An open letter to Eddie from Stake with lots of shares on Reddit

[Get-Paid.com]

What's your opinion about this letter?

https://www.reddit.com/r/gambling/comments/1b51kyk/dear_eddie_and_stake

 

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[vennali]

As one of the comments suggests, if not them, it'll be someone else who's marketing aggressively. There is no solution for it and as long as it is legal and allowed, they'll continue to do so. Premier League have banned gambling sponsors from the season 2026/27. More leagues and governments should come together to tone down the marketing a bit and figure out scenarios that levels the playing field. I know it is a capitalistic world they are spending hefty amounts to be where they are, and they deserve it for that. If I was in their place, I'd probably be doing the same, if not more. It is in their interest to gain more customers and market share while it is in the government's interest to not lose more promising youth to degenerate gambling and addiction.

[Odusko]

The negative impact of gambling addictions and losses can never be overemphasized and for sure casinos find every possible means to market themselves and as long as gambling is legal there is nothing to be done about how the aggressive marketing approach of casino owners increases the rate of crisis.

But much more also, gambling control should be an individual responsibility, since casinos are out to make profits as business ventures, but the other point I may likely deviate also from the open water is where the writer mentioned gambling as a tool for terrorism, this is quite confusing a bit for me, and I believe that the letter was written with much more biased mindset which may have failed to point out every justifiable reason why gambling will destroy the next generation even if properly controlled.

[Get-Paid.com]

I may likely deviate also from the open water is where the writer mentioned gambling as a tool for terrorism, this is quite confusing a bit for me

The writer was using a sort of a metaphor.
Terrorists kill people and destroy things.
He was implying Eddie supposedly is killing an entire generation by getting them addicted.
Hope it makes sense now.

[bitterguy28]

“i couldn’t give you any more props on the way you do capitalism — it’s next level.” is such a funny line  but anyway i understand op’s concern especially having to experience that themselves but eddie is a businessman but he does not force gambling into everyone so it is up to us to make that decision for ourselves

what does op want eddie to do? close down? even if eddie closes down all his gambling businesses, people are just going to look for others and will continue to find ways to gamble

he supplies because there is demand simple as that

[BitcoinSupremo]

Strewth, whatever's in that letter, Eddie couldn't give a toss. He's a fair dinkum billionaire, mate, built himself a bloody empire that'll outlast us all. And it ain't just for him, nah. He reckons it's high time to start poppin' out some ankle biters, y'know, so there's someone to inherit the fortune when he's carked it.

[Stalker22]

I may likely deviate also from the open water is where the writer mentioned gambling as a tool for terrorism, this is quite confusing a bit for me

The writer was using a sort of a metaphor.
Terrorists kill people and destroy things.

For God's sake, he equated the casino owner with a terrorist and called him one of the most dangerous people on the planet. That was not a metaphor!

He was implying Eddie supposedly is killing an entire generation by getting them addicted.
Hope it makes sense now.

Blaming the gambling industry for addiction is about as logical as blaming breweries for drunk drivers, or worse, the bartenders who serve them.  What happened to taking responsibility for your own actions these days?  That dude is probably just a sore loser and needs to get over it. Blaming everyone else for his own mistakes is not gonna win him any money.

[seoincorporation]

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The writer was using a sort of a metaphor.
Terrorists kill people and destroy things.
He was implying Eddie supposedly is killing an entire generation by getting them addicted.
Hope it makes sense now.

If the casino is a success it means a lot of people have lost money there, but it doesn't mean that 100% of the users lose. Some of them have good days and walk away from the casino with profit. But this open letter will not change anything, is like writing an open letter to NATO telling them how people are dying daily due to the wars they are supporting.

We need to understand the world already works in one way, and if we don't like it we only can change our actions, but it's on each individual to take this decision.

[Get-Paid.com]

For God's sake, he equated the casino owner with a terrorist and called him one of the most dangerous people on the planet. That was not a metaphor!

*metaphor = expressions that mean something different from their literal definition

Yes, he did take a very extreme approach, he was exaggerating for sure with his words.

[notblox1]

He was implying Eddie supposedly is killing an entire generation by getting them addicted.
Hope it makes sense now.

