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January 29, 2024, 05:16:09 PM
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This is a nice speculation that is backed by data. Though I don't care that much currently as I'm focusing on accumulating as much crypto as I can. I just think that it's better to focus on gaining some seeds now to sell on the bull market than spending huge amount of time on making wild speculation. I'll let people like LadyofCrypto1 do her thing in giving us information like this, I'm ok with a secondhand knowledge.

Maybe I'll comeback in this thread on the next few months if I can feel a very bullish action from bitcoin.
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January 30, 2024, 07:27:05 AM
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Don't try to find All time high, you can not predict it correctly and you will only know ATH of a cycle after you are already in a bear market.
Don't time the market. Let's the market runs and try to exit with market cycle length, that you can base on Bitcoin history.
Each cycle is unique and it can be longer or shorter than previous cycles but if you make your strategy on average cycle length, you will not take profit too far from the ATH & more important you will be able to avoid stuck too deep in a bear market.
If you don't want to exit the market by taking profit with all bitcoins you have, do DCA for profit taking, withdrawal like this strategy.

Let's not try to overcomplicate things, when everything is actually really simple. Just have patience and HODL. That's pretty much it.
There will be price drops before the big bull run. Don't panic and never sell during a price drop. The market will start going up sooner or later.
My plan is to wait until the BTC price hits 2x of the current levels and I will start selling parts of my BTC wealth. If the future Bitcoin ATH is 3x of the current price that would be great, but I don't think that Bitcoin is capable of reaching a 120K USD price.
By the way, this topic belongs to the Trading Discussion forum(or maybe the Speculation forum).

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January 30, 2024, 07:59:01 AM
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This is a nice speculation that is backed by data. Though I don't care that much currently as I'm focusing on accumulating as much crypto as I can. I just think that it's better to focus on gaining some seeds now to sell on the bull market than spending huge amount of time on making wild speculation. I'll let people like LadyofCrypto1 do her thing in giving us information like this, I'm ok with a secondhand knowledge.

Maybe I'll comeback in this thread on the next few months if I can feel a very bullish action from bitcoin.
BITCOIN has always been backed by data, and with that same data they can speculate, but even with the speculation they can not predict what will happen to Bitcoin, i love how you have channeled your energy to accumulating more, and instead of worrying about the price you can rather just invest in bitcoin the more. because everything about Bitcoin is time. following the farming principle of putting more energy into investing than the profit and if you can accumulate as much as you can then you will get a beautiful reward during a bull run because now nobody can say whether a bull run will happen or not. and people who focus on speculations might even end up selling. because they have their hopes high already. and that is not how Bitcoin works. emotion should be out of it and it is better not to expect anything. so that it won't be like you are holding and all you want is just to make a profit.

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January 30, 2024, 08:02:33 AM
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Don't try to find All time high, you can not predict it correctly and you will only know ATH of a cycle after you are already in a bear market.
Don't time the market. Let's the market runs and try to exit with market cycle length, that you can base on Bitcoin history.
Each cycle is unique and it can be longer or shorter than previous cycles but if you make your strategy on average cycle length, you will not take profit too far from the ATH & more important you will be able to avoid stuck too deep in a bear market.
If you don't want to exit the market by taking profit with all bitcoins you have, do DCA for profit taking, withdrawal like this strategy.

Let's not try to overcomplicate things, when everything is actually really simple. Just have patience and HODL. That's pretty much it.
There will be price drops before the big bull run. Don't panic and never sell during a price drop. The market will start going up sooner or later.
My plan is to wait until the BTC price hits 2x of the current levels and I will start selling parts of my BTC wealth. If the future Bitcoin ATH is 3x of the current price that would be great, but I don't think that Bitcoin is capable of reaching a 120K USD price.
By the way, this topic belongs to the Trading Discussion forum(or maybe the Speculation forum).

It's not as simple as it seems. If it were, then everyone would have already been able to do it and follow the cycle of the price of Bitcoin during every bull run. This is particularly challenging for most Bitcoin investors, including newbies, as they don't know what to do in every market scenario. What you say may sound easy, but it's actually difficult to execute.

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January 30, 2024, 02:27:05 PM
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I personally plan to do that with some of my Bitcoin this time around, and buy back a bit on the crash in 2026.
If history repeats itself, it is good to start DCA in Q3 2026 and continue till the end of 2027.

