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[memehunter]

Did you send private messages on the forum to all those who disagreed with you, or just to me?

You are not alone. I also received a pm today stating that his POA and stance was correct.

Generally send out private messages, and even with links (which can download malicious applications, for example) this is at least spam.

Yeah, even I think this was not necessary, he should have quoted the names of the members in that thread, instead of sending a PM. But, I can understand the feeling of winning a case against casino and we can let it go.

 @ptaylor78, did I disagree with your position anywhere? or you just anyway PMed me.

[bitmover]

https://casino.guru/complaints/bitz-casino-player-s-account-has-not-been-self-excluded

https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/bitz-casino-responsible-gaming-failure-at-bitz-after-gambling-addiction-disclosure

Bitz is well aware of all the details of this complaint. As virasog noted, if Bitz doesn’t care enough about its reputation to reply here or to third party mediators, what makes you think creating a brand new thread will cause them to be responsive?

Bottom line is that your suggestion that Bitz being "attacked" in their ANN is the reason why I haven't received substantive response from Bitz is not supported by the record.  Bitz has decided to hide and be silent across all online platforms, while continuing to promote themselves on Bitcointalk.

I read the link now.

If I understand correctly, you sent 13,800 usd to bitz and lost it all gambling...

You asked for a refund. They offered you a 5,000 and you are still complaining?

Man, you are responsible for your actions. Bitz looks a serious business.  They are even offering you money you lost..

You cannot accuse bitz of anything. They still have a solid reputation imo.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks for the analysis. Yes you were in fact 100% wrong…

https://casino.guru/complaints/bitz-casino-player-s-account-has-not-been-self-excluded

Congratulations, very smart move.

So, you just keep sending money to casinos and ask for an account delete. Send all money you can. make risk bets.

If you win, you are ok, just cash out and be happy.

If you lose, you ask for a refund!
Very honest and nice of you!  You must be proud.

Have you chosen which casino you are going next?

[ptaylor78]

https://casino.guru/complaints/bitz-casino-player-s-account-has-not-been-self-excluded

https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/bitz-casino-responsible-gaming-failure-at-bitz-after-gambling-addiction-disclosure

Bitz is well aware of all the details of this complaint. As virasog noted, if Bitz doesn’t care enough about its reputation to reply here or to third party mediators, what makes you think creating a brand new thread will cause them to be responsive?

Bottom line is that your suggestion that Bitz being "attacked" in their ANN is the reason why I haven't received substantive response from Bitz is not supported by the record.  Bitz has decided to hide and be silent across all online platforms, while continuing to promote themselves on Bitcointalk.

I read the link now.

If I understand correctly, you sent 13,800 usd to bitz and lost it all gambling...

You asked for a refund. They offered you a 5,000 and you are still complaining?

Man, you are responsible for your actions. Bitz looks a serious business.  They are even offering you money you lost..

You cannot accuse bitz of anything. They still have a solid reputation imo.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks for the analysis. Yes you were in fact 100% wrong…

https://casino.guru/complaints/bitz-casino-player-s-account-has-not-been-self-excluded

Congratulations, very smart move.

So, you just keep sending money to casinos and ask for an account delete. Send all money you can. make risk bets.

If you win, you are ok, just cash out and be happy.

If you lose, you ask for a refund!
Very honest and nice of you!  You must be proud.

Yet another off-base position by you not supported by any evidence. You were one of the loudest detractors claiming that Bitz acted properly and that my position was wrong. Now that Bitz has lost before two independent mediators and issued a refund, instead of admitting you were wrong, you just continue with more incoherent rambling… Not looking for a back and forth. Just wanted you to have the update and the realization that you were debunked.

[letteredhub]

https://casino.guru/complaints/bitz-casino-player-s-account-has-not-been-self-excluded

https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/bitz-casino-responsible-gaming-failure-at-bitz-after-gambling-addiction-disclosure

Bitz is well aware of all the details of this complaint. As virasog noted, if Bitz doesn’t care enough about its reputation to reply here or to third party mediators, what makes you think creating a brand new thread will cause them to be responsive?