Sure gambling can be addictive, but so can anything else, drugs, alcohol, junk food, video games, and much more.
Modern governments are much worse than Eddie and they kill more people than any terrorist.
How is that nobody is writing public letters to governments that openly support lottery gambling scheme that is another form of scam, or ever rising taxation and rapidly growing inflation, or money printing from nothing?

[serjent05]

For God's sake, he equated the casino owner with a terrorist and called him one of the most dangerous people on the planet. That was not a metaphor!

*metaphor = expressions that mean something different from their literal definition

Yes, he did take a very extreme approach, he was exaggerating for sure with his words.

It is more like a hyperbole, IMO, since the statement is composed of an exaggerated figures of speech to give more strength to the impression.

Anyway, I agree that a person should be responsible of his action.  The casino is just advertizing and offers promos and bonuses to entice people to engage with Stake casino but they do not force people nor threaten them to spend their money to gamble in their platform.

Any ending is the gambler's fault.  No one to blame for one action but himself alone, since the gambler voluntarily wager his money, wether it is a win or lose, the result is the doer's responsibility.

Blaming everyone else for his own mistakes is not gonna win him any money.

Worst, he will never realize his mistakes and will be stuck with his problem forever.

[Yogee]

You should have posted the content of the letter in addition to the link. It's already deleted by the OP but I'm guessing based on the replies there that it's about the non-stop advertisement of streamers on Kick causing addiction even among the younger generations. I don't really know what to say since it's a streaming platform that they also own. It will probably take more letters like that before Stake reconsiders.

[Adbitco]

Hey i can't get any information there it was said the post was deleted by the original person who posted after i click through the link you provided above, doesn't mean that nobody has the full information let me follow up since I have started developing interest to use the site to gamble. Although most times i do prefer local casinos it is easier and stress free.

[jossiel]

Hey i can't get any information there it was said the post was deleted by the original person who posted after i click through the link you provided above, doesn't mean that nobody has the full information let me follow up since I have started developing interest to use the site to gamble. Although most times i do prefer local casinos it is easier and stress free.

I was also looking at the link as the post was deleted but I guess some members here have got a summary of that post.

The writer was using a sort of a metaphor.
Terrorists kill people and destroy things.
He was implying Eddie supposedly is killing an entire generation by getting them addicted.
Hope it makes sense now.

I guess that this was the post all about but we need to get more of the context or this was actually all of it.

[Dave1]

You should have posted the content of the letter in addition to the link. It's already deleted by the OP but I'm guessing based on the replies there that it's about the non-stop advertisement of streamers on Kick causing addiction even among the younger generations. I don't really know what to say since it's a streaming platform that they also own. It will probably take more letters like that before Stake reconsiders.

And I don't think that Stake might consider this. I mean they are in the business of making money, and just like any business, they will aggressively promote it. How many of us when we are little used to take a job to give flyers in the street because we are hired by someone to let others known about their business? This is pre-internet and social media.

But now that we are in this age wherein everyone can be put online including ads and promotions, I think this company will take advantage of it. Same with that streaming platform, again they are being paid by Stake or whatever casino it is to promote it to their platform and so obviously they will have to take that money.

[Yogee]

You should have posted the content of the letter in addition to the link. It's already deleted by the OP but I'm guessing based on the replies there that it's about the non-stop advertisement of streamers on Kick causing addiction even among the younger generations. I don't really know what to say since it's a streaming platform that they also own. It will probably take more letters like that before Stake reconsiders.

And I don't think that Stake might consider this. I mean they are in the business of making money, and just like any business, they will aggressively promote it. How many of us when we are little used to take a job to give flyers in the street because we are hired by someone to let others known about their business? This is pre-internet and social media.

But now that we are in this age wherein everyone can be put online including ads and promotions, I think this company will take advantage of it. Same with that streaming platform, again they are being paid by Stake or whatever casino it is to promote it to their platform and so obviously they will have to take that money.

They will keep doing what they usually do and even ramp it up until they meet more pressure to stop. An intervention from a large organization as a result of that mounting pressure may damage their reputation as a business. It may even cause a call for regulatory review and revision. You know that businesses also have some image to protect and they are only granted a license to operate.

