The effect the mixer ban has had on the forum.

[BlackHatCoiner]

I'd say that would be the day to abandon pools

Sure, but pools are an integral part of Bitcoin. If we experienced a 51% attack, which is either ignoring 1% of the blocks or replacing a chain that contains an OFAC sanctioned transaction, then I'd have lost trust on the integrity of the system. The whole concept relies on the theory that honest hash rate overthrows malicious. Double-spending is prevented under that assumption.

How are those decentralized exchanges gonna cash you out without knowing your name and IBAN? People who do these transactions will be targeted this time. When people move to dex, the volume will skyrocket there. I don’t think you can get in and out so easily when that happens.

You will still trade normally by handing over your IBAN. If things become ever stricter than that, and they start freezing your bank account because of this, there is still cash.

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[mrust_mobile]

there is still cash.

For now. Cash is also on borrowed time. We should appreciate having cash while we still can.

[LoyceV]

How are those decentralized exchanges gonna cash you out without knowing your name and IBAN? People who do these transactions will be targeted this time. When people move to dex, the volume will skyrocket there. I don’t think you can get in and out so easily when that happens.

You will still trade normally by handing over your IBAN. If things become ever stricter than that, and they start freezing your bank account because of this, there is still cash.

From my bank's perspective, receiving money from different unknown IBAN accounts is much more questionable than receiving money from an established centralized exchange. The same with sending money.
Cash has different privacy problems.

For now. Cash is also on borrowed time. We should appreciate having cash while we still can.

The next step would be going back to barter: I give you Bitcoin if you buy me a new TV. It's not very convenient though.

[mrust_mobile]

You can't even call these "decentralized exchanges" if they possess something the government can attack and take it down. Decentralized means cannot be attacked or taken down.

[BlackHatCoiner]

For now. Cash is also on borrowed time. We should appreciate having cash while we still can.

Fiat cash? Perhaps. Cash in general can't just go extinct. Black market can't just go extinct. It simply can't.

From my bank's perspective, receiving money from different unknown IBAN accounts is much more questionable than receiving money from an established centralized exchange. The same with sending money.
Cash has different privacy problems.

I agree these solutions are far from ideal, but we've taken it to the extreme scenario that privacy coins are illegal, all non-KYC bitcoins are tainted and unacceptable, and banks will freeze your account the moment you receive money from a non-KYC exchange.

You can't even call these "decentralized exchanges" if they possess something the government can attack and take it down. Decentralized means cannot be attacked or taken down.

The exchange is decentralized, not the bank. The bank is controlled by the government.

[Poker Player]

Lol.

Well, I see the conversation has drifted to Bitcoin philosophy I would say: privacy, DEX, taint etc.  I'm not saying it's off topic, I just think it's a natural drift resulting from how the conversation has been flowing.

Back to the initial topic, I don't think that if for example I ran out of campaign here I would teleport there although you never know what may happen in the future. But as I keep an open mind, from time to time I will keep taking a look at what is going on over there, and at the moment two things catch my attention:

icopress has launched another mixer campaign there, and he seems to be dominating, as at the moment he manages four mixer campaigns, to Royse777's two AB's and julerz12's one.

Seven mixer campaigns, even if they pay less, are not bad at all, eh? It seems to me that the admin there must be rubbing his hands together.

According to a post by examplens on that forum, altcoinstalk already had significant growth between last October and December. We'll have to see how things went at the beginning of the year, as I think the mixer campaigns started on January 1st (I haven't checked if they were all).

So it seems to me that they are very happy with the teleported members over there.

[mrust_mobile]

For now. Cash is also on borrowed time. We should appreciate having cash while we still can.

Fiat cash? Perhaps. Cash in general can't just go extinct. Black market can't just go extinct.

FIAT cash of course. What other cash is there? Would you call CBDC “cash”?  I wouldn’t.

Edit: ok maybe I would, but only till they find a more suitable name for that crap. Shitcoin suits better imo.

[Igebotz]

According to a post by examplens on that forum, altcoinstalk already had significant growth between last October and December. We'll have to see how things went at the beginning of the year, as I think the mixer campaigns started on January 1st (I haven't checked if they were all).

Not all, Tumbler launched two weeks earlier on December 16th, just a few days after it ended here. So it's safe to say they're the oldest active campaign over there.

There is no way to scrape the activity data right now unless one of the Ninjas here can assist. LoyceV has already counted himself out, so we are waiting for other Ninjas to assist with a scraper(bitmover and PX-Z has developed a notification bot). However, prior to the mixer ban, the ALT forum struggled to maintain 100-200 daily activity; currently, they average 3-4k daily activity. A big increase in less than four weeks.

The ALT forum is not coded in rock so we're likely going to see some changes overtime.

