior has reached maximum inadequacy in the last days.When the one who owns the account simply ignores any questions.
As previously written. This is not just an ordinary user account. With such an account, it is easy to deceive someone. Not everyone reads reputation topics. More precisely, the reputation reads the minority of the forum users.

[digaran]

Behavior of the one who now owns the account Symmetrick as inadequate as possible.
This behavior has reached maximum inadequacy in the last days.
As previously written. This is not just an ordinary user account. With such an account, it is easy to deceive someone. Not everyone reads reputation topics. More precisely, the reputation reads the minority of the forum users.

Do you have at least 3 credible and trustworthy witnesses to vouch for your claims? Because if you don't have them, then ruining someone's account like this is a sin, do you understand that? You'd need to bring 3 neutral witnesses here, where are they?

[CryptoPravda]

Because if you don't have them, then ruining someone's account like this is a sin

Ratimov himself destroyed the account when he deleted everything that was possible. And insulting everyone who is possible. And then selling it. But even if you do not believe in sale, the account was already destroyed by him. Most of the merits are now not deserved, because all topics are deleted and many posts.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468454.msg63297705#msg63297705

this is a sin

And if you stutter about sin. In any country, in any religion, it is a big sin to insult the last words of someone's mother. First, Ratimov did this, and then the one to whom he sold his account. So I want to say with words from one of the most famous films among Russian -speaking people. Probably only Russian -speaking will understand this for sure. But they almost all read this topic, but do not participate, so it is appropriate. And this will be read by Ratimov himself and the one to whom he sold.

Remember...there's no punishment without guilt.
https://youtu.be/bRSBW5kL560?t=3103

[digaran]

it is a big sin to insult the last words of someone's mother

Listen, let me tell you something, where I live, if you insult someone's mother like that, there is a %99 probability to die after doing it, so I know about these issues. Even though close friends blatantly insult their friend's mothers, sisters, aunts, lol just not wives, they do this to show others that they are really close to each other, it's a stupid thing I know, and it's among less than %0.0001 of population. So I know that it depends on who is doing the insulting.
But that is not the case, he had no rights to insult people like that, does that mean we should ignore due process? You bring your solid evidence, your credible witnesses, and then everyone can have their orgy on his trust page. If that satisfies your pride and honour.
Edit: strike through, inaccurate statement.

[LoyceV]

Do you guys wanna know why nobody tagged him before?

Why didn't you?

Even after canceling the sponsorship?

There is no victim yet. If whoever wins the contest creates a type 2 Flag, I'm think it may get enough Support to become active.

and why there is now the accusation of account sale? Because he was still a merit source, so, after they realized he is no longer a source, they grew a pair, I mean what a loser PP is, to bully someone with no power. They know he is in a weak state, and won't try to retaliate, that's why they tagged him, and I bet in the future he will get more tags.

Yeah, you got me, I'm scared shitless for not getting more Merit from Ratimov. What am I going to do now without it?

he had no rights to insult people like that

Noted. You choose violence over people's freedom of speech.

[digaran]

Do you guys wanna know why nobody tagged him before?

Why didn't you?

Even after canceling the sponsorship?

There is no victim yet. If whoever wins the contest creates a type 2 Flag, I'm think it may get enough Support to become active.

and why there is now the accusation of account sale? Because he was still a merit source, so, after they realized he is no longer a source, they grew a pair, I mean what a loser PP is, to bully someone with no power. They know he is in a weak state, and won't try to retaliate, that's why they tagged him, and I bet in the future he will get more tags.

Yeah, you got me, I'm scared shitless for not getting more Merit from Ratimov. What am I going to do now without it?

he had no rights to insult people like that

Noted. You choose violence over people's freedom of speech.

Loyce please accept the lord as your saviour and try not to twist my words or take offense when I talk. Where did I chose violence over freedom?
Where did I say anyone needed merits from him? I said nobody tagged him when he was a source because they were scared that it would be interpreted as going against the forum itself.
Btw, did you tag him too? I can't tell because I only saw PP tag on him not anyone else, so why did you think I'm talking about you?
And why didn't I tagged him? Because the moment I confronted him, he backed off and started to go crazy like it's the end of the world, would you like me to show you my exact post?

[knowngunman]

Ratimov himself destroyed the account when he deleted everything that was possible. And insulting everyone who is possible. And then selling it. But even if you do not believe in sale, the account was already destroyed by him. Most of the merits are now not deserved, because all topics are deleted and many posts.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468454.msg63297705#msg63297705

And if you stutter about sin. In any country, in any religion, it is a big sin to insult the last words of someone's mother. First, Ratimov did this, and then the one to whom he sold his account. So I want to say with words from one of the most famous films among Russian -speaking people. Probably only Russian -speaking will understand this for sure. But they almost all read this topic, but do not participate, so it is appropriate. And this will be read by Ratimov himself and the one to whom he sold.

