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February 14, 2024, 04:18:57 AM
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Trading is zero sum, everybody cannot win at trading. It’s not how it works. You trade positions and the position either makes money or loses money.

You make money and usually the counter party loses it and that’s how it works. The money isn’t printed out of thin air.

It’s actually less than zero sum since there are commissions, spreads and other fees which are sent to the brokerage or exchange.

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February 14, 2024, 06:59:08 AM
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You cannot predict the market dude. What you can do is just based on some calculations and historical data we can estimate the price of the coin. As this is an estimation, hence it is not guaranteed that you will make profit everytime. Yes with better estimation and calculation you can reduce the chances of losses. Moreover if everyone making profits in each trade, then all rest people would have followed them and joined trading and making millions now.

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February 14, 2024, 08:21:29 AM
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I wonder why some traders are still experiencing losses in their crypto trading upon all the impart professional traders are imparting  traders in some trading section to ensure traders know when to trade to win and when not to trade to avoid losses. Can you make everybody to win in their crypto trading? I asked this question based on what I heard from some traders that traded their coins early this year, hoping that the price will still return back to low price before they can buy and hodl for the real bull run to occur but this morning price made such traders to lose and, it made me to understand that there is no way you can help everybody to win in their crypto trading because, there are some traders who will be thinking that you are teaching them wrong thing until they experience profits or loss before they will appreciate what you did.

Even crypto trading experts cannot make everybody to win or earn big profits from their crypto trading at the same time because, for some traders to wait till the real bull to show up in the market, it will make them to feel they are about to miss the opportunity and it can lead them to loose no matter what you do to help such trader.
In crypto trading, it won't always be possible for everyone to make a profit. Because remember, in crypto trading, we traders seem to be competing with other traders. So every time someone makes a profit, there will definitely be someone out there who makes a loss. We can't make everyone benefit. Because in reality there will always be victims. Even if it is in the same trading signal group. So in reality not all group participants can benefit. There are several factors that cause someone to lose in trading. This could happen due to departure from the initial plan. Panic and excessive fear or because of greed. The point is that there are many psychological factors which of course are different for each person. There are those who are mentally strong and there are those who are not. Some people know risk management well and some don't.

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February 14, 2024, 09:49:35 AM
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I wonder why some traders are still experiencing losses in their crypto trading upon all the impart professional traders are imparting  traders in some trading section to ensure traders know when to trade to win and when not to trade to avoid losses. Can you make everybody to win in their crypto trading? I asked this question based on what I heard from some traders that traded their coins early this year, hoping that the price will still return back to low price before they can buy and hodl for the real bull run to occur but this morning price made such traders to lose and, it made me to understand that there is no way you can help everybody to win in their crypto trading because, there are some traders who will be thinking that you are teaching them wrong thing until they experience profits or loss before they will appreciate what you did.

Even crypto trading experts cannot make everybody to win or earn big profits from their crypto trading at the same time because, for some traders to wait till the real bull to show up in the market, it will make them to feel they are about to miss the opportunity and it can lead them to loose no matter what you do to help such trader.

You answered your own OP question; it's normal that most traders still lose in trading. That's because the market is unpredictable, apart from the volatility of crypto or bitcoin. It's not possible for all traders to win in trading because it can't be called a trading industry if everything happens like that to trader investors, do you understand?

So it is normal that there are other traders who lose in order to balance what happens in the trading industry with what happens in the market.

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February 14, 2024, 12:03:32 PM
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You cannot predict the market dude. What you can do is just based on some calculations and historical data we can estimate the price of the coin. As this is an estimation, hence it is not guaranteed that you will make profit everytime. Yes with better estimation and calculation you can reduce the chances of losses. Moreover if everyone making profits in each trade, then all rest people would have followed them and joined trading and making millions now.
The market doesn’t work like that, in trading, if someone makes money, it means that someone loses, these are the laws of the market. It will not be possible to repeat the successes of one trader if he does not share his transactions, I think that successful traders never share their transactions, because for them there is no need for this. And even if he did this, there would still be skeptics who would not follow his example, because all people are different, and they will interpret the same situation differently.

