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[joniboini]

But I think that the gain from such total de-anonymization is not too great.  But the loss of anonymity is theoretically a huge violation of the human right to privacy, which, of course, cannot be completely ignored by the legislators of a civilized country.  Therefore, I still have hope that the issue of the absolute legality of anonymous payments in cryptocurrencies will still be resolved somehow.

Well, I guess it is a matter of perspective then. I think you put too much credit on the government, most of them don't care about users' privacy unless they can utilize the same thing that privacy enthusiasts are looking for such as TOR. With the gambling business, or crypto payments that you mentioned above, their priority by nature is different. Most businesses would either follow the requirement, or try to launch overseas where they can also stay anonymous, but then it will be problematic for the users if they decide to scam and so on. At the end of the day, I believe the cost to maintain and filter out people who abuse VPN probably isn't worth the cost, especially if the market for privacy-enthusiast gamblers is small (this is not about allowing payments in crypto to begin with). Even if the government somehow mandates businesses to accept VPN users', I'm pretty sure it will come with other KYC tools in hand. CMIIW.

[delfastTions]

But I think that the gain from such total de-anonymization is not too great.  But the loss of anonymity is theoretically a huge violation of the human right to privacy, which, of course, cannot be completely ignored by the legislators of a civilized country.  Therefore, I still have hope that the issue of the absolute legality of anonymous payments in cryptocurrencies will still be resolved somehow.

Well, I guess it is a matter of perspective then. I think you put too much credit on the government, most of them don't care about users' privacy unless they can utilize the same thing that privacy enthusiasts are looking for such as TOR. With the gambling business, or crypto payments that you mentioned above, their priority by nature is different. Most businesses would either follow the requirement, or try to launch overseas where they can also stay anonymous, but then it will be problematic for the users if they decide to scam and so on. At the end of the day, I believe the cost to maintain and filter out people who abuse VPN probably isn't worth the cost, especially if the market for privacy-enthusiast gamblers is small (this is not about allowing payments in crypto to begin with). Even if the government somehow mandates businesses to accept VPN users', I'm pretty sure it will come with other KYC tools in hand. CMIIW.

Yeah!   Of course, I understand that Legislative regulation of the anonymity of cryptocurrency payments in the USA is just my so far “pipe” dream.

 But we should all pay attention that among the flow of information from legislators, those who determine the functioning of financial systems in the world, some progressive positive applause still comes.  For example, I know that a group of congressmen is strongly opposed to the introduction of a digital dollar.  And it is quite possible that the introduction of such a CBDC will still be postponed for some time.  The option of cash (that is, involving anonymous payments) circulation of dollars in some countries, for example, El Salvador, Ecuador or Panama, is also retained.  Legislation on personal data and its preservation has also been adopted.  In Europe this is a Decree called "GDPD". 
There are laws regarding a person's right to privacy.
 So the issue of anonymity still faces legislators and they will somehow resolve it. 
But everything fundamentally depends on the general vector of development of civilization.  For now, this vector is directed and does not go in the direction that the masses of people want.
 Unfortunately.   

[khaled0111]

I'm not sure about that, sometimes third party providers are blocking locations with no reason while the casino using them allow people from this location to fully register and play there, that's boring and unfair for those customers, so using VPNs let them circumvent those illegitimate restrictions from faddy providers. I'm not aware of a reputed casino having banned or even warned a customer doing that.

I have to disagree. Casinos have to comply with their game providers' own terms and have to enforce those terms on their customers.
If a game provider prohibits players from a certain country from playing some of their games then using a VPN to circumvent this restriction is automatically a breach of the casino's rules and you may get banned because of it.
If you read casinos ToS, you will see that they state which countries are prohibited from using all their services alongside with countries prohibited from playing certain games according to game providers terms.

[Bitinity]

I'm not sure about that, sometimes third party providers are blocking locations with no reason while the casino using them allow people from this location to fully register and play there, that's boring and unfair for those customers, so using VPNs let them circumvent those illegitimate restrictions from faddy providers. I'm not aware of a reputed casino having banned or even warned a customer doing that.

I have to disagree. Casinos have to comply with their game providers' own terms and have to enforce those terms on their customers.
If a game provider prohibits players from a certain country from playing some of their games then using a VPN to circumvent this restriction is automatically a breach of the casino's rules and you may get banned because of it.
If you read casinos ToS, you will see that they state which countries are prohibited from using all their services alongside with countries prohibited from playing certain games according to game providers terms.

