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December 11, 2023, 12:27:46 PM
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I consider him a hero, considering that he went to such lengths to go to gaming commission and have his name banned by himself just to get himself to stop gambling. There are not many gambling addicts like that, who come to the gaming commission only to have themselves banned, because of the many gambling addicts, most of them don't realize it and even let themselves get lost in their addiction until it destroys their lives and those closest to them.

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December 11, 2023, 12:32:06 PM
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I was reading some comments on line today and a story caught my attention, and I want to know how possible this is.

A guy claimed he won $5000 on a poker machine and that's where his addiction began, and when it get to the point that he lost his rent money to gambling he decide to take matters in his one way.

He proceeded by going to gaming commission and had his name banned by himself, ( Someone please tell me how this is possible?) never seen such in my country before. he claimed he still go back to casinos at times and he knew he can't ever win big again, because his name was flagged in the system, and if he win big they won't pay him.

He said he was limited to winning $200, that anymore than this he would have to sign his name and be subject to prosecution for trespassing. He claimed his move took his joy out from gambling real fast, and now he haven't been near a casino in over 10 years.

What do you think? This is an insanely move on oneself to stop addiction, something done right? Would you do the same if such is possible in your country?

I never read something like this, and if this is impossible, the gaming commission could just refer or help him get therapy or professional help, it's not right that if he wins he will default his wins, and the casino could lose its reputation for denying payment to its winner.
getting your name banned in the casino is possible but denying your prize when you win is not good and you have to get your name banned on all offline casinos and there's also a temptation to play online in case the symptoms persist.
The best approach is to get rid of the urge and not get yourself banned from casinos.

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December 11, 2023, 12:35:17 PM
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I was reading some comments on line today and a story caught my attention, and I want to know how possible this is.

A guy claimed he won $5000 on a poker machine and that's where his addiction began, and when it get to the point that he lost his rent money to gambling he decide to take matters in his one way.

He proceeded by going to gaming commission and had his name banned by himself, ( Someone please tell me how this is possible?) never seen such in my country before. he claimed he still go back to casinos at times and he knew he can't ever win big again, because his name was flagged in the system, and if he win big they won't pay him.
He obviously made a heroic move and I applaud him for that. I honestly do not know that something like this exists. But while reading through, I understood that it is something that is very possible. It is called self exclusion. At first it is not easy to undergo, but for someone to make such a decision to limit his freedom, you should understand how deep gambling has wounded him. It must have also spoilt his relationship life if care is not taken.

He said he was limited to winning $200, that anymore than this he would have to sign his name and be subject to prosecution for trespassing. He claimed his move took his joy out from gambling real fast, and now he haven't been near a casino in over 10 years.

$200 being his maximum winning is pointing towards something and it is a great way to regulate gambling and when your max winning is $200, you will have no option than toake gambling a fun rather than means to be super rich.

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So yes, you can do go to the gaming commission and ask yourself to be ban. I know a guy that has been banned, but he didn't do it himself, his wife did. The wife call the casinos and describe his husband and obviously his identification.

And then he told me that he was surprised when he go to a casino and that he was stop and was banned from entering. Later he found out that his wife is the one responsible because that time he was really addicted to that point that he is playing money that did not belong to him (he was a government employee that time).

Will this actually work offline? This is achievable in an online situation where his personal information will be blacklisted in all the casino licensed in the country. If it is offline, the wife could succeed in reporting to one casino joint, what if he goes to another neighboring casino or secretly play online?

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December 11, 2023, 12:50:16 PM
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What do you think? This is an insanely move on oneself to stop addiction, something done right? Would you do the same if such is possible in your country?
First of all the person is clearly very confident despite the fact that he has been flagged by the casino. But if he is indeed confident in his poker playing skills then he should choose a different casino to visit and apply the same skills to make a profit again. If he continues to force himself to play at the same casino he runs the risk of losing badly and the casino system is very happy with such people.  There is no chance of coming twice if the case is like this. Whether the person's actions are reckless or brave enough it all depends  on how skilled the poker player is.

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December 11, 2023, 12:59:03 PM
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I was reading some comments on line today and a story caught my attention, and I want to know how possible this is.

A guy claimed he won $5000 on a poker machine and that's where his addiction began, and when it get to the point that he lost his rent money to gambling he decide to take matters in his one way.

He proceeded by going to gaming commission and had his name banned by himself, ( Someone please tell me how this is possible?) never seen such in my country before. he claimed he still go back to casinos at times and he knew he can't ever win big again, because his name was flagged in the system, and if he win big they won't pay him.

He said he was limited to winning $200, that anymore than this he would have to sign his name and be subject to prosecution for trespassing. He claimed his move took his joy out from gambling real fast, and now he haven't been near a casino in over 10 years.