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February 14, 2024, 01:29:50 PM
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TBH, Your question and your query are irrelevant to each other, you are asking about making everyone win n crypto trading and your observation is that those who sold their coins earlier now have no way to get them back at the same price because the market is already on a much higher point form that point.

Now read again carefully and ask yourself does it makes sense, because a trader plays on short or a time frame and the holders or holders play on large time frames mostly zone to zone and sometimes even cycle to cycle. So can you compare the gains and losses directly? Let me elaborate on it more as a trader whether he had a short-time frame trader or a long-time frame trade he always goes with the strategy of a fixed tight or loose range of profit booking and Stops loss if one of them gets hit he exits the market without caring about how the market behaves further after closing his trade, now he'll get back with a new position and new analysis.

An investor he invents exponential gains to some limit he already set in his mindset, if gets some clues that the market is moving well and he's already in a good profit range due to fear or greed he books the profit, and if the market continues to gain he'll regret because he's not much skilled and disciplined.

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February 14, 2024, 03:53:18 PM
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TBH, Your question and your query are irrelevant to each other, you are asking about making everyone win n crypto trading and your observation is that those who sold their coins earlier now have no way to get them back at the same price because the market is already on a much higher point form that point.
I was referring those new traders that trade their crypto when the price pump little and, they feel bad when they saw the price pumping higher above the amount they use to trade in the market. The question I asked is that can  trader expert like you help new traders to achieve profits at once? Because I have see some situation where by the experts will be telling the traders not to trade that the market price will pump more in the future but they will follow their own choice to trade and earn different profits with the other traders that follow the instructions of their mentor to earn big profits.

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An investor he invents exponential gains to some limit he already set in his mindset, if gets some clues that the market is moving well and he's already in a good profit range due to fear or greed he books the profit, and if the market continues to gain he'll regret because he's not much skilled and disciplined.
That is what happened to those traders that allowed fear to deceive them to trade with the new price they saw in the market not knowing that the price will still rise higher to this current price but sometimes things like this happen for them to learn lesson from their mistakes so that, they will know how to handle their fear or emotion at the moment.

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February 14, 2024, 04:57:06 PM
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. The question I asked is that can  trader expert like you help new traders to achieve profits at once?
  • There is no professional trader among us who post here regularly, the majority of us trade for fun and I am sure most of us are in the red, too.
  • If someone - like the newbie trader you mentioned - wants to make a quick bug they usually don't take the hatd path and are willing to learn how to trade. They usually use tools like copy trading or preconfigured trading bots.

Those tools point combined lead me to a clean "no, it's not possible".

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February 14, 2024, 06:08:59 PM
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If everybody win in trading, then who will run at loss. Trading is either you make profit or run at loss, and traders run at loss more than making profit. You can learn from expert traders and think that you have become an expert, but it is when you are in the middle of the market, that you decision decides if you will run at loss or not. You are on your own when you open a trade and that is why no one can make anyone make profit in trading because we are to do it ourselves. It is better that a trader that wants to become better in trading, should only use the amount that you can afford to lose so that you can have the market experience, and come up with your own trading strategy that will work for you.

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February 14, 2024, 07:40:01 PM
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Even crypto trading experts cannot make everybody to win or earn big profits from their crypto trading at the same time because,
Cryptocurrency is an individual and personal race and learning from the best Cryptocurrency expert is not a guarantee for one to make a good trade. I think what is important for every trader to succeed in the market is to have interest to learn. When their is no interest,  even if you have the best crypto expert as tutor crypto will still be difficult for you.

Cryptocurrency seems to be understanding for people who have put in so much interest to learn it. So I think it is not about the person you are learning from but the energy you put in to learn Cryptocurrency.  The reason why most people are finding it difficult in crypto trading is because they feel the little knowledge they have about crypto is enough for them to get the desired trade they wish .