[SamReomo]

Not all, Tumbler launched two weeks earlier on December 16th, just a few days after it ended here. So it's safe to say they're the oldest active campaign over there.

Yes, that's true Tumbler launched in month of December on that forum and after that other mixer campaigns also slowly started advertising on that forum.

A new mixer campaign which has never been part of Bitcoin has also launched their campaign on that forum recently. If I'm not wrong then they have launched their campaign from this week and that is managed by a superb campaign manager.

I think that forum is more like a haven to those services and I guess the users who still want to use those services will search for the decent ones on that forum from now on.

[BlackHatCoiner]

So it seems to me that they are very happy with the teleported members over there.

Even though I completely disagree with the ATT admin and consider him incompetent for running a big forum under that attitude, that was a pretty good marketing right there, and I give it to him. It was the best chance to attract campaign managers and a few honorable users as well.

FIAT cash of course. What other cash is there? Would you call CBDC “cash”?  I wouldn’t.

No, I meant crypto. I do not believe we'll witness a significant period of time without cash. Black market cannot cease to operate overnight. If Bitcoin and Monero are not the universally accepted cash, then I believe people will still use fiat cash, even if they are not recognizable by the states.

[EarnOnVictor]

Not all, Tumbler launched two weeks earlier on December 16th, just a few days after it ended here. So it's safe to say they're the oldest active campaign over there.

Yes, that's true Tumbler launched in month of December on that forum and after that other mixer campaigns also slowly started advertising on that forum.

A new mixer campaign which has never been part of Bitcoin has also launched their campaign on that forum recently. If I'm not wrong then they have launched their campaign from this week and that is managed by a superb campaign manager.

I think that forum is more like a haven to those services and I guess the users who still want to use those services will search for the decent ones on that forum from now on.

I've never for once visited that forum in almost 2 years now, though I knew it at the same time that I joined Bitcointalk, as I was able to analyse and quickly know the most active and more promising one above the two which made me choose BTCt then. There is no how it will not be like this, once a means is stopped, they look for alternatives, I mean both ways(users and sponsors), so I expected a thing like this from the first day I knew that m!xers and others would be banned.

Needless to say, this is a free world, everyone is doing their business and once a channel is closed, they will find the opportunity to run through the others, and whether they advised here before the ban or not since it is not feasible again here to advertise, they will surely utilize the ones they currently know and where other competitors are advertising. You may even be shocked that some of the m!xing services you see are being owned by the same person, they are only coming out in different names. So it's easy to move there.

[dkbit98]

For now. Cash is also on borrowed time. We should appreciate having cash while we still can.

Probably not for long in most countries, unless we see some major changes everywhere.
Farmers are not protesting in so many European countries for no reason, they know what is coming and it's not only cash, it's land also and everything else.

You can't even call these "decentralized exchanges" if they possess something the government can attack and take it down. Decentralized means cannot be attacked or taken down.

Not really.
Bitcoin is decentralized but it can be attacked.
Something with less nodes is still decentralized but it can be taken down much easier.
You can even have decentralized governmental system that can be attacked and destroyed.

[Poker Player]

I continue with my task of "spying" so to speak, from a distance, of the other forum and it has caught my attention that the last people asking to be teleported, at least some of them, say that they are not allowed to post external links, like Lida93 and Lucius.

Does anyone know if there has been a ban on this? I understand this refers to the requirement that the altcoinstalk admin asked to post a link in the profile here linking to the Altcoinstalk profile. I imagine it helps with SEO. However, he has teleported those members, so if links to Altcoinstalk are banned from here he is going to teleport people anyway.

[SamReomo]

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I think you're right that all those campaigns migrated to that platform because they can't promote their services on this forum anymore due to the ban. I'm not going to favor any of those services and I really don't know that if you're right or not because you said that most of the m!xing services are owned by the same person.

But, as far as I know then I think that those m!xers aren't owned by a single person, the reason I'm saying this is because if a single person owns a m!xing platform then he may try his best to promote that single platform by spending as much money on advertising as possible.

But in this case, all those platforms that migrated to that forum are spending money separately for advertising of their services on that forum and it won't be feasible for a single person to spend that much money on advertising of multiple services.

[Lida93]

I continue with my task of "spying" so to speak, from a distance, of the other forum and it has caught my attention that the last people asking to be teleported, at least some of them, say that they are not allowed to post external links, like Lida93 and Lucius.

Does anyone know if there has been a ban on this? I understand this refers to the requirement that the altcoinstalk admin asked to post a link in the profile here linking to the Altcoinstalk profile. I imagine it helps with SEO. However, he has teleported those members, so if links to Altcoinstalk are banned from here he is going to teleport people anyway.

Sometime before now I had took the privilege of chronicling through the different phases of the bitcointalk forum and something I noticed was that at different phases gradually changes were made and this changes at each phase were propelled by the increasing traffic the forum was/is getting, take the merit system that was introduced for instance.