I've experienced in some casinos such as duelbits, rollbits and stake. FYI, some providers are not available to be played from my country due to mentioned reason above and I used VPN to play the games from those providers. In fact, there is no issue at all by bypassing the restrictions from the providers. Interesting fact, there are even some casinos that have a system to make the game by providers can be played without restriction from the providers. In the past, when I could not play Push Gaming and Relax Gaming in most casinos but there is one casino namely chips.gg where I can play them without VPN. I have even asked support from few casinos about it and most of them said that it is fine to use VPN to bypass the restriction by providers but not to bypass the restriction by the casino's general term.

[Dunamisx]

I don't know why some gamblers oftentimes like the use of VPN if not for something fishy that they may want to perform in which no one knows about than themselves alone, so many crypto gambling casinos go against such,  because allowing for it may render them to any form of attack some fraudulent gamblers may launch against their system and such could be to escape the security measures and attack.

[freedomgo]

I don't know why some gamblers oftentimes like the use of VPN if not for something fishy that they may want to perform in which no one knows about than themselves alone, so many crypto gambling casinos go against such,  because allowing for it may render them to any form of attack some fraudulent gamblers may launch against their system and such could be to escape the security measures and attack.

There's nothing wrong with using a VPN, we are in the crypto world and the main thing it promotes is privacy. VPN is just one thing that will add privacy to what we are doing online, and I like to also say this, I don't know why people think that using a VPN is an automatic violation to the TOS of a gambling site.

I guess we need to read first their TOS and decide whether we will use a VPN or not. If it's written that "Using VPN will result to account closure", then that's automatic a no for using a VPN, however if it goes like this "using VPN to bypass casino restrictions", then be wary that anytime the account could be block since you are attempting to break the TOS which the casino has the right to implement their rules.

[khaled0111]

I've experienced in some casinos such as duelbits, rollbits and stake. FYI, some providers are not available to be played from my country due to mentioned reason above and I used VPN to play the games from those providers. In fact, there is no issue at all by bypassing the restrictions from the providers.

I believe you but am sure you agree with me that this doesn't make sense and things shouldn't work this way, right!
Because if it was OK to bypass restrictions (using VPNs or any other mean) then why have the restriction in first place. It doesn't make sense, right!
I'll leave here few quotes from the ToS of the casino's you mentioned:
Stake:

Also, certain third party product providers may require You to agree to additional terms and conditions governing the use of their products that are available on or through the Website. If You do not accept those third party terms and conditions, do not use the relevant third party software. Stake does not accept any liability in respect of any third party software.

Rollbit and duelbits (have almost the same tos):

The Company has no control over, and assumes no responsibility for, the content, privacy policies, or practices of any third party web sites or services. You further acknowledge and agree that the Company shall not be responsible or liable, directly or indirectly, for any damage or loss..

[blckhawk]

I don't know why some gamblers oftentimes like the use of VPN if not for something fishy that they may want to perform in which no one knows about than themselves alone, so many crypto gambling casinos go against such,  because allowing for it may render them to any form of attack some fraudulent gamblers may launch against their system and such could be to escape the security measures and attack.

Probably with the belief that it masks their identity when they literally haven't even used any kind of software besides the VPN that's the equivalent of script kiddies saying they can hack your account because they can install a keylogger in your computer. Another thing that I can think why it's a thing is probably because of the belief that the Internet is much faster on the other countries when that's not the case. Maybe some people just don't love the idea that they're gambling in their country and that they want to mask it or that it's such a good time to play in that casino that you just have to bypass the restrictions to get there, or the worse one, they're using gambling as a means to launder money, if the casino is blocked in their country then there's no way that they're playing there so the money sent to them from that blocked casino must be a mistake.

[leonair]

I don't know why some gamblers oftentimes like the use of VPN if not for something fishy that they may want to perform in which no one knows about than themselves alone, so many crypto gambling casinos go against such,  because allowing for it may render them to any form of attack some fraudulent gamblers may launch against their system and such could be to escape the security measures and attack.

Probably with the belief that it masks their identity when they literally haven't even used any kind of software besides the VPN that's the equivalent of script kiddies saying they can hack your account because they can install a keylogger in your computer. Another thing that I can think why it's a thing is probably because of the belief that the Internet is much faster on the other countries when that's not the case. Maybe some people just don't love the idea that they're gambling in their country and that they want to mask it or that it's such a good time to play in that casino that you just have to bypass the restrictions to get there, or the worse one, they're using gambling as a means to launder money, if the casino is blocked in their country then there's no way that they're playing there so the money sent to them from that blocked casino must be a mistake.