Remember...there's no punishment without guilt.
https://youtu.be/bRSBW5kL560?t=3103

You actually presented an argument beyond reasonable doubt but I still think it would be more better to maintain the neutrality of the case until proven otherwise. The emphasis you laid on the selling of ratimov account is way too high. Reading from the beginning of this thread and some other thread, one could notice the change pattern of the account but is it actually sold as we all assumed? I don't think so because no sane person will buy an account that has some questions to answer unless you want to waste your money for nothing.

The probability of hacking is very slim here because the hacker might be interested to keep in line with the previous pattern in order not to get noticed and ratimov might possibly create account to raise alarm over the matter. It's just difficult to tell but I believe the detective in the forum will definitely be working over it already to dig it out. It's sad how ratimov ruined reputation even before this whole saga of account changing ownership.

[Sexylizzy2813]

This Ratimov issue is becoming more interesting and confusing at the same time even hard to believe if something as selling his account is even true, OP might be right or wrong but I'd say with all evidence that have been brought upon this account of Ratimov, I still hope to see someone who knows him very well to come give us anything to convince us that he's still the one operating the account or not.
We shouldn't be assuming because it won't help out in any way, I'd suggest someone from his community should step up and help clear this mess, let's know who we're dealing with.

[Rikafip]

I'd suggest someone from his community should step up and help clear this mess, let's know who we're dealing with.

Few of them already shared their opinion but I don't think we came up much closer to the conclusion whether he sold his account of not. At least I didn't.

Let's say (for the sake of the argument) that Ratimov indeed sold the account and someone else is controlling it now, wouldn't that person try to go under the radar in order not to be detected? I am asking because that account is allegedly more aggressive than Ratimov used to be (who we know already has anger issues) and that behaviour doesn't make much sense to me from someone who tries to profit from the newly acquired account.

Since I don't speak Russian I can't say whether account changed hands or not, but what lovesmayfamilis wrote makes much sense to me and could explain change in his behaviour.

Affected ego, bruised ego, wounded vanity—all this is screaming inside him today.

As a result, and as a Russian speaker, I do not see any difference in the writing style that Ratimov previously had. Now, insolence and rudeness are a defense, a mask.

[CryptoPravda]

Other reports from users of the Russian locale about a noticeable change in Ratimov's writing style.

Duckduckgo translation.

Я вoт eщe oбpaтил внимaниe, чтo peзкo yпaлa aктивнocть тoвapищa Symmetrick,  в пpoшлoм Paтимoвa.
Дaжe coздaeтcя впeчaтлeниe, чтo cмeнa никa пpивeлa и к тoмy, чтo пocты Symmetrick пocтит дpyгoй пoльзoвaтeль. He yвepeн в этoм, нo ecли oбидeл тeбя, ты yж извини...
Ho фaкты вeдь вeщь нeyмoлимaя.
Eжeнeдeльнoe oбнoвлeниe тaблицы пoдпиcныx зaбpocил. Пpo кapты ничeгo нoвoгo нe пocтит, дa и мнoгo чeгo дpyгoгo.
Booбщeм интpигa.

I have also noticed that the activity of Symmetrick's comrade, Ratimov in the past, has fallen sharply. It even seems that the change of nickname has led to the fact that Symmetrick's posts are posted by another user. I'm not sure about that, but if I've offended you, I'm sorry... But facts are an inexorable thing. The weekly update of the subscription table is abandoned. He doesn't post anything new about maps, and a lot of other things. In general, it's intriguing.

Дa, тoжe cклaдывaeтcя впeчaтлeниe, чтo Cиммeтpик мaлo пoxoж нa Paтимoвa... Boзмoжнo, этo лoжнoe впeчaтлeниe. Инoгдa бывaeт тaк, чтo чeлoвeк в нeкoтopыe пepиoды cвoeй жизни caм нa ceбя нe пoxoж. Ho здecь нeчтo дpyгoe. Caм cтиль пocтoв cтaл нeмнoгo дpyгим. Бoлee лaкoничным, чтo ли. Paтимoв чacтo впoлнe paзвёpнyтo выpaжaл cвoи мыcли. Плюc, дa, y нeгo opгaничecкaя aктивнocть былa нa нecкoлькo пopядкoв вышe.
   Oн инoгдa вcтyпaл в мнoгocтpaничныe cпopы. И тaм в тex диcкyccияx y нeгo был coвepшeннo ocoбый cтиль apгyмeнтaции. Этo кaк oтпeчaтки пaльцeв. Иx пoддeлaть пpaктичecки нeвoзмoжнo. Пepвaя жe бoльшaя диcкyccия и вcё cтaнeт яcнo.