Bottom line is that your suggestion that Bitz being "attacked" in their ANN is the reason why I haven't received substantive response from Bitz is not supported by the record.  Bitz has decided to hide and be silent across all online platforms, while continuing to promote themselves on Bitcointalk.

I read the link now.

If I understand correctly, you sent 13,800 usd to bitz and lost it all gambling...

You asked for a refund. They offered you a 5,000 and you are still complaining?

Man, you are responsible for your actions. Bitz looks a serious business.  They are even offering you money you lost..

You cannot accuse bitz of anything. They still have a solid reputation imo.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks for the analysis. Yes you were in fact 100% wrong…

https://casino.guru/complaints/bitz-casino-player-s-account-has-not-been-self-excluded

Congratulations, very smart move.

So, you just keep sending money to casinos and ask for an account delete. Send all money you can. make risk bets.

If you win, you are ok, just cash out and be happy.

If you lose, you ask for a refund!
Very honest and nice of you!  You must be proud.

Have you chosen which casino you are going next?

Many days for the.... One day for the owner. He would eventually get caught in his own net. He's getting away with the tactics and proudly rubbing it on people's faces who disagreed with him by sending each user a PM with a link to it.

I received a message from the user @ptaylor78, and thinking it was something important to have warranted a PM, just only to find it out it's a trolling message sent to everyone who weren't on his side in his story.

[ptaylor78]

Many days for the.... One day for the owner. He would eventually get caught in his own net. He's getting away with the tactics and proudly rubbing it on people's faces who disagreed with him by sending each user a PM with a link to it.

I received a message from the user @ptaylor78, and thinking it was something important to have warranted a PM, just only to find it out it's a trolling message sent to everyone who weren't on his side in his story.

It’s 2am in the US where I am and unfortunately I have work at my law firm in a few hours where I help others advance their legal positions. Otherwise I would stick around here while members who get weekly pay to advertise a casino in their signature, make the ludicrous claim that I would even have the desire or need to run schemes on casinos. I’ve wagered millions of dollars at various online casinos, but I guess filing a complaint against a casino that was ruled by two mediators to be in violation of responsible gambling obligations (and in fact issued a refund), makes me the dishonest party. How much do signature campaign participants get paid that would make some of you just pledge your unwavering support for a casino even when they are in the wrong? To be honest I don’t even care the answer to that question. I just wanted to give you an update on the complaint that you had such a strong (yet incorrect) position on. Good night!

[adultcrypto]

Well, I had 5-6 euros from Bitcoin Calendar and Daily drops, and I decided to play some slots with 0.4 euros per spin:



I got a bonus after a few spins... and won over x600! 

This happened an hour ago... I guess I will need to swap sats for USDT first, and later, maybe they will ask me for a deposit too?

Usually getting bonus spins requires a few dollars, but seeing that you only played with 5-6 euros that's only about 15 spins and you hit over x600 right away. You really hit the jackpot there! As for the withdrawal, if you have enough account activity over the past month, it should process without issues. But if not, you might end up in the same situation like the user before you.

This is simple, every bonus comes with T&C attached and one of the constant condition is the wagering requirement which is a good way to ensure that the player worked for the money. So, apart from wagering requirement, I don't think he will be required to make deposit to withdraw the winning and to meet the wagering requirement with his current balance is something very easy to achieve. Congratulations to him for that massive win.

[Bitz_Casino]

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[Shishir99]

Yet another off-base position by you not supported by any evidence. You were one of the loudest detractors claiming that Bitz acted properly and that my position was wrong. Now that Bitz has lost before two independent mediators and issued a refund, instead of admitting you were wrong, you just continue with more incoherent rambling… Not looking for a back and forth. Just wanted you to have the update and the realization that you were debunked.