Yes using VPN is very risky for us and if it is a free VPN it increases the risk even more.  Almost all of us use gambling for fun so why would we put our entire computer system at risk by using a VPN just to gamble.  op VPN friendly casino sites not find kyc free sites to maintain your privacy.  And casino sites offer gambling without kyc using small amount.  So I consider that amount of gambling to be enough for fun

[Solosanz]

There's nothing wrong with using a VPN, we are in the crypto world and the main thing it promotes is privacy. VPN is just one thing that will add privacy to what we are doing online, and I like to also say this, I don't know why people think that using a VPN is an automatic violation to the TOS of a gambling site.

How exactly privacy is matter when you're gamble on a centralized casino? sooner or later they will ask your KYC, when they know your KYC, it means you have no privacy anymore. You can do anything, but they already hold your identity.

VPN could increase your privacy if you're nothing to lose gambler i.e. someone who can accept to not withdraw the winnings regardless how small or big the money, because you value your privacy more than your winnings.

[Synchronice]

This is the exact reason why most casinos do not tolerate the use of VPNs. You were lucky that they didn't lock your account and confiscate your money.
Using VPNs isn't supposed to be a problem if done for legitimate purposes such as increasing privacy and/or security. The problem is that most gamblers do it to circumvent restrictions or abuse bonuses.. So casinos just ban it to avoid unnecessary headaches.

I'm not sure about that, sometimes third party providers are blocking locations with no reason while the casino using them allow people from this location to fully register and play there, that's boring and unfair for those customers, so using VPNs let them circumvent those illegitimate restrictions from faddy providers. I'm not aware of a reputed casino having banned or even warned a customer doing that. In addition, in most countries people are free to use VPNs as they want, especially for their privacy like you said, so people are free to not willing to share their IP addresses with such tedious providers.

Third party providers don't block certain locations for no reason. I have seen this issue in slot games. Some slots providers aren't available in some countries and there are reasons for that, for example, the brand of slots that you play might come from your country and the law prohibits them from offering products to locals. When you use VPN in this case, you are actually breaking their laws and your account might be in danger.

Some casinos allow customers to use VPN for protecting their privacy and hiding their activity from their ISP. It's prohibited to use VPN for bypassing country restrictions and for abusing promotions. Also, it's always better to use VPN with dedicated IP to not get in trouble with false claim of having multiple accounts.

[freedomgo]

There's nothing wrong with using a VPN, we are in the crypto world and the main thing it promotes is privacy. VPN is just one thing that will add privacy to what we are doing online, and I like to also say this, I don't know why people think that using a VPN is an automatic violation to the TOS of a gambling site.

How exactly privacy is matter when you're gamble on a centralized casino? sooner or later they will ask your KYC, when they know your KYC, it means you have no privacy anymore. You can do anything, but they already hold your identity.

There are different ways of privacy, and I understand that the moment we comply with the KYC requirement, they already know our identity. But not knowing where we are gambling is something we can consider as a privacy. If you don't see it as a privacy, then you are like saying when the government knows our identity we can already walk naked on the street as it doesn't matter anymore since we don't have privacy yet.

That's what I meant......

VPN could increase your privacy if you're nothing to lose gambler i.e. someone who can accept to not withdraw the winnings regardless how small or big the money, because you value your privacy more than your winnings.

Why would we talk about "not being able to withdraw"? Does it automatically means that when you use VPN you lose your balance in the casino?

[joniboini]

Also, it's always better to use VPN with dedicated IP to not get in trouble with false claim of having multiple accounts.

Make sure to double-check if the dedicated IP is really dedicated or not. I remember using a VPN that claims they offer dedicated IP but later found out that they simply limit the registered user's access to that IP depending on their plan. So essentially some people still share the same IP, just goes from 1000 users to 100 or lower. Not sure if this is the norm for cheap VPNs, or that VPN is just terrible.

Why would we talk about "not being able to withdraw"? Does it automatically means that when you use VPN you lose your balance in the casino?

I believe that's the risk you need to accept if you decide to do that, especially if a casino explicitly bans VPN. If they are friendly to it, the worst case scenario is they ask for personal details if you make it big as mentioned above, so it is better to be prepared from the beginning. CMIIW.

[Dunamisx]

I don't know why some gamblers oftentimes like the use of VPN if not for something fishy that they may want to perform in which no one knows about than themselves alone, so many crypto gambling casinos go against such,  because allowing for it may render them to any form of attack some fraudulent gamblers may launch against their system and such could be to escape the security measures and attack.

There's nothing wrong with using a VPN, we are in the crypto world and the main thing it promotes is privacy. VPN is just one thing that will add privacy to what we are doing online, and I like to also say this, I don't know why people think that using a VPN is an automatic violation to the TOS of a gambling site.

