PytagoraZ & komisariatku are alts

[ineedhelpplease]

You were told that publishing personal information is unsafe and there is no need. Why do you advise something that makes absolutely no sense? Whoever is on the other side of the screen should not show themselves. The forum adheres to confidentiality.
On the other hand, just imagine that there are a lot of farmers on the forum, and many have received negative tags. Is it possible to believe the evidence of cheaters who bring a friend, mom, and dad, as well as their cat, to a video call, but only one person will remain the true owner?
Don't forget, this is the internet, and we can be anything in the plural.

For me it does because in the past I've been in a few situations where it looked near 1:1 impossible to prove my innocence and it stressed me every minute of the day for a while I had to fight something for 6 months straight where it looked like I was guilty because I was told not to say some confidential information that was shared to only me, only for the bad results to happen the next day. Even with the other person who had this info telling him I had nothing to do it took an extremely long time just for the person who told me to realize the full story because I continued persisting and did everything humanly possible. Because of how long it took I lost pretty much alot of other valuable experiences with the dude including the trust that was built up until I was proven innocent.

Another time I had thousands of dollars hostage for about a week and they had serious coincidental proof of me "exploiting their website to duplicate money" it was getting to the point where I was starting to think I miscounted the money I withdrew/deposited and thought I was guilty for a while. I ended up failing my studying for a little because of it. They only realized I was innocent because I calmed down later that day, reviewed it fully, realized I was innocent and didn't take any "exploited" money from my account, and went to far and beyond lengths almost no one else would go to just to prove it. If it has anything to do with stuff considered important to me being at risk then I'll do anything just to try and get it back.

Other stories, etc. Whatever bits of trust this dude had remaining has just vanished the moment he lied here though. I'm just tired of people acting like they're from the circus over and over trying to act "innocent" expecting people to trust their words while not posting any actual proof against very clear incriminating evidence. Same thing just happens over and over, and it gets dull.

And yeah there will always be another "what if" scenario for almost everything but I'd figure that someone tell him to try something instead of relying on words with no proof as backup. You are right too, this website literally has proven to me all the people here who you think are good and trustworthy only to turn out to do things people would never have believed.

To me it just seems like people here on Bitcointalk fail to learn and have to go say the same NPC wordplay everytime they're caught and exposed and I've only seen one person come clean so far out of the (approximate) 50-100 I've viewed here from older and newer threads. All this because he wanted a few extra dollars per week from campaigns or small rewards from bounties. Didn't mean to make this super long but yeah that is why I'm out here saying all this.
 

Better study the forum rules and learn the multi-posting rule.
32. Posting multiple posts

Forgot about this rule, I was told about it before and had my posts merged as a result a couple of months back. I'll delete my previous post and edit my previous post to include what I've said. Thank you!

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I have been trying to get many people to join bitcointalk every once in a while for months because I told them it can make them money.
<snip>Literally NO one cared

I've told exactly one person about how members here can potentially get paid for making posts, and this person would have been the only one I know who'd be interested.  But then I explained that in order to make more than a pittance he'd need to rank up and that it isn't exactly easy.  He didn't care either, and as I said it might be different in other countries but the most logical explanation in situations like this is that accounts are connected.  I've seen excuses like the ones given here more than a few times over the years, so.

Still thinking about reevaluating my post history review offer.  It wasn't abused in this case, but I've been getting PMs from members I respect hinting that I ought to just ditch the whole endeavor, and I'm beginning to agree with them.

[Elissa~sH]

maftukh is not my account, but she is the one I taught about bounties, he was active for a while. I borrowed the account temporarily because it was never used again by the original owner. You could say it was my alt, but I forgot to log in to the account and only used it briefly

You have admitted your misdeeds, yet why do you want to say they are not your accounts? You have multiple accounts.
Let's temporarily borrow the account and run it. If the account is not owned, it will no longer be used. But why would you run with that account? These cause reputation problems in the forum.

Apart from these accounts, you have some more multi-accounts. You should not be in this forum and should leave it.

Thank you, @nutildah, for bringing up such a beautiful case.

[LoyceV]

and as I said it might be different in other countries

So far, all people who claim their "nephew" or "friend" owns their accused alt account, are from "poor" countries. It makes sense: a "signature income" makes a much larger share of your total income if your "local" income is much lower.

[dkbit98]

This is my mistake. komisariatku and I come from the same city and we meet occasionally. I used his laptop when I met at the cafe and read many threads there, I didn't realize I was replying using komisariatku account. He scolded me for this, if you want to give a tag, please give it to me and don't give it to komisariatku

Do you also use each other old underwear and toothbrushes by any chance?
With silly statements and stupid pretending when talking to yourself like this you are only digging deeper hole for yourself.
Congrats on ruining your accounts, and I can't wait to see other alt accounts you used for cheating

[holydarkness]

[...]