Yes, one also gets the impression that Symmetrick bears little resemblance to Ratimov... Perhaps this is a false impression. Sometimes it happens that a person in some periods of his life does not look like himself. But there's something different here. The style of the posts itself has become a little different. More concise, or something. Ratimov often expressed his thoughts quite extensively. Plus, yes, its organic activity was several orders of magnitude higher. He sometimes got into multi-page arguments. And there, in those discussions, he had a very special style of argumentation. It's like fingerprints. It is almost impossible to fake them. The first big discussion and everything will become clear.

A вoзмoжнo тaкoe, чтo aккayнт пpoдaн дpyгoмy чeлoвeкy? Beдь тaкoй вapиaнт иcключaть нeльзя. Boт и cтиль нaпиcaния пocтoв coвceм инoй. Я, кcтaти, тaкжe зaмeтил, чтo нe тoт cтиль oбщeния cтaл. Бoлee пpocтoй и бeз яpкиx выcкaзывaний.

Пo жeлaнию мoжнo пoмeнять cтиль oбщeния? Дa, нo тaкoe нeвepoятнo cлoжнo peaлизoвaть нa пpaктикe. Этo нyжнo cтoлькo ycилий пpилoжить к этoмy, чтo oнo тoгo нe cтoит. He дyмaю, чтo был выбpaн тaкoй вapиaнт.

Is it possible that the account has been sold to another person? After all, this option cannot be ruled out. So the style of writing posts is completely different. By the way, I also noticed that the style of communication was not the same. Simpler and without flashy statements. Can I change my communication style if I wish? Yes, but it's incredibly difficult to put into practice. It takes so much effort that it's not worth it. I don't think that option was chosen.

Boзмoжнo вce, нo былo бы нeплoxo, ecли бы oн caм пpoяcнил cвoe peшeниe.
Либo кoнфликт в aнглopaздeлe тaк нa нeгo пoвлиял и oн peшил yйти c фopyмa, либo жe c eгo aккayнтoм чтo-тo пpoизoшлo(пpoдaжa/взлoм). Ecть пoкa нeкoтopыe пoдoзpeния, yчитывaя, чтo cмeнa никa, пapoля и пoчты eгo aккayнтa пpoизoшли зa дoвoльнo-тaки кopoткий пpoмeжyтoк вpeмeни.

Anything is possible, but it would be nice if he could clarify his decision himself. Either the conflict in the English section affected him so much that he decided to leave the forum, or something happened to his account (sale/hacking). There are still some suspicions, given that the change of nickname, password and email of his account took place in a fairly short period of time.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Of course, who else would I talk about considering that none of the "influential" members of the forum did anything similar all those years because they thought it was not worth fighting Ratimov and those who protected him. A person who built his reputation by covert plagiarism not only that he was not punished for it, but he was also rewarded with merit source status, which only strengthened his position even more.

What I really think about all the facts you mentioned above is this: at first, he impressed many forum users with what-a-good-forum-contributor-he-is-blah-blah-blah. People started giving him merits. He was even named Newbie of the year 2019. Then airfinex exposed his plagiarism for the first time. The fact that he posted from an alt account made his post to not be taken too seriously though. Besides, and here is a very delicate aspect, I believe that some also wanted to close their eyes, for not letting themselves admit that they helped a plagiarist to rank up so fast (remember, Ratimov used to earn merits with light speed for his plagiarized materials). This may be a normal human reaction, up to some point though. But when these people saw crystal clear that they supported an imposter they should have acted.

Other topics addressing Ratimov's shenanigans appeared during time, but always from alt accounts. And were mostly ignored. He was already feared by then. If someone dared to say anything about him it implied to be red tagged and added to Ratimov's distrust list. This is why, those which dared to speak the truth, did it from alt account; and this is also why they did not succeed.

After his aggressive behavior started to be known he was already feared many users and even DT users. I can tell you that, after I wrote my topic, some DT users confessed to me that they can't speak-up because "the situation is delicate", or "they don't have time" or "they are not certain about the proof I presented" etc., etc., etc. -- it was clear for me, reading their words, to see that they are afraid to talk about Ratimov. Even as DT, they were afraid of a Trust exclusion or of being red tagged or of receiving horrendous insults, like it happened in my case. However, I understood their point of view.