If I may ask, are you still gambling?
If not, then I think it is fine. However, if you are still gambling at several casinos, I would love to see the next scam accusation from your account. You said that you had self-excluded yourself, but since it wasn't working, you kept making deposits and ended up losing everything. I also checked that this is not the first time you have exploited a casino's system. You did a similar thing with the BC game eight months ago. You set a $60 daily loss limit and went for a risky bet session to see if it works. If it works, then it is fine. If it does not work, then you are placing risk-free bets on high odds. If you had won those high odds bet, you would never complain. However, since you lose those 12 bets in six minutes, you created a complaint against BC game because the loss limit did not worked for you.

[ptaylor78]

Yet another off-base position by you not supported by any evidence. You were one of the loudest detractors claiming that Bitz acted properly and that my position was wrong. Now that Bitz has lost before two independent mediators and issued a refund, instead of admitting you were wrong, you just continue with more incoherent rambling… Not looking for a back and forth. Just wanted you to have the update and the realization that you were debunked.

If I may ask, are you still gambling?
If not, then I think it is fine. However, if you are still gambling at several casinos, I would love to see the next scam accusation from your account. You said that you had self-excluded yourself, but since it wasn't working, you kept making deposits and ended up losing everything. I also checked that this is not the first time you have exploited a casino's system. You did a similar thing with the BC game eight months ago. You set a $60 daily loss limit and went for a risky bet session to see if it works. If it works, then it is fine. If it does not work, then you are placing risk-free bets on high odds. If you had won those high odds bet, you would never complain. However, since you lose those 12 bets in six minutes, you created a complaint against BC game because the loss limit did not worked for you.

This was not a dispute about losing bets. Self-exclusion was requested before any deposits were made.

This situation would not exist had the casino honored the initial written self-exclusion requests. The mediators reviewed those requests and rejected the casino’s stated reasons for denying them.

It concerned written responsible gambling requests that were not enforced. Two independent mediators reviewed the full record and ruled against the casino. A refund was issued.

Other dispute you referenced was also reviewed independently and resolved. They are separate matters and do not change the documented findings here.

My current gambling activity is not relevant to whether written self-exclusion requests were denied in this case.

If you believe the mediators were wrong, feel free to address their findings directly and note here where they errored. I guarantee you won’t find any errors in their analysis or conclusions.

Speculation about motives does not change documented facts.

Many complaints filed against BC.Game and other casinos remain unresolved. In the cases you referenced, independent mediators reviewed the full record, ruled accordingly and casinos issued refunds. The outcomes were based on documented facts, not speculation.

[macson]

Did you send private messages on the forum to all those who disagreed with you, or just to me? I admit it took me a long time to figure out what it was all about and who was sending me the message. Generally send out private messages, and even with links (which can download malicious applications, for example) this is at least spam.

He also PMed me, and I thought it was something important, but I don't even know when I've ever disagreed with him, lol.

But from what I read, that guy accused Bitz of cheating him for failing to self-exclude himself. Well, that's something he needs to resolve between him and Bitz, and there's no need to PM me over something like that. But I've seen accusations like this several times in the accusation thread, and I can tell these people will continue to find fault with the casino to justify themselves 

[Pmalek]

@ptaylor78
There is no need to keep sending me any more of your PMs.
I have said everything I wanted to say on the subject of You vs Bitz, and my opinion hasn't changed after the mediator rulings.

You said somewhere that you are a lawyer. It's much clearer now. You register an account at a casino, claim you are a gambling addict, request to have your account frozen, and continue gambling. If you win, great. You take the money and move on. If you lose, you use your legal knowledge to try and get your money back, claiming how they didn't protect you. You never wanted protection. You wanted a way to get your money back if you lost. I wonder how many times you have done this already and how many more times you will do it in the future...

[ptaylor78]

@ptaylor78
There is no need to keep sending me any more of your PMs.
I have said everything I wanted to say on the subject of You vs Bitz, and my opinion hasn't changed after the mediator rulings.

