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As I just said in another thread, I think this topic deserved its own thread.

The main effect that the ban has had is that the mixers have gone to advertise in another forum (shitcoinstalks.com), and with it the campaign managers here as well as a lot of forumers that have been "teleported", being currently active in both forums. I put here the quote of mine from the other thread that I think sums it up well:


This is not to criticize theymos' decision to ban mixers, which I understand in order to prevent greater evils in the future, but it is important to be aware of the danger of traffic transfer if further restrictions are introduced in the future.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. Does any organic traffic actually land at that site? Not really. Does it have posts by Satoshi, Hal, Vitalik & other crypto-luminaries of our time? No. Does it have 12 years worth of content & backlinks? No.

Here's a quick comparison of the site's traffic metrics according to Similarweb:

Bitcointalk Global Rank: #39,778 Worldwide
Altcoinstalks Global Rank: #540,599 Worldwide

Bitcointalk Monthly Visits: 1.5 million
Altcoinstalks Monthly Visits: 45.4 thousand

Bitcointalk Traffic Sources: 42.54% Search
Altcoinstalks Traffic Sources: 10.45% Search


I assume the campaigns there are paying peanuts compared to here. Also, its got to be a complete spamfest, which is why its not attracting organic traffic. If people want to make a few extra bucks by posting there, good for them. I don't think it will detract from Bitcointalk's status.

We shouldn't blame the admin for removing Mixers he just wants to make the forum clean and safe.

Why worry about them their forum is not yet the same as Bitcointalk which has more impressions than this forum.
There's no problem for any forum users to teleport there since we can be active here and there(I myself am actually more active here than there).
And I agree the campaign rates there are pretty low and not so active unlike here on the forum.

No, but it has posts by examplens, tranthidung, dkbit98, hugeblack, bitmover, Stompix, Rikafip, Igebotz and BlackHatCoiner among others. And so far I have counted 4 managers of signatures campaigns of this forum also there.


You look at the still photo, and I'm talking about the possible evolution.


At $40 to $45 a week when campaigns here pay between $70 and $120 for Legendary doesn't sound like peanuts to me.


A complete spamfest by examplens, tranthidung, dkbit98, hugeblack, bitmover, Stompix, Rikafip, Igebotz and BlackHatCoiner? Yeah sure. And every day new users are teleported.


I don't know why you're responding if you don't even read what I'm saying, and the other one talking about spamfest. I quote it to you to see if it is clear to you:

Altcoinstalks is at a severe disadvantage in every relevant metric. No way its going to take a measurable traffic share from Bitcointalk. Did all the posters you mention "defect" from here to there? If they want to post over there as well, good for them, but I'd be very surprised if they stopped posting here.

Sig campaigns are the result of Bitcointalk's traffic, prestige & reputation; not the other way around.

Guess I just fail to understand what the problem here is.

The point is, you're trying to protect the current Bitcointalk's traffic right?

In capitalism, competition is inevitable, if sooner or later altcoinstalks can gain a good traffic, the campaign in this forum should increase their payrate to make it better. Isn't this is good? the new campaign is only compete against the other campaigns, but they will need to compete against other campaigns and altcoinstalks in order to get a good poster.

Most of the members who have moved to that forum are still active on this forum in fact their activity on this forum is way more on this forum than on that forum.

All of the members have to allocate time on daily basis to post on both forums. A good number of users have moved to that forum, however nothing is wrong if the members can allocate more out of their daily time on another forum.

If someone is ready to put more effort on another forum and also has an account on this forum then that should not be a general issue I guess. The managers also shifted to that forum but they're still more active on this forum.

Why will users switch to another forum? There is still a company signature for mixers, but they pay much cheaper than here. This only means that both forums are used to make money. Remove all company signatures from both forums today; you will see those who are interested in Bitcoin or other crypto. And also, who will have more traffic.
But another interesting fact is how easily people are willing to exchange for small things, agreeing to do the same thing only for a much lower price. Can we blame them? This only indicates their financial need.
But there is also the factor of convenience and habit. Today I visited that forum for the second time since 2018, and I feel uncomfortable there.

OP isn't criticizing theymos decision to ban mixers. He only pointed out the effect of mixer ban in Bitcointalk. But I think that there is no problem anywhere. Theymos decision simply favoured Altcoinstalks forum, and did not take any traffic off from bitcointalk.
BTT just gave Altt some number of participants and did not lose any. It is just about those that has the ability to dualize.
If today theymos makes a rule that it is either you are here or there, but not both, everyone will immediately desert there. But that is not a rule that theymos will make.
Maybe theymos is somewhat happy that another forum got lucky by his decision. Having an alternative forum is fine, incase theymos falls out of love with the US government. So, there's nothing to bother. Where I think will be an issue is in the case of newbies. If the DT bullies here are not lenient on newbies, they might likely run to the other forum where growth is faster and without merits

This is the stats for December.
In October before Mixer Drama's global rank for Altcoinstalks was #1,546,457. I would say there is significant growth. However, it is still early for any analyses and conclusions.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/12/08/Nx08f.png


At some point Altt admin himself confirmed that these two forums cannot be compared. Simply, BTT is No. 1 not only as a forum but for the Bitcoin ecosystem itself. Altt is there as a supplement and is more dedicated to other cryptocurrencies. About Bitcoin itself and the services related to it, there is certainly a much better discussion here with many more relevant participants and information.

Certainly, this whole mixer ban will change some things.


Even if he criticizes, it is not forbidden.
As far as I know, this forum is still open for everyone to express their opinion. I criticized that decision and I still have the same opinion, but if it is the admin's decision for the long-term protection of the forum, I understand it. In the end, the only choice I have is to accept such a decision.

lol...interesting!! why do you think they won't? Lovesmay - everything might seem okay but, there isn't an oath of commitment or whatsoever, that bonds anyone in here ... It's solely about everyone's personal interest, which might be different from the purpose of which the forum was created... The fact that you never knew about signatures before getting registered might be true, but for some, signatures acted like the "catalyst"..
lovesmay, how much worth of trash coins do you think would equate exactly what you're being paid in your current campaign??!.. how much of those trash coins were being paid to anyone on bounty projects?.. how many shittyheads did you see, trailing along the bounty threads and begging to join?.... Seems you don't even know how desperate these degenerates are.
Personally, I've never thought of an alternative that mixers would have, talkmore of getting registered on a site,. whatsoever.
Edit: if that should matter to anyone, it should be THEYMOS himself...
..and what's this capitalism/breaking of monopoly stuff that you speak of? Are you aware that this site was created by the FOUNDER(Satoshi) himself?

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I made a note that I do not condemn such people. They have a reason: the need for finance. But I'm also talking about those other people who will exchange the convenience of a good car for any jalopy that somehow moves. :)

Nobody ever abandoned their good car; they still have it, but the ban on mixers only presented them with an alternative (jalopy) that also drives, so it's acceptable to say they now have two cars instead of one. And if good car is ever stolen, they will have something to fall back on at home.

The ban on mixers on BTT opened up opportunities for everyone to earn money elsewhere while still having a presence here. ATL forum is the new found gold.

There's no decision that wouldn't come with a side effect. The ban might look harsh now but Theymos been cautious had to protect the forum future the best way he can.

About the Altcointalk, The forum despite its efforts feels too young and lacks substantial information regarding various topics.
If i want to gain something i come to Bitcointalk and it has this comfortable feeling here unlike Altcointalk.
Everybody there are still active here. There's no way they would forfeit BTT for ATT.
Personally took it as an opportunity since its relatively new and would be easier to build a presence there not to mention no extra bucks for Minimal effort would be turned down.

$40 a peanut? Yes but accumulated in BTC continuously? Now that's a DCA.

If OP really tries the forum, you would understand the difference between it and Btt.
With time maybe people would start having a homely feeling with it but currently its a place to gain extra bucks.


One can get scared on the traffic if(not when) all signatures gets banned in Bitcointalk
That i believe would have a blow in our traffic.
Despite all this people would still be around
People came when Bitcoin was barely a dollar
Not to mention when its in 6-7 figures.
As long as Bitcoin exist. Bitcointalk would always be Dominant. Always.

I am not too familiar with that forum but I think it makes sense over time some members will go there and use both forums. In the end, virtually every person associated with the forum has that link because of financial incentives.

If members here could make money at a different forum at $30-$40 per week while still making $70-$80 here, they will do it because they will receive an extra income. Now that there is a mixers ban here, it will probably expedite the sign-up elsewhere and if does not impact immediately it will definitely do so over time.

With alternatives out there, members will use other forums and with that increase in traffic and popularity will increase even if takes time.

I think bitcointalk will not die even if there are no more campaigns here. Bitcoin users are already ideological and this is where Bitcoin was born. Even though I haven't followed the campaign for a long time, the discussions on this forum are quite interesting, I'm still here and not yet interested in altcointalk. I don't know the future...

Apart from that, this forum is also not intended to make a profit from advertising so it doesn't matter if there is a slight decrease in traffic because maybe this forum is dedicated only to supporting bitcoin, not for profit like altcointalk

What i mostly noticed is that there are people who so much care about their privacy, I am also a member over there but then it was so dull on my eyes to comprehend and even to move around because it's not as same as this place and I find it very hard to post over because of its poorly design nature.

Then talks about how mixers have moved down over there, well there are some mixer that has invested hugely by holding contest after few months to start establishing themselves it was then the announcement of limiting mixers they had no option than to move down there since that place lack reputable posters and users, there is no day they would start paying huge amount as same as here but I think with gradually process they would increase their offer but, that doesn't mean that people won't still stick around here to gain information and gets themselves updated on a regular basis.

I also see no sense to limit people from here over there because there are people who solely believe on privacy so even though they are getting paid for be around there it's good to make themselves familiarize over the forum I also believe that with the look out of things certainly payment are going to increase after they noticed they've gain enough traffic or even succeeded gaining the attention of most of the reputable users from here.

I am also in support to Theymos decision to ban mixers over here, all this was for a reason of safety of this site instead of here will be ceased by any government agencies it's better to limit mixers and I believe there will be no further limitation of project but if there's any theymos will surely make an announcement towards that so there is no need to crucify those who teleported their account over there the main thing is about choice and nothing much again nothing changes.

Do you think growing over is that cheaper as you may think?
From my little stay over there i don't think is that easy to easily rank up over there and still op is correct on what he is saying just as you said. The restriction of mixers here has given that forum exponential growth from how it was knowing that some of the people here are teleporting their account over there, but still there is nothing wrong with that but they should be careful in terms of teleporting accounts to avoid account compromised even entirely losing their account due to high rate of teleportation, they could easily use their login details over here to make account there by so doing they have revealed their main account password to other site which easily to be hacked and that could be done by admin.

Passwords must not be reused.

Teleport account or create a new account on different websites, passwords must be different.

If you reuse your password, you are responsible for your weak security.
[GUIDE] How to Create a Strong/Secure Password (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5132378.0)

Your account, email can be in data breaches too.
https://haveibeenpwned.com/

Do not let this bother you so much, anyone can go anywhere they want to, that is human beings for you, and we are also in a free world. If you hear them, you will think it is Bitcointalk for life, but with little alterations in the forum for the sake of the forum, you see them jumping around. Who doesn't know it is all for the money?

They are doing the double standard without even any patience for the forum at all. Well, I do not see that stopping or reducing the traffic here as you can see, and as it is, those who even went to post in other forums only increased their presence there but have not relinquished their presence here, which makes Bitcointalk better as 75% of posters here may not even bother to go there.

As for theymos, I don't think he reasons things your way. He is probably more concerned about the sanity and integrity of the forum, rather than the traffic you are talking about. "A good name is better than silver and gold."

Nah, man, Bitcointalk is a lone warrior in this space, more specifically in forum-style discussions around Bitcoin. Bitcointalk is not in competition with any other xtalk[dot]com.

No "new" forum will ever reach the same level as Bitcointalk is today. They may attract a few hundred or thousand users, but they can't compete at the same level. The reason is not Bitcointalk but other social media platforms. In terms of traffic, user engagement, and marketing, any new forum will be competing with those platforms, not with Bitcointalk.

Bitcointalk remains a discussion-oriented place, although there are no more hardcore technical discussions related to Bitcoin, as those have moved to more suitable spaces like GitHub, etc. However, the original OGs of the Bitcoin era are still here, and they will stay.

Regarding campaign managers or other groups, they follow the wind and won't stay in one place for long.

Even with all that you have said, we still can't deny the fact that signature campaign here are the major cause of the high traffic and I could bet that if anything was to stop the participation in signature campaigns then the traffic would certainly be dull compare to how it was before. Although I know that this community has gain so much population and popularity and also I agree that discussion here are on another level but the truth is that signature campaign are major core of its much high traffic and that's the truth.

Just visited one of the mixers that was transferred from here to altcoinstalks and from what they used to pay their users back here, the 50 bucks pay cut is a brutal one. The thing is that the other forum's just not marketable enough for them to pay their users any higher than 30 bucks, and the sad thing about this is that since it's not that profitable, they literally have to play the pioneering game and Oregon trail settlement their shit out which is not that cool especially if you're doing it solely for volunteer work.