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February 14, 2024, 07:53:42 PM
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Believe me, even though there are many professional traders out there, they are more likely scams. What I mean is those who advertise themselves in order to offer their services, which is that they will be the ones to trade for you or avail their signals. It's hard to find good professional traders that give signals for free, even if they are not free, because they can turn out to be scams. Anyway, as I said, no matter what professional you follow, the earning or result of your trade depends on the trader's decision. Even if he has a good trading signal, it's up to the trader to execute it or maximise it. It doesn't mean that you have a guide or signal that means you will follow every step from other traders. No, you should be the one who decides. That's why knowledge comes first for a trader, if yoy skip that and concerns in the earning then expect a worst results.
No one can guarantee to make profit in any trading platform and it is natural that even an experienced trader can lose. Moreover, I have never met any wise trader who did not lose. It seems to me that a trader must have a risk-taking attitude before trading. It is true that when one trader gains, others lose. Those who have good calculations and can keep themselves up to date with the trends may be successful in trading.

A skilled trader can do good research, he can be ahead of the game in terms of risk. Experienced traders will definitely be ahead of the inexperienced ones. They can estimate the possible opportunities due to which they can profit to a great extent but are not certain. Even if a trader makes profit today, there is no guarantee that he will definitely make profit tomorrow.

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If that could be possible, then we would be seeing majority of traders are already in profits and never have to suffer from losses, but it’s not what we are seeing now. In fact, there are only few successful traders that are taking trading at its high advantage while majority are still facing inevitable losses due to lack of skills and patience while trading in the market. However, we can always make these traders more motivated to trade and never give up, but we can never give them assurance to keep trading in profits.

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I wonder why some traders are still experiencing losses in their crypto trading upon all the impart professional traders are imparting  traders in some trading section to ensure traders know when to trade to win and when not to trade to avoid losses. Can you make everybody to win in their crypto trading? I asked this question based on what I heard from some traders that traded their coins early this year, hoping that the price will still return back to low price before they can buy and hodl for the real bull run to occur but this morning price made such traders to lose and, it made me to understand that there is no way you can help everybody to win in their crypto trading because, there are some traders who will be thinking that you are teaching them wrong thing until they experience profits or loss before they will appreciate what you did.

Even crypto trading experts cannot make everybody to win or earn big profits from their crypto trading at the same time because, for some traders to wait till the real bull to show up in the market, it will make them to feel they are about to miss the opportunity and it can lead them to loose no matter what you do to help such trader.
There are two ways to consider that question, the first way we can ask ourselves that question is if everyone can actually win when they trade? And this is not possible, because you must remember that trading is a zero-sum game in which in order for you to earn money, someone else has to lose it.

The second way to understand that question would be if it is possible at all for anyone to learn how to become a successful trader? And this is impossible too, because even if you were to teach a good strategy to a person, there is no way to be sure if that person will use the strategy as intended, and they may lose money even when using a profitable strategy anyway.
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I wonder why some traders are still experiencing losses in their crypto trading upon all the impart professional traders are imparting  traders in some trading section to ensure traders know when to trade to win and when not to trade to avoid losses. Can you make everybody to win in their crypto trading? I asked this question based on what I heard from some traders that traded their coins early this year, hoping that the price will still return back to low price before they can buy and hodl for the real bull run to occur but this morning price made such traders to lose and, it made me to understand that there is no way you can help everybody to win in their crypto trading because, there are some traders who will be thinking that you are teaching them wrong thing until they experience profits or loss before they will appreciate what you did.

Even crypto trading experts cannot make everybody to win or earn big profits from their crypto trading at the same time because, for some traders to wait till the real bull to show up in the market, it will make them to feel they are about to miss the opportunity and it can lead them to loose no matter what you do to help such trader.
When you make money, that happens because somebody else loses, we can't have two winners, there is only one winner and the reason why there is only one winner is that there is a loser too as well as there is a loser because there is a winner.
I'll explain to you why everybody can't win in crypto trading. When you buy a coin at 30K, that means that someone got rid of it instead of holding it. When you wait and sell your coins for 50K, that means that someone started holding at 50K, then the price falls, and the ones who bought at 50K wait for a while, price falls down at 40K, 30K, they sell because of panic, then the circle starts over again. That's how trading works Smiley

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February 15, 2024, 11:50:27 AM
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The market is a wild beast and no one can tame it. Trading is a matter of momentum, although many experts advise to doing trade or stop, the difference of even a few moments can make a different result.