You said somewhere that you are a lawyer. It's much clearer now. You register an account at a casino, claim you are a gambling addict, request to have your account frozen, and continue gambling. If you win, great. You take the money and move on. If you lose, you use your legal knowledge to try and get your money back, claiming how they didn't protect you. You never wanted protection. You wanted a way to get your money back if you lost. I wonder how many times you have done this already and how many more times you will do it in the future...

You continue to repeat an inaccurate version of events.

I did not request a temporary freeze and then continue gambling. I requested permanent self-exclusion before any deposits were made. The casino denied repeated written exclusion requests and continued accepting deposits.

Those facts were reviewed by two independent mediators. Bitz was given full opportunity to present its evidence and arguments. Both mediators rejected the casino’s position and a refund was issued.

Given the number of passionate and lengthy posts you made when this was first discussed, I thought it appropriate to provide an update on the outcome so you are aware that your position was debunked and dismissed.

If you can’t resist the urge to speak again on this settled matter, make sure to address the timeline and mediator findings and result.

You are entitled to your opinion. The documented timeline and the result are not opinion or speculation. They are the findings that bring this complaint and interaction with you to an end, with my position carrying the day. Cheers mate.

Here’s a concise summary from someone who reviewed all the evidence, since you seem to have issues keeping timeline and facts straight, and rather talk about conspiracies and schemes.

[bitmover]

There is no need to keep sending me any more of your PMs.
I have said everything I wanted to say on the subject of You vs Bitz, and my opinion hasn't changed after the mediator rulings.

I wonder who are those mediators, which have such bizarre decisions,  and why would a casino care about them.

Maybe there is a regulation in US or somewhere like that where casinos must comply with such scheme as created by this user, where "addicted  gambler" have some special treatment?

[ptaylor78]

There is no need to keep sending me any more of your PMs.
I have said everything I wanted to say on the subject of You vs Bitz, and my opinion hasn't changed after the mediator rulings.

I wonder who are those mediators, which have such bizarre decisions,  and why would a casino care about them.

Maybe there is a regulation in US or somewhere like that where casinos must comply with such scheme as created by this user, where "addicted  gambler" have some special treatment?

Finally a “keen” and “knowledgeable” member has realized that an executive order by President Trump made this result possible!

Nossa, que gênio!

[Itz-prisigold]

Yet another off-base position by you not supported by any evidence. You were one of the loudest detractors claiming that Bitz acted properly and that my position was wrong. Now that Bitz has lost before two independent mediators and issued a refund, instead of admitting you were wrong, you just continue with more incoherent rambling… Not looking for a back and forth. Just wanted you to have the update and the realization that you were debunked.

If I may ask, are you still gambling?
If not, then I think it is fine. However, if you are still gambling at several casinos, I would love to see the next scam accusation from your account. You said that you had self-excluded yourself, but since it wasn't working, you kept making deposits and ended up losing everything. I also checked that this is not the first time you have exploited a casino's system. You did a similar thing with the BC game eight months ago. You set a $60 daily loss limit and went for a risky bet session to see if it works. If it works, then it is fine. If it does not work, then you are placing risk-free bets on high odds. If you had won those high odds bet, you would never complain. However, since you lose those 12 bets in six minutes, you created a complaint against BC game because the loss limit did not worked for you.

Trust me if this is true then the user truly knows what he or she doing.  This might be a mistake if it happens once,  but if it keeps happening at a bunch of different casinos,  there's something fishy going on and there is nothing anyone can say to defend this kind of behavior and it's a criminal behavior.

Some of this tools in casinos are designed to be used in a way to try to keep yourself in control when a person is showing signs of gambling problems,  and not to just to create a “bet risk free” place.  If you are trying to take advantage of the system, on purpose by doing high odd bets,  and went to lay complain after you have lost the bet,  that raises serious questions about intent. Oh so if you had won the bet then you have withdraw your money quietly without making noise.  Some humans are very funny.