It's not like the other forum's bad either, did a couple visits in the heat of the mixer bans discussion and I see how similar these sites are to each other which is a good thing, cause it means people can really just go back and forth from here or there without much issue, but the sheer lack of enthusiasm around people, as well as the extreme profit-centric energy that the site gives out (they pay their users for being good boys with altcoins I think) is a stark contrast to the indie-vibes that we bring about in this forum, where people are still getting paid for sure, but it's not like that's the only thing that we're concerning ourselves with.

One thing is for sure to me after finding out about altcoinstalk and how they work there: bitcointalk will not die if the site loses all its signature campaigns and they switch out to altcoinstalk, but it for sure would be nice if it doesn't end up that way 

Without a doubt traffic elsewhere will increase whether or not it decreases here but I am sure theymos already factored in that possibility in when he made the decision to ban mixers.

I think those that do end up using that forum or another will not give up here because the campaign payments here are higher. They would rather use more than one forum than be restricted to just one if it means making more money.

In relation of traffic and possible income through advertisements, 100% sure, the other one will increase. Theymos as a website admin knows much more than any of us in relation of traffic. That's why it doesn't matter to him anymore he knows such thing already, it starts when he stopped accepting the advertisements here.
And mixers promoting their service is none of his business after banning them here (which he thought about it carefully) so, i said it again it doesn't matter to him anymore.

And that's one thing that can't change, right? Motorola and Nokia also had a great reputation and prestige.


There is no problem currently. I am giving an objective description of what happened and what could happen if more signature bans are imposed in the future. And it is that after 15 days of mixer ban here you have a lot of forum members who have gone to another forum to advertise mixers there. You say that as this is Satoshi's forum there will always be traffic here and I say that maybe yes maybe no, I'd better wait and see.


Well, not exactly, I am saying that what can happen if more restrictions are imposed, as could happen in the future with casino signatures, for example, which is something that theymos did not rule out but said he did not foresee in the near future, is that the traffic will go elsewhere. To think that if more and more campaigns are banned here the traffic is going to stay because this forum has a prestige nowadays seems to me quite naive.

And competition seems great to me, because I am also quite capitalist in ideology, but precisely the competition makes things change.


Today. Do you think that is something that can't change?


I think you are the one who has best understood what I have said but I would qualify that that's what happened at the moment, just 15 days after the mixer ban.


Agreed.


That is mainly what is happening. But there will also be some members who have run out of campaign here and are now posting only or mainly there. Two casino campaigns recently ended here.


Keep on dreaming.


If in the first thing you say you show that you haven't understood what I'm saying, I'm not going to waste my time with you.


That remains to be seen.


It's not that traffic would just slow down here, it would go elsewhere.


Merit "exchanged" for agreeing to disagree. That basis has long since been reduced to the bare minimum in the forum.

Maybe it's just me but I did notice reduced activity in certain boards of bitcointalk forum, maybe it's not related with new forum rules or maybe it is.
I also heard about few accounts who left the forum because of this change, and we already know services that had to leave.
Despite everything I think that bitcointalk forum still has the best balance of organic conversation with campaign promotions.
Other forums always existed to offer something that is not available here, and that is not always bad... maybe we are going to have less spam here ;)

Poker Player, I like the perspective and concern you shared with this thread of yours. You share in my thought too concerning the increased traffic that should be expected at the new site – altcoinstalk. However, I don't quite agree with your choice of "shitcoinstalks.com" for that site. It's almost like you're already beating it up. Come to think of it, members from here who are teleporting to that forum aren't lightweight and we should expect a tremendous change there soon.

That site may be at a disadvantage today compared to BTT but that doesn't exclude a certain level of growth there that we know is coming. We should surely expect a resurgence and adjustment in posting pattern in weeks to come and that will surely increase traffic there. Rome wasn't built in a day, was it? I think we should just give it some time, perhaps a year before making these comparisons and conclusions.

It matters to him because if we're not here today, he'll have no choice but to close the forum and go on to other things. I'm sure he had no idea what the "after mixer ban" would do to the forum, and he certainly didn't expect altcointalk to swiftly rush in to take advantage. Most people, including myself, expected the mixes' promotion to transfer to the darknet, but that was not the case. I don't use altcointalk, but their activity appears to have jumped by more than 100% and is still increasing. Another one-sided action from theymos, and the forum is over.

Maybe we're going to be stuck here with old topics and more bumps.

$45 against $150 for the highest-paying campaigns for each site, so yeah you are correct.

As usual with you, you didn't even bother to read what I explained afterwards. I'll explain it to you in another way.

A month ago, the highest paying campaigns on this forum: $250 per week.

A month ago, the highest paying campaigns on this altscointalk: $0.

Now: the only campaign that pays the most in this forum: $150.

On altscoinstalk: $45.

A year from now: we'll see.

The purpose of this thread is to warn of what may happen if more restrictions on signatures are imposed, not simply to rejoice in looking at a still photo of what this forum looks like today.

On Bitcointalk lowest start, the major and first payment  Sig campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15886.0) on Bitcointalk was paying $1.3 cent/month. You'd be lucky to get someone to give you $2-$10 back then, when traffic was similar to that of altcointalk.

Altcointalk lowest payment is $30 per week. Imagine what they'll pay if they ever reach the traffic levels of Bitcointalk. Not forgetting that Altcointalk Sig were paying much lower than the current payrate so we can literally say as the payrate on Bitcointalk dropped ( due to the ban),the payrate on Altcointalk increased. I agree with Poker Player it's just a matter of time.

I have to qualify this. I'm not saying it's a matter of time, but it could happen over time and especially if more restrictions are imposed. Let's imagine that casino campaigns are banned, for example. What would happen? I think that we could see a clear transfer of members and traffic to the other forum.

The effect of the mixer ban on this forum is that this forum gets rid of unwanted problem with the authorities and avoids the possible scenario of shutting down this forum because of active mixers promotion. But the side effect of this ban is that people move on altcoinstalks. Is that a big deal? No, because altcoinstalks can't offer high paying signature campaign because they don't have traffic and low-paying signature campaigns can't attract traffic because almost every campaign here pays way more than campaigns listed on altcoinstalks.com
If altcoinstalks want to make people move from bitcointalk to their website, they have to invest money into signature campaigns and make them artificially pay higher than others pay on Bitcointalk for a long period of time because they don't have traffic and can't gain a competitive advantage in traffic by simply offering $45 campaigns.

Nothing can takeaway over 14 years of history of this forum.

Matter of time can also be applied in many contexts. If casinos are banned, accounts made after 2012 will be gone; in fact, 80% of user activities will be substantially reduced, and Altcointalk will become the new Bitcointalk.

Dude did you read what I posted earlier? Bitcointalk was paying $1.3/month in 2011. If the traffic on Altcointalk increases the payrate will also increase.

The history will remain here, but the majority of people will go to the highest paid forum, leaving here as a historical archive. One more drastic action from theymos and this place is toosed.

I think it's only a matter of time before forums as a place for discussions become a thing of the past, and I think that regardless of signature campaigns, we will see it in the next ten years. Banning mixers from this forum will surely influence some members to change their habits, but I don't think we can say at this moment that the other forum has a chance to become the new "bitcointalk", regardless of the fact that some members "teleported" their profiles there and started participate in signature campaigns.

I think that it should also be taken into account that "they" will not stop hunting mixers, and that no one should be surprised if this (and other forums) that promote them do not end up in a situation where they have to act like this forum or face the possibility that the notification "this domain is seized" will appear in front of their eyes.

It is because the price of Bitcoin back in the day. You have to take into account inflation rates from fiat currencies as well.

Just some years back like 2018 and 2019, $50/week is a standard for Hero and Legendary account, except CM.

In 2011, did you mean this campaign?
up to 50 people, get paid 0.10 BTC to change your signature (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15886.0) for 3 months. 0.1 BTC for 3 months, with BTC price in 2011 (https://bitcoin.zorinaq.com/price/), it's was not much payment. It is like posting and getting BTC for experience and for fun.

History says that the forum has years without signature campaigns. Not big deal if signature will be disabled, the forum will not die even its traffic will drop.

History - signature campaigns and bounties on Bitcointalk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4567657.0)
EVOLUTION OF SIGNATURE AD CAMPAIGNS (BEGINNING DAYS TO THE PRESENT) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5246103.0)
ignature campaign: The lowest and highest payment BTC and USD in 2013-2022 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5403191.0)

All I see here is that "altscoinstalk" can expect a lot of competition! If it's that easy to get people to earn $45 per week on a new forum, there's a lot of money to be made for the forum itself too, and new forums will emerge.

There have been Bitcointalk clones before ;) It shouldn't be that difficult to clone the entire site again, but on a different domain with different rules.

I don't think so. That would only leave a few "social media" ruled by multinationals. I don't ever visit those, and I'm not alone in that.

I doubt that theymos is not aware of the fact that bitcointalk owes vast majority of its current traffic to signature campaigns so I don't thnk that he will easily impose any further signature campaign restrictions. Mixer ban coulnd't be an easy one either and imho it was obvious that it was just a matter of time.


Forums won't completely disappear, but I would be very surprised if they remain relevant in 10 years considering how things are developing. I've been very active on various forums since the early 2000s and situation is constantly getting worse. Golden age of forums was ~15 years ago and since then its all downhill.

The thing is, the forum doesn't need traffic to survive. He's stated a few times over the years that the forum is doing quite well financially & doesn't need to raise money for anything. He's also stated that he thinks its cool that people can earn money from posting. I'd be very surprised if he announces any more kinds of signature bans.


Bitcointalk isn't a company. It's not operated for the sake of turning a profit and doesn't require revenue to continue existing; at least not for decades, or maybe even longer.

The forum will retain relevance by acting as a repository for satoshi's posts. That's all it has to keep doing. It will be relevant for as long as bitcoin is relevant.

It’s obvious most of your observation and speculation happens to be the case and users on the forum has teleported there accounts there in a bid to keep the acquired rank from BTT and other forums but, this doesn’t mean there would be any irrelevances in the traffic on here and how the forum is or should be run.
At the very least, the most that have changed on here is just the ban on mixers which have gained ground in another field. I mean, what would we have expect, they apparently is a needed service in the cryptospace and as such, needs a place to advertise.
Still, there isn’t any assurance that the fate of mixers on Bitcointalkforum wouldn’t be the fate of mixers elsewhere in the near feature. No reason to get worked up about it although, that wasn’t exactly the purpose of the OP.

I think one of the things Poker Player is saying is that as time progresses, the other forum (or forums) will eventually start increasing payouts in the campaigns that are being promoted on them especially as they will be driven by a policy that allows mixers to be visible (and posted about) and will results in mixers competing with each other thus the inevitable payment battle.

How many members would disagree with a principal that as traffic grows on the other forums, their campaign payouts will too, that is part of what Poker Player is stating and it is difficult to argue against that point.

If we were to compare the ratio of users who use forums and the most popular social networks, we would easily conclude that forums generally take a very small share in all of this. According to research from 2023, FB has about 3 billion active users per month, this forum approximately 3000+ active users per week, of which of course not all are unique users.

Considering the situation with those who use AI chat bots today, the question arises as to who will want to communicate in ten years (and probably even sooner) on a platform that will possibly consist of 80% bots and 20% people.

You can get a special deal at $2.5 per post, so the best payment in ALTT is the same as the worst payment for an SR account in BTT. But starting from zero dollars two months ago and $120 a month ago, the difference is clear.

I've noticed more people joining like mocacinno/BlackHatCoiner/witcher_sense in the last 24 hours.
I think ABCbits aka ETFbitcoin is the highest ranking member in terms of merits who join.

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The quality of the forum is as good as the quality of the discussions and the level of spam. Most of the paid posts are from good members compared to the smaller number of spam posts. But there is no alternative to BTT, even if all signature campaigns are banned.

I only hope that campaign managers look for advertisers away from gambling campaigns because that has become the prevailing feature of most signatures on the forum.

Bitcointalk is an original forum of Bitcoin and a birthplace of many other top projects where legends themselves were actively posting and what is altcoinstalks? By the way, I want to say that Bitcointalk was probably the only forum with signature campaign, are there any other forums like this one? Campaigns pay high rate today because this is the OG forum and has the highest traffic with a good SEO profile.
You say that if the traffic on altcoinstalks increases, so will increase the payrate but how is that going to happen? How will traffic grow on altcoinstalks? Explain me this part.

Let's wait and see how long will they be able to allow mixer advertisement on their forum. At the moment there is not a big traffic and nobody cares about their forum and when mixers will be banned, they will be forced to disallow its promotion.

FinCEN Proposes New Regulation to Enhance Transparency in Convertible Virtual Currency Mixing and Combat Terrorist Financing (https://www.fincen.gov/news/news-releases/fincen-proposes-new-regulation-enhance-transparency-convertible-virtual-currency)

It has already grown since the ban of Mixers on Bitcointalk, with some of the forum's reputable members and many more having already transferred their accounts there. FYI, traffic to Bitcointalk increased when the signature campaign launched in 2011. Nobody expected Altcointalk to reach the level of Bitcointalk, but it is now on the right path to compete

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/17/3hbTm.jpeg

Mixers are not illegal and from what I've read the altcointalk forum is not hosted on the U.S jurisdiction so it's safe to say the forum is on a safer space than Bitcointalk.