In any case, in time, more and more users found courage to speak-up in my topic and more and more finally opened their eyes or -- to be more correct -- allowed themselves to open their eyes. As a result, they started to distrust this imposter and / or add him to their distrust list. Eventually, even those which were afraid of him did it, seeing that he is losing all his support (excepting the never ending support he has from his most loyal minions, which literally worship him, like madnessteat or jokers10 -- oh, disregard jokers10, I remember that he abandoned the sinking boat LOL!).

I'm sure there are a lot of Ratimov alts who will continue on his path, of course, much more carefully than he did.

I also believe this. Ratimov was literally learning like a machine: he was caught plagiarizing and using that infamous introduction "In this article I would like to touch upon such a theme [...]", which was only meant to steal original author's work? -- He stopped using that introduction. His next materials were just copy-pastes, but not plagiarism anymore (thousands of merits copy-pastes but it is what it is). He was caught leaving incorrect red tags, full of insults and without any ref link? -- He deleted them. Were DT eyes on him for a while? -- He stayed low. Forum's eyes were on him for insulting someone's family? -- He quickly deleted those incriminating posts. And so on.

He tried every possible shenanigan, in order to see how far he can go and in which situations people remain unaware of his miserable acts. If caught, he simply changed that part.

So I'm sure now that he uses some alt accounts but he applies all he learned in those years: he won't try to earn merits with light speed, he won't plagiarize, he won't leave incorrect feedbacks and so on. I guess he will just try to farm some accounts to be able to enroll them in signature campaigns.

Speaking of signature campaigns, I also believe, as I once said, that he'll migrate to other forums:

I suggest to Ratimov that, after he becomes most merited user ever, to do same thing on other forums too and become there also most merited user / most recognized or whatever terminology would be used on other forums. Then post also some plagiarized thesis and take his Ph. D. as well. Why stick only to Internet forums? He could take any diploma in real life as well.

Since here his career is over, he may try same tricks on shitcoinsforum or any other forum. He will present himself there as BitcoinTalk's fifth most merited user and he'll probably get into a good signature campaign then he'll plagiarize there forever, since other forums don't ban plagiarists. He'll become number one (from any / all points of view) on some other forum and he'll be happy with the fact that he managed to fool an entire forum again.

[JollyGood]

Many of his new posts are in the Russian language therefore non-Russian speakers will not be able to use as a comparator his previous posts to new posts. As for the English language posts, they seem to have become less and less than the number Ratimov used to post before the account sale accusations but there does seem to be a difference.

Personally, I tagged the Symmetrick account when too many questions arose about the account no longer being operated by the original owner/creator but apart from one other red tag it seems as though members have refrained from tagging.

Has anyone sent a message informing him of this thread or asking him to defend himself? That would be a good starting point, if he declines or whatnot, then we go from there. I'm sure he will decline to comment, but someone should at least inform him so he is aware.

He's fully aware. There is a good chance that the alleged new owner isn't quite as proficient in English, and posting via Google Translate / ChatGPT is cumbersome.

[Sexylizzy2813]

I'd suggest someone from his community should step up and help clear this mess, let's know who we're dealing with.

Few of them already shared their opinion but I don't think we came up much closer to the conclusion whether he sold his account of not. At least I didn't.


Let's say (for the sake of the argument) that Ratimov indeed sold the account and someone else is controlling it now, wouldn't that person try to go under the radar in order not to be detected? I am asking because that account is allegedly more aggressive than Ratimov used to be (who we know already has anger issues) and that behaviour doesn't make much sense to me from someone who tries to profit from the newly acquired account.

Since I don't speak Russian I can't say whether account changed hands or not, but what lovesmayfamilis wrote makes much sense to me and could explain change in his behaviour.

We can't really say but assuming what's not there is possible and I won't say is anybody's fault for saying the account has been sold or something.
Ok let's say he sold the account and some of us knows he might or should I say he really had issues with some of the members on this Forum and he might have told the current user of the account all about it and this user is just taking it the wrong way by being too hard on any messages that pop up on his PM without him knowing who the person was or why the person messaged him.
Something like that can happen and we shouldn't blame the user. Maybe he's trying to defend himself by mot letting anything that hit Ratimov to get to him.

Affected ego, bruised ego, wounded vanity—all this is screaming inside him today.

As a result, and as a Russian speaker, I do not see any difference in the writing style that Ratimov previously had. Now, insolence and rudeness are a defense, a mask.