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Oh also good job pointing out that the last bear market was the least severe yet.

In the next bear market, if the companies in the industry can learn from the mistakes of last time and avoid those sorts of collapses, I wouldn't be surprised to see Bitcoin crash only maybe 55-60%.
I think different.

I expect new all time highs, new parabolic curves will be smaller than previous three cycles BUT I expect the future corrections from all time highs to market bottoms will be nearly the same like somewhere around 70% to 80%.

Bottom line is if you know from bottom price, Bitcoin will make its new all time high like x2 or x3 from the bottom, who actually cares about 10% cheaper for entry.


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January 30, 2024, 07:18:51 PM
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My plan is still the same just like what I have done back then and since it ends in a good way, I made a decision to make my investment as the same as possible because I'm not a risk-taker and I can't recover easily from a big loss if something unexpected will happened. So I'll stick with my traditional plan in this halving season and if I lose, I won't suffer as much as the other big investors. I recommend to give other method of investment a try if you have enough money to invest because this time has a huge potential to increase at another ATH.

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January 30, 2024, 08:11:07 PM
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I recommend to give other method of investment a try if you have enough money to invest ...
Picking other viable options to invest in like real estate is recommended also. You should not sell off all your bitcoins for another investments, but can skim off some profit if you have invested well in bitcoins, to have other good investments outside cryptocurrency.
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January 30, 2024, 08:23:27 PM
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I don't have any bitcoin holdings, so I'm ready for the bull market. I have been trying to accumulate little by little, but I wasn't able to do it. At some point, I was in a situation to spend, and I completely used it. Soon after the previous halving, I decided to hold and accumulate until the 2024 halving, but the financial requirements during the same period as the earnings weren't that good due to COVID. Making more sources of income will help us save more and hold it for the long term.

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January 31, 2024, 07:26:55 AM
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Let's not try to overcomplicate things, when everything is actually really simple. Just have patience and HODL. That's pretty much it.
There will be price drops before the big bull run. Don't panic and never sell during a price drop. The market will start going up sooner or later.
My plan is to wait until the BTC price hits 2x of the current levels and I will start selling parts of my BTC wealth. If the future Bitcoin ATH is 3x of the current price that would be great, but I don't think that Bitcoin is capable of reaching a 120K USD price.
By the way, this topic belongs to the Trading Discussion forum(or maybe the Speculation forum).

I find your plan very easy and simple to follow. I am not targeting the all-time high before selling part of my investment because it is unpredictable. I am not also a high-risk taker so I have an average target and immediately it gets to that point, I will take my profit. If the price goes far above my target after my sales, good luck to the maximum risk-takers.

I don't have any bitcoin holdings, so I'm ready for the bull market. I have been trying to accumulate little by little, but I wasn't able to do it. At some point, I was in a situation to spend, and I completely used it. Soon after the previous halving, I decided to hold and accumulate until the 2024 halving, but the financial requirements during the same period as the earnings weren't that good due to COVID. Making more sources of income will help us save more and hold it for the long term.
The economic problems brought by COVID-19 affected many businesses which led to pay cuts, job losses, and inflation. The economies of most nations were about to recover when the crisis in Ukraine erupted and now multiple wars are disrupting the global economy. Surviving is now difficult while saving looks impossible. I am hoping that the global economy will improve this year and maybe through determination, diligence, and sacrifice one might take advantage of the next bear run to accumulate through DCA.

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January 31, 2024, 09:05:37 AM
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From my experience during 8 years, I can say that it's not hard either to find and catch all-time ath but the problem is that you have to spend days and nights awake to do that and it's difficult or almost impossible.  Luckily, I was awake when Bitcoin reached 70K ATH. I sold my coins once Elon Musk made a tweet about removing BTC payments on Tesla, I remember clearly that it was a moment when price started to fall, Binance was even down for many people because of increased traffic and it was almost impossible to buy or sell, I remember I sold Bitcoin immediately and the next day I bought Matic because it was the only coin that wasn't going down and was steadily increasing.

Every bull market is a very exciting opportunity to make money but it's mentally tough to handle stress. OP, your list contains lots of good advice for not only newbies but also for professionals but when it comes to action, it's becoming tough to keep them in mind because everyone wants to profit a lot and everyone is afraid that they haven't caught ATH and maybe they are missing a big profit on the way.