It is too early to talk about any effect, only 17 days have passed.


Honestly, there is quite a lack of quality discussions there. A fairly small number of members (mostly teleported from here) influence the quality of the conversation, and it is not easy to maintain continuity in writing meaningful posts. It's a good thing that the admin noticed an opportunity for the growth and improvement of the forum, so he works quite actively on it.


Mixer ban is theymos' decision, there is no question of regulation, they are still legal services. So just a rule of the forum, not global at all. I think that the Alttalk admin himself confirmed that he has no intention of banning mixers, at least until it is not punishable to talk about them at all.

As much as I am (on one hand) not happy that mixers advertising on this forum is now obsolete, and on the other hand understand that this decision was made by theymos for the longevity and greater good and safety of this forum, I would also say that..

- The mixer ban
- The migration to another forum

All are somehow a blessing to the other forum, and also a blessing (but maybe in disguise) to the users of this forum as well, since those who have teleported now have the opportunity of joining a campaign on both forums and earning on both.

But still on still, bitcointalk have lost nothing in terms of traffic and so, and like theymos have said, I do not think that there will be any ban or restrictions again any time soon, since the majority of advertisers on this forum have become gambling casinos, gambling itself is not illegal, the government is not against gambling, and casinos are a regulated business that is providing gambling services to gamblers, the chances that theymos will ever have any reason to ban gambling casinos from advertising on this forum, (which may likely affect the forum's traffic) is very slim.

So, for those who care, enjoy the opportunity of earning from both forums while you can  ;D.

The traffic of Bitcointalk don't only increased after the launch of signature campaign in 2011.
Mind you, Bitcoin is just 2years in 2011 and it's harr for an innovative digital monetary system to gain huge acknowledgment and that's what happened with this forum then. Another thing is that Bitcointalk backlink is more powerful than the forum in the subject and Bitcointalk it's also the number one in everything related with cryptocurrency if we're talking about forum.

Bitcointalk after 13 years has gained a huge number of backlinks for it to lose organic traffic, as the domain and the website aged, the search engines are giving it a, especially for any search engine keywords queries if one writer writes an article and that's the only subject in the internet and if some also write that unique subject here in Bitcointalk it will beat the other site even if it is written a year ahead, what subject Bitcointalk tackles it always landed in the first page and that's where generic traffic happens, as long as you are in the first two pages of the keyword you get organic traffic.
Study shows that Searches never get past three pages in their queries.

There's no reason for additional signature restrictions to be imposed because the services being advertised (gambling, exchanges) are either not shady or their industry predates bitcoin. So it's not like we are going to see lawmakers declaring more advertised bitcointalk services illegal.

With that being said, Altcoinstalks is just a bus for people who want to earn extra money doing mixer campaigns. It's traffic is nowhere near bitcointalk (While I cannot get the exact numbers because guests cannot see them, I can confidently tell you they are nowhere near Bitcointalk's 900k page views per day. They do have 3000 guests on average though. Bitcointalk does not say how many guests visit per day but with 900k page views, it is most likely much more than that).

The mixer payouts there are a bubble just like they were here. Except the average pay here went from $100 to 200/300 and then back down to 100.

Altcoinstalks went from 0 to 45 per week and there weren't any campaigns there before this year except for bounties. Now there are just mixer campaigns there and bounties. Even the DDoS sites which were banned here are not advertising over there. Meanwhile Cryptotalk which only existed for running campaigns is not even around anymore, and in any case made no more than  a few dollars/week.

If mixers become banned by law then the average payout over there goes back to zero as there will be no more campaigns left if mixers are banned there too. And it's not like Altcoinstalks admin is just going to stand by and let their forum get sanctioned or shuttered because of this.

This is not hate, it's just facts and data.

It's good for bitcointalkers who want to go earn extra money. But as long as bitcoin.org, twitter, publications, Nostr and all those other platforms are ignoring Altcoinstalks links, then traffic will not grow, and hence signature payments there will not grow.

Bitcointalk could ban all signatures tomorrow and the payout goes to 0.

But it wouldn't increase the payouts on Altcoinstalks at all for the reason I mentioned above - no traffic. A global signature ban will not increase Altcoinstalks traffic by guests. Only by +100 forum members who haven't teleported yet.

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That's because Bitcoin itself was not as big as it is now - 2010-2013 Bitcoin was much smaller than today.


Because the mixer industry is already big.


Guys, you are thinking a website will just blow up in popularity like Threads or ChatGPT because of signature campaigns? 3 years of SEO experience tells me that this is incorrect. Sig campaigns are for members, so the difference will only be in terms of members NOT guests who come here from other sites and don't even get signatures.

Prior to the last couple weeks, the only times I had ever visited that forum was to look for clues about alt accounts. There's literally no reason for any guest visitors to go there. If I wanted to scroll through shitposts about altcoins, I'd just hop on over to Altcoin Discussion, leaving the forum is not required.

Actually from what I've observed from that forum, it will be easier for spammers to rank up over there compared to Bitcointalk ranking up system. I kept watch of some accounts that were created some months after the announcement of the mixer ban, and just In a period of thirty days I noticed that they had already gotten to the full member rank. From my own idea, those spammers who found it difficult to rank up here on btt because of the merit system might flood that website and rank up faster joining signature campaigns but it's still very easy to know a good quality posters. So far most of the signature campaigns are picking good quality and high reputable members from Bitcointalk and altcoinstalk also. So even if they rush to rank up in a short period they still might not be selected in the paid campaigns.

Overtime, more advertisement campaigns will open up over there and it will create opportunity for members of BitcoinTalk to earn extra weekly. I see nothing wrong with that. The only thing that might be complicated here is the teleportation of account from btt. But I still see no effect it has to any users account here. The admin did that to make it easier for members who may be interested in moving over there. And instead of rushing to rank up which takes time, you just continue over there with your account from Bitcointalk.

A wise individual will not make the mistake of using same password on two different accounts. We should be security conscious of anything we don online. The security her on btt might be strong compared to altcoinstalk but we shouldn't take any chances.

Bitcointalk is not a company and a forum without traffic is not a forum, it is a relic or a ruin, like the Roman ruins that people visit, not a forum. If hypothetically tomorrow there will be no more traffic on the forum, it will surely continue to survive because it will not need money, but it will not be a forum, it will be a ruin.

It has taken one decision from theymos to create a migration of several higher ranking member to at least one other crypto forum. They simply followed where the money went and to be honest most members here are here for the money too. Overall, I would assume he took that in to account before making the decision and would probably do it all over again even if he knew the outcome because he did not want mixers that do not use coinjoin advertised in the forum.

The barometer to gauge the real impact of migration to other forums will not necessarily come down to what happens here  because those migrating will keep posting here to earn whatever they can whilst they post over there to earn whatever they can, therefore though traffic should not decrease here but it will definitely increase there. As that (and other forums grow) this forum will not necessarily be the first place for crypto newbies to register.

If we have this conversation after on year, it will be interesting to see exactly how much the competitors to this forum have grown versus the rate at which this forum has grown.

I'm sure that Theymos is well aware that the traffic is being moved elsewhere in fact that's the whole reason he banned them in the first place. I don't think this change really has any negative affects whatsoever except for the folks that were in those camps. I also don't see casino camps getting the boot anytime soon as gambling is perfectly legal in most countries and more in particular the SEC isn't as strict on those.

It will always be a forum. For the sake of argument, I kind of see what you're saying, but its more like a museum than a ruin. The museum has a 6-year-deep layer of spam around it, yet its important exhibits are still easily located with the right Google queries.


Traffic isn't being moved elsewhere. Everyone who opened an account on altcoinstalks is still here. Organic traffic over there is minimal because its 100% spam... Like a contemporary museum without exhibits, there's no reason for visitors to go there.

The impact is only that more people teleport from btt to altt. But I hope that everyone who teleports can still maintain the security of their account on BTT. By not using the same password to be in different forums but with the same name. Because if one of the accounts in the forum has been successfully infiltrated by someone else, it will be the same as our accounts in other forums. So the most important thing is to have a different password for each account we have on other forums. Not only on altt but also on other crypto forums, which are actually quite numerous at the moment even though the traffic is quite light.

It's never recommended to use the same password across multiple accounts, but we now have an additional line of defense to protect Bitcointalk accounts. You have probably noticed that the forum now allows to set up 2FA. So, even if your password leaked, whoever gets their hands on it would also need the 2FA code, assuming that you set it up.

In the run up to announcing a huge decision such as banning mixers, I would be surprised if theymos did not foresee traffic at other forums increasing. As this forum has signature campaign participants earning more than elsewhere, he would not have to contemplate less posts being made here but would surely have accepted the inevitable changes at other forums.

I don't think that's going to be the least of their concerns or worries as I noticed that most users who got their accounts teleported from BTT to ALTT end up using the very same email they used to sign up to this site as well. Which means that regardless if they used the same password or not. A hacker determined to really get a hold of some BTT user's details will be able to use their email as an access pass without real issue.

The greater concern lies in the fact that this change led to fewer campaigns, less traffic into the forum, and the fact that energy is diverted from everywhere else in the forum to gambling discussion, since most of these signature campaigns (including the one that I'm on right now) require their members to post a couple comments in the board. The latter's not necessarily a bad thing as more people means the gambling board can finally get its break from stupid users creating shitposts and shitcomments but at the very same time this takes engagement out of the more important parts of the forum in my opinion. We may not notice it right now but as more gambling sites push for advertisement here it's going to be more and more apparent.

Pretty sure theymos got's something up his sleeve as what many people here have thought since you can't just issue a massive change like this without weighing in the consequences, but at the same time it's better be good lol.

You have to post a stat to back up your claim, I have always said before that Bitcointalk's massive traffic comes from organic traffic created from thousands of discussions that are indexed by search engines, and with thousands of backlinks Bitcointalk gets massive respect from the search engine

Traffic does not come from gambling posters and gamblers alone some discussions about Bitcoin and other subjects that are years older that able to pull traffic for Bitcointalk.


I'm pretty sure Theymos knows what he is doing he is the Admin he has the comprehensive traffic stat of the forum, apart from the public stat here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats

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Let's take off the forum thread author creating some keyword queries.  
There's still no way the forum will have the chance to compete with Bitcointalk in terms of organic traffic because the forum lacks quality UI/UX and it's somehow complicated and not easy to use when navigating some thread, or section to another.

Now I only understand the importance of 2FA after hearing your explanation that the problem of password leaks can be solved with 2FA. Initially I ignored this feature because I still felt I didn't need this feature. But you are right that with 2FA our account security becomes thicker or more layered. Thank You

It seems I really have to thank the person who came up with the idea of ​​adding (optional) 2FA to this forum, namely PowerGlove. Thanks very much PowerGlove.  

I agree there's no fear of your password getting compromised or hacked because it will need a 2FA to log in here in Bitcointalk I used 2FA on all my emails and sites I had an account and I feel safe using a 2FA, we will seldom read topics about account getting hacked, there was even a thread where the account takes a loan without the knowledge of the member, with 2FA it will be prevented.
All we have to do is to protect our email its better to create a dedicated email for Bitcointalk.

Well I thank you for this info.

I will likely look to start posting there myself.

I am getting older and mining has been a grind for me.

I had a really good deal with an un named mixer.

It ended and I had to refund four months of prepaid btc. Well over 4,000 dollars.

I will continue posting here but likely less than I have.

I had planned to end mining and use the mixer signature to help with the transition.

Unless those users that you mentioned haven't hidden their email addresses in their Bitcointalk settings page, you can't possibly know that they have used the same email account on this forum and Altcoinstalk. I am guessing that 7/10 Bitcointalk users have hidden their email addresses from the public. I could be wrong, though. And hacking an email just because you want to isn't that easy if the user has a strong password + the all important 2FA, which can be set up on email accounts as well.

2FA can prevent a 3rd-party from gaining access to your account by entering your username and password. It's important to point out that it can't prevent data leaks. It can't prevent that the forum gets hacked and user data lands in the wrong hands. It only prevents unauthorized access if the second factor is active.

Why go there only for the sake of advertising for mixers, which is no longer allowed on Bitcointalk, when you can join a different kind of signature campaign here? I don't see you as someone who is going to have difficulties finding someone willing to pay for your signature space.

That is exactly the point
I use many forums. You can also find me in stackoverflow and reddit.

There is no "spam fest". I think the forum is trying to evolve.

Now that bitcointalk is not the place to host the community of bitcoin mixer users, there is  gap. Altcoinstalk is trying to fill that gap. I see no problem at all. It might succeed or not.

Where will you go ask for help if you mix some coins and have problems? Or where will you go ask for information about which mixer to use? This is important, and bitcointalk used to be that place.