I guess we need to read first their TOS and decide whether we will use a VPN or not. If it's written that "Using VPN will result to account closure", then that's automatic a no for using a VPN, however if it goes like this "using VPN to bypass casino restrictions", then be wary that anytime the account could be block since you are attempting to break the TOS which the casino has the right to implement their rules.

You're right and i got your own scope of view as well, what should be done as expected from every gambler is to take time in reading through the ToS of the gambling platform and see if such permits for the use of VPN or not, of which i know that many of them do not, also we may need to go for our privacy demands while gambling, but not when we are seeking for privacy where none is permitted as in the case of a kyc gambling casino and if you make use of VPN then you have gone against their rules, the best one can do is in looking for the one that does not require kyc.

[Hamphser]

I don't know why some gamblers oftentimes like the use of VPN if not for something fishy that they may want to perform in which no one knows about than themselves alone, so many crypto gambling casinos go against such,  because allowing for it may render them to any form of attack some fraudulent gamblers may launch against their system and such could be to escape the security measures and attack.

There's nothing wrong with using a VPN, we are in the crypto world and the main thing it promotes is privacy. VPN is just one thing that will add privacy to what we are doing online, and I like to also say this, I don't know why people think that using a VPN is an automatic violation to the TOS of a gambling site.

I guess we need to read first their TOS and decide whether we will use a VPN or not. If it's written that "Using VPN will result to account closure", then that's automatic a no for using a VPN, however if it goes like this "using VPN to bypass casino restrictions", then be wary that anytime the account could be block since you are attempting to break the TOS which the casino has the right to implement their rules.

You're right and i got your own scope of view as well, what should be done as expected from every gambler is to take time in reading through the ToS of the gambling platform and see if such permits for the use of VPN or not, of which i know that many of them do not, also we may need to go for our privacy demands while gambling, but not when we are seeking for privacy where none is permitted as in the case of a kyc gambling casino and if you make use of VPN then you have gone against their rules, the best one can do is in looking for the one that does not require kyc.

One of the most important things that you should really consider when it comes to this manner on which you would really be needing up yourself to be that reading up their terms and conditions
in regarding to this because usually i do see that every platform would really be having a different set of countries on which they are really that prohibited and shouldnt really be accessed
by users who do reside such country on which it would really be normal that they would really be making out those restrictions.

On the time that someone would really be accessing it via VPN then this is a breach of rules or simply a violation and on the time that they would be locking up the account
then there's nothing you can do since its been stated on the rules. There's no way that you could really be able to have those appeal once you've been caught.

[Synchronice]

Also, it's always better to use VPN with dedicated IP to not get in trouble with false claim of having multiple accounts.

Make sure to double-check if the dedicated IP is really dedicated or not. I remember using a VPN that claims they offer dedicated IP but later found out that they simply limit the registered user's access to that IP depending on their plan. So essentially some people still share the same IP, just goes from 1000 users to 100 or lower. Not sure if this is the norm for cheap VPNs, or that VPN is just terrible.

How can you check and know if dedicated IP given by VPN is really dedicated or used by someone else? The only way I know is to check on some websites if your IP (given by VPN) is blacklisted or not. I think, you probably bought Static IP instead of dedicated IP because static IP is the one shared by small number of people instead of being absolutely dedicated. NordVPN and SurfShark offer dedicated IP. You can have a look at this list of VPN service providers.

[danadc]

Also, it's always better to use VPN with dedicated IP to not get in trouble with false claim of having multiple accounts.

Make sure to double-check if the dedicated IP is really dedicated or not. I remember using a VPN that claims they offer dedicated IP but later found out that they simply limit the registered user's access to that IP depending on their plan. So essentially some people still share the same IP, just goes from 1000 users to 100 or lower. Not sure if this is the norm for cheap VPNs, or that VPN is just terrible.

How can you check and know if dedicated IP given by VPN is really dedicated or used by someone else? The only way I know is to check on some websites if your IP (given by VPN) is blacklisted or not. I think, you probably bought Static IP instead of dedicated IP because static IP is the one shared by small number of people instead of being absolutely dedicated. NordVPN and SurfShark offer dedicated IP. You can have a look at this list of VPN service providers.