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I would say don’t make any plans. We have known what Bitcoins are capable of. Hence the ideal plan will be to just relax and invest directly. Don’t make any strategies or anything. Just follow the basics and invest into the coins directly. In this bull market it is estimated that Bitcoins will go 3 times the price. So accumulate as many Bitcoins as you can and invest patiently.

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As soon as I see such forecasts, I want to sell my portfolio for trading.

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End of November 2013: $900. Next time with $900: end of January 2017. Time in between: 3 years, 2 months.
Mid-December 2017: $19k. Next time with $19k: start of December 2020. Time in between: nearly 3 years.
Yeah, there's a difference, but I'd say it's a very small one. Then, if we count November 2021 with $67k as the ATH, the next time the price reaches that level should be November 2024 or somewhere around that time, but the recovery of the market in general can, of course, start much earlier.
So far, to me, the differences aren't that big, but we'll see if this 3-year (give or take a couple of months) cycle thing checks out this time.

Interesting that LadyofCrypto1 calculates her cycles differently, but her result is also November 2024, just like in my case.


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January 31, 2024, 11:48:57 AM
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Of course I am looking forward to the Bitcoin bullrun but at the moment I have enough desire to plan but no budget to execute the plan. But I must have budgeted a certain amount for Bitcoin bullrun after the Bitcoin halving where I will definitely buy Bitcoins if a good environment is created in the market. However, Bitcoin is currently in a good investable environment and the market is hovering around $40,000-43000. However, investors may not get such a good correction for Bitcoin investments before the halving in April. If I had the budget right now I would invest in Bitcoin.

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My plan is still the same just like what I have done back then and since it ends in a good way, I made a decision to make my investment as the same as possible because I'm not a risk-taker and I can't recover easily from a big loss if something unexpected will happened. So I'll stick with my traditional plan in this halving season and if I lose, I won't suffer as much as the other big investors. I recommend to give other method of investment a try if you have enough money to invest because this time has a huge potential to increase at another ATH.
It is obvious that Bitcoin is slowing down, the more expensive it becomes, the more difficult it will be for it to repeat previous achievements. If we consider the bottom in this cycle to be 16k (rounded), then I think that x5 - x7 is what we can really see on bullrun, I don’t really hope for more.
But everything can change if market conditions change, if for example, a decision is made again to print a lot of US dollars, and will give a new impetus to inflation, and in this case I admit that the price of Bitcoin may reach even greater growth. So for now my forecast is this, but if something changes, it may affect Bitcoin.

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February 27, 2024, 05:38:37 AM
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Don't try to find All time high, you can not predict it correctly and you will only know ATH of a cycle after you are already in a bear market.
That's a good recommendation in general, not just for newbies. I'd also add: Don't try to find the all time bear run low. As it appears to this date, it was $16k on December 2022, after the FTX news. Not that it matters currently, we're in the middle of a bear and a bull.
In general it is good advice, what happens is that if you have experience and knowledge on the subject, in addition to making DCA, you can do DCA partial sales at certain times. For example when the price clearly beats the previous ATH, say when it is at $75K, then when it hits $105K (I foresee huge resistance at $100K) and then put in every $25K after that figure. JJG has fairly detailed posts on this.

With knowledge you can do variants of DCA by taking advantage to buy more in bear markets and do partial sells in bull markets.

Frequently, I try to make it clear that I am not an advocate for selling of BTC for anyone who still considers themselves in their accumulation phase of bitcoin, so even though I talk quite a bit about various selling techniques, most of my techniques presume a status of over accumulation. .whether it is in my investment ideas thread or in my sustainable withdrawal thread.

Of course, everyone is responsible for his own techniques, and surely it becomes problematic for guys who might sell and expect to buy back at lower prices, so most of my techniques that include BTC selling involve presumptions that you will never be able to buy back... so if you cannot overcome that presumption and to be willing to live with not being able to buy back the coins that you sell, then you are likely not ready for selling any of them. .and just keep  buying until you get to such a level and you are able to work out some kind of a BTC selling technique that makes sense for you and your situation.