Exactly, if one forum gets compromised or data gets leaked, there is a high chance of loosing accounts on other forums or sites. That's why we should never reuse the same passwords on multiple sites and always use 2fa. Imagine your Bitcointalk and Bank account passwords are the same and this happens. Scary.

BTW, 2fa can also be compromised if the browser gets hijacked AFAIK.

Maybe I am derailing the main topic, sorry for that.  :)

Okay, let's wait and see. I don't consider altcoinstalks as a threat in any way. There is always a place for high quality posters in high paying campaigns and if someone leaves bitcointalk because they aren't good enough to participate in current signature campaigns (which pay more than campaigns listed on altcoinstalks), then they can leave bitcointalk and move on campaigns that pay $40.

It's not only about being legal and illegal. When you let services like that to promote on your website, you'll be in trouble. When you are a small guy, no one cares but when you have a big traffic and an active audience, then they care. If altcoinstalks grow, they'll have to deny mixer signature campaigns, if they don't grow, then no one will ever care. And if they don't grow, payments will remain low.

Well if you know me you know most of the time I never used a signature. Been here 11 going on 12 years.  Maybe did 3 or 4 years of signatures and 7 or 8 without.

I was prepaid for 6 months and had done 1 month with the unnamed mixer. They had to end and asked for 4 months refund. I thought if they are on altcoinstalk I would contact them and do an ad specifically for them.

If I were younger and still planned to mine I would not need the signature money.

I likely will end up doing a set of two signatures one here with a non mixer and one with a mixer on alt coin. they likely will be less than the 6 month deal I had. but maybe close enough to end mining. I am older my 67th birthday is in 4 days and mining only gets harder to do with age.

I've seen that you have already been teleported. The only thing I would advise you to do is to try to get a customized deal, as hugeblack said.


And as you said, you can combine the two forums. With how much you write you can do a good job in both.

Good luck with it.

Shitcointalks.com? I don’t have an account there and probably never will. Yobit tried to have their own forum and they failed miserably. The forum you are talking about is probably another wasteland. Even if somehow they have some conversation going on there, it won’t be any different than what happened on yobit’s forum. Mixers are advertising there now? Well, good riddance… If these mixers pay the same rate as they did in btt, then they are scamming themselves. I don’t think any real person reads that forum for real. It must be a massive spamfest. Still though, If any of you have a ranked acc there, go take advantage of it.


This quote tells everything you need to know about that forum. They won’t last.

Another blind member who sees still photos instead of processes. In October 2017, which is when ATT was created, that difference sure was a lot worse. And you could have said that with much more reason. 7 years later it's still alive and kicking. As well as having a bunch of quality posters teleported from Bitcointalk there.

I am going to say something very simple.

I am a miner. I believe in turning watts into wealth.

This means POW may be good or bad.

I know of at least 4 or 5 POW coins I respect and have always done well mining.

So one of the most annoying this about Bitcointalk is "BTC good all else is shit."

Seems like a form of racism to me. But that's how I see it and I am just a guy in NJ,USA

So I know have two places to posts. I am going to try to cut a deal with the mixer that was forced to end here and that I promptly refunded over 4,000 usd worth of payments in late Dec.


and lets see those rankings in 30 more days.


Bitcointalk Global Rank: #39,778 Worldwide
Altcoinstalks Global Rank: #540,599 Worldwide

So what are you really telling? Are they going to become as big as btt? They may get bigger as btt gets bigger but will they become bigger than btt just because they have the mixer campaigns?

I see some other user said it is easier to rank up there, if that’s the case, it is a good opportunity to make some extra income for those who have the extra time and dedication to raise an acc there.

I guess everyone has a different condition which makes them see this differently. For a person like me who has limited free time, it doesn’t make any sense to raise an acc there especially when that forum’s future is uncertain.

For somebody who doesn’t have a full time job, it is a nobrainer decision. Go and milk that forum.

Though you are right about those that do not have a full time job, there are also those that employ others to post for them while they themselves concentrate on building up other accounts. I recently tagged an account that used either AI or had someone with less understanding posting on his behalf and that is another aspect of what lengths some people go to in order to pocket some cash whether at this forum or elsewhere.

Look I will post 10 - 20 posts a day there but mostly so far I do not get much discussion.  I actually welcome its growth as I do not like the BTC good all the coins shit coins mantra that many practice here. (I maintain that there are about 4-6 good POW coins worth mining)


btw

https://altcoinstalks.com.webstatdata.com/

has 2,266 unique visitors
and 9,064 page views

Alexa rank is 371,541


this site loves them
https://www.similarweb.com/website/altcoinstalks.com/#overview


https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/24/kmkN5.png

Could you share those coins, please?

I see some good Proof of Work coins worth mining and worth to use for fund transfers too.
Dogecoin
Litecoin
Monero
Zcash
Ethereum Classic

Those PoW coins are best in network security but they of course can not compare with Bitcoin network.
https://howmanyconfs.com/

add btc and grin

and the hotspot network has possibility to be okay.

Well man, I've repeated it throughout the thread but I'll repeat it one more time: that if new restrictions on signature campaigns were to be introduced, what has happened now is a warning of what could happen: that traffic would go elsewhere. It's something that has been talked about many times on Meta, there's even a current thread on the subject (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5481286.0), but this is the first time we've seen a restriction and its consequences.


I agree.

People also can’t make money from sharing nudes here as they do it on onlyfans. Here is another deal btt failed to take advantage of. All those pretty girls do their thing on onlyfans instead of btt… and showing nudes for money is legal in the US as far as I know. Why don’t theymos create a board for the nsfw content? Lots of rich bitcoiners would pay for this kind of content.

theymos saw the risk with the mixers isn’t worth taking.

I wonder where the altcointalk servers are located. Does anyone have an idea about the admin’s home country there? Is it Russia by any chance?

So you're saying I can get a high-ranking shitcointalk account and sell it? :D

Sure they can, but who's going to pay a bunch of ugly guys for nudes?

That is a pity indeed :(

I don't know what they do about that. I actually have taken a look around and I see that they don't let you have multiple accounts there unlike here. They ban it right away. So they are probably against account selling.

I also noticed there are many grammar errors made by either the admin or the mods. There is a picture made with paint.exe tells you about the forum rules... Everything in that forum reeks of unprofessionalism and it indeed looks like yobit's forum version 2.0.


Are you telling me that you wouldn't pay a great deal to see foxpup's panties?  8)

“If you build the platform, pretty girls will come.”

There is no such thing as loyalty when it comes to online space (and if there is, the definition of the word 'loyalty' changes between perceptions). Though many of us have an affinity and soft spot for the forum, we will go where the money is. If signature campaigns are banned in totality, the forum will remain open but the traffic flow will become almost non-existent. As a result, alternative forums will thrive to fill the void.

After the mixers ban, it is difficult to see what else could be banned next because pretty much everything else is allowed. Scams are not moderated so scammers continue to post. AI posters only receive neutral tags. Signature spammers only receive neutral tags. Banned account operators return to make new accounts and do not get banned again when reported. Account farmers only receive neutral tags when all their accounts are linked together. I guess, everything else is (and will be) allowed for the foreseeable future but the more restrictions that are placed in this forum, the more other forums will grow.

Neutral tags aren't the problem, the problem is they should get banned.

What the Op is saying is "futuristic". And he is saying how the evolution will happen if people are teleporting to that side daily. But you only made mentioned or analyzed the past and present data or population of the two sides.  The op said the ban of mixers is making wave for the shitcoinstalks or altcoinstalks forum to secure more traffic compared to the time when mixers have not gone to the other forum or banned here. In the world of capitalism, population is one the great element needed to promote any business or project before quality. Bitcointalk is more popular because the great population and if great number of users in this forum go to that side, it will make that side more popular as well. Then let us come to the quality. Yes those people you mentioned are prestigious members here but how many of them participate and use the signature campaigns and their services. Other users are also needed for the growth of the community. In a community, the poor and the rich live together for the expansion and the growth and the development of the the community. Everyone in the community has their role to play, and failure of one part affect the other side. In any organic system, there are three elements for the progressive of it. The first one is growth: And bitcointalk.org has passed the stage of growth and every orgasm must passthrough this stage so altcoinstalks is on that stage now and that is why the Op said, the evolution is high in the future there. Then secondly, the development stage: This is last stage of all organisms and bitcointalk is in this stage. This is the stage where quality is needed, more features are needed in this stage to beautify the organism or the project. And altcoinstalks has not come to this stage but still on the growth stage so the Op has foresaw what will happen in the future and not the present. And what is happening in the present tells what will happen in the future.

Then concerning the peanut you said. Yes the other forum has peanut as the reward to the participants but it was a manager from here initiated that payment there and others follow suit and presently he has brought it to this forum as well. Didn't you think others might follow suit? Since the competition is not like before again. Yes the spamfest is high there but the visibility and the participation of users in the services of the campaign sites is one of the major thing in the advertisement. Qualitative is highly needed in all advertisement but according to the Holy Bible, let all grow together.

Agreed, they should be banned. In an attempt to try to force the hand of moderators I placed a negative tag on a Stake signature spammer that either uses AI or employs others with less English grammatical understanding to write posts for him. The spammer started writing in perfect English complaining at every possible opportunity that he should not have received a negative tag (and was no longer wearing the Stake signature therefore it is safe to say he was kicked out as a result of my negative tag).

I eventually withdrew the negative tag as advised (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5481461.msg63494386#msg63494386) and replaced it with a neutral. The Stake signature campaign spammer immediately returned to the gambling board to spam there after he was wearing the Stake signature again (albeit he was celebrating that 3 members added me to their distrust list because I gave him a negative tag). What this incident shows is that using AI does not get members a ban. Using others to post on your account to meet signature quota does not get a ban. Something does need to change at some point.

If the Stake campaign manager was operating with a due-diligence policy then the discussion would never have happened. These spammers cannot get on to other campaigns therefore the Stake campaign manager has contributed to the problem by giving them a platform and paying them to spam with farmed accounts. Moderators do not ban signature spammers and that is also part of the problem.

Would other forums (that see themselves to some degree as competition against this forum) allow that to happen on their platforms as their traffic flow increases? I have not studied any of them long enough to know but if they view what is happening here they should at least try to emulate the good parts and dispose of the worst parts.

Ok, I understand now what you are talking about. In that case, get in contact with their representatives and see what kind of deal you can get for posting on Altcoinstalk, but don't expect such an attractive package this time. Remember to reserve and duplicate your profile from Bitcointalk to Altcointalk.

Oh damn. Remind me to stand up the next time I address you.  ;)

Hey @bitmover. If you are going to criticize me, I think you should say it to my face, in this forum. And apart from that I would be better that you criticized me for things that I have said, not for things that I have not said and nutildah has said.

In other words, you said:


Source: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316053.msg1479153#msg1479153

Cite me where I have said this. It seems to me that you are confusing me with nutildah. I would expect a rectification from you:


@bitmover: I'm watching you lol.

Your wife found a husband.  Anything is possible.

that's funny.

So I now get paid peanuts for promoting that same mixer I used to promote.

It will take me years on the lessor site to get back the coin I refunded to them when they were ended here.

Sidebar question which belongs in the banned mixer thread.

I have these words under my avatar

"Your Privacy Matters"

Rather than say I cut the deal and get accused of a deal for that would changing it to

" Privacy Matters " cover me from any accusations .

 I am willing to change it to anything that is approved

Maybe  'The right to privacy matters'. it is now

'The right to privacy matters'.

I think it is not a quote of any known person so I made it that.

Many people say that Bitcoin is good and altcoins are shit because, to my mind, majority of them want to post for the sake of post counts and spam threads. It's like a copied text everywhere. They say that Bitcoin is good and altcoins are shit without even discussing about them. For example, why is Monero shit compared to Bitcoin? Can anyone with solid arguments tell me that Monero is a shitcoin? They can't, so, don't take that mantra seriously. There are altcoins that have their pros and cons, bitcoin has its pros and cons too. For some, Bitcoin might be the best coin and for others, some altcoins might be the best choice but this doesn't mean that every other alternative currency is a shit.

Alexa is dead, those are false numbers. To be honest, I wouldn't rely on statistics given by those websites.

well you could be correct I have zero idea how to know website traffic reported is accurate.

How about if I sign in and out of this website 10 times an hour daily does it count at 240 visits or 1 ?

I didnt criticize you. I quoted you criticizing me. That is enterily different.

I am not confusing you with nutildah. You explicitly mentioned me, and he didn't

Oh, so what I see is that you didn't understand, at all, what I said.

You know what sarcasm is, buddy?

You understood it completely the opposite.

It might be unfortunate but that is how things work sometimes. There was a clear stretch going back many years which allowed mixers to be promoted here freely and many members enjoyed the benefits of participating in various signature campaigns. As part of the evolution of this forum a decision was taken by the administrator to exclude/ban mixers therefore we have to move.

I see nothing positive nor constructive when reading about how the ban has affected people. It was not nice when you made a partial refund to that mixer for your bespoke deal and also to read you stating you receive peanuts to promote the same mixer on a different forum therefore I sympathise with you but it will be better if the comparisons stop and we all move forward.