@ptaylor78 you say the mediators came to a decision in your favor which is fine. But that does not take away the pattern that people are referring to. If the system is working and you win,  then everything is fine.  If the system does not work and causes you to lose, then you go for it.  At some point,  people just need to take responsibility for their own actions.

Of course casinos have to try to protect their own and implement the measures properly.  But players should not be trying to use those measures in their favor.  I just hope that karma catches up with you one day.

[ptaylor78]

Yet another off-base position by you not supported by any evidence. You were one of the loudest detractors claiming that Bitz acted properly and that my position was wrong. Now that Bitz has lost before two independent mediators and issued a refund, instead of admitting you were wrong, you just continue with more incoherent rambling… Not looking for a back and forth. Just wanted you to have the update and the realization that you were debunked.

If I may ask, are you still gambling?
If not, then I think it is fine. However, if you are still gambling at several casinos, I would love to see the next scam accusation from your account. You said that you had self-excluded yourself, but since it wasn't working, you kept making deposits and ended up losing everything. I also checked that this is not the first time you have exploited a casino's system. You did a similar thing with the BC game eight months ago. You set a $60 daily loss limit and went for a risky bet session to see if it works. If it works, then it is fine. If it does not work, then you are placing risk-free bets on high odds. If you had won those high odds bet, you would never complain. However, since you lose those 12 bets in six minutes, you created a complaint against BC game because the loss limit did not worked for you.

Trust me if this is true then the user truly knows what he or she doing.  This might be a mistake if it happens once,  but if it keeps happening at a bunch of different casinos,  there's something fishy going on and there is nothing anyone can say to defend this kind of behavior and it's a criminal behavior.

Some of this tools in casinos are designed to be used in a way to try to keep yourself in control when a person is showing signs of gambling problems,  and not to just to create a “bet risk free” place.  If you are trying to take advantage of the system, on purpose by doing high odd bets,  and went to lay complain after you have lost the bet,  that raises serious questions about intent. Oh so if you had won the bet then you have withdraw your money quietly without making noise.  Some humans are very funny.

@ptaylor78 you say the mediators came to a decision in your favor which is fine. But that does not take away the pattern that people are referring to. If the system is working and you win,  then everything is fine.  If the system does not work and causes you to lose, then you go for it.  At some point,  people just need to take responsibility for their own actions.

Of course casinos have to try to protect their own and implement the measures properly.  But players should not be trying to use those measures in their favor.  I just hope that karma catches up with you one day.

The $11,500 USD I’ve been refunded in two legitimate complaints involving operators failing at their responsible gambling obligations is a miniscule percentage of the total deposits I’ve made across online casinos 2022-2026. Hope that helps with your unsubstantiated pattern/scheme theory.  You hope karma catches up to me sometime? Lol! This ANN has so many 🤡s. Totally assisinine logic.  Responsible gambling obligations exist but if a player dare requests a refund when operator fails such obligations, they must be scheming because the Bitz ANN and Bitz signature campaign participants are the arbiters of which complaints are legitimate and which are not... Lol! I'm getting back to IRL work now.  I've had enough of the foolery and nonsensical takes today.  My head is starting to hurt a bit.

[Itz-prisigold]

Yet another off-base position by you not supported by any evidence. You were one of the loudest detractors claiming that Bitz acted properly and that my position was wrong. Now that Bitz has lost before two independent mediators and issued a refund, instead of admitting you were wrong, you just continue with more incoherent rambling… Not looking for a back and forth. Just wanted you to have the update and the realization that you were debunked.

If I may ask, are you still gambling?
If not, then I think it is fine. However, if you are still gambling at several casinos, I would love to see the next scam accusation from your account. You said that you had self-excluded yourself, but since it wasn't working, you kept making deposits and ended up losing everything. I also checked that this is not the first time you have exploited a casino's system. You did a similar thing with the BC game eight months ago. You set a $60 daily loss limit and went for a risky bet session to see if it works. If it works, then it is fine. If it does not work, then you are placing risk-free bets on high odds. If you had won those high odds bet, you would never complain. However, since you lose those 12 bets in six minutes, you created a complaint against BC game because the loss limit did not worked for you.