I once taught another college friend to join the forum and even bought him a new laptop at the end of 2017, but when he registered, the merit system came and he failed to increase his account ranking.

Curious... how normal is it in your circle of friends to bought someone a new laptop? Can I be your friend? I have this specific laptop in mind that I've been wanting to have.

[...]
maftukh is not my account, but she is the one I taught about bounties, he was active for a while. I borrowed the account temporarily because it was never used again by the original owner. You could say it was my alt, but I forgot to log in to the account and only used it briefly
[...]

Aside from buying someone a new laptop, is it also normal to borrow an unused account? Ok, that one probably quite common if they're from the same circle of multi-acc bounty hunter. But umm... why? Why even bother using her... his [?] account just to submit a content bounty entry? Even when the account is dormant and leave unused, you can just use yours.

[...]If he is really your friend, just facecam both of yourselves to a trusted member(Nutildah is trusted) WHILE both of you being logged on, checking IPS too live so you aren’t faking anything. [...]

Resorting to providing private information to a trusted member on the forum has been offered from time to time to resolve a dispute. Like always, every case is unique and should be approached on case-by-case basis, but one that can be agreed is that it is a very drastic measure and will be a burden to the user agreed to validating it to prove the submitted data.

On this case, for example, just to let you understand how heavy is the burden and why this is not an ideal method [not to mention that it's kinda against forum's private nature], how do you propose nutildah to know that komisariatku did not just ask someone next to him, or his friend next city [to be sure they will have different IP] to pretend to be PytagoraZ?

[BossJumong]

I think this man after getting caught, is now using his alt. Kudos to Nutildah for letting the loan be paid by these two accounts before reporting this post. I'm 100% sure that if Nutildah had posted this at the time when these two users haven't pay the loan, it would have ended up defaulting or not being paid the loan.

[BabyBandit]

Respect to Nutildah for his exellent judgment for waiting until the loans where fully paid back before posted this! RESPECT. IMO Everyone should follow this path because it will help a lot of lenders to get their money back! 🙏

and as I said it might be different in other countries

So far, all people who claim their "nephew" or "friend" owns their accused alt account, are from "poor" countries. It makes sense: a "signature income" makes a much larger share of your total income if your "local" income is much lower.

I'm rather rich in a poor country then poor in a rich country.



Question to PytagoraZ/komisariatku: How in the hell do you find time and pleasure to running so many accounts and be on this forum? It must been taking hours each day? I have hard to believe it's no other way to get an income that you also can be proud of. "11(?) accounts".  Even I struggle to find time to be active on one account.


.... It's really benefits and make thing much easier to be from a country that have an active local board indeed! But I think is much less fun to get boosted your way up in rankings, so much more joey to farm your journey the real way with struggle/patience/time so your journey get real that will for sure make your self appreciate the task a lot more. That's important isn't it to be a signature campaign IMO.

Don't any of you have IRL friends who join forums or teach neighbors or friends about forums?

I have recommend one friend about this forum because he was new into crypto, and the questions I couldn't answer I told him to search for the questions here because it's a lot of high skilled users here.
But as far I know he hasn't posted a single post, he just come in time to time and read about things he want to learn about. other then that? No. But he also got a life with a job, family so no time to spend hours here weekly.

[AB de Royse777]

So far, all people who claim their "nephew" or "friend" owns their accused alt account, are from "poor" countries. It makes sense: a "signature income" makes a much larger share of your total income if your "local" income is much lower.

In general with common observation yes your have observed it correctly but in my experience all it was not necessary if a user has a certain goal and be honest in their activities. In my experience it's not about living in a poor or economically down countries. It's about users to have lack of experience and proper goal with a good mindset, these people also don't want to study, learn, understand a knowledge and apply everything to improve their personal skills.

Most of the users in the forum want to make quick money, they want it today, even without achieving the first rank. If they would observe the influential members (who are making 10 to 100 times more money only from signature and avatar campaigns than those of general members) and followed their footsteps then they would make better amount of money than they make having a dozen of alternative accounts and abusing different opportunities.

[JollyGood]

Preface:

I waited 2 months to post this but couldn't because both of these accounts had loans with shasan that they kept re-extending. Anyway, now that they are both fully paid, I hope you enjoy this little revelation I had. Its a story about one of the most obnoxious "newbies" in recent history, and who would have guessed it, turns out he wasn't actually a newbie at all.


Well this is funny. Saw this post just now:

Absolute pure class from you for holding on to this while both accounts had outstanding loans.