If in the end as a result of the ban other forums start building momentum, traffic and popularity then that simply is another option for those that want to register and effectively join signature campaigns. I hope you get over the money you repaid and simply enjoy looking at what possibilities await after the mixer ban dust settles.

Which source for visitor numbers would you recommend or suggest using as a comparator for what could be deemed more accurate statistics?

I got a notification for this.
@bitmover, I think you misunderstood Poker Player. As a counterargument to the @nutildah statement, about the opening of the spamfest, he mentioned these names with the question of whether this is expected of them as well. I'd say it even sounded respectable on his part.


Similarweb is the closest thing to what Alexa used to do.

That requires you put in the effort first ;)

Ok, sorry then . I am not native english speaker and might have missed something.

Asides from my teleported message, I have never submitted a single post!  :P And yes, the rest are quality posters, but they're a really small minority.

As an aforementioned user, I can assure you that altcoinstalks is a spamfest. Having "Coin Voting", "Bounties & Rewards" and "Aidrops & Giveaways" as the very first sub-boards visitors will immediately see, says it all.

If you pay a little or more attention to the forum, you would have seen that there is a massive reshuffling going on right now, with open discussions on boards and sub-boards to be deleted.Things may be slower since the administrator does not sit behind the monitor and make choices; instead, he allows members to decide what is best for the forum. The ALT forum is more democratic, which is something we lack here.

There is no such thing as a spam-free forum; if you're waiting for the forum to be spam-free, you will wait forever.

I took another look, tried to read what was going on there, and its pretty awful. Good god. What are y'all possibly thinking. It's not just a spamfest, its a Super Summer Spam Extravaganza.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/26/kE45j.png

Yes I know it would take me about 5 seconds to find a post equally as bad on this forum, but these types of post dominate over there. To each their own I guess. You guys have fun.

Well, I do take a look at that forum from time to time, but I don't get to the point of following everything you all do there. I simply put on that list those I saw teleported at the time.


Again with the still photo. Fine, you keep the still photo and I'll keep the process. I feel like I'm going to have to repeat it a million times in the thread.


Aside from the fact that you also insist on the still photo, I hope you are not saying this to argue with me because if what you mean is that as of today there is more spam there than here I agree.

https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=63.0

I actually thought to register for a second then I saw this thread above. Look at this beauty^


You actually lose your activity points when you stay inactive and you must buy an annual subscription for $100  (or $4/day wtf?) not to lose your activity points which you can do here in BTT forever for free. You can leave your account inactive for XX years here and you will find it perfectly fine when you return. (unless it gets hacked of course)

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Ask experts? ($99/yearly sub)They are selling their knowledge for money... You can get all the information you need here for free. Some bitcoin devs are still reading this forum and even if you can't reach any devs, there are other people as informed as them will answer your questions for free just to help bitcoin adoption.

THEY DO IT FOR MONEY.

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Trading classes? Are you fkn serious? How is this any different than those scam telegram channels where they shill you scam projects while they are dumping their positions? Imagine theymos giving TA lessons for money in this forum...

If you think  this is the most ridiculous one, you haven't seen nothing yet.

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Am I paying 0.1 eth to delete, modify etc my own posts?? I can modify my posts for free here for fucks sake. ~$222 to edit posts. Nice one.

There is even more don't just leave yet.

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I saved the best one for the last.

This is where it all goes full retard.

They make you king but only till some one else pays more than you. And the price is 10.5 ETH for now, that's ~$22.4k. It doesn't take much smarts to see how can they scam you here. If the admin doesn't like your attitude, one of his sockpuppets can pay 11 eth and take away your title.

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Conclusion:

This forum is trying to milk their users. If you go there and think you can milk them, think twice. Did theymos ever force any of you to pay for the forum expenses? Ever? This forum (shitcointalk) sells the basic forum features in the name of paying their expenses. (The expenses probably include a 50 feet long sailboat too) And you lose something when you don't post so they are forcing you to be active all the time (unless you pay to stay inactive)

This is worse than yobit's forum. This is a full blown pyramid scheme.

Don't forget Bitcoin Stack Exchange. Absolute gold mine that. A few days ago I asked a question about default private key types and I got an answer from Pieter Wuille the next day.

Beside this place there is also r/bitcoin (becoming a bit spammy though) and Stacker News, although I guess these are not so oriented to "Expert Questions". And then there is the bitcoin-dev mailing list itself, which is.

https://gbatemp.net/attachments/homer-simpson-gif.348444/

Well done... This was some excellent research. Kudos.

My opinion of that forum... well, it didn't go up after reading this.

Let me say I agree with you about the spam of a thing, once it is a public forum and media where anyone can just open an account and have access to it without prior screening to ascertain their adequacy and inefficiency, no one can prevent the spamming and other things that come with it. The place can only be moderated as we are seeing here and other places.

But for the democratic remarks, unless your words are not coherent with the word, I do not think you are right. Being slow to take action but allowing the forum users to make the decision in most cases looks more democratic to me. Since the alternative forum still wants more traffic, I am sure that they will be more open to advice and suggestions and be fast to implement it, but that is not what we use "democratic" for. They just want your idea (for now), a desperate way to move the forum forward and be like the competitor. But that doesn't mean they are more democratic, and with time when they are strong enough, you will see changes. I think Bitcointalk has never faked it, it has given the users a high level of freedom which can't be shortchanged for anything.

There are? The only threads I can see in so-called "Bitcoin Forum (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=18.0)" board are either duplicates of bitcointalk or simply uninteresting.

Quite frankly, and that might sound harsh, but I don't want a democratic Internet board. I have enough of a democracy everywhere else. I prefer participating in a forum where an administrator promotes as much free speech as possible rather than depending on arbitrary rules favored by a get-rich-quick scheme.

What photo? What process?

That sums it up perfectly. Thanks for confirming that my account deletion request was a good choice.

You stated this well, there are a lot of illogical and meaningless rules. Most of the common features can be purchased, which creates unnecessary clutter and ambiguity. However, I would not say that it is any kind of pyramid scheme, there is no one offers profit by asking for investment. At least not by the forum administration.

As far as I know, Alttalk was created as a response to Bitcointalk, when the marginalization of bounty programs, altcoins and all the other crap that comes with it started here. That's why it is primarily focused on those sections, while the discussion about Bitcoin is left to Bitcointalk, and there, more as curiosity, space is left for talks about Bitcoin. It is obvious (both here and there) that altcoins, shittokens and all the crap that comes with them, do not attract that much interest, hence the marginalization of that forum. It's the same thing with the altcoin discussion boards on this forum.

The forum has its token, which is the centre of the payment you mention. As far as I understand, members are rewarded for their activity with these tokens, which can then be exchanged for money or additional items on the forum. The construction may not be bad, but it is ridiculous for us who are used to all that (and even more) for free.

Now they faced serious things for the first time, with the arrival of several mixer signature campaigns that brought real money (probably the most money in the history of the forum) and in their way attracted people who would not just write rubbish.
The administration is overwhelmed with objections, complaints, and suggestions on the very functionality of the forum (Mainly by teleported users). We will see how he will handle the "crisis" situation. If nothing else, it is obvious that there is a will to improve.

Monarch rank is a ponzi/scam scheme. The price goes only up. You can’t sell your position and they offer you profits for your position.

I remember someone long ago came up with an idea for a crypto currency. You couldn’t sell your coins for a lower price than the market price. This forum rank reminds of that scheme.

You may have misunderstood something. Although I saw that there are some definitions of ranks that have been changed, the posts about it have not been updated (the admin promised to finalize and define the conditions related to the ranking soon)

This is the most recent:

https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=315406.0

I fail to see a difference. My point stands.

Even though it has a lot of spam, it still seems to be in better standing than the Cryptotalk from by the Yobit team because that is almost completely full of spam.

I had a look at that donation page and ended up with a headache. There are far too many options: Patron, Royalty, Donor, VIP and Immortals. The lowest amount to donate is 0.05 ETH but as you scroll down the page a new donor rank (Monarch) appears.

Seriously, who would pay to receive special treatment:

"Special Treatment:

All above ranks get special treatment, here's some examples of perks:
- Get some of the tokens we collect from the different ICOs & Airdrops
- Get Speedy distribution of tokens
- Get access to some reserved sections of the forum
- Get 3 to 10 token distribution transaction fees covered by us."

It is still possible for members from here to register there to earn from signature campaigns without donating (just as most of us are doing when we use this forum) but keeping that aside, who is behind that forum? Rather than operate their alternative forum for crypto discussions to benefit the community they seem to be using it as a front to get as much money as possible via so-called donations.

For 10+ eth, that special treatment better include a daily blowjob.

At this point, I wouldn't pay even 1 ETH for the entire altcoinstalks. Let alone, ten times that for "special treatment", lol.

Now, explain why you teleported your account in the first place. I know 2-3 individuals who went for the mixers campaign, only to discover that the money was less than what a Senior receives here and began writing unfavourable reviews about the forum.

BTT also offer Evil IP fees and custom rank subscriptions, which are all optional rather than necessary, just like the ATL additional account packages. On the ALT forum, payment or subscription is not required; everything is completely free, just like here.

Well, I've explained it several times in the thread, but don't worry I'll repeat it. If you look at the title of the thread, this is about the effect that the mixer ban has had, and it has been, that many forumers have gone to altcoinstalk, for the moment being active in both forums. That to me is a pretty clear sign that if more restrictions were introduced, traffic would go elsewhere. When many of you argue that this forum has more quality or less spam than the other, I agree, but I don't look at whether there is more quality or less spam here now, I look at what has happened in less than a month and what could happen in the future.


Very good, lol. I had visited that forum but did not know what you are explaining. Sounds like desperation for money. That, along with worthless token and the ponzi look looks bad.


Lol.  ;D

I have known about the pay rates there beforehand, if that's what you're curious to know. Otherwise, no offense, but it is none of your business.

It does have a rationale, I'm just struggling to imagine legitimate users moving into there. The list of red flags is endless. Bitcointalk is not restrictive, it just recently became a little more strict with advertising potentially darknet originating services. It's pretty much the opposite; free speech to the extreme.

To put it in this way: is there any reason to migrate to altcoinstalks other than to advertise mixers? To me, the answer is no.

Allow me to announce right now that if you ever see my account "teleported", it's not me. I can't help what an untrusted third party website does, but rest assured I have nothing to do with it.

One must have access to your BTT profile to be able to teleport it. That's how it works  :D

Fair.

Any "admin" can make up anything they want.

What the fuck?

Here on Bitcointalk, and with all due respect to Poker Player, I can disagree with him about something and not have to worry about getting red trust over it. But over there people can tag you because they are offended that you didn't call them "your highness"? What a joke.

Some website owners have Google Analytics code on their website that counts traffic and many other useful data. Then these website owners connect their Google Analytics to similarweb.com and data acquired via this way is accurate but I highly doubt altcoinstalks or bitcointalk does that. So, when website owners don't connect their GA to similarweb, then the only way for similarweb to collect data is through 3rd parties that share and sell data to them and this can't be accurate, they aren't the result of analytics. So, it's just a brief estimation. If you sign in and out of the website for 10 times an hour a day, it won't count on similarweb if website's GA is not connected to them.

There are some like semrush, ahrefs and so on but all traffic estimation tools only give you a broad guesses unless the website has google analytics script put on page and connect it to similarweb or any other traffic estimator.

Well, that has to be the only reason why forum members decided to teleport (and/or register other) accounts there. They knew they could get paid by posting in the other forum and knew mixers would be paying the highest rates therefore they followed where another revenue stream went. I have not read any reason from members stating they went there (or want to go there) in order to improve the other forum with their contributions.

If a lack of "your highness" can destroy a reputation in that forum, just imagine what would happen to a reputation if you got on the wrong side of a group/gang/clique ;D

I've been there since 2021 (before mixers) ; perhaps I was one of the few that went to improve the forum rather than because mixer went there.  ;D

Instead of talking about bitcointalk forum after mixer ban, most of the people here started talking about other altt forum  ::)
I can understand criticism about payments and weird rules there, but let's not forget about evil IP that is not available in any other forum, asking people to pay Bitcoin to complete registration is only available on Bitcointalk forum.
Another thing about funds for servers and money for maintaining website, it's easy to criticize others when bitcointalk collected enough money from donations and ads to last a lifetime  8)
https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html

I disagree with you. I specifically said some alts are decent POW coins and I want to make up for the $5000 worth of BTC I had to refund to my prepaid mixer when bitcointalk ended mixers.

So at least one person is saying 2 reasons for being there.

1) to get my $5000 back
2) to support the handful of alt pow coins I like

I looked through the posts, you are right there is at least one person saying he has two reasons for registering there. I wish you success in getting $5000 from your activities in that forum. Is the intention of getting $5000 from that forum via signature campaigns? I presume your support of liked POW coins will not provide a revenue stream if the intent is to post in their threads.

That is what this thread has been about since the first post.


That actually serves a legitimate purpose: to prevent spammers & other rulebreakers from registering dozens of accounts at a time. It has nothing to do with collecting profits, unlike every fee on the other forum.