[Wexnident]

It doesn't look like something unique to stake. If any other company had the capability, they'd probably do so really. At the end of the day, they're still a business and in most cases with businesses, morals be damned. And they can probably push the blame to the parents here rather easily really, or to any platforms that don't restrict their users to people of legal age when they're gambling. And from what others have said, they're promoting it on their own platform, which basically says that it's gambling oriented streaming platform. If they aren't going to promote gambling, when they themselves are one, there'd be no point no?

[Poker Player]

I see logic in the argument, and that is why there are several countries that prohibit or have restricted the advertising of betting houses. The problem with gambling today is that the internet is available 24/7, which is potentially much more addictive than when the only way to bet was to go to a place. But I agree that in the end everyone is responsible for their actions, we should not forget that. In the end, online gambling is one of the possible addictions on the Internet, like online porn or being hooked on Instagram likes. Everyone must be aware of the world we live in, its potential risks, and act accordingly.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

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The writer was using a sort of a metaphor.
Terrorists kill people and destroy things.
He was implying Eddie supposedly is killing an entire generation by getting them addicted.
Hope it makes sense now.

If the casino is a success it means a lot of people have lost money there, but it doesn't mean that 100% of the users lose. Some of them have good days and walk away from the casino with profit. But this open letter will not change anything, is like writing an open letter to NATO telling them how people are dying daily due to the wars they are supporting.

We need to understand the world already works in one way, and if we don't like it we only can change our actions, but it's on each individual to take this decision.

I have not read the letter, will do much later, so to keep this thread on my watchlist, I am writing this comment.

I very much agree with your submission, casinos are a business, and they never force anyone into patronizing them, they only place ads, people see those ads and decide on their own whether to sign up on that casino, deposit money and play, or just ignore, those who choose to ignore do, and those who don't do otherwise, there was never a time casinos force people into gambling, and as such, they can't be blamed for those who gamble too much to the extent of getting addicted.

We could use alcohol, cigarettes, drug companies as an example, many people are not only addicted to alcohol, smoking and intake of various types harmful drugs, but alot, and I mean millions of both young and old people have lost their life to this things, and yet, the companies producing them continue to legally produce more and more of this substances, most especially alcohol and cigarettes, and some legally produced drugs which are being abused by people, why hasn't the author of this stake open letter written an open letter to each of the companies producing this alcohols, cigarettes and so on? What makes him think that casinos destroy more lives than alcohol producing companies? Cigarettes and companies that produce all this harmful drugs?

[Kakmakr]

The post was deleted by the user who created it. So I guess he saw the consequences of his actions and he did some damage control.

You cannot say things like that on social media and then think that there will not be consequences. Eddie is actually a nice bloke and it is his business to market it as his marketing team sees fit.

If you feel strong about something, contact the person you have an issue with ..directly, do not post it in public.. where it will be torn to pieces and also tarnish a person's reputation.

[3kpk3]

What's with the flurry of anti-Stake threads recently in this board? Anyway, the open letter is pointless since Stake is in the business of making money as some of the posters above mentioned and youth addiction is just collateral damage to them.

Gambling addiction in any form will just keep rising with time sadly due to reasons like high unemployment rates etc in my opinion.

[Betwrong]

Unfortunately. I can't see it.



I can guess what was there though. Was it a post from yet another addicted gambler who lost a lot of money and saying that gambling should banned everywhere? You are asking about my opinion, @Get-Paid.com? Here it is: Gambling should not be banned. Since some people, a minority, can't control their greed and suffer because of it, the vast majority of gamblers, responsible gamblers, shouldn't suffer because of the ban.

[Synchronice]

Has someone archived a letter? And who is Eddie? A user called Stunna? If Stunan is not Eddie, then who is Stunna? I'm just interested in.

Despite the fact that I don't know what was the original post, for those who are interested in, most likely it was about Stake's aggressive marketing and how it ruins the young generation in the USA.
I am not against casinos, I even promote the one because I believe that it's our choice to do what we want and gambling is also a good way to experience fan, sometimes CoD becomes boring and slots give you fun, yes, live blackjack is amazing too for some kind of social interaction at the same time. But I agree with some point here, it's really very bad when casinos pay millions of dollars to people like Drake to play slots live and via fake winning and loses, casinos try to attract new customers. I mean, marketing is necessary for casino but it also depends on the marketing. Profits are good but if this level of marketing destroys young generation, I think they should change their marketing and probably do more for their customers to not get addicted.