Who knows, maybe this is the new Ratimov we all have to deal with, a new version of the Russian @Ratimov.

[LoyceV]

Personally, I tagged the Symmetrick account when too many questions arose about the account no longer being operated by the original owner/creator but apart from one other red tag it seems as though members have refrained from tagging.

I don't really see the point of adding more tags: if it changed owner, there's a clear warning now for anyone to avoid doing business with Ratimov's new nickname. If he's just grumpy and ignoring all the drama he caused, there's no need for more tags. Any reputation he had is gone.

[examplens]

Personally, I tagged the Symmetrick account when too many questions arose about the account no longer being operated by the original owner/creator but apart from one other red tag it seems as though members have refrained from tagging.

I don't really see the point of adding more tags: if it changed owner, there's a clear warning now for anyone to avoid doing business with Ratimov's new nickname. If he's just grumpy and ignoring all the drama he caused, there's no need for more tags. Any reputation he had is gone.

It is questionable to leave negative feedback based on suspicion or assumptions. There is no clear evidence.
With or without negative tags, Ratim's/Symmetrick account no longer enjoys the reputation it once had, so they do not disturb anything in his status. Based on the large number of already written posts and the fact that he is still active in the largest local community, that makes him interesting for campaign signatures.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Personally, I tagged the Symmetrick account when too many questions arose about the account no longer being operated by the original owner/creator but apart from one other red tag it seems as though members have refrained from tagging.

I don't really see the point of adding more tags: if it changed owner, there's a clear warning now for anyone to avoid doing business with Ratimov's new nickname. If he's just grumpy and ignoring all the drama he caused, there's no need for more tags. Any reputation he had is gone.

It is questionable to leave negative feedback based on suspicion or assumptions. There is no clear evidence.
With or without negative tags, Ratim's/Symmetrick account no longer enjoys the reputation it once had, so they do not disturb anything in his status. Based on the large number of already written posts and the fact that he is still active in the largest local community, that makes him interesting for campaign signatures.

Well, he has two red tags now. And none of them backed by clear evidences. Some members just wait for an opportunity to paint others feedback page. The DT system became too easy to get into the network.

[LoyceV]

Some members just wait for an opportunity to paint others feedback page.

That reminds me of what Ratimov did

[JollyGood]

Sometimes one image can express a whole bunch of emotions or summarise the current situation on-hand. Welcome to club Poker Player, I do not know how long ago you added him to your ignore list but I did it a long time ago. He is staying there for a long time along with several other (if not forever).

The downside to ignoring is that you end up having to scroll past any posts that are quoted by other members when they reply but it is a small inconvenience.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Some members just wait for an opportunity to paint others feedback page.

That reminds me of what Ratimov did

Other day I was quick to leave him a negative for removing his sponsorship so I can't tell that I am right always but it's important to accept wrongs and have the willingness to correct it.

Sometimes one image can express a whole bunch of emotions or summarise the current situation on-hand. Welcome to club Poker Player, I do not know how long ago you added him to your ignore list but I did it a long time ago. He is staying there for a long time along with several other (if not forever).

The downside to ignoring is that you end up having to scroll past any posts that are quoted by other members when they reply but it is a small inconvenience.

Do you have anything good to do? If you really ignore a person then shouldn't you avoid any discussion about him and also avoid manipulating others in your side? I don't understand how it became a fashion to show I am ignoring mr y. More importantly, give me a logic, how this post of yours is relevant to the topic? Shitposter! Shame, BC.game is paying for shitposting.

Interesting: Poker Player himself thought to delete the post he made but you never wanted to miss the chance LOL

[dkbit98]

Let's say (for the sake of the argument) that Ratimov indeed sold the account and someone else is controlling it now, wouldn't that person try to go under the radar in order not to be detected? I am asking because that account is allegedly more aggressive than Ratimov used to be (who we know already has anger issues) and that behaviour doesn't make much sense to me from someone who tries to profit from the newly acquired account.

Do you remember last time when he posted in English part of the forum?
Several members called him out during this time and there was several topics about him in Reputation, but he never replied anything as far as I know.
He was obviously trying to stay under the radar here, while pretending to be angry old owner in russian local board.
To me is clear and obvious that account changed hands sometimes in November.
However, I don't think he is gone for good, he probably uses some different account now, maybe someone ^{(or AI)} recognizes his writing style in future.

[Rikafip]

Several members called him out during this time and there was several topics about him in Reputation, but he never replied anything as far as I know.
He was obviously trying to stay under the radar here, while pretending to be angry old owner in russian local board.

