Suggestion payment for those new member on evil IP.

[Gokana.]

Ni Hao bitcoiners and bitcointalk members.

I'm had sign-up for exactly name : "Gokana" , unlucky my IP address is detected as evil IP.

So I decide to make new account follow dot at last character , look like cool for me and fine.

I know am new here, but I would like to given a suggest for make a new payment with bitcoin lighting or alt-crypto?

Since we are know lightning bitcoin is able to spend with small amount like a cent.

I believe If this forum able to accepting with lighting bitcoin or alt-crypto, make this forum environment going be better.

xièxie,
Gokana.

[Jawhead999]

IIRC the forum was once accepting Grin, but it's no longer accepted today.

Your suggestion has been discussed before [LN?] On-chain transaction fees are too high to pay for evil fees

Some people can be lucky to get free whitelisting too Remove Proxyban (evil fees) - email to get whitelisted for free

[Oshosondy]

I know am new here, but I would like to given a suggest for make a new payment with bitcoin lighting or alt-crypto?

Paying with altcoins can not be acceptable for paying for evil fee. Probably lightning network may be accepted one day but not now. What you can do is to go for what Jawhead999 said, to send email to one of the people that can whitelist your account for you. With it you will pay no fee at all.

Some people can be lucky to get free whitelisting too Remove Proxyban (evil fees) - email to get whitelisted for free

It is not that some people may be lucky. If he is new on this forum and the person that wants to whitelist his account think like that, they will whitelist his account for him.

Another suggestion is that some VPN can bypass paying the evil fee. If you register using the VPN. Not all VPN can do that.

[logfiles]

Another suggestion is that some VPN can bypass paying the evil fee.

I actually thought using VPNs (mostly cheap or free ones) and TOR when trying to register on to the forum can lead to higher chances of you ending up with a proxy ban. This is because most of the bad actors use VPNs and Tor to abuse the forum, so the IP addresses get blacklisted. The next time an innocent user uses, let say, the same VPN service with that free IP address to register, they get a proxy ban.

This issue happened to me when I attempted to register using Tor. The new account had a proxy ban and just gave up on it.

[hugeblack]

So I decide to make new account follow dot at last character , look like cool for me and fine.
I know am new here, but I would like to given a suggest for make a new payment with bitcoin lighting or alt-crypto?

If that username means a lot to you and you cannot pay the evil IP fees, then continue posting here for two weeks to a month and PM me. if I find you made a high quality posts and earned ~3 Merits, I will add your account to my white list and you will be able to post using that username without paying.

Frankly, the Lightning Network option may be good and better than altcoins.

[SamReomo]

Like everyone else has said that there's some possibility of accepting or adding lightning network for evil IP fees but allowing payments in altcoins is not going to happen. You have got a great offer from HugeBlack, you just need to be active on the forum and make some good quality and useful posts. He'll whitelist your IP address and then you don't need to pay any Evil IP fees.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

I know am new here, but I would like to given a suggest for make a new payment with bitcoin lighting or alt-crypto?

Here is bitcoin discussion platform purposely designed to engage all other bitcoiners around the world, it's unacceptable to leave our own coin aside and accept another one which is of low standard or value to Bitcoin in making payments when there's no issue in using bitcoin, altcoins may not be allowed, but the idea of lightning network may be a good idea anyway.

Since we are know lightning bitcoin is able to spend with small amount like a cent.

You think so right?

I believe If this forum able to accepting with lighting bitcoin or alt-crypto, make this forum environment going be better.

People don't have issues with the payment of evil fee here, we just want to make sure that miscreants were not allowed to freely abuse the forum by any chance, there are threads you could also apply for to get whitelisted, making payments is not also by any means affecting the forum growth.

[Pmalek]

Here is what I don't understand: you first registered with the Gokana username and were met with the evil IP issue. By that time, you knew what evil IP was and that your IP affects that metric, and how much of a "penalty fee" you would have to pay to fix it. Why then, if you wanted to use the Gokana account in the future, did you create a new account (Gokana.) and pay the evil fee for that one instead of your original account?

[Upgrade00]

Lightening network would have been a great option to add, and it makes lots of sense for a bicoin discussion forum to promote LN advancement globally, but I personally do not think the target audience would be as savvy in using LN, if it comes with a guide on how to make payments through channels it can increase usage, but majority would freak out and think this forum is a scam.

[Sandra_hakeem]

Some people can be lucky to get free whitelisting too Remove Proxyban (evil fees) - email to get whitelisted for free

Alot of people get whitelisted for free... Does anyone need to be lucky? I didn't get that..

I know am new here, but I would like to given a suggest for make a new payment with bitcoin lighting or alt-crypto?

fine... I was able to read what you wrote but I'm not gonna say I understood you, honestly. Are you trying to like create an awareness on Bitcoin lightning network to us? Or are you an altcoincer that feels an option for bTC lightning should be created on the payment schedule for whitelisting??..

Why then, if you wanted to use the Gokana account in the future, did you create a new account (Gokana.) and pay the evil fee for that one instead of your original account?

what's the idea in creating an account with the same username - having a dot as the only difference - just to get one whitelisted?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[hugeblack]

Why then, if you wanted to use the Gokana account in the future, did you create a new account (Gokana.) and pay the evil fee for that one instead of your original account?

This can be done without paying a fee by using a clean IP address. He may have used Tor for Gokana and clean IP address for Gokana.

[Oshosondy]

This can be done without paying a fee by using a clean IP address. He may have used Tor for Gokana and clean IP address for Gokana.