I now feel dumb for having given Pytagoraz the benefit of the doubt that he was actually a newbie, as he claimed many times before, even going so far as to open a thread titled "I'am a newbie", LOL.

Well, he was a manipulator and quite a seasoned one therefore many members fell for his tactics. Fortunately, I discovered very early on he was an alt-account but did not find a link between him and his other accounts.

So, there are 11 accounts connected via blockchain:
asrinur
pentol86
cyberdg
razor92
komisariatku
coklat gurih
havi agasa
akbarharyadi8
nyupangcoin
Hagz
tu_kang

It seems this issue is potentially is far bigger connected than anticipated at first glance.

But I am once again convinced that if JollyGood thinks something, it doesn’t seem to him, and he is often right.
Moreover, if Nutildah takes over the search, then cheaters have virtually no chance of getting out.

I am glad I tagged his account as far back as July 2023 but could not locate his alt-accounts. Thankfully nutildah listed the connection and members can now look back to learn about how they were duped by him.

I've interacted with PytagoraZ several times and am now very disappointed in it. A truly loud appearance on stage, since he declared himself a lot, sometimes ends in scenes of shame.
Modesty is beautiful; PytagoraZ, accept it.

When people are compulsive liars they do end up winning the trust of others quite easily.

It seems that you not only have @tu_kang, you also have another Alt named: @Maftukh, you can see the telegram that you use in Bounty.

Another name to add to the list.

And what you see is another lie from your words between @cyberdg and @razor92, this clearly proves that both of them are Alt, I'm sure you know these two accounts.

The plot thickens more. There are already a huge number of potentially associated accounts therefore we could be looking at industrial scale account farming.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I waited 2 months to post this but couldn't because both of these accounts had loans with shasan that they kept re-extending. Anyway, now that they are both fully paid [...]

[...]

I think the contest cheating, exchange of merits, and attempts to coax merits under the pretext that they are a newbie is enough to issue red tags on both accounts.

Both accounts are welcomed to defend themselves in this discussion.

Great job nutildah and also, very wise decision to wait until the loans were paid back to shasan. No wonder you won the title of Best Scam buster of the forum!
I tagged both accounts myself as well. Other than that, should also the other accounts found by jokers10 be tagged as well?

I didn't have time to finish my investigation, so I'll leave blockchain interconnections here. [...]

So, there are 11 accounts connected via blockchain

Impressive work, jokers10! Your finding brings more light over the amplitude of entire situation.

Oh well...

LMAO, this was precisely what crossed my head when I started reading this thread. For the reference though, let's give credit to The Pharmacist for the lovely picture =)))

[LoyceV]

let's give credit to The Pharmacist for the lovely picture =)))

Real credit goes to djuragan I had to search hard to find back the link.

[mikeywith]

I already suspected that sooner or later this would happen. @pytagoraz, you told me that everything would be fine, it was your fault.

I'm so sorry, I'll try to explain to them. I sent you a message, please reply. Sorry because you must be very angry with me

Or maybe wait till you meet him again at the coffee shop?

I suggest you read about Dissociative identity disorder, it's when someone has two or more distinct personalities, the peak of it is when those personalities start to communicate with one another.

My humble advice -- stop trying to defend yourself, even if you (or both of you) were actually innocent, there is nothing you can say or do to undo what has been done, you will probably start a new account or use one of the "unfound" accounts to start climbing a ladder again, might as well just save the efforts and start now.

[komisariatku]

I already suspected that sooner or later this would happen. @pytagoraz, you told me that everything would be fine, it was your fault.

I'm so sorry, I'll try to explain to them. I sent you a message, please reply. Sorry because you must be very angry with me

Or maybe wait till you meet him again at the coffee shop?

I suggest you read about Dissociative identity disorder, it's when someone has two or more distinct personalities, the peak of it is when those personalities start to communicate with one another.

My humble advice -- stop trying to defend yourself, even if you (or both of you) were actually innocent, there is nothing you can say or do to undo what has been done, you will probably start a new account or use one of the "unfound" accounts to start climbing a ladder again, might as well just save the efforts and start now.

Yes, I know about that. I'm quite interested in psychology and used to like reading about psychoanalysis, although I thought Freud seemed pretty crazy with his experiments. Would you like to explain something about that?

Didn't the OP tell me to defend myself in this thread? Maybe you need to buy glasses so you can read clearly. That's not humble at all, if you want to argue with me, come on

This is my mistake. komisariatku and I come from the same city and we meet occasionally. I used his laptop when I met at the cafe and read many threads there, I didn't realize I was replying using komisariatku account. He scolded me for this, if you want to give a tag, please give it to me and don't give it to komisariatku

Do you also use each other old underwear and toothbrushes by any chance?
With silly statements and stupid pretending when talking to yourself like this you are only digging deeper hole for yourself.
Congrats on ruining your accounts, and I can't wait to see other alt accounts you used for cheating

What do you want to convey? Did your mother lose her underwear?