What do you think? This is an insanely move on oneself to stop addiction, something done right? Would you do the same if such is possible in your country?

This guy is nor an hero nor a fool.He simply is a great gjuy,a guy with huge self determination to achieve what he perceived as the biggest evil threat to his normal economy.We all feel great when we hit a huge win but what happens after is that we experience consecutive losing sessions and despite that we continue to play.This guy got what we lack as people,we insist on try winning while this guy knew deep inside that gambling is pure luck and it is better to quit.

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December 11, 2023, 01:03:09 PM
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What do you think? This is an insanely move on oneself to stop addiction, something done right? Would you do the same if such is possible in your country?
First of all the person is clearly very confident despite the fact that he has been flagged by the casino. But if he is indeed confident in his poker playing skills then he should choose a different casino to visit and apply the same skills to make a profit again. If he continues to force himself to play at the same casino he runs the risk of losing badly and the casino system is very happy with such people.  There is no chance of coming twice if the case is like this. Whether the person's actions are reckless or brave enough it all depends  on how skilled the poker player is.

We don't see the real situation here. Here's my take, if a gambler is banned from a casino, that could only mean one thing, he is very talented and he could bankrupt a casino if they continue accepting him to play. They are just minimizing or eliminating the damage to protect their business.

Banning means eliminating, but limiting is just minimizing the damage.

However, for a guy who have the skills in poker, he should be able to find ways to fully utilizing his talent, so why stick only in physical casino while we have online casinos?

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December 11, 2023, 01:11:05 PM
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Well, this is definitely very possible to do, and it's called "self exclusion", this is a very popular means through which addicted gamblers try to cub or reduce their gambling habit, by asking the casino (mostly online casinos) to ban them access to the casino.

This feature is also available in offline/land based casinos as well, i am not particularly sure about going to the gambling commission, but I do know that, one can also exclude themselves from gambling even in offline casinos.
And for me personally, what that guy in question did might look or sound stupid to some persons, or possibly, everyone, but the honest truth remains that, if such move have helped him come out of his addiction to gambling without much hassles, then it's worth it, sometimes, getting something valuable requires sacrificing something of value as well.

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December 11, 2023, 01:11:21 PM
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I was reading some comments on line today and a story caught my attention, and I want to know how possible this is.

A guy claimed he won $5000 on a poker machine and that's where his addiction began, and when it get to the point that he lost his rent money to gambling he decide to take matters in his one way.

He proceeded by going to gaming commission and had his name banned by himself, ( Someone please tell me how this is possible?) never seen such in my country before. he claimed he still go back to casinos at times and he knew he can't ever win big again, because his name was flagged in the system, and if he win big they won't pay him.

He said he was limited to winning $200, that anymore than this he would have to sign his name and be subject to prosecution for trespassing. He claimed his move took his joy out from gambling real fast, and now he haven't been near a casino in over 10 years.

What do you think? This is an insanely move on oneself to stop addiction, something done right? Would you do the same if such is possible in your country?

I think this is illegal, casinos are obliged to pay winners the amount they won, and you cannot strike a deal with a casino that limits your winning to $200 it is a violation of their terms and people will give them negative feedback for trying to take advantage of the winner they can be charge in court and get their license rebuke, its enough that they ban the player in their vicinity based on the person request.

But never declined his winning, here in our country since the casino is being run by our government, they have a rehabilitation program for chronic gamblers, the casino management should refer the guy to a professional and never do a special deal like not allowing to win huge money.

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December 11, 2023, 01:17:54 PM
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He proceeded by going to gaming commission and had his name banned by himself, ( Someone please tell me how this is possible?) never seen such in my country before. he claimed he still go back to casinos at times and he knew he can't ever win big again, because his name was flagged in the system, and if he win big they won't pay him.
You can't hear everything or know everything my friend, and you have to know that the laws of countries vary. It is possible that in his country there is a thing like that if the person is suffering from gambling addiction. As for me, it's a very brilliant move to curb himself of this menace since it has gotten to the stage of him selling his properties to gamble.

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He said he was limited to winning $200, that anymore than this he would have to sign his name and be subject to prosecution for trespassing. He claimed his move took his joy out from gambling real fast, and now he haven't been near a casino in over 10 years.
That's good for him, even if he wants to gamble more, the mind that he can't earn more than $200 will naturally make him retract his steps. What a brilliant move by him and the authorities in his country. But the issue is whether or not the person can remove the embargo. If it can't be undone, then it's very good.

