Eurovision 2024 bets

[alani123]

Will you be betting on Eurovision this year?

The Eurovision Song Contest (ESC) is quite popular in Europe. It's kind of an official institution at this point, with most countries of the continent sending a team to represent their country with a song in the competition. This year fewer countries will participate than in other years but still there's going to be a lot of competition.

Eurovision also has a big and very dedicated fan base and those fans often look at betting odds to see who's more likely to win the contest. This year I'm also eager to see which crypto bookies will accept bets on the ESC. The ranking in the final is determined in part by jury but also through audience votes. So people's opinion is really important in this competition.  

Here's some info on countries that will be participating in this year's contest:

First semi-final on the 7th of May:


Second semi-final on the 8th of May:


Countries that have already secured a spot in the final on the 11th of May:


There's also a unique circumstance this year where many participating countries have called on the expulsion of Israel from the competition due to the ongoing genocide the Israeli government is causing on Gaza. The organizers however weren't listening. But upon the revelation of Israel's entry, they're only now threatened with expulsion due to politicized lyrics (supposedly in support of the war), which are supposedly forbidden in the competition. So another betting option to look out for even before May when Eurovision will be taking place is if Israel will be allowed to compete or not.

So what do you think about betting on Eurovision? Will you be seeking out platforms to bet on it? Do you know which platforms will be accepting bets on the ESC in crypto?
Any thoughts on who's gonna pass from the semi finals to the final? Who's gonna be the winner perhaps? Let's get this thread going!

[FatFork]

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner?

Croatia decided who's going to Eurovision this year! Last night, our national broadcaster, HRT, put on a show called "Dora 2024".  After all the votes were counted, "Rim Tim Tagi Dim" by Baby Lasagna came out on top.  Get ready to see Croatia rock Malmö with this catchy tune! 🤘


Baby Lasagna - Rim Tim Tagi Dim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmg8EAD-Kjw (Official Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv-UQmO08sc (Live)

[flipme]

The Eurovision winner is determined by political alliances between countries and geographical proximity. Of course, a music contest sounds nice, and artistic activities lift our spirits, but this contest does not interest me because of its voting system. I wish the voting system of this contest was done by people living all over the world. Because in this case, the result is determined not by the quality of the music but by the political conjuncture. I'm sorry but I won't bet on this contest.

[Slow death]

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner?

Croatia decided who's going to Eurovision this year! Last night, our national broadcaster, HRT, put on a show called "Dora 2024".  After all the votes were counted, "Rim Tim Tagi Dim" by Baby Lasagna came out on top.  Get ready to see Croatia rock Malmö with this catchy tune! 🤘


Baby Lasagna - Rim Tim Tagi Dim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmg8EAD-Kjw (Official Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv-UQmO08sc (Live)

 

Currently, music no longer has beautiful lyrics with any meaning, whether in a critical or romantic sense. Music has become just mixtures of sounds that are pleasant to the ears, but do not touch the feelings of the person listening to them. Looking at the lyrics of this song, I didn't see anything that expresses feelings that can move someone. but it has a pleasant sound mix, I don't know what criteria they use to choose the songs for this op event and I also don't know what criteria they use to choose the winner of this event that op posted. but I highly doubt that the winner will be someone who sings something meaningful and has a good sound mix. Unfortunately, in music and beauty contests, the winners are chosen in a way that benefits certain politicians' goals.

for example, if in this event that the op posted, the majority of countries are critical of how Israel is managing the war and a singer appears with poor quality music, terrible lyrics but which criticizes Israel, then that singer will be declared the winner, if any songs appear singing about global warming, then you will be declared the winner. We no longer look at the quality of music, the message that music wants to convey to society and how this music can help improve society, people today no longer care about the lyrics of the song, politicians and competition judges they just choose the music that best suits their goals

[decodx]

Well, Germany has struck out at Eurovision again.  I hate to say it, but this year's entry just doesn't seem like a good fit for the contest.  We picked a decent song and Isaac is a talented singer, but the whole package lacks that special Eurovision sparkle needed to stand out. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twhq3S4YHdQ

It's a perfectly fine radio tune but come on... You need major stage presence and killer choreography to grab people's attention and  this song just kind of plods along without much excitement.  And the staging looks pretty boring too from what I've seen so far. 