Him not arguing anymore was more about realizing that the more he wrote, the worse his situation was as he coulnd't control his emotions, so better stay quiet than dig hole even deeper. At least that's how I see it.

However, I don't think he is gone for good, he probably uses some different account now, maybe someone recognizes his writing style in future.

It would take a shit load of effort for someone like him to stay hidden for longer period of time.

[suchmoon]

However, I don't think he is gone for good, he probably uses some different account now, maybe someone ^{(or AI)} recognizes his writing style in future.

He might have had another account for a while... he bragged about making 3 BTC on the forum but the math doesn't add up, he would have needed 2-3 accounts to do that

[dkbit98]

He might have had another account for a while... he bragged about making 3 BTC on the forum but the math doesn't add up, he would have needed 2-3 accounts to do that

Maybe, maybe not, but having multiple accounts is not against the rules
Earning 3 bitcoins in 4 years is/was not impossible task for high ranked members.
He could also earn bitcoin from campaigns, sell it on market top, and buy back again when price drops, that also counts I guess.
I think I remember him saying he was using leverage trading on several exchange.

PS
Another thing worth checking is other accounts he sent most merits.

[DaveF]

Personally, I tagged the Symmetrick account when too many questions arose about the account no longer being operated by the original owner/creator but apart from one other red tag it seems as though members have refrained from tagging.

I don't really see the point of adding more tags: if it changed owner, there's a clear warning now for anyone to avoid doing business with Ratimov's new nickname. If he's just grumpy and ignoring all the drama he caused, there's no need for more tags. Any reputation he had is gone.

That is it in a very short sentence. He had a good reputation. Deserved or not, does not matter anymore. But it's gone. Can we all just move on from here at this point?

If people look they will see that that account should not be trusted.

If they don't look they will not see it and no matter what else if they don't look nothing matters since they are not looking.

Yes, it's a bit of circular logic, but if you don't care about checking then that's on that user.

-Dave

[digaran]

@CryptoPravda, @GB, I'm an idiot, it took me this long to realize what you guys were actually saying, recently I read a comment on a quote which reminded me of this topic. IMO nobody like that should be allowed to take part in this community, especially if they cross the line, insulting people's parents is a red line where nobody should cross by all standards. Please accept my apology for neglecting such an important issue.

I'd say it's already too late for him to come here or via PM to ask for your forgiveness, he has had his chance for a long time to do that. Such people have to be scarred for everyone to see and we need to stop them before they get the chance to earn even a single sat here. I mean if he had a personal quarrel with GB alone, we could say it's personal, but now it seems that case was not an isolated event. To all DT members, please tag the sh*t out of anyone who'd habitually insults others' parents.

Don't let such transgressions to flourish around here, this should be a clear evidence to cast out such people from this community.

And to all other DTs still supporting him, please exclude him from your trust list, otherwise you'd be in agreement with his behaviour, therefore you'd be considered the enemy of this community. So ~symmetrick.
Once someone insulted my mother, then I insulted his wife/daughter/sister to make it even, and I don't hold any grudges against him, it was a trollish situation and we both moved on, and it was a one time thing. But this one is not and as a community we should not tolerate this.
Ps, @GB, if you post that image again, I will sue you. 😂

[mrust_mobile]

I don’t know too much about this forum I’m still learning. I don’t even know what “DT” stands for

You can read my guide:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5475594

[GazetaBitcoin]

You can read my guide:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5475594

Or mine: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226757.

@CryptoPravda, @GB, I'm an idiot, it took me this long to realize what you guys were actually saying, recently I read a comment on a quote which reminded me of this topic. IMO nobody should be allowed to take part in this community, especially if they cross the line, insulting people's parents is a red line where nobody should cross by all standards.

You mean you saw this post?

Please accept my apology for neglecting such an important issue.

Apology accepted.

Ps, @GB, if you post that image again, I will sue you. 😂

What image?

[Xal0lex]

The user Symmetrick has been banned, so haters of this user can breathe a sigh of relief. So discussion of this issue has lost its relevance.

[GazetaBitcoin]

The user Symmetrick has been banned, so haters of this user can breathe a sigh of relief. So discussion of this issue has lost its relevance.

Lol, on what basis what he banned now? He wasn't banned for years in a row of plagiarism, but he was banned now, when it does not even post anymore? He wasn't banned when he made you a garbage man but he was banned now? He was not banned when he threw all his dump into your yard Russian board but he was banned now? How so?

[Poker Player]

The user Symmetrick has been banned, so haters of this user can breathe a sigh of relief.

Haters of this user? If anything he was a hater of the forum and its members, not the other way around.