It is easy to criticize because it is so blatantly scammy.

It doesn't work like that, teleported people have a link to in their Bitcointalk profile that links to the Altcointalk profile. The Altcointalk admin can't log into your account here and put a link.


Not exactly from the first post, but rather from your first replies that insist on talking about how bad that forum is and how cool this one is.

You referenced it in your first post, and several respondents pointed out why that forum is bad to rebut your premise of there being a "danger of traffic transfer".

Nobody is going to stop posting here because of that forum.

Will discussion about specific mixers move from here to there? Possibly, but that's kind of the whole point of the mixer ban -- to discourage advertisement of mixers, whether it is direct, indirect or even accidental advertisement.

The admin can fake a LoyceV account there. The admin doesn’t have to follow his own rules. That’s what he meant.


Is he wrong thoe? That forum is a freakshow.

Your highness my ass

Here we can even neg trust the admin and he won’t go ape shit over it.

They even have a “crypto senate”. A crypto senate, a monarch, an admin goes to a bar…

Of course he is wrong, and what you say proves it. Instead of talking about what can happen in this forum, you are talking about how bad he is. Then we have those who have been teleported who argue that that forum has improved and will probably improve further thanks to the teleported memebers. I wanted to talk about the effect here but once the thread was created I have no control over where the conversation is going.


The administrator can do whatever he wants there, but if the teleported accounts have a link in this forum and LoyceV's does not have it, it will be clear that the administrator has been cheating.

 

I don’t agree. That forum is not only bad, it runs on a ponzi scheme. The VIP members are the earlier ponzi participants and whenever a new sucker (monarch) joins and pays more than the sucker before, the prize pool gets bigger so are their profits.

If the reputable members of this forum want to be a part of this freak show, it is their choice…

Only if they pay for it ;)
Like I said in another topic:
The "admin" responded by blaming the messenger:

Many other websites can't even be reached on Tor. At least Bitcointalk gives "evil" IPs an option.

Well, that's the sad truth. I refuse to believe someone makes an account there for other reason than money. However, I don't believe the overwhelming majority in bitcointalk would voluntarily contribute to their fellow forum users either. Perhaps occasionally, but certainly not with the same eagerness and frequency.

Isn't there a list of users who can whitelist you for free?

That is precisely why no other forum can compete. When you have enough money to operate for years ahead, without ads, with paid moderation (even if not enough), even with a YouTube series, you can at least be the one with the aim to be as free as possible.

BlackHatCoiner it is sad to see you leave altcoinstalks, but you can teleport back whenever you want, we will always welcome you with open arms.

Allow me, if you may, give my 2 cents on this discussion.
1- What are forums ? Do forums have a fighting chance against the many centralized platforms ? In the past forums were the way to discuss a topic, now you have facebook groups, subreddit, discord and so on ...

2- What is the purpose of bitcointalk or other crypto forums ? Educating ? Ok, but there are now so many resources out there that are more user friendly and search engine friendly ... And better researched, concise ...

3- Making money is the reason 99% of people got in crypto, some invested, other joined bounty campaigns and some launched some crypto coins, yes a lot want to discuss crypto, but as stated in point 1, they now have a lot of alternatives.

4- Bitcointalk have enough money to last a lifetime, but Altcoinstalks will evolve with time, we will do everything required and needed to stay relevant in a highly changing world. We do not have the money but we have the will and determination to be of service to the crypto community.

5- We do not see Bitcointalk as the enemy,  anyone seeing Altcoinstalks as such, is narrowminded.

Forums are long surpassed by social media and messaging platforms like Discord in terms of traffic, and this is why I have stopped using forums. However, there are exceptions like this place where people can converse in a civilized and constructive manner. I just don't see this often in Reddit or Discord, and I definitely don't see it on Facebook groups. And I've noticed this myself; I just write more carefully in here.

Believe me, if I didn't have bitcointalk, I wouldn't have a chance to possess the knowledge that I do; at least not in such a short time span. You can go and search my history when I was a newbie; it might even look as if another person was writing at that time. Maybe being relatively young played a big role too, but I'm pretty confident that I'd be incapable of distinguishing the truth just by surfing the web.

Look. I'm not gonna be that romantic crypto-anarchist who confidently ignores the thousand percent profit of their bitcoin investment, and just shifts to "Ideology is more important" or whatever. Granted, most people I know (including myself) are into crypto for making money. Hell, the Proof-of-Work mechanism depends on people driven from profit.

However, there are, indeed, genuine parts of cryptocurrency that can radically change society if taken seriously, with the most important being detaching state intervention from money creation. And of course, being permissionless (which brings me back to why I got into Bitcoin), private, censorship-resistant, transparent, and always available for me. It would be unforgivable if we ignored the initial purpose that set stone to the concept of a cryptocurrency. And truth be told, 99.9% of the altcoins ignore these principles and exist solely for the financial gains.

Good for you, I just don't feel like I belong in an Internet board surrounded by what I'd make fun of in this place.

And if the admin fakes "LoyceV's account on bitcointalk, will he/she also be able to input the link to his altcoin account on his Bitcointalk profile? I guess that will be impossible, and as such that's how people will be able to know that the account created on the alternative site as been fake, since one criteria needed for the creation of a altcoin account is for such member to input his/her account link on his bitcointalk profile.


For me, I think how much time spent per each visit for the 10 times per hour will determine if it will count or not, because just as we know how the Youtube algorithm works, as for a video view to be counted as 1 view, it is required that such a video needs to be watch for at least 1 to 5 minutes and above, hence when it comes to website page visits, if only you can spend at least 1 to 5 minutes per each visits, then it will definitely count in the monthly statistical traffic result.

Without a shadow of doubt, the same principal applies to this forum because members here would vanish overnight if signature campaigns were ever to be banned. Almost every member here is posting because they get paid for it therefore if you take the pay away they will go elsewhere to get pay.

I suppose if theymos ever wanted to have this forum cleaned-up and have it taken back to a place where it was about newbies asking about Bitcoin on one hand and advanced members posting about core issues on the other, then he should ban signature campaigns but that decision is going to bring seismic and maybe unforeseen changes.

I think sig camps won't go away, but the mixer ban came screaming and with many warnings.

Before the forum-wide ban, a few mixers were seized by the police and they went down because they were laundering money for the terrorists. You can't take the risk of hosting these projects in your website. I am not sure if everybody fully understands the weight of this action. The other forum thinks they can do it... and the people who carry these signatures think, they can promote these projects without any consequences.

I hope none of them will find themselves in a position where they'll think "theymos was wise, I wish I stopped promoting mixers"

Here is the non-still picture you should be looking at. What's money when your ass sits in a jail cell?

At least in the case of BitMixList, if it comes to the point where mixers are completely outlawed worldwide, I can just take the site down.

The thing with mixers was that they were common targets. We can argue that casinos or exchanges could get seized for operating illegally sometimes as well, but it is an uncommon phenomenon, whereas mixers are in almost every nation considered unlicensed money transmitters. It is a matter of time until all are shut down, and that's the excuse for the precautionary measure, as I see it.

What we need to consider is where we're heading to in terms of legislature. If we start treating mixers as illicit entities, then it won't be late until every privacy solution is deemed as illicit. Whirlpool? Tagged as money transmitting service. Joinmarket? Tagged as money transmitting and obfuscating protocol. Monero? The same.

Certainly stackoverflow and its subforums is one of the best forums in the internet.

I also like reddit. There are a tons of good places to share knowledge in the internet. As elon musk said, you can learn basically anything for free in the internet

first of all, please remove these images, you are not authorised and we do not wish this to be displayed outside of our forum, you are free to join and write whatever you want, but taking screenshots to criticise on another platform, that's a bit too much, don't you think ?

Second, btt have tons of money, to do whatever they want, we do not have enough money to execute our basic plans, and we want to do a lot, and growth and development requires a lot of money. Startups spend millions on growth and development... Also for the records, paying users are a rarity, almost all special ranks were granted in the early days of the forum ... back in 2017-18!

There are only few features that are paying, and these features are problematic and require close monitoring, hence they were rendered unavailable, but then much much later, they were made available for special ranks and donors ...
Not your business to decide how another forum should be run IMO.

Every feature in altt was well thought about ... It is not bitcointalk, it is an entirely different forum, you sould not expect exact same rules and modus opperendi.

You can go sex yourself. If you don't want to be screenshot, don't go public. Make it a private forum. I can criticize anything I see on the internet.


OK.


OK.

I don't understand lol

Altscointalk will become a better forum in future? Cool, we shall move there. Competition is what brings best to the customer.

Lol. So he wants to use Bitcointalk to promote his little forum, but doesn't want his money grabbing scam to be exposed.

They know that theymos will be the only one who will face problem, not directly them. Many people are ready and willing to let this forum dive down if it gives them time to milk some profit before that happens. There are rarely some people out there who really vote for privacy and the freedom of speech. If mixers were paying $20 or something like that, believe me, no one would ever complain.

That wont' happen to casinos because casinos are regulated with license and they ask for KYC data to their customers while mixers are not regulated, don't have any license and they don't ask for KYC, i.e. accept every kind of transaction. That's the difference, so, crypto casinos are in no danger.

In that case your list is going to be up and available for long time because mixers are not going anywhere. If the situation becomes completely untenable for mixers because of a concerted international effort by law enforcement agencies to ban them, then you will have to make the decision. You never know, in the future maybe mixers will end up being licenced on a country to country basis.

yep.  and screen tx that some pools ban.

btw that removes the single best feature of btc. the ability to move wealth from an oppressive government to a ‘free’

it is the end of btc as a safe wealth storage.

for instance all those old untouched addresses from 2009 to 2011 could get frozen and not allowed to send their coins simply because a government declares them abandoned funds.

We're not deciding anything (other than not using it). We're merely commenting on how bad it is. I get that you're trying to sell something, and you have to defend it at all costs, but... Please take a moment to consider that you're asking from us to censor ourselves... in another forum. Usually, a healthy business must accept judgment and feedback. You on the other hand, just want to strangle any negative opinion. That doesn't lead to a good reputation.

How... exactly? Censoring transactions is evidently not sustainable.

It is already happening. Just because they are doing it less, doesn't mean they won't do it more in the future.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5475157.0

I know, and I think I've commented my part on that thread. But, just because one does it, doesn't make it the rule. Pretty much the opposite; the rest will find incentive to be as censorship resistant as possible. When Wasabi started with the blacklisting, we weren't afraid if the rest of the solutions would start censoring. Instead, their competitors saw this as the chance to demonstrate how free of censorship they are.

The problem is if pools ever manage to reorg for the sake of censoring, which, as I had outlined there (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5475157.msg63224945#msg63224945), would be the day to abandon Bitcoin.

The pools can't go against the law enforcement. They are companies obliged to pay tax to the government. When the gov ask them to censor a certain transaction, they will obey it. Or else...

It is already over imo. We are on borrowed time. Mind that it doesn't mean bitcoin will go to zero. That's not what I mean if anyone is worried about that.

It was over the day when mining became a company play. Only home mining can fight censorship.

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Monero is an option and as I understand it, they can't go after the miners because the miners don't know what they are mining but they can go after the exchanges this time because they are also paying taxes and nearly all of them enforcing the KYC rules which kills the purpose of owning monero in the first place.

Pools are central point of failures, I get it. But, Bitcoin is decentralized. If a pool is commanded to censor a transaction, then it is a matter of time until another pool will mine it. Even if 99% of the hash rate belongs to pro-censorship pools, Bitcoin will still be censorship resistant, because 1 out of the 100 mined blocks will contain all the previously ignored / censored transactions.

If they are commanded to reorg, then that's when the shit hits the fan. I speculate that there is no financial benefit from such an action, and it is suicidal for the business, but I can't argue it is impossible to ever happen. It'd just be the very ending of Bitcoin as a censorship resistant form of money. (And maybe in general as money)

Which would be the point where people would start bypassing KYC and migrate to decentralized exchanges.

Needless to say that these are all bareless speculations of ours.

I'd say that would be the day to abandon pools ;)

In this scenario, it would be trivially easy for the 99% to ignore that one block in a hundred that included the transaction they don't want. It doesn't even cost them anything missing the block, since the difficulty will be based on their 99% of the hash rate instead of the full 100%. They'll make up for the missing block the next 2 weeks.

How are those decentralized exchanges gonna cash you out without knowing your name and IBAN? People who do these transactions will be targeted this time. When people move to dex, the volume will skyrocket there. I don’t think you can get in and out so easily when that happens.

Sure, but pools are an integral part of Bitcoin. If we experienced a 51% attack, which is either ignoring 1% of the blocks or replacing a chain that contains an OFAC sanctioned transaction, then I'd have lost trust on the integrity of the system. The whole concept relies on the theory that honest hash rate overthrows malicious. Double-spending is prevented under that assumption.

You will still trade normally by handing over your IBAN. If things become ever stricter than that, and they start freezing your bank account because of this, there is still cash.

For now. Cash is also on borrowed time. We should appreciate having cash while we still can.