[Haunebu]

Has someone archived a letter? And who is Eddie? A user called Stunna? If Stunan is not Eddie, then who is Stunna? I'm just interested in.

Op probably ran into some unexpected issues due to which he deleted the letter pretty quickly which is why I doubt anyone archived the letter and it's not something really important that should have been archived in the first place.

Also, Eddie is the co-founder of Stake along with Stunna who is supposedly another co-founder. You can find Eddie's information pretty easily online.

[Beparanf]

What's your opinion about this letter?

https://www.reddit.com/r/gambling/comments/1b51kyk/dear_eddie_and_stake

 

You should copy the complete content time and just enclosed it with quote so that user here can read the content immediately without visiting using the link you provided that directs outside the forum. As many already mentioned, the letter was already deleted and the purpose of this thread is already useless.

Just lock the thread immediately or at least sure what’s the recap of that letter if you still remember to have a proper discussion.


There’s a lot of user recently having problem on Stake.com due to multiple account. Probably its the same user that spreading negativity here in the forum.

[bittraffic]

It was said he won $2M?  That is really life-changing.
Since he did violate the TOS I guess the administration got the right to do something. I don't know what he did to win that much but it's going to make him crazy to post something off a hate letter.

Upon reading more of the comments, I think he admitted he is addicted. I think its the Reddit moderator who deleted his post.

[Hispo]

It was said he won $2M?  That is really life-changing.
Since he did violate the TOS I guess the administration got the right to do something. I don't know what he did to win that much but it's going to make him crazy to post something off a hate letter.

Upon reading more of the comments, I think he admitted he is addicted. I think its the Reddit moderator who deleted his post.

I am late to the party, so I don't have any idea what this open letter was about. I have read he literally compared casino operators to terroristz which is obviously delusional to do in any context. Even though I am not even sure of the situation that person is going through, the simple fact he has admitted to be addicted to gambling should be more than enough for us to have a glance on the stress and helplessness he could be feeling.
Instead of trying to smear and vent negatively against the casino he chose to gamble on, he is supposed to seek for professional help, so he can get his life back on track, I don't know, something it can be harsh to see people making their life harder by taking decisiom they know from the beginning are reckless and are pretty much likely to lead to financial loss.

As some people have already say here in this thread, casinos are a legal business which supply their services because there is a demand for them, we cannot blame the alcohol businesses, the pubs and the brewers of the car accidents and the separation of families because of alcoholism. We all are supposed to be responsible adults and evaluate our actions before carry them out.  Whatever... Hopefully that guy gets help and manages to self-exclude himself for as long as he needs.

[darkangel11]

Has someone archived a letter? And who is Eddie? A user called Stunna? If Stunan is not Eddie, then who is Stunna? I'm just interested in.

Most likely, although I'm relying on the things I saw over the years, your confusion comes from the fact that they use fake names and nicknames.
Edward Craven, also used a name Edward Miroslav founded the site along with Bijan Tehrani, and this is probably the guy nicknamed Stunna.
If the letter was deleted I assume the person who wrote this was angry and released that anger by writing this post, then reconsidered the situation and deleted it.

it's really very bad when casinos pay millions of dollars to people like Drake to play slots live and via fake winning and loses, casinos try to attract new customers.

They made so much money by holding bitcoin that users were losing in their casino that they can play with money and see what works and what doesn't. They can throw a million your way just for fun, it's nothing compared to their total net worth.

[iv4n]

Completely agree. Online casinos, and crypto casinos like stake in particular, have absolutely changed the face of gambling in the US and addiction rates are skyrocketing everywhere because of it. As short as a few years ago, it was easy to watch a game on tv and not really notice the ads. But today? Every commercial break there’s a gambling add pushing the idea of winning vast sums at the click of a button through an instantly downloadable app.