I wish they'd chosen something more dynamic and crowd-pleasing.  As it is, theyll be relying on some jury points to avoid finishing dead last.  And with such an unmemorable song, Isaac's going to struggle big time to pick up votes in the public televote.

[alani123]

for example, if in this event that the op posted, the majority of countries are critical of how Israel is managing the war and a singer appears with poor quality music, terrible lyrics but which criticizes Israel, then that singer will be declared the winner, if any songs appear singing about global warming, then you will be declared the winner. We no longer look at the quality of music, the message that music wants to convey to society and how this music can help improve society, people today no longer care about the lyrics of the song, politicians and competition judges they just choose the music that best suits their goals

It's kinda funny how politicized Eurovision has been in the last few years.

There's a rule against politicized songs and lyrics but this rule only seems to be leveraged in favor of EU's establishment. In the last few years only Russia and pro-Russian entries have been harmed by Eurovision Rules.

2017 Ukraine refused entry to the Russian singer, ultimately not being able to compete at all.
2021 The European Broadcasting Union bans Belarus for supposedly political lyrics.
2022 Preemptive ban of Russia from the competition due to the war in Ukraine.

Why then shouldn't Israel be banned this year for carrying out a genocide that's even recognized by the International Court of Justice? It would only be fair to receive the same treatment.
Instead they threaten a ban on the song only after it's revealed to be in support of the war... And probably it won't even be banned.

It's fair game then in my opinion for other countries to send pro-palestinian and anti-genocide entries to the competition. Also fair game for people voting for the competition to do so in support of political opinions. It's going to be a fierce song competition in political terms (ironically). However also there's a large call to boycott the competition so ultimately it'd be interesting to see how much leverage these pro/anti entries would get.

[LTU_btc]

Always interesting to have discussion about Eurovision here. Personally I'm happy with our (Lithuania choice. We sent Silvester Belt with song Luktelk https://youtu.be/OrL668EQRu0?si=WP-Zk6VDHlNyd5Ko
That was only song that I liked in our national selection. Yeah, it's not winning material, but I'm sure we will get into final and maybe will get decent place. I also like that we started to send song in Lithuanian language. IMO, our English songs sounds too much generic.
Croatia, it will be great or just terrible. Last year they also sent a bit strange song, but didn't got good result.

The Eurovision winner is determined by political alliances between countries and geographical proximity. Of course, a music contest sounds nice, and artistic activities lift our spirits, but this contest does not interest me because of its voting system. I wish the voting system of this contest was done by people living all over the world. Because in this case, the result is determined not by the quality of the music but by the political conjuncture. I'm sorry but I won't bet on this contest.

There is is lot of politics in Eurovision, but I wouldn't say that's main factor how winner is decided always. Let's take Sweden and Loreen last year - it would be difficult to find political context there.

Well, Germany has struck out at Eurovision again.  I hate to say it, but this year's entry just doesn't seem like a good fit for the contest.  We picked a decent song and Isaac is a talented singer, but the whole package lacks that special Eurovision sparkle needed to stand out.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twhq3S4YHdQ

Yeah, it's not bad, but nothing special. It sounds like song that you will forget after few minutes. Don't know why Germany aren't taking Eurovision more seriously.

[alani123]

Well, Germany has struck out at Eurovision again.  I hate to say it, but this year's entry just doesn't seem like a good fit for the contest.  We picked a decent song and Isaac is a talented singer, but the whole package lacks that special Eurovision sparkle needed to stand out.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twhq3S4YHdQ

Yeah, it's not bad, but nothing special. It sounds like song that you will forget after few minutes. Don't know why Germany aren't taking Eurovision more seriously.

I think the countries that have a guaranteed spot in the final rarely bother to send an entry that's too good partly because it would be too cocky, but also because they don't need to bother. These entries don't reach the final on merit so if they want to send a joke entry and get it seen by everyone without having to bother with semi-finals, they sure can. But I think the United Kingdom and Germany specifically, being some of the largest countries in Europe, as well as having a guaranteed spot in the final, usually don't want to be too competitive.