From my bank's perspective, receiving money from different unknown IBAN accounts is much more questionable than receiving money from an established centralized exchange. The same with sending money.
Cash has different privacy problems.

The next step would be going back to barter: I give you Bitcoin if you buy me a new TV. It's not very convenient though.

You can't even call these "decentralized exchanges" if they possess something the government can attack and take it down. Decentralized means cannot be attacked or taken down.

Fiat cash? Perhaps. Cash in general can't just go extinct. Black market can't just go extinct. It simply can't.

I agree these solutions are far from ideal, but we've taken it to the extreme scenario that privacy coins are illegal, all non-KYC bitcoins are tainted and unacceptable, and banks will freeze your account the moment you receive money from a non-KYC exchange.

The exchange is decentralized, not the bank. The bank is controlled by the government.

Lol.

Well, I see the conversation has drifted to Bitcoin philosophy I would say: privacy, DEX, taint etc.  I'm not saying it's off topic, I just think it's a natural drift resulting from how the conversation has been flowing.

Back to the initial topic, I don't think that if for example I ran out of campaign here I would teleport there although you never know what may happen in the future. But as I keep an open mind, from time to time I will keep taking a look at what is going on over there, and at the moment two things catch my attention:

icopress has launched another mixer campaign there, and he seems to be dominating, as at the moment he manages four mixer campaigns, to Royse777's two AB's and julerz12's one. (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=314333.0)

Seven mixer campaigns, even if they pay less, are not bad at all, eh? It seems to me that the admin there must be rubbing his hands together.

According to a post by examplens on that forum (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=316443.msg1483456#msg1483456), altcoinstalk already had significant growth between last October and December. We'll have to see how things went at the beginning of the year, as I think the mixer campaigns started on January 1st (I haven't checked if they were all).

So it seems to me that they are very happy with the teleported members over there.

FIAT cash of course. What other cash is there? Would you call CBDC “cash”?  I wouldn’t.

Edit: ok maybe I would, but only till they find a more suitable name for that crap. Shitcoin suits better imo.

Not all, Tumbler launched two weeks earlier on December 16th, just a few days after it ended here. So it's safe to say they're the oldest active campaign over there.

There is no way to scrape the activity data right now unless one of the Ninjas here can assist. LoyceV has already counted himself out, so we are waiting for other Ninjas to assist with a scraper(bitmover and PX-Z has developed a notification bot). However, prior to the mixer ban, the ALT forum struggled to maintain 100-200 daily activity; currently, they average 3-4k daily activity. A big increase in less than four weeks.

The ALT forum is not coded in rock so we're likely going to see some changes overtime.

Yes, that's true Tumbler launched in month of December on that forum and after that other mixer campaigns also slowly started advertising on that forum.

A new mixer campaign which has never been part of Bitcoin has also launched their campaign on that forum recently. If I'm not wrong then they have launched their campaign from this week and that is managed by a superb campaign manager.

I think that forum is more like a haven to those services and I guess the users who still want to use those services will search for the decent ones on that forum from now on.

Even though I completely disagree with the ATT admin and consider him incompetent for running a big forum under that attitude, that was a pretty good marketing right there, and I give it to him. It was the best chance to attract campaign managers and a few honorable users as well.

No, I meant crypto. I do not believe we'll witness a significant period of time without cash. Black market cannot cease to operate overnight. If Bitcoin and Monero are not the universally accepted cash, then I believe people will still use fiat cash, even if they are not recognizable by the states.

I've never for once visited that forum in almost 2 years now, though I knew it at the same time that I joined Bitcointalk, as I was able to analyse and quickly know the most active and more promising one above the two which made me choose BTCt then. There is no how it will not be like this, once a means is stopped, they look for alternatives, I mean both ways(users and sponsors), so I expected a thing like this from the first day I knew that m!xers and others would be banned.

Needless to say, this is a free world, everyone is doing their business and once a channel is closed, they will find the opportunity to run through the others, and whether they advised here before the ban or not since it is not feasible again here to advertise, they will surely utilize the ones they currently know and where other competitors are advertising. You may even be shocked that some of the m!xing services you see are being owned by the same person, they are only coming out in different names. So it's easy to move there.

Probably not for long in most countries, unless we see some major changes everywhere.
Farmers are not protesting in so many European countries for no reason, they know what is coming and it's not only cash, it's land also and everything else.

Not really.
Bitcoin is decentralized but it can be attacked.
Something with less nodes is still decentralized but it can be taken down much easier.
You can even have decentralized governmental system that can be attacked and destroyed.

I continue with my task of "spying" so to speak, from a distance, of the other forum and it has caught my attention that the last people asking to be teleported, at least some of them, say that they are not allowed to post external links, like Lida93 and Lucius.

Does anyone know if there has been a ban on this? I understand this refers to the requirement that the altcoinstalk admin asked to post a link in the profile here linking to the Altcoinstalk profile. I imagine it helps with SEO. However, he has teleported those members, so if links to Altcoinstalk are banned from here he is going to teleport people anyway.

I think you're right that all those campaigns migrated to that platform because they can't promote their services on this forum anymore due to the ban. I'm not going to favor any of those services and I really don't know that if you're right or not because you said that most of the m!xing services are owned by the same person.

But, as far as I know then I think that those m!xers aren't owned by a single person, the reason I'm saying this is because if a single person owns a m!xing platform then he may try his best to promote that single platform by spending as much money on advertising as possible.

But in this case, all those platforms that migrated to that forum are spending money separately for advertising of their services on that forum and it won't be feasible for a single person to spend that much money on advertising of multiple services.

Sometime before now I had took the privilege of chronicling through the different phases of the bitcointalk forum and something I noticed was that at different phases gradually changes were made and this changes at each phase were propelled by the increasing traffic the forum was/is getting, take the merit system that was introduced for instance.

So as much as the days progresses and the managers of the altcointalk perceives the increased in traffic they have recently started receiving as those ban services have now found their way to altcoinstalk thereby attracting bitcointalk members who before now had no interest there teleporting their accounts there now. With this it shouldn't be a thing of surprise if we start observing certain little changes in the teleport process as the days go by and their traffic keeps growing from different angles.

The admin of Altcoinstalk, based on their rules, does not want any drama or anything of the sort. Therefore, I wonder if those members who caused a lot of drama here will be interested in transitioning over there. They might find themselves being constrained and restricted. It's a different platform for them, not their usual playground.

Can you please come out plainly with what you really referring to as the drama's because from what I have seen about those members teleporting over to the altcoinstalk forum these are members that have made respectful name and repute here in bitcointalk and am sure the admin of  altcointalk will be more than glad to have such members in their community to improve discussions.

Maybe I don't know, but I guess the drama you could be referring about is that of the banters and small exchange of talks between contradictory members that may have issues and decides to iron it out mostly in the reputation board, then mate you might be missing on the real deal because it's some of those kind of dramas that makes the forum colourful and lively.

Or except you are talking about something else I don't know. ???

It sounds like censorship: who decides what's "drama"? I'm so glad theymos doesn't care and allows freedom, which is especially important when it's controversial.

That's why the admin told me:


Yeah like I would want to join a forum like that.

Join and create a topic there, talk about all the shit show going on and then what?

Get tarred and feathered, lose your rank and reputation (which I is already below zero there I imagine), they laugh for a while and then get banned finally when they get bored.

Am I free to join and write whatever I want? He wouldn't let me write whatever I want here if he had the chance.

Who teh fuck is he fooling?

Does anybody think, a guy who forces their users to call some ponzi participant "Your Highness", would promote free speech? Weeee

Ah fuck pretty good post. Here is a merit or 2


ah loyce it is more censored and the ability to have genuine long dialogues is not yet there.

But if the bull comes and a few alts moon 🌖 it will likely grow more.

I am a bitcointalk guy Far more than an altcoinstalks guy.

But for now I will post 20 or more posts a week there .

I am 1 payment into the 100 payments I need to make up for the refund I gave to an un named mixer due to the mixer ban..  Just 99 weeks to go.

I'm not really up on all the drama happening, but it seems maybe the admin over at Altcoinstalk doesn't take well to any criticism of his site.

I don't have solid proof or anything, but I could see a controlling dude like that not caring too much about peoples right to free speech. Not a good look for someone running a public discussion platform.

There will be a point when they will be influenced, habit is powerful, once a bitcointalkers, always a bitcointalkers I don't think Bitcointalk guys will change their ways to be altcoinstalkers, they will extend their habits there.

Why not try a different signature campaign on the forum you actually like posting? There's more than just mixers to choose from.

That's interesting. He prefers to go to the other forum and join a mixer campaign there and get paid less, instead of joining a casino or some other campaign here and get paid more. If his only motivation is making more money, this forum still provides a better opportunity. Maybe he will join, later...

btw, binance is delisting monero and zcash

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5484277

This is off-topic but yeah that is definitely nuts. Its a major blow to the spirit of cryptocurrency in general. I understand they want to be in line with whoever's regulations, but still... Sad that this is what its come to. At least they are still available on Kraken and KuCoin. Bitfinex as well apparently. Down 24% now... seems like an overreaction.

No overreaction.

Check my link. They disabled xmr withdrawals. Binance is doing a major theft right now.

No I mean in terms of the negative price action. Could be a buying opportunity. I read your thread and don't understand the specifics but I will research them.

What good is it to buy xmr on binance if you can’t withdraw the coins?

Anyway, I just edited my OP on that thread, binance said the withdrawals will return…

As off-topic as it is, it is disappointing to read about the de-listing of any crypto that was being used by the community because of an actual function it provided (such as privacy) compared to many others that do not provide anything other than hype. Binance are doing what they are because of their owners wanting to remain on the right side of regulating bodies but the trade-off will affect many people. 

They're a CEX after all, of course Binance will want to stay in business, I don't think they're of interest if they keep on delaying or avoiding the regulations that's being imposed on them by the government, too bad that they do delisting of these privacy coins especially Monero but I do salute their stance about privacy and that they're never compromising, love that idea that there's still people in this world that will stand on principle and not worship money.

With the status of his account here and the amount he posts I'm sure he could broker a deal for his signature with one of the existing campaigns for $200 or even $300 per week.

That's what happens when you're making upwards of 100 posts per week.

Those exchanges are run by people (and organisations) that effectively have their own interests at heart therefore they re driven by what they see as beneficial to them and not to their customers. The US market is massive and Binance want to be part of it therefore to achieve regulated/official standard to be allowed to trade there without fear of fines and arrest, they would be happy to adhere to any requests or instructions from regulators.

I am unsure what the future holds for Monero and how it will navigate difficult times when more exchanges de-list it but as an example, the mixer ban in the forum probably had zero effect on mixers both in website visitor numbers and also the business turnover. The impact will be seen several months after Monero is de-listed.

100 posts per week? Dude lives in the USA, how does he manage to do that? I am kinda curious sometimes when I see people from rich countries posting here a lot, are most of you retired? If not, how do you manage to post and work at the same time? I personally work in a good company where I am not occupied 100% of the time and I manage to visit this forum and post sometimes, it's kinda entertaining and I get some new information while interacting with people. I prefer it over Reddit.

By the way @NotATether, I checked your post history and you are crazy dude (in a good sense). You posted 26 posts on 8 February, while 18 posts were posted in one hour timeframe. How can you check threads, analyze posts and then write new posts in one hour? That's roughly 1 post every 3 minutes and you are not a spammer though, you are an alien (NotAHuman).

He is an old timer/retired like you guessed.  Not everybody who makes a hundred post a week is like him. Most people who send that many posts are spammers/acc farmers.

I am also occupied during the day and my max post count/day is around 4-5. I can go as high as 10-15 if there is a hot discussion that takes my attention.

Currently, gambling signature campaigns are dominant on the forum. As far as I know, philipma1957 is not particularly active in that section and the casinos are not open to generous rewards per user. With the departure of mixers, high-payment campaigns have also gone.

I would agree with Loyce here, there are other campaigns through which he can compensate for the "loss", probably a better choice than waiting for some "super-rich" offer.

I think we all understand that coming from a particular country does not indicate citizens will be wealthy by default. If memory serves correct, he does live in the US and he is a miner that has various mining machines (but I hope I will be corrected if I am wrong).  I believe he is indeed retired and that is part of the reason he is making a prolific number of posts per day/week.

I suppose if forum members have spare time at work and are allowed to use the internet, they will post here and it will increase their post count. Having retirement makes it altogether a different scenario whether it is for here or Reddit.

Every forum has its so called "power users" are capable of dishing out those kind of numbers and for them being active on forum is sort of a hobby. I never wrote so many posts in a week, but I remember periods when I was spending unhealthy amount of time here (like 7-8 hours per day) despite having a full time job, wife etc. Those were my early days when I was having a lot of fun going through the old posts from forum OGs and reading interesting discussions.

I speak from memory but I would say that I once saw phillip say that he had problems with gambling in the past, probably that's why for him joining a gambling signature campaign is something that's not even on the table for him. And although there are other options, they are limited, although he should not have any problem to be hired. He is the human with the most posts in the forum (the first is ChartBuddy), which is attractive in terms of SEO, and the second most recognized.