I'm not interested in arguing with you

[JollyGood]

The game for many accounts in this farm is clearly over. I did not expect the main protagonist to vanish without trying to drag this out for a few pages of the thread in the hope that some or all of the tags will be removed. Unfortunately for him (as with many others), he is wasting his time as it seems members (including myself) will not remove the tags.

I always knew the PytagoraZ account was playing a manipulative game therefore tagged it last year but cannot recall ever interacting with the komisariatku account.

If he has other accounts in his farm that have not yet been identified, eventually they will be. Maybe he should focus on trying to protect them and just give up on the ones mentioned in this thread.

I already suspected that sooner or later this would happen. @pytagoraz, you told me that everything would be fine, it was your fault.

I'm so sorry, I'll try to explain to them. I sent you a message, please reply. Sorry because you must be very angry with me

Or maybe wait till you meet him again at the coffee shop?

I suggest you read about Dissociative identity disorder, it's when someone has two or more distinct personalities, the peak of it is when those personalities start to communicate with one another.

My humble advice -- stop trying to defend yourself, even if you (or both of you) were actually innocent, there is nothing you can say or do to undo what has been done, you will probably start a new account or use one of the "unfound" accounts to start climbing a ladder again, might as well just save the efforts and start now.

[paid2]

In the light of recent discoveries, should we accept that PytagoraZ continue to get votes and therefore potentially win a prize?

He has cheated in the past with alts in some contests.

[VOTING PHASE OPEN] 🥧 Bitcointalk Pie Baking Contest (2nd Edition) 🥧

(Don't want to spam Pie baking thread and don't want to create a new topic for this)

[xLays]

In the light of recent discoveries, should we accept that PytagoraZ continue to get votes and therefore potentially win a prize?

He has cheated in the past with alts in some contests.

[VOTING PHASE OPEN] 🥧 Bitcointalk Pie Baking Contest (2nd Edition) 🥧

(Don't want to spam Pie baking thread and don't want to create a new topic for this)

I was about to post this but since you've already done so, I'll just give my suggestion. If he violates the contest rules, he should be disqualified from receiving any prize. However, if the rules don't mention it he still has a chance to win the prize (specially he submitted a great entry). I believe the decision should be left to the contest organizer and its participants but if you ask me whether he can still win the prize, I will disqualify him as he may have submitted another entry using his alt in the contest. Once a cheater always a cheater.

[logfiles]

In the light of recent discoveries, should we accept that PytagoraZ continue to get votes and therefore potentially win a prize?

He has cheated in the past with alts in some contests.

Provided he hasn't cheated on that contest using his alts or tried to vote using the alt accounts, I think he can potentially win the prize. I looked through the contest rules and I didn't see any mention of users getting disqualified once they got tagged by DT members.
Maybe the organizer forgot some of those details, but it means that even users who had been tagged in the past could participate in the contest.

[shasan]

maftukh is not my account, but she is the one I taught about bounties, he was active for a while. I borrowed the account temporarily because it was never used again by the original owner. You could say it was my alt, but I forgot to log in to the account and only used it briefly

I just found out that razor is a cyberdg alt, he never told me that before. I also don't know if I ever sent eth to a Razor address, but I admit I sent to a cyberdg eth address. You can see that our posting patterns are very different because we are not the same person and I'm not lying about that

You are kind-hearted person who taught about the forum, campaign, and so on and later took the account from the real owner. Please try not to speak too much lie. People on the forum are not too foolish. And never think you are the smartest one.

[komisariatku]

maftukh is not my account, but she is the one I taught about bounties, he was active for a while. I borrowed the account temporarily because it was never used again by the original owner. You could say it was my alt, but I forgot to log in to the account and only used it briefly

I just found out that razor is a cyberdg alt, he never told me that before. I also don't know if I ever sent eth to a Razor address, but I admit I sent to a cyberdg eth address. You can see that our posting patterns are very different because we are not the same person and I'm not lying about that

You are kind-hearted person who taught about the forum, campaign, and so on and later took the account from the real owner. Please try not to speak too much lie. People on the forum are not too foolish. And never think you are the smartest one.

I admit my many mistakes in the past. So there is no benefit for me to lie about the account, if the account is mine then I will admit it.

You can ask me if you find any other mistakes of mine, or if you prefer to believe in your own assumptions, that's fine.