I understand that these things that are more technical have their good purpose , but I assume that if I am using a VPN and the casino tells me if it is possible to Use it, then I accept it and that's it , now when they Say that they have the most IP Doesn't that Mean it's the same person Using Other accounts ? And if I am at home and I give the VPN to my aunt and she enters, it is not the same person but it is the same IP , because what I see that Changes is the Private Dynamic IP and it does not Publish it Other than the One from the provider services , then there can be a Problem, but that is in the case that the person plays and wins a lot, but if they both play and they don't win Anything, but Rather the Opposite , I Imagine that the casino will not Fight and will Say that they are Going to refund them the money for Playing with the same ip , right?

[EarnOnVictor]

Also, it's always better to use VPN with dedicated IP to not get in trouble with false claim of having multiple accounts.

Make sure to double-check if the dedicated IP is really dedicated or not. I remember using a VPN that claims they offer dedicated IP but later found out that they simply limit the registered user's access to that IP depending on their plan. So essentially some people still share the same IP, just goes from 1000 users to 100 or lower. Not sure if this is the norm for cheap VPNs, or that VPN is just terrible.

How can you check and know if dedicated IP given by VPN is really dedicated or used by someone else? The only way I know is to check on some websites if your IP (given by VPN) is blacklisted or not. I think, you probably bought Static IP instead of dedicated IP because static IP is the one shared by small number of people instead of being absolutely dedicated. NordVPN and SurfShark offer dedicated IP. You can have a look at this list of VPN service providers.

You are never out of points and VPNs have put a lot of gamblers in trouble, which is why if one wants to use it, such a person must be very careful. But I still doubt the integrity and sincerity of the VPN provider if they would be truthful to what they say about a dedicated and if it is static, the risk is still not averted. And honestly, I am just getting to know a dedicated IP now, are you sure that this service is possible? If yes, I am certain that anyone who wants it might part ways with more money to make it truly dedicated.

But still, as I said, one can't entirely trust these service providers entirely because possessing the absolute right to IPs for them to vouch for not being used by anyone is so doubtful in the case of that dedicated IP. However, if any IP is blacklisted is another issue, or should I call it trouble because casinos would not think twice before they continue to block the account of a blacklisted IP. But certainly, the VPN service provider will not know about that unless their clients tell them. This even makes it riskier to use a VPN with any casino unless the gambler carries the casino along in all of the journey to using VPN if the casino allows it.

[Synchronice]

You are never out of points and VPNs have put a lot of gamblers in trouble, which is why if one wants to use it, such a person must be very careful. But I still doubt the integrity and sincerity of the VPN provider if they would be truthful to what they say about a dedicated and if it is static, the risk is still not averted. And honestly, I am just getting to know a dedicated IP now, are you sure that this service is possible? If yes, I am certain that anyone who wants it might part ways with more money to make it truly dedicated.

I don't advice anyone to use VPNs during gambling, I just say that for ones own safety, if he or she wants to use a VPN, it's better to use one with dedicated IP because dedicated IP belongs to you and is not shared with other users, so no one can accuse you for multi accounting.
And yes, that service is possible, I included a bitcointalk thread link where VPNs are listed.

But still, as I said, one can't entirely trust these service providers entirely because possessing the absolute right to IPs for them to vouch for not being used by anyone is so doubtful in the case of that dedicated IP. However, if any IP is blacklisted is another issue, or should I call it trouble because casinos would not think twice before they continue to block the account of a blacklisted IP. But certainly, the VPN service provider will not know about that unless their clients tell them. This even makes it riskier to use a VPN with any casino unless the gambler carries the casino along in all of the journey to using VPN if the casino allows it.

VPN is a trust based business. You trust what they say and then use their service or you simply ignore them. You never know what's actually happening behind the scene. They might be backing up their words in real life or might be lying but I think there are some good VPNs that we can trust more than others.

[DaNNy001]

I'm not sure about that, sometimes third party providers are blocking locations with no reason while the casino using them allow people from this location to fully register and play there, that's boring and unfair for those customers, so using VPNs let them circumvent those illegitimate restrictions from faddy providers. I'm not aware of a reputed casino having banned or even warned a customer doing that.

I have to disagree. Casinos have to comply with their game providers' own terms and have to enforce those terms on their customers.
If a game provider prohibits players from a certain country from playing some of their games then using a VPN to circumvent this restriction is automatically a breach of the casino's rules and you may get banned because of it.
If you read casinos ToS, you will see that they state which countries are prohibited from using all their services alongside with countries prohibited from playing certain games according to game providers terms.

I have seen cases of such restrictions and banned happening and some of them is really crazy because the user actually have won some significant amount of money and only to be restricted of their withdrawal because the casino found out that the user is violating the TOS of the casino so it's definitely not advisable at all to try it but although not all casino are against the use of VPN although I don't know about the particular location in which the VPN user might use that allows them free access to the casino without being punished.