It’s absolutely mind boggling how quickly the gambling landscape has changed and the country as a whole, and men from age 15-35 or so in particular, are wholly unprepared for it. These guys (and ladies) start with a few small sports bets or .10 spins on a slot and next thing they’re behind on all their bills, their accounts overdrawn and every credit card and other source of money is tapped out. It’s as bad as drug addiction and this is coming from someone who was an opiate addict for 10+ years. Compared to my addiction, the gambling addicts I know hit rock bottom in less than a quarter of the time and hide it better until then. So when it does come out, their problem is the equivalent of a familial nuclear bomb.

So is gambling fun? Sure. Can it be done it moderation? No question. But is it also extremely addictive and potentially a national hazard if we don’t properly control the industry? Absolutely. And so far we have let online casinos run rampant and that leaves the future looking like trouble

The post got deleted, but I checked the comments, and this one got my attention, and I have to agree with this guy!

There has never been such public advertising of casinos and loans as now, commercials are everywhere around. On the interent/tv/radio, whereever we turn around there are some comericals about gambling and loans. And even thou they say it's "Not for younger than 18" everyone hear it, we all hear it, so much hyprocisy it's unexplainable.

Just take a look at the last lines... Gambling is fun, but there should be some limits and restrictions! I don't wish my kid to watch gambling adds everytime they open youtube! I don't wish to see gambling adds in the morning promising "free money and bonuses" while I watch a show for kids...

We advertise casinos in our signatures, but I can't compare that with some other advertising metods that actually reach the kids more then grown up people. So when my kid hears on radio "just join and get some free money in the casino" how should I explain that?

[Stalker22]

I can guess what was there though. Was it a post from yet another addicted gambler who lost a lot of money and saying that gambling should banned everywhere? You are asking about my opinion, @Get-Paid.com? Here it is: Gambling should not be banned. Since some people, a minority, can't control their greed and suffer because of it, the vast majority of gamblers, responsible gamblers, shouldn't suffer because of the ban.

In fact, this 'concerned citizen' claims to have won a cool few million at the casino, yet feels compelled to air his grievances in a public letter targeting a single gambling platform. Sounds legit, right?

Completely agree. Online casinos, and crypto casinos like stake in particular, have absolutely changed the face of gambling in the US and addiction rates are skyrocketing everywhere because of it. As short as a few years ago, it was easy to watch a game on tv and not really notice the ads. But today? Every commercial break there’s a gambling add pushing the idea of winning vast sums at the click of a button through an instantly downloadable app.

It’s absolutely mind boggling how quickly the gambling landscape has changed and the country as a whole, and men from age 15-35 or so in particular, are wholly unprepared for it. These guys (and ladies) start with a few small sports bets or .10 spins on a slot and next thing they’re behind on all their bills, their accounts overdrawn and every credit card and other source of money is tapped out. It’s as bad as drug addiction and this is coming from someone who was an opiate addict for 10+ years. Compared to my addiction, the gambling addicts I know hit rock bottom in less than a quarter of the time and hide it better until then. So when it does come out, their problem is the equivalent of a familial nuclear bomb.

So is gambling fun? Sure. Can it be done it moderation? No question. But is it also extremely addictive and potentially a national hazard if we don’t properly control the industry? Absolutely. And so far we have let online casinos run rampant and that leaves the future looking like trouble

The post got deleted, but I checked the comments, and this one got my attention, and I have to agree with this guy!

I tend to agree too.  Ads seem to be everywhere these days.  But should we really point fingers at gambling companies? Would getting rid of gambling somehow make ads go away? Gambling companies are certainly not saints, but it is still a legitimate industry and we cannot ignore that ad agencies and media platforms are the real winners here.

[Agbe]

What's your opinion about this letter?

https://www.reddit.com/r/gambling/comments/1b51kyk/dear_eddie_and_stake

 

The letter has deleted and I don't why. And some the comments I Saw there were interesting. "Stake is operated by human" oh yes and that is why the message or the letter was deleted from there. And if " Stake is banned, nothing changed". These are so.e of the comments there. And that is true because the company who did the thing is still exist therefore nothing changed from their crime. This is wat I saw in the link the Op provided for us to read before making any comments but we came late so the message has been deleted.