Trust me if this is true then the user truly knows what he or she doing.  This might be a mistake if it happens once,  but if it keeps happening at a bunch of different casinos,  there's something fishy going on and there is nothing anyone can say to defend this kind of behavior and it's a criminal behavior.

Some of this tools in casinos are designed to be used in a way to try to keep yourself in control when a person is showing signs of gambling problems,  and not to just to create a “bet risk free” place.  If you are trying to take advantage of the system, on purpose by doing high odd bets,  and went to lay complain after you have lost the bet,  that raises serious questions about intent. Oh so if you had won the bet then you have withdraw your money quietly without making noise.  Some humans are very funny.

@ptaylor78 you say the mediators came to a decision in your favor which is fine. But that does not take away the pattern that people are referring to. If the system is working and you win,  then everything is fine.  If the system does not work and causes you to lose, then you go for it.  At some point,  people just need to take responsibility for their own actions.

Of course casinos have to try to protect their own and implement the measures properly.  But players should not be trying to use those measures in their favor.  I just hope that karma catches up with you one day.

The $11,500 USD I’ve been refunded in two legitimate complaints involving operators failing at their responsible gambling obligations is a miniscule percentage of the total deposits I’ve made across online casinos 2022-2026. Hope that helps with your unsubstantiated pattern/scheme theory.  You hope karma catches up to me sometime? Lol! This ANN has so many 🤡s. Totally assisinine logic.  Responsible gambling obligations exist but if a player dare requests a refund when operator fails such obligations, they must be scheming because the Bitz ANN and Bitz signature campaign participants are the arbiters of which complaints are legitimate and which are not... Lol! I'm getting back to IRL work now.  I've had enough of the foolery and nonsensical takes today.  My head is starting to hurt a bit.

It is pretty funny how you try to seem right while having an obvious criminal mentality.  Let me clarify something. The casino did not force you to make a deposit,  each and every deposit you made is something you did willingly and voluntarily. You know the nature of the game,  you know it is a gamble. If you decide to continue to throw large sums of money into a casino, it is a personal choice and a risk you decided to take.

I mean,  the casino was absolutely generous enough to give you some of your money back,  and you have to understand a casino giving you back some of your money does not mean they did something illegal.

It really does not make sense to come here complaining right after you took a very big risk.  If this is a repeated pattern of behavior across multiple casinos,  then it is intentional. Stop blaming the casino,  you should be responsible for your actions. You know the risks and you are taking advantage of gambling platforms.

[bhadz]

Did you send private messages on the forum to all those who disagreed with you, or just to me? I admit it took me a long time to figure out what it was all about and who was sending me the message. Generally send out private messages, and even with links (which can download malicious applications, for example) this is at least spam.

I have also received one. I can't remember that I have argued with his issues or concerns or probably I just did a little comment in it. Whatever it is, if it's in his favor then that's good for him. While messaging everyone here in the forum is free, and with the people that agrees and disagree with him. I guess that it's best to only argue with the people that he likes to discuss with his matter. And good luck to him and I wish him all the best.

[mirakal]

This issue has already been resolved, so I don’t think there’s any need to keep dragging it further. Both parties seem satisfied with their internal agreement, and continuing the discussion here will just lead to more speculation that doesn’t really help anyone.

If people still want to analyze or speculate about it, maybe it’s better to create a separate topic instead of turning the ANN thread into something else.

By the way, I did receive a message from ptaylor78 notifying me about the update on his case. I won’t comment further on it though, since it looks like everything has already been settled.

[vanesha]

 The English Premier League match will soon begin aston villa vs chelsea, of course this match will be difficult to predict both teams are in bad form, but I still take the risk and believe aston villa will perform better than chelsea, aston villa will try hard to maintain its position in the standings if possible to reclaim third place