Let's dot the i's and cross the t's.

Do you mean that he has been banned because he is a poor victim of a conspiracy by haters of him and not for everything he has done?

[LoyceV]

Lol, on what basis what he banned now?

Probably at his own request:

This account will be blocked soon.

Note that it's not a standard Autoban: it didn't show up on modlog, and his signature wasn't wiped. I think it's blocked this way:

Lauda is banned in the same way as satoshi, such that it isn't possible to even log into the account anymore.

[JeromeTash]

Probably at his own request:

This account will be blocked soon.

Perfect way to make a fresh start, I guess 

Ratimov's reputation already being soiled, a start over is the only likely option. He will just create a new profile, hunt for merits like he did before. The good thing is that he already has some good experience. A few thousands of merits shouldn't be hard in some months, and just try to stay out of radar.

With the kind of ego he had. I don't think he is gone for now.

[hilariousandco]

The user Symmetrick has been banned, so haters of this user can breathe a sigh of relief. So discussion of this issue has lost its relevance.

It seems to be an autoban for being PossiblyCompromised.

[CryptoPravda]

Imho, his recent actions confirms that Ratimov never sold his account (as many suspected he did) as no sane person would pay for an account and then do what he is doing, spending God knows how many hours deleting 10k+ posts.

It depends on what we mean by the word sale. Another person wrote from the account. No one knows whether he sold it or gave it away or gave it to use. But another person wrote from the account. Perhaps there were several people behind the account and they had a conflict.

[NotATether]

The user Symmetrick has been banned, so haters of this user can breathe a sigh of relief. So discussion of this issue has lost its relevance.

It seems to be an autoban for being PossiblyCompromised.

Anyone could instantly autoban themselves by setting a secret question and attempting to fill it in during login, though.

[DaveF]

The user Symmetrick has been banned, so haters of this user can breathe a sigh of relief. So discussion of this issue has lost its relevance.

A bit OT but, has it ever been really discussed why the forum itself does not show banned users and why?
I know I have brought it up in the past, that knowing why would probably not be a bad thing, but was there ever any internal discussions as why not to show it?

-Dave

[Xal0lex]

The user Symmetrick has been banned, so haters of this user can breathe a sigh of relief. So discussion of this issue has lost its relevance.

A bit OT but, has it ever been really discussed why the forum itself does not show banned users and why?
I know I have brought it up in the past, that knowing why would probably not be a bad thing, but was there ever any internal discussions as why not to show it?

-Dave

I don't know why the forum doesn't show this kind of information to all users. I think theymos thinks that displaying such information to everyone is unnecessary. That this information is only for the staff. And yes, this issue was not discussed in the moderators section.

[JeromeTash]

A bit OT but, has it ever been really discussed why the forum itself does not show banned users and why?
I know I have brought it up in the past, that knowing why would probably not be a bad thing, but was there ever any internal discussions as why not to show it?

-Dave

Probably the same reason the forum won't display negative feedback in certain discussion boards and to Guest users

Maybe they want users to have an unbiased feel when reading through useful content that was previously posted by an account that has since been banned. When reading some content, as soon as one sees that the poster was banned, there's away one's perception does not remain the same. Similar thing happens when one see the negative feedback.

[LoyceV]

It seems to be an autoban for being PossiblyCompromised.

I thought that would wipe the signature by default.

Anyone could instantly autoban themselves by setting a secret question and attempting to fill it in during login, though.

If that's the case, it makes sense: he'll request to recover his hacked account and the drama/attention continues.

[JeromeTash]

It seems to be an autoban for being PossiblyCompromised.

I thought that would wipe the signature by default.

Maybe the kind of ban is similar to what Harizen got?
The account got compromised and started spreading malware, the user was banned, but his signature stayed on as currently seen on his profile.

[hilariousandco]

It seems to be an autoban for being PossiblyCompromised.

I thought that would wipe the signature by default.

Nope. That's only a manual full ban. The account is essentially just locked right now.

[dkbit98]

Just check out Ratimov BPIP profile, he obviously locked his account with via secret question trigger on December 29.
For someone who is allegedly died account he knows very well how forum is working, and he looks very much alive.
Anyway, it's finally time to stop talking about him.


https://bpip.org/Profile?id=2627711

[digaran]

If you pay attention to his actions, he just committed Harakiri, a form of suicide(online kind) to restore his honour. He didn't keep misbehaving like he did apparantly in the past, instead he did what every man would do, fell on his sword.

If one thing I'd admire about him, is the fact that he was not only bullying the weak, but he was bullying the other bullies, only if knew when to stop.

