Use of AI on Bitcoin talk

[Tmoonz]

It is an important saying that what ever have an advantage also have a disadvantage, it not ethical using AI to generate a forum post, it makes the human brain less functions by lowering productivity and creativity. AI should only be a quide and to completely rely on , one of it's disadvantage is that it works only with existing ideas and not a new idea, information from AI should not be use without contrasting it to you own language.

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[Silver005]

Well the rules are very ok because it help us to be able to write very well in English,than to use AI because by using AI it just like someone who is doing expo in the classroom and it will not help us anywhere if we continue to use AI,but when you do your best with your brain it's preferable even though you sentence is not long enough,but at least the little that you were able to put down is commendable more than the good write up you have stolen from the AI..

Again please is there any moderator who can monitor all this,and be able to identify this AI write up and finish them out or how did get the find out who uses AI write?

[nutildah]

Well the rules are very ok because it help us to be able to write very well in English,than to use AI because by using AI it just like someone who is doing expo in the classroom and it will not help us anywhere if we continue to use AI,but when you do your best with your brain it's preferable even though you sentence is not long enough,but at least the little that you were able to put down is commendable more than the good write up you have stolen from the AI..

Again please is there any moderator who can monitor all this,and be able to identify this AI write up and finish them out or how did get the find out who uses AI write?

Its not that you're using AI to correct your words (which you shouldn't do anyway), its that you're using it to generate entire thoughts for you. You're telling me that you actually know a way to bridge out bitcoin testnet to bitcoin signet? These are not your words:

Yes, it is possible to bridge out from Bitcoin Testnet to Bitcoin Signet. There are a few different ways to do this, but the most common is to use a bridge contract. A bridge contract is a smart contract that allows you to convert your Testnet bitcoins into Signet bitcoins. To use a bridge contract, you'll need to have a wallet that supports both Testnet and Signet, such as the Metamask wallet. Once you have your wallet set up, you can then use the bridge contract to transfer your Testnet bitcoins to Signet. The process is fairly straightforward, but it's important to follow the instructions carefully to ensure the transfer is successfully..
 Once you've bridged out your bitcoins, you'll be able to use them on the Signet network. It's important to note that while you can bridge out from Testnet to Signet, you cannot bridge back from Signet to Testnet. Additionally, you should be aware that Signet is still in beta, and there may be some bugs or issues that arise. Overall, bridging out from Testnet to Signet is a relatively simple process, but it's always a good idea to proceed with caution when dealing with cryptocurrency.

Copyleaks: AI content detected
Hive: 100% likely to be AI generated
Sapling.ai: 100% fake

In addition to this being entirely AI generated, it contains false information. You shouldn't be posting in this section at all. At least 9 of your posts written this month are AI generated, even though you were warned about that 4 times between Nov and Jan. If you don't want your posts deleted, stop using AI.

[FatFork]

Again please is there any moderator who can monitor all this,and be able to identify this AI write up and finish them out or how did get the find out who uses AI write?

You already have about one in seven of your posts deleted by moderators – that's more than 14% of your total posts.  If you continue on this path, you'll likely get banned from the BitcoinTalk forum.


Edit: According to BPIP.org, profile has been Autobanned

[Mrbluntzy]

Now my confusion is Although the forum says not to use AI content does that mean that paraphrasing with AI is allowed?

There is a difference between using AI-generated text to make posts on the forum and using tools like QuillBot, Grammarly, and many other online English tools to enhance your writing skills.
 
All the tools is helping you to do is put your grammar in writing sense and not ask the AI to write for you.

And another form of paraphrasing that is not allowed in the forum is when you copy someone else's work, which is also considered plagiarism, and use AI to paraphrase it into something else. Such use of AI is abusing and trying to outsmart people, but in the area of grammar and sentence correction, I consider it useful.

The clarification which you were expecting have been made known to you by Nwada001 and it might be the right time to lock the thread to prevent trolls and spammers feeding here. Really, my English is not too furnished but since no body had complained, it means I am writing what  anybody can still be able to read and understand. I don't know how to use any tool to make my English better unless I have to practice how to do so with the tools that Nwada001 listed. Thanks Nwada001.