It's so weird and really a shame to see the U.K., a country with such a robust music scene, to end up taking places close to the last year after year. Like yeah, ok, some countries really don't like the UK., but they've also been sending irrelevant songs. Not particularly bad, just really forgettable.

[decodx]

Croatia, it will be great or just terrible. Last year they also sent a bit strange song, but didn't got good result.

Yes, I agree. Croatia has a much better song than last year's entry, (which was a bit too controversial, imho.)  If I'm not mistaken, it resembles Rammstein's music a bit.
I'm not saying it's a ripoff, but maybe the artist was inspired by the iconic German rock band.

[LTU_btc]

I think the countries that have a guaranteed spot in the final rarely bother to send an entry that's too good partly because it would be too cocky, but also because they don't need to bother. These entries don't reach the final on merit so if they want to send a joke entry and get it seen by everyone without having to bother with semi-finals, they sure can. But I think the United Kingdom and Germany specifically, being some of the largest countries in Europe, as well as having a guaranteed spot in the final, usually don't want to be too competitive.

It's so weird and really a shame to see the U.K., a country with such a robust music scene, to end up taking places close to the last year after year. Like yeah, ok, some countries really don't like the UK., but they've also been sending irrelevant songs. Not particularly bad, just really forgettable.

It's strange that being biggest financial contributors they're ok with ending in last places every year, sometimes even without gettting any points. On the other hand, it would be even more strange and maybe even unfair if they would start sending their A tier stars like Dua Lipa or Ed Sheeran.

Yes, I agree. Croatia has a much better song than last year's entry, (which was a bit too controversial, imho.)  If I'm not mistaken, it resembles Rammstein's music a bit.
I'm not saying it's a ripoff, but maybe the artist was inspired by the iconic German rock band.

Actually, nowadays almost allsongs that I hear resembles something. It's getting hard to find something 100% unique. And probably to create too. They probably can sample parts of other songs not intentionally without even knowing about it.

[decodx]

Serbia's fired up for Eurovision 2024 with their national contest, "Pesma za Evroviziju", buzzing with great music!

You can watch live stream here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0VpZWSprOM


Also tonight:

🇮🇸 Iceland: Söngvakeppnin final, 20:45 ⭐️ (RÚV Player)
🇵🇹 Portugal: Festival da Canção semi-final 2, 22:00 (RTP Player)
🇷🇸 Serbia: Pesma za Evroviziju final, 21:00 ⭐️ (ERTS YouTube channel)
🇸🇪 Sweden: Melodifestivalen semi-final 5, 20:00 (SVT Player)

source: https://eurovision.tv/calendar

[o48o]

Finland, and not only because i am from Finland, but i am putting a ton of money into this. Here's my reasoning:

Windows95man is obviously a joke. But that's one of the reasons for my pick. Finland won Eurovision in 2006 with Lordi, that was sort of joke too.
They won because in 2006 winning was based on popular vote. Juries existed too, but because Eurovision was ashamed that Lordi won, after 2006 they gave more power to those juries to keep any weirdos out, so they won't vote for controversial or joke bands. Now, keeping that in mind:

1. Windows95man won Finland's finals because of popular vote, even when Jury gave least points to it.
2. When Loreen (sweden) won last year with her song "Tattoo" Against Käärijä's (Finland) "Cha cha cha", it was seen highly controversial, because loreen didn''t win with popular vote, it vote because of the jury vote. And when Loreen was picking up her price, whole arena chanted CHA CHA CHA!.

https://eurovisionfun.com/en/2023/05/loreen-it-didnt-bother-me-that-the-audience-was-singing-cha-cha-cha/

3. Now year after, voters see that the system is fixed against them, so i am guessing if will show somehow, like most people who voted käärijä last time could be giving sympathy votes for Finland, especially because Eurovision is happening in Sweden, this controversy will be remembered. And it would be so sweet to humiliate Sweden in their own turf, by something like this guy.