There are also some VPN that are working. Those that spam on this forum that got banned are not using all the VPNs while some will work for awhile before not working again because of the spammers that moderators continue to ban but using the VPN to open new accounts. Also the use of clean IP will be good, but this is difficult because the user is not from a country with clean IP address. If he has a friend in countries like UK, Ukraine and other well developed countries, the friend can help him create one by giving him an email address to use for it. But I use VPN for newbies that registered through me that are my friends and it works.

[Pmalek]

This can be done without paying a fee by using a clean IP address. He may have used Tor for Gokana and clean IP address for Gokana.

Yes, you are right about that. I honestly didn't consider it. I was thinking that if OP had reasons to use a VPN or TOR to mask their original IP while creating one account, they would try something similar the second time as well because they don't want to disclose their real IP to the forum. Perhaps when OP comes back, they can explain properly how they went about doing it.

[Davidvictorson]

to send email to one of the people that can whitelist your account for you. With it you will pay no fee at all.

It is easier for newbies to bypass the payment for evil IP using a clean IP address than it is to get the email address of a reputable member on the forum to appeal to them to whitelist your account since most of the users on the forum have their email set to hidden for privacy and security reasons.

Any way this could also be done is to have a friend who has been registered on the forum talk to those who are capable of doing whitelist, whitelist the account. I don't how possible this is but it can still be done. 

[Oshosondy]

It is easier for newbies to bypass the payment for evil IP using a clean IP address than it is to get the email address of a reputable member on the forum to appeal to them to whitelist your account since most of the users on the forum have their email set to hidden for privacy and security reasons.

No, you are not getting it right. The email users that can whitelist are using on this forum is different from the email they use for whitelisting. Any new registered person that is not able to post can see a link to the emails of those that can whitelist. To whitelist is not as hard as some people thought.

[KingsDen]

So I decide to make new account follow dot at last character , look like cool for me and fine.
I know am new here, but I would like to given a suggest for make a new payment with bitcoin lighting or alt-crypto?

If that username means a lot to you and you cannot pay the evil IP fees, then continue posting here for two weeks to a month and PM me. if I find you made a high quality posts and earned ~3 Merits, I will add your account to my white list and you will be able to post using that username without paying.

Very nice offer Huge.
The essence of allowing the Op to make high quality posts and earn atleast 3 merits is to ensure that OP is not a random spammer. I believe OP can beat this challenge and maybe get help from others to enjoy your offer. What then happens if the former username is whitelisted. OP will end up having 2 accounts and the later username could be likely more important than the former because it will have merits. Maybe as a merit source, you will have a way to compensate him in the former account.

Here is what I don't understand: you first registered with the Gokana username and were met with the evil IP issue. By that time, you knew what evil IP was and that your IP affects that metric, and how much of a "penalty fee" you would have to pay to fix it. Why then, if you wanted to use the Gokana account in the future, did you create a new account (Gokana.) and pay the evil fee for that one instead of your original account?

The user became wiser to understand that he could use a clean IP to register to evade the evil fee and later return to his evil IP.

@upgrade00, even with on the bitcoin payment available, many newbies will see it as a scam. Imagine where you haven't been before and you are asked to pay to atone an evil you did not commit.
I thought that theymos has given LoyceV, Upgrade, hugeblack and others the authority to whitelist people and has included same in the welcome message. OP could have toed that lane.

[hugeblack]

but I personally do not think the target audience would be as savvy in using LN, if it comes with a guide you n how to make payments through channels it can increase usage, but majority would freak out and think this forum is a scam.

@upgrade00, even with on the bitcoin payment available, many newbies will see it as a scam. Imagine where you haven't been before and you are asked to pay to atone an evil you did not commit.

I completely agree, especially since Bitcoin fees are high, The amount is very small and the forum does not benefit from it.
I do not know if there are alternative solutions, but according to what is available now, we will try to help as much as possible.

[Upgrade00]

@upgrade00, even with on the bitcoin payment available, many newbies will see it as a scam. Imagine where you haven't been before and you are asked to pay to atone an evil you did not commit.

Certainly. I'm certain most of the members who stumble on the forum without any guidance from an already registered member will abandon it once they see a big red banner telling them they have been banned and need to pay a token to get unbanned, no matter how small that token is.

I thought that theymos has given LoyceV, Upgrade, hugeblack and others the authority to whitelist people and has included same in the welcome message. OP could have toed that lane.

Most of the members who use that option are ban evaders (this of course is down to personal perception),  so we still are not getting through to target audience.

I do not know if there are alternative solutions, but according to what is available now, we will try to help as much as possible.

Discontinuing the evil fee penalty all together is a solution. It is long overdue and has not had the desired effects to prevents account farming and ban evasions.

[Pmalek]

It is easier for newbies to bypass the payment for evil IP using a clean IP address than it is to get the email address of a reputable member on the forum to appeal to them to whitelist your account since most of the users on the forum have their email set to hidden for privacy and security reasons.

Several trusted users of Bitcointalk have the power to whitelist newbies who have been affected by the Evil IP bans. The email addresses to contact them are public. Unless something has changed, LoyceV is one of them. Others include SFR10, Welsh, hugeblack, Upgrade00, and maybe some others.

You can find more information about the whitelisting process on LoyceV's thread: Remove Proxyban (evil fees) - email to get whitelisted for free

[Upgrade00]

Unless something has changed, LoyceV is one of them. Others include SFR10, Welsh, hugeblack, Upgrade00, and maybe some others.

That's correct. AFAIK, all mods can also whitelist users, but they do not have a puvlucly available email where proxybanned members can reach out to them to request a whitelist.
Welsh is a mod so should always have had the ability to whitelist since they were appointed.