Another important point from my perspective, is that I employ incrementalism, so even if I might start selling BTC, I am never selling large amounts, and if you have over accumulated you could sell up to 10% every time the price doubles, but you might not start any selling until you are at least in profits 100% or more.... unless you are way over accumulated, then you would have more flexibility, but still I tend to stick to formulas in which I would never run out of BTC, even if continuing to sell at various points on the way up.. and I also am not trying to predict the price, so the price comes to points that I have already chosen, whether it is selling or attempting to buy back and if the price does not go to those points then I end up just waiting it out..

I don't have any bitcoin holdings, so I'm ready for the bull market. I have been trying to accumulate little by little, but I wasn't able to do it. At some point, I was in a situation to spend, and I completely used it. Soon after the previous halving, I decided to hold and accumulate until the 2024 halving, but the financial requirements during the same period as the earnings weren't that good due to COVID. Making more sources of income will help us save more and hold it for the long term.

Another approach is to invest a smaller amount.

So if you had been investing $100 per week, then maybe you should just invest $10 per week in order that you can sustain your investing at a level in which you are not going to be tempted to dip into the investment...

But yeah, you may well have a personality problem and lack of discipline.. so you have to teach yourself that if your investing for the long term, such as 4-10 years or longer, then you should not be fucking around with it.

So pick an amount that you can stick with and maybe you have to just start out with $10 per week and maybe you can increase it at various points down the road, and then maybe 10 years after you start then you can consider if you might want to start to sell some of it... but it might not even be necessary to consider selling at all if you are able to figure out a way to buy without being tempted to sell.

It can take years and years to really build up an investment portfolio, and even those people who invest up to 10% of their salary will take 10 years to get to 1 years worth of salary invested.. so if you are not even investing 10% it is going to take you a long time, and probably people have to try to work up to being able to invest 10% or more, especially if they ever want to get to fuck you status, which tends to be in the ballpark of 20-30 years worth of salary invested/saved, and many times there will be a reliance upon appreciation of your investment rather than strict saving/investing, even though people who really aggressively invest, like in the ballpark of 30% to 50% of their salary, they will be able to make progress a lot faster than those who are way more whimpy in their investing/savings,

and surely you have to have your shit together if you are investing 30% to 50% of your salary, so most people should shoot to sustain something like 10% prior to adjusting upwards and making sure that they have an emergency fund, reserves and a float, which it can take a while to build up those things too.. you cannot be aggressive with your investment if you are not organized, otherwise you are either gambling and/or you are going to be weak-handed if you are not sufficiently organized in your own personal financial management.

I would say don’t make any plans. We have known what Bitcoins are capable of. Hence the ideal plan will be to just relax and invest directly. Don’t make any strategies or anything. Just follow the basics and invest into the coins directly. In this bull market it is estimated that Bitcoins will go 3 times the price. So accumulate as many Bitcoins as you can and invest patiently.

You are not completely wrong in your focusing on BTC accumulation; however, your suggestion not to plan is a kind of failure.

One of the ways to deal with extremely high volatility is to have a plan, whether it is to sell some BTC on the way up or to just continue to accumulate or to just change your accumulation plan... those are all kinds of plans, so your actual plan to just continue to accumulate is a kind of plan that does not involve selling in this particular cycle.. and there is no problem with that.. especially since it can take 30-40 years in traditional markets to reach something like fuck you status, and if you are able to invest into bitcoin in a way that you might be able to cut that down in half and maybe it ONLY ends up taking you 15-20 years to get to fuck you status, and that could be a goal..

keep accumulating BTC until you reach fuck you status.. and don't lose your coins.. those are all plans... yet they are plans that involve not selling any of your BTC until you reach a certain higher level of BTC accumulation and then you can plan at that point whether you want to create any other kind of a plan that might not be ONLY about BTC accumulation because at some point you might determine that you have accumulated enough BTC, and even more than enough BTC in terms of your own personal circumstances.

As soon as I see such forecasts, I want to sell my portfolio for trading.
https://www.coingecko.com/research/publications/bitcoin-price-prediction-2024
"In aggregating the varied predictions from several pundits and renowned industry experts, we observe a central theme: the average Bitcoin price prediction for 2024 hovers around $87,000. This figure, culled from a Finder survey of 31 FinTech experts, serves as a significant indicator of the market's expectations and sentiment regarding Bitcoin's value post-halving."