Op I don't what is in your mind, whether to op the thread keep foe people to make comments without knowing the content of the thread or to lock it if I will advise, you should lock the thread because the main message which the letter made you to create the thread has been deleted.

[Chibit01]

It's quite funny how an adult will write all his mind and yet go ahead to delete it could that be out of anger,fear or rage of regret.... Well think the person is wrote something negative about gambling to Eddie which makes him to decline from his intentions and delete the message maybe he will thinking that he don't suppose to send such message to Eddie it might be absurd in his second reasoning that might be a reason why he pull out and delete his message.....

On the other thought I wonder what this gambler is actually passing through maybe gamble addiction or he has had a huge loss that he could not bear anymore maybe he decided to talk to Eddie Maybe they should shut down gambling system or they should refund him even 5% of his lost it is actually not that funny but this man must be passing through alot right now or alot is passing through him right now........

Nevertheless let's be guided and never forget to bet with caution...

Thanks 😊👍

[Webetcoins]

The negative impact of gambling addictions and losses can never be overemphasized and for sure casinos find every possible means to market themselves and as long as gambling is legal there is nothing to be done about how the aggressive marketing approach of casino owners increases the rate of crisis.

Some things can be done for the aggressive marketing of casinos, it's either banning or restricting their advertisement campaigns either by governments or private sectors where they are promoting their services. In the recent past, Australia banned casino advertisements within the country saying that the country is losing billions of dollars every year to these casinos and they don't want that to happen.

So, if it seems that gambling advertisements and promotions are everywhere, they are aggressively marketing their services, you can't ask them to stop doing that because of course, they are running a business that is legal by the law and they are allowed to market their business, but if the places where they are promoting themselves, they can impose some rules and regulations about casino promotions.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Has someone archived a letter? And who is Eddie? A user called Stunna? If Stunan is not Eddie, then who is Stunna? I'm just interested in.

I think Stunna is, or at least was, Steve. Which position he has at stake, I don't know. Maybe one of the partners or something. At least he is also acting as a VIP host (I also had him in the past), is always on the stake stream and has other important stuff to do for their operations.

About the reddit post, too bad it's gone, would have loved to read it.

[Eternad]

Has someone archived a letter? And who is Eddie? A user called Stunna? If Stunan is not Eddie, then who is Stunna? I'm just interested in.

I think Stunna is, or at least was, Steve. Which position he has at stake, I don't know. Maybe one of the partners or something. At least he is also acting as a VIP host (I also had him in the past), is always on the stake stream and has other important stuff to do for their operations.

IIRC Stunna is one of the founding member of Stake. He/she was with Eddie when they founded Primedice that later introduced Stake.com as casino extension since primedice is only dedicated for dice game. Stunna is the one that handling all forum matters related to primedice before way back when they still have few employees. I think he is now doing excutive role that’s why he is rarely seen here but I believe he and eddie is the co-owner of primdice and probably Stake too.

About the reddit post, too bad it's gone, would have loved to read it.

I have a glimpse on that reddit post but I can’t post here word by word. The letter contains about complaintbcomment how Stake promote their casino through influencers all over the social media.

[CryptSafe]

I saw the headings of this thread and I got attracted to it but unfortunately the thread was deleted. However if OP had taken a screenshot of the post, it would have been okay for us to see and read to grabs the information there because anything anybody is saying that was posted might likely not be what was written.

The post I saw here with respect to what was purportedly written now deleted, I could understand that the poster was trying to pass across a message to the world. Could that post have anything to do with money being used for terrorism act or what?

I may likely deviate also from the open water is where the writer mentioned gambling as a tool for terrorism, this is quite confusing a bit for me

The writer was using a sort of a metaphor.
Terrorists kill people and destroy things.
He was implying Eddie supposedly is killing an entire generation by getting them addicted.
Hope it makes sense now.

[Haunebu]

The post I saw here with respect to what was purportedly written now deleted, I could understand that the poster was trying to pass across a message to the world. Could that post have anything to do with money being used for terrorism act or what?

Woah! Nothing like that. Op just talked about terrorism in order to convey how much bad Stake is doing in various ways, but it's all a load of nonsensical bullshit if I am being honest.