So as much as the days progresses and the managers of the altcointalk perceives the increased in traffic they have recently started receiving as those ban services have now found their way to altcoinstalk thereby attracting bitcointalk members who before now had no interest there teleporting their accounts there now. With this it shouldn't be a thing of surprise if we start observing certain little changes in the teleport process as the days go by and their traffic keeps growing from different angles.

[mr.smith]

So as much as the days progresses and the managers of the altcointalk perceives the increased in traffic they have recently started receiving as those ban services have now found their way to altcoinstalk thereby attracting bitcointalk members who before now had no interest there teleporting their accounts there now. With this it shouldn't be a thing of surprise if we start observing certain little changes in the teleport process as the days go by and their traffic keeps growing from different angles.

The admin of Altcoinstalk, based on their rules, does not want any drama or anything of the sort. Therefore, I wonder if those members who caused a lot of drama here will be interested in transitioning over there. They might find themselves being constrained and restricted. It's a different platform for them, not their usual playground.

[Lida93]

So as much as the days progresses and the managers of the altcointalk perceives the increased in traffic they have recently started receiving as those ban services have now found their way to altcoinstalk thereby attracting bitcointalk members who before now had no interest there teleporting their accounts there now. With this it shouldn't be a thing of surprise if we start observing certain little changes in the teleport process as the days go by and their traffic keeps growing from different angles.

The admin of Altcoinstalk, based on their rules, does not want any drama or anything of the sort. Therefore, I wonder if those members who caused a lot of drama here will be interested in transitioning over there. They might find themselves being constrained and restricted. It's a different platform for them, not their usual playground.

Can you please come out plainly with what you really referring to as the drama's because from what I have seen about those members teleporting over to the altcoinstalk forum these are members that have made respectful name and repute here in bitcointalk and am sure the admin of  altcointalk will be more than glad to have such members in their community to improve discussions.

Maybe I don't know, but I guess the drama you could be referring about is that of the banters and small exchange of talks between contradictory members that may have issues and decides to iron it out mostly in the reputation board, then mate you might be missing on the real deal because it's some of those kind of dramas that makes the forum colourful and lively.

Or except you are talking about something else I don't know.

[LoyceV]

The admin of Altcoinstalk, based on their rules, does not want any drama or anything of the sort. Therefore, I wonder if those members who caused a lot of drama here will be interested in transitioning over there. They might find themselves being constrained and restricted. It's a different platform for them, not their usual playground.

It sounds like censorship: who decides what's "drama"? I'm so glad theymos doesn't care and allows freedom, which is especially important when it's controversial.

[mrust_mobile]

The admin of Altcoinstalk, based on their rules, does not want any drama or anything of the sort. Therefore, I wonder if those members who caused a lot of drama here will be interested in transitioning over there. They might find themselves being constrained and restricted. It's a different platform for them, not their usual playground.

It sounds like censorship: who decides what's "drama"? I'm so glad theymos doesn't care and allows freedom, which is especially important when it's controversial.

That's why the admin told me:

first of all, please remove these images, you are not authorised and we do not wish this to be displayed outside of our forum, you are free to join and write whatever you want, but taking screenshots to criticise on another platform, that's a bit too much, don't you think ?

Yeah like I would want to join a forum like that.

Join and create a topic there, talk about all the shit show going on and then what?

Get tarred and feathered, lose your rank and reputation (which I is already below zero there I imagine), they laugh for a while and then get banned finally when they get bored.

Am I free to join and write whatever I want? He wouldn't let me write whatever I want here if he had the chance.

Who teh fuck is he fooling?

Does anybody think, a guy who forces their users to call some ponzi participant "Your Highness", would promote free speech? Weeee

[philipma1957]

So as much as the days progresses and the managers of the altcointalk perceives the increased in traffic they have recently started receiving as those ban services have now found their way to altcoinstalk thereby attracting bitcointalk members who before now had no interest there teleporting their accounts there now. With this it shouldn't be a thing of surprise if we start observing certain little changes in the teleport process as the days go by and their traffic keeps growing from different angles.

The admin of Altcoinstalk, based on their rules, does not want any drama or anything of the sort. Therefore, I wonder if those members who caused a lot of drama here will be interested in transitioning over there. They might find themselves being constrained and restricted. It's a different platform for them, not their usual playground.

Ah fuck pretty good post. Here is a merit or 2


ah loyce it is more censored and the ability to have genuine long dialogues is not yet there.

But if the bull comes and a few alts moon 🌖 it will likely grow more.

I am a bitcointalk guy Far more than an altcoinstalks guy.

But for now I will post 20 or more posts a week there .

I am 1 payment into the 100 payments I need to make up for the refund I gave to an un named mixer due to the mixer ban..  Just 99 weeks to go.