And if entries from other countries are going to be crappy enough, because of the reasons i already listed, i can see lot's of people giving a protest vote for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaIxsEPoS28

[alani123]

I think this year indeed joke songs will have higher chances to win because now yet another divisive issue has been added to the polarizing arena of international politics. Last year people were still voting based on the Ukraine/Russia war, now many countries are showing support to Palestine with their entry while others have so far showed support for Israel.

Even jury votes are kinda biased so this year the voters that go for a joke entry might be the most compact group.

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I haven't considered betting on it before, but it sounds like it could be a fun way to engage with the competition. Regarding the hot topic and controversy, it is strange how some political messages are tolerated while others aren't. Hopefully, the focus stays on the music itself.

Anyway, it's a shame to see countries like the U.K. not performing as well, considering their rich music history. But it's interesting to see Croatia is the favorite based on Eurovisionworld: eurovisionworld.com/odds/eurovision.

Let me know if you find any crypto bookies accepting Eurovision bets!

[Rufsilf]

You guys may not agree with me, but after hearing all of the entries you have been posting on this topic, it seems to me that modern music is just music. By composing their pieces, I've come to learn that some musicians are lifeless. It seemed as though they were merely performing; they had no emotion at all and were doing it to win the competition. You have to connect the lyrics with the music in order to truly appreciate its genuine meaning, which is not only based on the beat or rhythm, as only a few people will understand. Some lyrics can also be used in politics, you know. I mean, for me, there is nothing wrong when someone creates music about politics and how the government operates. In that way, they can express their feelings and be able to forward other people's concerns, and they will be able to become aware of the truth of how society is going. I think that it would catch the attention of people, and they would have some thoughts about it.

[o48o]

You guys may not agree with me, but after hearing all of the entries you have been posting on this topic, it seems to me that modern music is just music. By composing their pieces, I've come to learn that some musicians are lifeless. It seemed as though they were merely performing; they had no emotion at all and were doing it to win the competition. You have to connect the lyrics with the music in order to truly appreciate its genuine meaning, which is not only based on the beat or rhythm, as only a few people will understand. Some lyrics can also be used in politics, you know. I mean, for me, there is nothing wrong when someone creates music about politics and how the government operates. In that way, they can express their feelings and be able to forward other people's concerns, and they will be able to become aware of the truth of how society is going. I think that it would catch the attention of people, and they would have some thoughts about it.

Yeah, i am disagreeing with you. Part about emotions that you described is highly subjective and beauty (or emotion) is always in the eye of beholder.Calling music or musicians lifeless or shells is telling more about the fact that listener doesn't connect with it. It however doesn't mean others wouldn't. I recently read an article (i can't remember where) where people listened to music, written by AI, and people who were told it was written by AI, described it soulless and empty, while people who weren't told about it, didn't seem to be feeling that way, and it raising various emotions in them. This doesn't mean you have to see soul in everything or like it, i just think it's a matter of perspective.

About that poilitical part: Eurovision tries to stay apolitical, as it could easily turn a platform from uniting nations to tool for dividing people. Everything is political in some way, but it doesn't mean this is the correct platform for dividing messages, which this rule is supposed to fight against. It's about unity and music.

[Rufsilf]

You guys may not agree with me, but after hearing all of the entries you have been posting on this topic, it seems to me that modern music is just music. By composing their pieces, I've come to learn that some musicians are lifeless. It seemed as though they were merely performing; they had no emotion at all and were doing it to win the competition. You have to connect the lyrics with the music in order to truly appreciate its genuine meaning, which is not only based on the beat or rhythm, as only a few people will understand. Some lyrics can also be used in politics, you know. I mean, for me, there is nothing wrong when someone creates music about politics and how the government operates. In that way, they can express their feelings and be able to forward other people's concerns, and they will be able to become aware of the truth of how society is going. I think that it would catch the attention of people, and they would have some thoughts about it.

Yeah, i am disagreeing with you. Part about emotions that you described is highly subjective and beauty (or emotion) is always in the eye of beholder.Calling music or musicians lifeless or shells is telling more about the fact that listener doesn't connect with it. It however doesn't mean others wouldn't. I recently read an article (i can't remember where) where people listened to music, written by AI, and people who were told it was written by AI, described it soulless and empty, while people who weren't told about it, didn't seem to be feeling that way, and it raising various emotions in them. This doesn't mean you have to see soul in everything or like it, i just think it's a matter of perspective.