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What do you think? This is an insanely move on oneself to stop addiction, something done right? Would you do the same if such is possible in your country?
Yes, I can do the same if it's permitted in my country. Addiction is not good, it's better you stop it before it ruins you. I wonder why I should continue to gamble when it's obvious that it's negative to my life. But I wonder if this could be so effective as people could still bypass this embargo by giving others money to bet for on their behave.

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December 11, 2023, 01:30:42 PM
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Definitely a fool, if he already went to a gaming commission to have his name blacklisted or banned then shouldn't his gambling habits have stopped because he was banned or flagged whatever? But as the story goes on, this person can still get into these casinos and still play but only get a 200 USD win, man can still waste money and not be able to bring back a profit because he can't win big which is stupid, if you're not stopping from gambling even after you did those crazy request from the gaming commission then nothing changed because the money spent is still there and he's still gambling.
Logically maybe your thinking is right, it's useless if people block their own names but they can still gamble, and what I'm surprised about is that the limit is only $200 wins, while what if they lose continuously, in the sense that they can still spend a lot of money gambling even more than $5000 dollars without winning.

Unless he also limits the deposits he can make, such as $100 per month maybe it will be much more effective if he really wants to stop gambling, in my opinion such actions are not appropriate, although I also understand that everyone has his own way of controlling his mind and heart, he may have reviewed what he has done.

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December 11, 2023, 02:20:04 PM
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What do you think? This is an insanely move on oneself to stop addiction, something done right? Would you do the same if such is possible in your country?
First of all the person is clearly very confident despite the fact that he has been flagged by the casino. But if he is indeed confident in his poker playing skills then he should choose a different casino to visit and apply the same skills to make a profit again. If he continues to force himself to play at the same casino he runs the risk of losing badly and the casino system is very happy with such people.  There is no chance of coming twice if the case is like this. Whether the person's actions are reckless or brave enough it all depends  on how skilled the poker player is.

We don't see the real situation here. Here's my take, if a gambler is banned from a casino, that could only mean one thing, he is very talented and he could bankrupt a casino if they continue accepting him to play. They are just minimizing or eliminating the damage to protect their business.

Banning means eliminating, but limiting is just minimizing the damage.

However, for a guy who have the skills in poker, he should be able to find ways to fully utilizing his talent, so why stick only in physical casino while we have online casinos?

That makes sense, in my opinion he should move casinos to do his skills, even if not with physical casinos, he can do it with online casinos. because gambling that is currently popular is also online gambling in my opinion.  he can do it in other casino places. that way he can use his skills. so in my opinion he doesn't have to gamble only there. because of different luck that can make him lucky in other casinos with his skills that he has.

Don't settle for just one casino, because as far as I know, even with online gambling for example, when someone gets a big win and he cashes it out, there are those who say that people who have got a big win will no longer easily get a win, whether big or small. I don't know if it's clear whether it's true or not. but I myself also feel that way because I once got a big win and returned to the same online gambling there was no more winnings given even though I had spent a  lot of money that was almost equivalent to the winnings I had got before.

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December 11, 2023, 02:33:39 PM
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I was reading some comments on line today and a story caught my attention, and I want to know how possible this is.

A guy claimed he won $5000 on a poker machine and that's where his addiction began, and when it get to the point that he lost his rent money to gambling he decide to take matters in his one way.

He proceeded by going to gaming commission and had his name banned by himself, ( Someone please tell me how this is possible?) never seen such in my country before. he claimed he still go back to casinos at times and he knew he can't ever win big again, because his name was flagged in the system, and if he win big they won't pay him.

I don't think a casino can or will do this unless the court says it's legal and it's valid why will he decline his earnings why not give it straight to his family if he doesn't want his winnings, the winner deserves his winnings otherwise it's cheating on the part of the casino, the casino cannot take action that is not on their terms, they cannot invalidate winnings because of this excuse.

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He said he was limited to winning $200, that anymore than this he would have to sign his name and be subject to prosecution for trespassing. He claimed his move took his joy out from gambling real fast, and now he haven't been near a casino in over 10 years.

What do you think? This is an insanely move on oneself to stop addiction, something done right? Would you do the same if such is possible in your country?
I don't think this story is true, but it is enough for a casino to ban him based on his request he should not be charged for trespassing, anyway he cannot get in because of the tight security in a casino, this kind of method is hard to work because you can always go to other casinos or play online if you have a strong urge to play.


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December 11, 2023, 02:36:40 PM
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Wait....I don't fully understand the story. He banned himself from gambling, but he was still able to gamble. Additionally, you mentioned that when he gambles, he wouldn't be paid if he wins big, or he would only be paid a maximum of $200.