It's just one person complaining about Stake which is why I have no idea why several people are so curious about the contents of his letter. Pointless!

[CryptSafe]

The post I saw here with respect to what was purportedly written now deleted, I could understand that the poster was trying to pass across a message to the world. Could that post have anything to do with money being used for terrorism act or what?

Woah! Nothing like that. Op just talked about terrorism in order to convey how much bad Stake is doing in various ways, but it's all a load of nonsensical bullshit if I am being honest.

It's just one person complaining about Stake which is why I have no idea why several people are so curious about the contents of his letter. Pointless!

Okay. I get your point but I was curious when I saw the word terrorism because that alone calls attention but I must say  that such word  attract eye's with different meanings and I think we should be more careful mentioning such word here so as not to make people think otherwise as this is a global platform.

[OgNasty]

What's your opinion about this letter?

https://www.reddit.com/r/gambling/comments/1b51kyk/dear_eddie_and_stake

 

The letter has deleted and I don't why. And some the comments I Saw there were interesting. "Stake is operated by human" oh yes and that is why the message or the letter was deleted from there. And if " Stake is banned, nothing changed". These are so.e of the comments there. And that is true because the company who did the thing is still exist therefore nothing changed from their crime. This is wat I saw in the link the Op provided for us to read before making any comments but we came late so the message has been deleted.

Op I don't what is in your mind, whether to op the thread keep foe people to make comments without knowing the content of the thread or to lock it if I will advise, you should lock the thread because the main message which the letter made you to create the thread has been deleted.

I would've liked to have read the letter and I'm a little disappointed that OP didn't at the very least quote it in the OP so that we could all have a chance to read it.  Did anyone manage to keep it?  I'm curious to have read it as people seem to be saying there were some good points in there, but I don't know even what the overall tone was about.  From the comments it seems like the author was upset that Stake pays people to promote for their service?  There's definitely worse things than paying people to promote your service, especially when it's entertainment.  I for one am glad that Stake gives back so much money to the community.  They even allow promoters to use their own referral link.  First class operation.

[Wiwo]

Has someone archived a letter? And who is Eddie? A user called Stunna? If Stunan is not Eddie, then who is Stunna? I'm just interested in.

Op probably ran into some unexpected issues due to which he deleted the letter pretty quickly which is why I doubt anyone archived the letter and it's not something really important that should have been archived in the first place.

Also, Eddie is the co-founder of Stake along with Stunna who is supposedly another co-founder. You can find Eddie's information pretty easily online.

Well I read through the letter when it was first posted and as far as I know, the letter is just some form of personal observation and burn out of bias judgement although he mentioned some sellent point as of what contribute to gambling addiction and negative experiences, it better we just focus more on personal experience and decipline instead of transfering all the blame to the casino and it owners.

Although we have so many people who may not have the ability to control our gambling drive and at such those that have uncontrollable gambling habits may need to use self exclusion since the casino may not be aware of and for such leads to unfavorable outcome.

[Potato Chips]

Sadly, it doesn't look like public archives has the 'deleted letter' that's readable or if there's anyone who knows better who would like to continue the dig?

First off, nothing on the typical places like wayback machine and archive.today -- tried with both old and new reddit

The pre-deleted post was on unddit but the letter was on an image so it doesn't count again lols, see: https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/gambling/comments/1b51kyk/dear_eddie_and_stake/

The closest I could find was this misplaced and extremely streched out image from google lol, https://images.app.goo.gl/X47iNFW3zMJSdckHA -- cmiiw tho, but the date + the blurry "dear eddie" sorta matches  

[Get-Paid.com]

Guys,

Apologies for not uploading the letter, next time in the future would remember to include it here in the forum.
Once again apologies.

[EarnOnVictor]

I may likely deviate also from the open water is where the writer mentioned gambling as a tool for terrorism, this is quite confusing a bit for me

The writer was using a sort of a metaphor.
Terrorists kill people and destroy things.
He was implying Eddie supposedly is killing an entire generation by getting them addicted.
Hope it makes sense now.

I was curious to know the content of the post when I found out that it had been deleted for a reason best known to the writer, but upon since this post of yours, I think I am able to know the gist there.