No one can guarantee what will happen in the market. Therefore, a trader should not depend on other people's ideas because all control is in his hands. He must be able to analyze for himself and decide quickly. Most beginner traders often don't control their emotions and don't have a TA base, so they can't handle on their moves, resulting in the wrong direction.

Trading is an ability that must continue to be honed. Teaching other people who are lazy just will make them blame us. Should you just suggest a book or video so he can learn his own so he has a strong base. Never suggest an actions, just encourage them to learn. That was my mentor's method when he taught me.
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They are imparting tips in trading but they are not making decisions on behalf of other traders. I will tell you OP that even having those techniques and ideas from experts doesn't mean you can be like them because it matters in decision-making which we all are different.

Will you believe me saying that I can make you succeed in trading? Maybe you have trust in me but I don't think you are 100% confident that I can do it.
That is quite simple, not just words, tips, strategies, and ideas, or being with these experts makes us succeed but it matters how our minds work.

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Even crypto trading experts cannot make everybody to win or earn big profits from their crypto trading at the same time because, for some traders to wait till the real bull to show up in the market, it will make them to feel they are about to miss the opportunity and it can lead them to loose no matter what you do to help such trader.
The problem is not like that, but because everyone has the free will to decide whether to follow what the expert says or vice versa and not only in trading, even in all parts of life people are free to decide whether to follow or not, and also the expert is not always right, maybe his winning percentage is big but that means he has lost so that is a reference that what he says will not be fully followed by other people, because the traders who follow it also have their own analysis and it is different from the experts and choose to make decisions according to their own analysis.

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I wonder why some traders are still experiencing losses in their crypto trading upon all the impart professional traders are imparting  traders in some trading section to ensure traders know when to trade to win and when not to trade to avoid losses. Can you make everybody to win in their crypto trading? ~snip~

Well, technically yes but if you ask if I can always make them win? no I can't. Many professional traders or influencers share their tips and tricks on social media and recommend when to buy and when to sell. When they share something like that indirectly they make everyone who follows him will win in their crypto trading if his tips work well. But we never guarantee anything when we follow someone movement even our strategy will often be wrong. Don't be greedy in trading, because greed will only make your profit become losses in just one night especially when you trading altcoins.

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Can you make everybody to win in their crypto trading?
No, everyone have their experience and capabilities to actually win their trades on trading. Even though you tell them what to do, they have different understandings and the time you teach them how to do it then the market is already changed accordingly. That's just how trade works, some wins and some losses but the way people make it different is how they react to some situations around the market to minimize their lose chance.

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I wonder why some traders are still experiencing losses in their crypto trading upon all the impart professional traders are imparting  traders in some trading section to ensure traders know when to trade to win and when not to trade to avoid losses. Can you make everybody to win in their crypto trading? ~snip~

Well, technically yes but if you ask if I can always make them win? no I can't. Many professional traders or influencers share their tips and tricks on social media and recommend when to buy and when to sell. When they share something like that indirectly they make everyone who follows him will win in their crypto trading if his tips work well. But we never guarantee anything when we follow someone movement even our strategy will often be wrong. Don't be greedy in trading, because greed will only make your profit become losses in just one night especially when you trading altcoins.
It is just like following signal groups where people think it is a sure win but not all the time it works while most of the time it is wrong. Yes, you are right in saying It can't be always as certainly we can't make it perfect. However, making someone win and become profitable lies in the hands of the trader. It is just how they decide on the situation and following others' tricks is sometimes not applicable which means that we need to decide our own.

We have these tips and ideas shared by self-proclaimed expert traders but guess what not all the time they win as well. This is enough to tell us that even following their signals is not a guarantee for success.
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