About that poilitical part: Eurovision tries to stay apolitical, as it could easily turn a platform from uniting nations to tool for dividing people. Everything is political in some way, but it doesn't mean this is the correct platform for dividing messages, which this rule is supposed to fight against. It's about unity and music.

Then, I suppose, whether or not that music piques someone's interest truly depends on their personal taste. I suppose it was just not my sort of music, and our perspectives are different. I believe that having a soul when producing music is crucial since it can significantly increase the emotional effect we can achieve and produce the desired piece. In other words, if you are soulless, your compositions would lack feeling and genuineness. The modern world is so advanced in terms of technology that even artificial intelligence can compose a song, and people go crazy for it. AI has the potential to make humans stupid. While it can benefit certain people greatly and improve our thinking, in the end we are just fooling ourselves and becoming less productive as a result of our dependence on high-tech devices.
 
There is no need for an argument, as I also believe that music unites people and helps us understand one another. Music also serves as a means of bringing people together and connecting us all to do things that can benefit our society.

[Saint-loup]

Iceland has revealed the song they will likely choose for the contest yesterday, that is to say the winner of their national contest Söngvakeppnin 2024, we still don't know if they will participate because they don't want to compete with Israel AFAIK, but I really like this song, I think it's my favorite this year, up to now. I hope they will decide to participate because they could reach the Top5 or maybe the Top3 quite easily with this entry IMO


Hera Björk - Scared of Heights

[alani123]

Iceland has revealed the song they will likely choose for the contest yesterday, that is to say the winner of their national contest Söngvakeppnin 2024, we still don't know if they will participate because they don't want to compete with Israel AFAIK, but I really like this song, I think it's my favorite this year, up to now. I hope they will decide to participate because they could reach the Top5 or maybe the Top3 quite easily with this entry IMO


Hera Björk - Scared of Heights

It's almost a pity Bashar Murad who was tipped to represent Iceland this year lost to this.
From what I understand his lyrics had nothing to do with politics, but the sheer fact that he's Palestinian was surely something in response to Israel still participating in the contest.
It's been such a long time since we saw some good action in Eurovision.

You guys may not agree with me, but after hearing all of the entries you have been posting on this topic, it seems to me that modern music is just music. By composing their pieces, I've come to learn that some musicians are lifeless. It seemed as though they were merely performing; they had no emotion at all and were doing it to win the competition. You have to connect the lyrics with the music in order to truly appreciate its genuine meaning, which is not only based on the beat or rhythm, as only a few people will understand. Some lyrics can also be used in politics, you know. I mean, for me, there is nothing wrong when someone creates music about politics and how the government operates. In that way, they can express their feelings and be able to forward other people's concerns, and they will be able to become aware of the truth of how society is going. I think that it would catch the attention of people, and they would have some thoughts about it.

No I kinda agree but what did you expect? High art or song that you can resonate with on a very personal level from an international competition?
Eurovision's format kinda favors low effort easy to understand songs. So rarely an artist will go there with his best song. They'll just write a pop song quite hastily specifically for the competition. It's a competition known for pop and RnB songs because they have the widest appeal. But there's the occasional outlier that also does well. We live for these moments here, like when Italy won.

If you think about it, even in Eurovision's "golden" era, the good music we remember from there is still corny pop songs like ABBA's waterloo...

[Saint-loup]

It's almost a pity Bashar Murad who was tipped to represent Iceland this year lost to this.
From what I understand his lyrics had nothing to do with politics, but the sheer fact that he's Palestinian was surely something in response to Israel still participating in the contest.
It's been such a long time since we saw some good action in Eurovision.

Yes I agree with you, it would definitely have been a better move to address this controversy with a palestinian singer than to boycott the event or to threat to do it. But if she won it's for some reasons. Many people of the Eurovision's audience are women of her generation or older actually, and many younger ones could have her shape. The lyrics of the song are universal and romantic but they are very feminine too. Her voice and the dancing music are nice. So I think she's very likely to get many votes if she participates.