Does this mean that the casino is allowing him to bet big but would only pay a maximum of $200? Nah, this seems unusual, it could suggest that the casino might be cheating him, or perhaps he fabricated the story. Which is the case?



Tell him to play online, no more banning would happen even if he is too good, unless he's cheating.

lol Casino would love him. He will only get $200 no matter how big his winning is. There is no point in gambling. He must have been high when he decided to exclude himself. He seems to be the guy with extreme thoughts but he is a fool and it would put him in history. The dumbest gambler.

He should just look for something else to play around with rather than sticking to gambling when he isn't allowed to win big.



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December 11, 2023, 02:40:15 PM
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I consider him a hero, considering that he went to such lengths to go to gaming commission and have his name banned by himself just to get himself to stop gambling. There are not many gambling addicts like that, who come to the gaming commission only to have themselves banned, because of the many gambling addicts, most of them don't realize it and even let themselves get lost in their addiction until it destroys their lives and those closest to them.
If the decision is able to solve his gambling addiction then he have done well for himself and at any point in time it should be considered as a hero because to overcome such a level of gambling addiction is something that may seem almost impossible and at some point could be draining,  maybe the individuals have discovered that the only way to do so is to go to the authority and seek for self-exclusion sanctioned and asking for the authority to monitor and sanction him accordingly if he goes beyond what is expected from him as a set limits.

However, I don't know how true and effective this approach is because in some countries where gambling is not regulated or monitored,  it will be hard or even near impossible for some government commissions in some countries to be able to properly follow up with such an approach,  but then if in the gamblers country, such rules are applicable and sustainable for the gambling industry it then means that the gamblers may get all the help he desire from the commission.
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Sounds a very roundabout way of convincing yourself not to gamble.  It wouldnt work for me because its quite often people ask others to collect their winnings.  It happened most famously with a lottery worker who had mastered the system and was giving numbers to his relatives for forthcoming results.  He could never collect the prize himself so had others do it, I presume this is why claiming on a lottery is sometimes forced to be public perhaps.
   Anyhow just attend gamblers help meetings, far better idea and you will meet others who had been chasing their own tail for years also and can advance your thoughts past repeating mistakes hopefully.

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when gambling becomes so "engaging" on a personal level, beyond the possibility of real or not success, I worry about that person because they have actually exceeded a certain threshold.
in general, it is better to have limits in the amount you can play and not in what you can win! Wink

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December 11, 2023, 02:49:12 PM
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Could be a hero.

And that is because most of us aren't aware that this is possible and this is one of the unique stories I guess that we can conclude if someone wants to get out of gambling, there's always a way.

Kudos to him.

But is this story is a real thing or we're just speculating that this can happen in real life and simulations are essential so that if someone encounters it in the future, he/she has an idea how to deal with it?



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December 11, 2023, 02:56:35 PM
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What do you think? This is an insanely move on oneself to stop addiction, something done right? Would you do the same if such is possible in your country?
In my understanding, I think the actions that this person took were professional actions for themselves in overcoming gambling addiction, maybe he has tried other ways to overcome his gambling addiction but it didn't work, maybe the way he did it was the last decision he made.

We know that the actions to overcome gambling addiction are varied, for me what this person did, for me it was interesting to limit his gambling winnings to under $200, this is an interesting thing that I have never heard or seen, Honestly maybe I would also do the same thing as he did, if my country had a gaming commission like the one in that guy's country, This has a good attraction for overcoming addiction. Whoever that person is, I think 60% of them have succeeded in overcoming gambling addiction.

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December 11, 2023, 03:01:49 PM
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He is an hero because he knew this at the very begenning of the process which can give him a very worst life if he continued to gamble.
I like the idea of self exclusion by begambleaware.org , but this is mostly used by fiat betting sites.

so here is one more responsiblegambling.org, you can find this on every reputable crypto gambling site and can self exclude ourself if you want.
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December 11, 2023, 03:15:31 PM
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I consider him a hero, considering that he went to such lengths to go to gaming commission and have his name banned by himself just to get himself to stop gambling. There are not many gambling addicts like that, who come to the gaming commission only to have themselves banned, because of the many gambling addicts, most of them don't realize it and even let themselves get lost in their addiction until it destroys their lives and those closest to them.

The gambler who had passionate in the gambling will do gambling with the gap even he get loss from the gambling.Because gambling is the game,loss doesn’t important for the gambler.Some of the gambling addicts will do the gambling referrals for the commission to continue the game at the time of no money available in the gambling site.The money from the referrals as the bonus from the gambling site will be the gift to the gambling addicted person.Not all the gamblers loss their life in the gambling sites,some also recreate their own life using the gambling winnings.So he also need of luck to make the huge difference in the real life using the gambling winnings.

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