[Gladitorcomeback]

It is an important saying that what ever have an advantage also have a disadvantage, it not ethical using AI to generate a forum post, it makes the human brain less functions by lowering productivity and creativity. AI should only be a quide and to completely rely on , one of it's disadvantage is that it works only with existing ideas and not a new idea, information from AI should not be use without contrasting it to you own language.

AI is very good tool and have a various advantage but problem here is people misusing it. This forum is for sharing own idea, information and opinions and generating AI post and then just paste it here making no sense here especially when you are wearing signature and receiving payment then it is more worst. I have checked users posts and most of AI posters just want to rank up or spamming for signature posts. If we use this tool positively then there is no strict rules for example I used two or three times when I was getting error in table bb code. Chatgpt mark the mistake I done in the code.

[Kavelj22]

I am of the following opinion: if a person needs to use an AI tool to interact on a forum, they seriously need medical help, as they must have serious mental problems to not be able to interact with another human being.

The person who may use these methods to produce publications may be proficient English language and able to communicate. Using artificial intelligence can also save time. Interacting with others requires time to read their posts, while when using AI, five posts can be produced in a few minutes.

As for posting on the forum, this cannot be considered an ethical act or beneficial to users. The forum administration does not need to set rules regarding this because it could be considered spam and the account will be banned. At the same time, I do not support the effectiveness of fraud detection applications because they are still inaccurate to use in judging any suspicious content.

[JollyGood]

Again please is there any moderator who can monitor all this,and be able to identify this AI write up and finish them out or how did get the find out who uses AI write?

You already have about one in seven of your posts deleted by moderators – that's more than 14% of your total posts.  If you continue on this path, you'll likely get banned from the BitcoinTalk forum.


Edit: According to BPIP.org, profile has been Autobanned

It seems just as you were giving him some advice about posting he was banned, at least you tried to guide him but the inevitability eventually caught up with him.

AI is very good tool and have a various advantage but problem here is people misusing it. This forum is for sharing own idea, information and opinions and generating AI post and then just paste it here making no sense here especially when you are wearing signature and receiving payment then it is more worst. I have checked users posts and most of AI posters just want to rank up or spamming for signature posts. If we use this tool positively then there is no strict rules for example I used two or three times when I was getting error in table bb code. Chatgpt mark the mistake I done in the code.

I would have to agree. AI is being used in many formats across many different industries that are mostly going reap rewards of innovation. Granted there will be aspects to frown upon such as the obvious loss of jobs to AI but it is more-or-less being used for positive purposes in general. As you correctly cited, when it used for signature spamming it causes issues especially if the post contains incoherent ramblings or off-topic nonsense.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

It is an important saying that what ever have an advantage also have a disadvantage, it not ethical using AI to generate a forum post, it makes the human brain less functions by lowering productivity and creativity. AI should only be a quide and to completely rely on , one of it's disadvantage is that it works only with existing ideas and not a new idea, information from AI should not be use without contrasting it to you own language.

If I didn't know better (and I don't), I'd say the above post was AI-generated since it's totally generic and either comes from the mind of a simpleton shitposter or Tmoonz had some sort of "help" in the writing of it.  

I keep hearing that AI is getting better and better by the day and that pretty soon any online writing job--like blogging, journalism, etc.--is going to be done by AI.  That's fucking frightening to me.  And considering how many people participate in sig campaigns here and who, before AI was around, put in the least amount of effort possible, I have to think a lot of them are now just using programs to make posts that seem on-topic for any given thread and go undetected by members who happen to read them.

Technology is not going to make this forum better, I tell you.  Not even if that New Forum Software ever gets released--and that's a big LOL right there.

Edit: According to BPIP.org, profile has been Autobanned

OK, but was that because of his use of AI or for some other reason?

[MFahad]

I have checked users posts and most of AI posters just want to rank up or spamming for signature posts.