Well, it is not today that people are talking about gambling or calling out a well-known name in the industry. It could be either good or bad side of it, but one thing that is important here is that no one was forced to gamble, and that is why the government and the law of every land ensure that you are an adult before you gamble so that you are not making decisions as a child. We've seen cases of a teenager ascended the throne of his forefathers and ruled rightly from then till he grew old. This means that it is all about wisdom and choices and once you have it rightly as an adult, you will be able to choose smartly and wisely.

In gambling, you can either win or lose, and don't forget that someone pays for your winnings from their pocket, so why won't you pay for your losses from your pocket? It is such a system that is fairly planned especially if you are gambling with a fair casino. This is why you must first locate such fairness first, and if they fairly treat you but you merely lose due to your poor decision and portfolio handling, then it is your own "cup of tee" and not the other party's issue that is fair to you and even willing to give you your winning if you won.

And for the addiction, is it the casinos that made them addicted or their foolishness and their inability to be disciplined and ensure self-control? I think those who are abusing casinos or calling out big names are just insincere. Casinos have been for so long and will continue to be, and so far they do not force you to gamble, it is your headache to gamble. Instead of them to blend their greed and frustration, they continue blaming casinos, which is awkward in my opinion.

[bettercrypto]

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The writer was using a sort of a metaphor.
Terrorists kill people and destroy things.
He was implying Eddie supposedly is killing an entire generation by getting them addicted.
Hope it makes sense now.

If the casino is a success it means a lot of people have lost money there, but it doesn't mean that 100% of the users lose. Some of them have good days and walk away from the casino with profit. But this open letter will not change anything, is like writing an open letter to NATO telling them how people are dying daily due to the wars they are supporting.

We need to understand the world already works in one way, and if we don't like it we only can change our actions, but it's on each individual to take this decision.

It is true that you said this: a casino will not be successful if there are only a few gamblers who lose in it, or if the gamblers make a lot of money but eventually lose in the casino. Although there are also winners, there are only a few compared to the losers, who can hardly be counted in a day.

Also, the stakes casino is a well-known casino worldwide online. I see the stakes casino logo often when there are major events in boxing, which means the stakes community is really big, to be honest.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

It is true that you said this: a casino will not be successful if there are only a few gamblers who lose in it, or if the gamblers make a lot of money but eventually lose in the casino. Although there are also winners, there are only a few compared to the losers, who can hardly be counted in a day.

Also, the stakes casino is a well-known casino worldwide online. I see the stakes casino logo often when there are major events in boxing, which means the stakes community is really big, to be honest.

Well, Stake is really a very popular brand when it come to online gambling casinos, but we all must understand and respect the sacrifices they made and the prices they paid to get to where they are today, there is no single online gambling casino where gamblers don't lose or win, why is it that Stake still is the biggest casino amongst all?

Like I indirectly touched before, all casinos are designed the same way, which is, they have more chances of making money than the player, we all should remember that casinos are providing a service to gamblers, and as such, they should get paid for the service they are rendering, and it doesn't matter how many players on that casino are winning or losing, or how much they are winning or losing, there are some games that casinos don't even participate in the payment of user's winnings, or taking of user's loses, because they are just there as a gateway way for the gamblers to the main providers of the game, what the casino do is take their commission from every players winning or loses, and for games like this, casinos keep making money regardless of whether a gambler is winning or losing.

So, in the nutshell, Stake didn't become the best out of luck, they spent their time and money on alot of sacrifices they made, and the prices they paid to get to where they are, any casino can become big if they can make the same sacrifice and pay the price that follows.

[decodx]

It is true that you said this: a casino will not be successful if there are only a few gamblers who lose in it, or if the gamblers make a lot of money but eventually lose in the casino. Although there are also winners, there are only a few compared to the losers, who can hardly be counted in a day.

I gotta disagree with you there!  Casinos need a revolving door of winners and losers (keeps the game exciting!).  Think about it, big winners are basically human billboards, right?  Someone scores big, and everyone else jumps in to try their shot.  No big wins, no excitement. Casinos must have some winners, even if it means they gotta cough up some cash sometimes