Yeah.. wisdom of the crowds.  Have fun staying poor.

Sometimes it is better not to follow the wisdom of the crowds unless you want to have mediocre results.. .especially when it comes to something like bitcoin.

One of the advantages of bitcoin and any of us who have been studying the space for a while is that we have asymmetric information.. in other words superior information, and so it seems to take a while for public knowledge to catch up and part of the reason that some of the long term BTC holders have profited so greatly, even if they did not know any specifics about BTC's price direction, they were still directionally right by choosing to accumulate bitcoin and to error on the side of accumulation and holding rather than selling.

End of November 2013: $900. Next time with $900: end of January 2017. Time in between: 3 years, 2 months.
Mid-December 2017: $19k. Next time with $19k: start of December 2020. Time in between: nearly 3 years.
Yeah, there's a difference, but I'd say it's a very small one. Then, if we count November 2021 with $67k as the ATH, the next time the price reaches that level should be November 2024 or somewhere around that time, but the recovery of the market in general can, of course, start much earlier.
So far, to me, the differences aren't that big, but we'll see if this 3-year (give or take a couple of months) cycle thing checks out this time.

Interesting that LadyofCrypto1 calculates her cycles differently, but her result is also November 2024, just like in my case.

It is dangerous to lock yourself into such strictness in your thinking, but there should be no problems trying to anticipate some price waves as long as you don't try to trade on that information and end up selling too much too soon..

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February 27, 2024, 08:01:48 AM
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I don't have any bitcoin holdings, so I'm ready for the bull market. I have been trying to accumulate little by little, but I wasn't able to do it. At some point, I was in a situation to spend, and I completely used it. Soon after the previous halving, I decided to hold and accumulate until the 2024 halving, but the financial requirements during the same period as the earnings weren't that good due to COVID. Making more sources of income will help us save more and hold it for the long term.
In a situation like the one you described, of course each person will not be able to have Bitcoin that they can hold for a long period of time because of COVID, each person will certainly find it very difficult to earn income so that they can save and also invest and if the situation improves, of course they will be able to invest. like other people do to be able to profit from holding Bitcoin in the long term.

Of course I am looking forward to the Bitcoin bullrun but at the moment I have enough desire to plan but no budget to execute the plan. But I must have budgeted a certain amount for Bitcoin bullrun after the Bitcoin halving where I will definitely buy Bitcoins if a good environment is created in the market. However, Bitcoin is currently in a good investable environment and the market is hovering around $40,000-43000. However, investors may not get such a good correction for Bitcoin investments before the halving in April. If I had the budget right now I would invest in Bitcoin.
If you already understand that the price of Bitcoin will increase in the next few months then you have to try very hard to be able to save money so that you can collect funds that you can use to invest in Bitcoin, because by just having a plan and not having funds that we can invest of course we are not really sure that the price of Bitcoin will increase because if you are really sure of course you will try as hard as possible to invest in Bitcoin but don't force yourself to invest so that we won't be able to survive the investment we make the.
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February 27, 2024, 11:51:40 AM
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We know and believe that bitcoin price will recover from its previous ATH but it will be so fast and it will complete every four year circle so successfully that I am more confirmed by the current situation. today Bitcoin price increased by 10% to 56.5k+ Those of us who were not able to buy during the Bitcoin Dip are regretting it a lot. But if we are still not interested in buying then we will have more regrets in the coming days. so we still have many opportunities.  Investments can still be continued following the DCA strategy. I have already started this myself...

I think bitcoin price can cross $100k very soon but since bitcoin price can't be predicted with guarantee I can't guarantee it but I personally believe

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I predict the top of the bull market between December 2024 to March 2025 based on past Bitcoin bull runs. Just keep buying Bitcoin until the end of the year.
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February 27, 2024, 01:28:21 PM
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Yes, My feeling tells me that bitcoin is likely to make two runs and then reach its ath peak at >120k$. Therefore, realizing profits is nothing more than having to Hodl bitcoin 70% and the rest will be a story about AI, Defi, Layer 2, Gamefi, in addition to being ready with ETH, BNB, SOL, DOT... season Altcoins are getting closer. Be ready for scenarios and situations where the market may occur.

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