Kind of like "vampires" when they taste blood, it'd require so much effort to stop before draining the victims dry. He needed a good teacher, wish I got to know him sooner. 😉

[tranthidung]

Just check out Ratimov BPIP profile, he obviously locked his account with via secret question trigger on December 29.
For someone who is allegedly died account he knows very well how forum is working, and he looks very much alive.
Anyway, it's finally time to stop talking about him.


https://bpip.org/Profile?id=2627711

It is saved in Security Log: https://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php

I don't know why the user had to change password many times like this within a few days.

December 29, 2023, 03:51:20 PM - Symmetrick - password reset via secret question
December 29, 2023, 03:44:11 PM - Symmetrick - password changed
December 29, 2023, 03:29:04 PM - Symmetrick - password changed

December 27, 2023, 02:36:15 PM - Symmetrick - password changed

I read some posts that guessed a possible ban reason is deletion of many posts. I don't think it is reason because years ago, in the forum, there is another user in Wall Observer, did the same, but was not banned. It's impossible for any user to be banned because of post deletion.

[digaran]

I know the reason why he did it, he wanted to show that he didn't sell the account, which makes the red tags on him invalid, now if he ever decides to recover the account, he would need concrete evidence to prove his identity in order to get the account back.
IMO, by the act of Harakiri, he has redeemed himself from the sins of his past, in my book from now on, he is a respected member, because what he did is worth ten times of any apologies he could have ever come up with. I don't expect trust abusers like PP to take necessary action and remove their tag, hopefully others which are reasonable DTs could see to it and correct their tags accordingly.

However, there is still the matter of the sponsorship, that, I can find no valid excuses for.

[LoyceV]

if he ever decides to recover the account, he would need concrete evidence to prove his identity in order to get the account back.

The easiest way would be to sign a staked address, which he deleted.

[DYING_S0UL]

Anyone could instantly autoban themselves by setting a secret question and attempting to fill it in during login, though.

How exactly? I mean what's the process? I am not familiar with this thing called "Autoban" and stuff. Just wanted to know how this works, as a curious person.

[Poker Player]

if he ever decides to recover the account, he would need concrete evidence to prove his identity in order to get the account back.

The easiest way would be to sign a staked address, which he deleted.

Why would he want to do that? To prove that he is the same madman who ruined a premium account, top 5 in merit earned, in record time? If he wants to come back to the forum the most logical thing to do would be with another account, if he doesn't have one already.

[dzungmobile]

How exactly? I mean what's the process? I am not familiar with this thing called "Autoban" and stuff. Just wanted to know how this works, as a curious person.

Check this

PSA: Account will be locked if a secret question is used to recover it.

The easiest way would be to sign a staked address, which he deleted.

It will not be deleted from all forum database soon. A curious question. Will a deleted post for a staked address can be used for account recovery. I guess it is first time this is raised in the forum because this case seems to be special. It is a question with an extra condition, no user quoted it which is another barely seen case too (people usually quoted the staked message).

[JollyGood]

That could be the logical way to return to the forum but what are the chances he never left the forum at all? Signing an address will not do anything now regardless. If he had several accounts operating at the same time (as reluctant as it must have been for him to give up on the Ratimov account), he could be using them now without any of us knowing about it.

It remains unknown if he is already doing that how many members would dismiss it as a possibility. Losing the rank also means loss of money from signature campaigns therefore maybe he took precautions. What is certain is that after being here a number of years and earning money every week for such a long time, it would not be a surprise if members have more than one account with they are not announcing.

Why would he want to do that? To prove that he is the same madman who ruined a premium account, top 5 in merit earned, in record time? If he wants to come back to the forum the most logical thing to do would be with another account, if he doesn't have one already.

[Maus0728]

Perfect way to make a fresh start, I guess 

Ratimov's reputation already being soiled, a start over is the only likely option. He will just create a new profile, hunt for merits like he did before. The good thing is that he already has some good experience. A few thousands of merits shouldn't be hard in some months, and just try to stay out of radar.

With the kind of ego he had. I don't think he is gone for now.

I don't know about him being able to do the same thing because I'm sure that people will notice, that kind of posting style wouldn't be unnoticeable right? The way he starts paragraphs and the frequency of his post right. That seems to be the sentiment of everyone about Ratimov abandoning the account, kind of like a spit in everyone's face here that he can forsake that account no matter how much reputation it has on it in terms of merits. Definitely not gone for good but it's not really a good thing for us to speculate that and continue to be haunted by him, doing that creates a feeling that he's living rent free in our heads.