I have seen a lot of high-ranked members constantly posting AI-generated posts and their posts are always identical and you can see that they aren't written by a human, what's worst is that they don't even edit them and you can sometimes find sentences and words that give it away that they are using an AI language model to generate those posts.
I wonder how difficult they find it to write posts themselves that they do this, I mean, if you have nothing to contribute, just don't make posts at all, but then again, they need to earn money from here. Signature campaign managers need to up their game identifying and catching AI users.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I have seen a lot of high-ranked members constantly posting AI-generated posts and their posts are always identical and you can see that they aren't written by a human, what's worst is that they don't even edit them and you can sometimes find sentences and words that give it away that they are using an AI language model to generate those posts.
I wonder how difficult they find it to write posts themselves that they do this, I mean, if you have nothing to contribute, just don't make posts at all, but then again, they need to earn money from here. Signature campaign managers need to up their game identifying and catching AI users.

Don't you know about the existence of a thread where you can report such posts? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.0
I wouldn't be so confident in saying that many high-ranking members are now using AI tools to write posts. Therefore, as an example, please show some examples.
Although the forum has not created clear rules for the use of AI tools for writing posts, such behavior is highly condemned.

[nutildah]

Technology is not going to make this forum better, I tell you.  Not even if that New Forum Software ever gets released--and that's a big LOL right there.

I'm in 100% agreement with this statement. Its the people, the personalities, the ideas & the educators that make this forum what it is. Also the trolls & the smart-asses, but technology won't make them better either.

Edit: According to BPIP.org, profile has been Autobanned

OK, but was that because of his use of AI or for some other reason?

From what I understand, the strict interpretation is they were banned for spamming. A less strict interpretation would be they were banned for AI spam, and the least strict would be they were banned for using AI. Between me & others in the AI Spam Report Reference Thread, they had about 30 "AI spam" reports marked as "Good". He had been warned continuously about it since November...

[JollyGood]

I have checked users posts and most of AI posters just want to rank up or spamming for signature posts.

I have seen a lot of high-ranked members constantly posting AI-generated posts and their posts are always identical and you can see that they aren't written by a human, what's worst is that they don't even edit them and you can sometimes find sentences and words that give it away that they are using an AI language model to generate those posts.

Now this is interesting.

What you stated seems to be the case without doubt for members who are simply trying to spam for their signatures or rank up but when you state you have seen AI constantly being used by several high ranked members I was unable to think of any name at all. If you will not name names, is it possible you can give an estimated number?

I wonder how difficult they find it to write posts themselves that they do this, I mean, if you have nothing to contribute, just don't make posts at all, but then again, they need to earn money from here. Signature campaign managers need to up their game identifying and catching AI users.

In some cases they probably do but that is when reported posts also help them.

[EarnOnVictor]

I have checked users posts and most of AI posters just want to rank up or spamming for signature posts.

I have seen a lot of high-ranked members constantly posting AI-generated posts and their posts are always identical and you can see that they aren't written by a human, what's worst is that they don't even edit them and you can sometimes find sentences and words that give it away that they are using an AI language model to generate those posts.
I wonder how difficult they find it to write posts themselves that they do this, I mean, if you have nothing to contribute, just don't make posts at all, but then again, they need to earn money from here. Signature campaign managers need to up their game identifying and catching AI users.

Lol...You are now overstressing things and I guess you and I are not in this same forum, because if we are, I would surely notice what you are alleging. Many high-ranked members can be writing garbage, and this is applicable to those with high merits, but for them to use AIs and still get to that feat undetected is not so feasible.

You may be right with a few though, I can't possibly know everyone and read all posts, but the overemphasizing it is what I do not buy. But if you are sure of this, then you should not keep silent. You should report it at the appropriate sections of the forum, especially if they violate the moral ways of using AIs on this forum. The issue is that there are no vivid spelt rules regarding the use of AIs here, yet there are some plain use of it that would violate the rules of the forum, especially the plagiarism aspect of it.

There is no way one can be using AIs without plagiarising if they do not edit it as alleged, so you can have a valid point if you point us to those posts for us to also judge.