Well me recognizing that NotATether is a good forum member and a high quality poster in general I have complained to him a few times that he had not read before replying in some of my threads, and with what you say I am not surprised. If he writes 18 posts in an hour it's because he doesn't analyze much in some of the threads at least.

Unfortunately, I must confess that I am also an artificial intelligence.  O0

He certainly has been active (or shall I say even overactive) in the forum on an extremely regular basis. Quite clearly the forum plays a very important role in his day to day life and at his age with retirement (and with that probably a lot of time on his hands) it is understandable.

If it brings in a regular income from a source that is acceptable to him and he can decide to not use other sources for personal reasons (such as gambling websites) then that is something he has to contend with but if he can square that off with a personal bespoke signature campaign and earn significantly more than what others enrolled in the signature campaign do, then good for him.

If he (or anyone else is) in that position, the post count and recognised status should be leveraged to negotiate a bespoke signature campaign deal but as you said with gambling website dominating the signature campaign space they will be ignored if they are off the table for him.

Being an AI must have advantages. Is that how you found a solution very fast when Hostinger blocked your mixers list website. You wasted zero time in relocating it  ;D

Nah I am giving my signature to talkimg for free here.

And I just got my second payment on altcointalk.

I have 102 back of the 4000 usd plus that I lost due to the mixer ban.

Just another 98 weeks to go.

I like giving my signature away for free here to talkimg.  it is a good service for bitcointalk.

This never was about the money as I state clearly "we as humans have a right to privacy."

the effect i have noticed is this:

when people had mixer avatars and footers.. alot of their posts were always aimed at privacy, where they would then mention a mixer..
now when i see the same people with betting avatars/footers. their conversations are now gambling related...
when people are using/paid by the merit cycle troll meme.. their posts become more trollish

seems money decides their mindset

Well, just as most of us wanted that those campaigns were not banned but the forum admins have to save the forum first. Just as we say that we have lost that much because of the ban, theymos also wouldn't want to continue and risk the forum. Everyone cares for themselves first and it sometimes turn out to be overall good for the community.


Well, you may take it in a different way as when you are in a gambling campaign, it is required that you post mostly in the gambling section. Similarly, if you are in the mixer campaign, they would not want the majority of the posts to be in the gambling section. It can just be that when a person is marketing gambling, he will mostly tell his thoughts about the gambling and when the person is in the mixer campaign, his mostly conversion would be relevant to privacy and such stuff. (He can have knowledge of both gambling and privacy/mixers and it's just the execution depends upon what he is marketing)

exactly .  I won't do a gambling one .

I give this signature away to talk.img

I was sending him 0.001 a month from my mixers fees but I do not have that much spare btc so I gave him my signature for free.

I also kept an avatar that makes a general reference to privacy.


I make funds on altcoinstalks 5x slower than I did here. so i need around 25-30 months of posting their to cover my funds lost.

and I do not hold theymos wrong to do what he did.

I would not go to jail to run mixer campaigns.

I would not kill off bitcointalk for the sake of keeping mixers.

If you don’t enjoy gambling that makes sense. As far as your predicament goes though, you’d have your self-debt paid off in a few months rather than a couple years and wouldn’t have to post on a site you don’t care about.

Another option… Why not shill here for jambler? That’s basically the same as shilling for mixers under the guise of privacy and you can still do it here for money for some reason (which makes no sense).

Lol...Money controls the most minds, it's only a few minds that can resist that. This goes with the integrity of the person and the core values they stand and live for, which can never be changed or bought by money. I noticed so many fake behaviours on the forum, and what happened during the M!xer ban fully shows that people are not often what they claim they are, not even the most reputable ones. Some are still only privileged for now.

It's all about the money even when they pretend to be something else. The changes will continue to unveil more drama (hidden and obvious).

lucky that i discovered bitcoin early and made my early retirement funds by just using my own investments. i never needed to become a sell-out

i see some people play to the narratives of those that fed them (misinformation, snake oil promotions, lies, scams, schemes or funding) and then they are stuck later on continuing to play the roll because it has become their identity they have to now live inside..  even when the rolls of money stop coming towards them

there are some where they do change their narrative when a new business category becomes advertised in their avatar and footnotes. but thats then just the comedy of showing how much of a empty shill/shell they became when they shift priorities based on funding

i seen some recent.. previously of the privacy persuasion when advertising mixers.. now on the get rich get famous gambling persuasion..
pure comedy

I like your thoughts franky but its a bit ironic that you accept in the outset about having made bank through bitcoin to begin with.

Most people doing the advertising or looking to do it hardly care about gambling or mixer privacy or any of the shitcoins that used to get advertised in 2017-20 when altcoins first started being a thing. Everyone does it for the extra cash and more importantly, the easy bitcoin DCA.

It is indeed a luxury in today's precipitous world to know that your future is secure because of good decisions or fortunate co-incidences of the past. At the end of the day, everyone is looking for the "fuck you" stack, or in your case, "frank you" stack. Let them be.

Well, suchmoon had...

74 posts in December
29 posts in January
10 posts in February
4 posts in March

...so I would say that the mixer ban has had a positive effect on reducing activity among shitposters who only participate here for money.  In the case of suchmoon, we're talking nearly a 95% reduction in 90 days after the ban!  That's an absolutely amazing development.  I hope we see this continue and spread to other shitposters as well who provide nothing for this forum but drama while leeching funds from the community that could go towards supporting creators of goods and services.  

If you needed evidence that the mixer ban has already improved the community.  Here it is.

No, actually now we have more proof of how dumb you are and the bullshit you say.

In 2023 suchmoon wrote

8 posts in April 2023
25 posts in June 2023
0 posts in May 2023
10 posts in July 2023

Calls me dumb, thinks it goes April, June, May, July...

You could have just said you're focusing on shitposting under your alt accounts for signature money now that you can't launder your earnings.

Yes I call you dumb because every now and then I see you saying bullshit in the threads as in this case and when they are dismantled you either disappear without answering or you answer with an even bigger bullshit as in this case.

On the other hand this is not the place to discuss my supposed need for money laundering and my supposed alts.

OgNasty, of course, saying bullshit. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5491254.new#new)

Hey now, I made a lot of money as a stripper. People would pay large amounts for me to put my clothes back on :-)

Anyway, just saw this thread pop up and have to say I took a look at the altcoin form and *IF* you are into alts I don't think it's a bad place to hang out.
I am not that into them although I do use and trade, but for me alts are just a tool to get something done.

However, there is the other side of it which is, how many people did not even KNOW about the other forum until the mixer ban and it being discussed. I KNEW about it but never went there. Now I have been there a few times to see if I could find some info that I could not find here. That is where I see the other forum gaining active members from those that now see it as a viable place since it is growing they may go there more and cause even more growth.

-Dave

Not entirely true, IMO. His activity isn't tied to the mixer ban. In fact, most of last year even before the mixer ban, he was on and off according to my observation. I remember he used to also be a very huge merit source as well, but over the last couple of years, that activity also dropped.  Maybe he now has a lot of stuff happening outside the forum. You can never know.

Of course, suchmoon has been an irregular poster and the supposed pattern that Og has seen has nothing to do with the mixer ban, as he had months and seasons that he wrote less before, as could be seen in the months I have referred to in 2023 but that is seen by anyone except Og.

Just as a follow up to my last post. I am at this moment in a campaign that pays well. Before the ban I was in a different one that paid better.
My post count has dropped. But it has nothing to do with the pay. Since the start of the year I have:

1) Had to do an office move

2) While trying to clean up more stuff. I fell WAY behind on this project: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5455887 [I have sold more things in eBay in the last 60 days then I did in all of 2023]

3) A few other clean up projects that sucked hours out of my life.

So as they say correlation does not imply causation.

-Dave

We are talking about the effects of the mixer ban on the forum, they mainly look at signatures, paid posts and whether someone has written more or less before.

But what about the actual effect of the mixer ban and reduced discussions about mixers?

Here is an example https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5491818.0 One guy registered to report a potential scam from a well-known mixer here.
A few days ago, information appeared about a problem with this service, so the question arose as to why this user did not do research first. But where should he do research? on a forum where the presence of mixers is prohibited?
Just a couple of months earlier, there would have been much clearer warnings.

Of course, Bitcointalk cannot cover all cases, but it has certainly lost part of its importance as a relevant source of information, due to the exclusion of the mixer.

A few months or years from now, when most of the legitimate mixers have stopped business or shutdown. It's going to be so hard for an average user to discover and trustworthy mixer through honest reviews that have been a common thing on Bitcointalk. Scammers are going to take advantage of the void left by the forum to create fake reviews that list their scam sites.

Maybe Reddit could try, but altcointalks doesn't even appear in the first pages of most search results.

You can help with that by adding backlinks to BitMixList on your site, to anyone whose reading this not specifically you.

Right now I am languishing somewhere on page 2 or 3 on Google Search results and its not pretty.

I have figured out a long time ago that paying people for backlinks is a waste of time (and money), so this thing is going to have to grow organically.

If you guys can do that, well, there is a huge table of trustworthy mixers on the front page, so I don't see anyone getting scammed by phishing sites anymore when they type "best bitcoin mixer" or something like that.

I couldn't agree with you because I didn't think you were right. You said paying for backlinks to rank sites was a waste of time and wrong.
Good quality backlinks are on the first page of site results and look very good. If you go to a good SEO expert, he will give you a good direction for your site. Either way, your site will rank on Google and stay on the first page.
There are many categories of backlinks. If you can get backlinks organically, those links will be stubbled for a long time.

I am also sharing 2-1 sites I have worked on that are still in good standing. Submitting backlinks in multiple ways will undoubtedly save you money and time.

1: https://www.aaxel.ca/
2: https://www.crossroadshelpline.com/
I have worked on these myself on the site, and they are still in good position. The backlinks to these sites that I took myself have worked very well.
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/04/10/jXzrq.jpeg

It's not like bitcointalk forum was our only source of knowledge about mixers, so nothing much will change, and we can still warn people about suspicious mixers here.

There are a couple of websites that collect and list all bitcoin resources in a single website, something like crypto register.
I think it would be useful to get BitMixList listed there, and in other crypto forums.
Another idea is to create a free BitMixList signature campaigns, that is not against the rules I think ;)

It is quite hard to convince people to backlink to me on social media.

Also I don't have thousands of dollars to spend on SEO... I am working within a budget. Likely that is the minimum amount you need to even get a decent DA these days. Even the mixers themselves used to pay Yahoo News for a sponsored article.


I suck at designing signatures myself so I would have to shell out a few hundred to jayce if I want to make another set of signatures. :)

So how did you end up teleporting there (https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=178480.msg1515907#msg1515907)? You didn't seem to think very highly of that forum at first, from what you said in this very thread. I imagine you got a good deal on your signature.

You might want to talk with members who already have or had similar free signature campaigns in forum.
I don't think it's that much expensive to make simple signature and there are also members who can do this job for free, since you don't need anything complicated or fancy with many elements.

Anyone who writes content that is supposed to get a high rank on Google knows there is on-page and off-page optimization. Your on-page content has to answer the questions that led visitors to your site. Off-page optimization is backlinks and guest posts. I have heard of companies spending tens of thousands of dollars per month on backlinks. I would say they are absolutely necessary if you are creating content in an industry where it's very difficult to get organic backlinks. They can also backfire horribly and make Google punish your site and restrict it from appearing in search results if their algorithms conclude you paid for those links.

It is hard to climb up in Google searches, and it certainly takes time and some effort adding all stuff google requires.

I made a quick check a few months ago and saw you were doing most of basic SEO stuff already...

I was able to climb relatively high in some google searches in my domain, specifically in terms  "multiple address balances" and some stuff like that. But it takes time. My domain is already 4y old... I have thousands of Blacklinks from bitcointalk, some from mozzilla, github and even small news qebsite,... you will get some as the year passes..

Taking a look at the other forum, I see that there are a couple of mixer campaigns that have been "paused" but it looks like they are over for good. It seems that the pressure from the authorities is having an effect and that theymos was on the right track with this issue.

I think that's the reasonable approach, it's the FBI that's on the tail of these mixers after all and I don't think that any campaign manager on their right mind would probably keep a campaign that's basically hot and dangerous lest they want to risk becoming a part of the investigation, might even become an accomplice because they willingly continued the promotion of those mixers just because there's money in it and it would be easily proven since there's evidences. It's a relief that there's not a lot of these campaign managers that decided to tempt fate and play games with the FBI because you can only imagine the headache that would be on other users.

Campaign managers don’t seem to care at all. Many campaign managers that are active here are also active in the shitcointalk forum and they only manage mixer campaigns there as far as I know since no other business (exchanges and casinos) use that forum for advertising.

It is like they think they can get away with it after all that happened and I can’t really blame them because money is worth fighting sometimes. Sometimes it pays to take risks. Sometimes you can really get away with it.

I am not saying these managers will or should get punished for promoting mixers but getting a call from the police is more than enough of a punishment most of the time. I just don’t want to see any government official’s face or their voice. It gives me goosebumps.