[Ultegra134]

I have seen a lot of high-ranked members constantly posting AI-generated posts and their posts are always identical and you can see that they aren't written by a human, what's worst is that they don't even edit them and you can sometimes find sentences and words that give it away that they are using an AI language model to generate those posts.
I wonder how difficult they find it to write posts themselves that they do this, I mean, if you have nothing to contribute, just don't make posts at all, but then again, they need to earn money from here. Signature campaign managers need to up their game identifying and catching AI users.

Well, do you have something to contribute? Because to me, it sounds like you're simply trying to overexaggerate a situation that isn't as bad as you make it look while also increasing your post count for your excessive quota of 60 posts. I imagine it must be hard to reach such a high quota. I personally cannot think of me writing 60 posts per week and being constructive at the same time.

There's a thread to report AI usage, just like lovesmayfamilis told you, and if you're so downright that a large number of high-ranked members are using AI, then you would have known. It's highly possible that this statement is derived from your pure imagination. I've been on the lookout for AI content for quite some time now; the majority is newbies and generally newer accounts who attempt to appear knowledgeable. I've personally found only one Sr. Member and reported him.

So, if you have any evidence to back your statements, why didn't you make a report? A quick look around the forum, and you would have found the corresponding thread.

[AnonBitCoiner]

I do not support the effectiveness of fraud detection applications because they are still inaccurate to use in judging any suspicious content.

Services and online applications that provide AI detection that offer the service for free are barely trustworthy. 

Some of them might work sometimes but at times, they are inaccurate as you say. I say this because I have tried most of them with actual AI-generated texts and most of them aren't providing accurate results. The percentage they provide for the text to be AI-generated is very low whereas one can understand that the text is AI-generated just by reading through it.

[alani123]

There should be some framework to address AI posts.

The other day I reported a post reply that was clearly AI generated. For instance, when you put into ChatGPT a piece of text and say to it "write a response in similar words" it will just reshuffle the words and make a response that barely makes any sense, recycling all the input. It's a trash in trash out system after all.

So instead of at least providing some incentive to make such reports mods labeled them as bad... I almost never have my reports labeled as bad and I've made thousands of reports. So if mods treat reports against AI like this, then I think the forum is doomed to be flooded with AI messages, which mods are seemingly giving a greenlight too.

It's obvious even to me that many participants in signature campaigns have started using AI models for their thread responses, but very rarely are they called out about it and even if they are, signature campaign managers that pay them get no consequences...

[FatFork]

There should be some framework to address AI posts.

You can use the framework outlined in nutildah's 'AI Spam Report Reference Thread' for reporting AI spam.  In my experience, most reports that are submitted there and follow the guidelines tend to get addressed by the moderators.

[alani123]

In my experience, most reports that are submitted there and follow the guidelines tend to get addressed by the moderators.

That's a good thread and thanks for bringing it to my attention. However I'm very doubtful on what moderators expect to delete a post or thread response based on the AI accusation. Sometimes even for an AI system, there can be bad outputs (as I mentioned it being a trash in trash out system). I've reported obvious word salads that reshuffle words in the OP or from other responses at best adding a couple original words. Even those didn't get taken down.

Even in the aforementioned thread there's responses from over a week ago that came out as AI generated text with 98% certainty, and the mods still did not remove it.

Since mods are acting in this manned, not being strict or outright ignoring AI posts... I am wondering. Should there be more mobilization of users in that regard? Perhaps start giving neg trust to those abusing AI to make posts... Or we just don't care about it anymore?

[jokers10]

Even in the aforementioned thread there's responses from over a week ago that came out as AI generated text with 98% certainty, and the mods still did not remove it.

If you show that there are several posts of the same user which are detected by several reliable AI detectors, then there are over 95% probability that moderators will delete these posts. Probability of ban is yet tiny, but it also exists. And having a post with several examples of AI usage in that topic is a good reference for leaving a neutral tag about AI usage, what can be important for those who plan to take part in different campaigns.

It is not as effective as when we report plagiarism, but it gives some not so little result anyway. The more active AI posters are caught, the less motivated others are to use AI.