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Consider a simple example. A person walks into a bar already intoxicated and asks for another drink. Yes, the person chose to walk in. Yes, the person chose to order alcohol. The bartender still has a duty to refuse service. If the bartender keeps serving and harm results, the bar is liable. The customer’s choice does not erase the bar’s regulatory duty.

At the end of the day you can think whatever you want. You do not write the rules, interpret them, or enforce them. You are simply another forum user with an opinion. In this case, an opinion that was rejected by the documented record and by two independent mediators, and ultimately by Bitz, who issued a refund.

Whatever has happened so far is between you and Bitz.io
You don't have to lecture us about what is right and what is wrong. Most of us spend enough time in this forum and we have seen dozens of cases like this. The reality is, you are not gambling addicted. Do you have a certificate that you are a gambling addict? If so, why did you choose to make another deposit knowing you are a gambling addict? Making deposits at the casino and taking a drink in the bar isn't the same thing.

You are just a cheater who wants to play with free money and milk the casinos. We have seen dozens of cases like this and you are not better than any of them. Good luck that the mediator ruled in your favor.

Please let us know which casino is your next target.

Thank you for identifying that guy for who he really is. Its such a shame that there are people deliberating looking for casino to exploit and when their scheme fails the come to the forum to make baseless accusations. People in his category are many, they usually pop up everywhere on the forum with new accounts to make their claims and they are very knowledgeable about the casino business which is why they go about trying to blackmail casinos into allowing them free pass with their cheating.

Unfortunately, there are still a lot of people in this community who still wanted to take advantage of any casino. Meaning exploiting them as much as possible with their dubious schemes. I have seen a lot of scam accusations on almost all casinos. But majority of them are not surprised by that kind of attacks as casinos knows what their motivation are. And when asked for proved, those individuals can't proved anything except their words against the casino, and in the end, the community knows the real intention of this entities - to just have a smear campaign.

[macson]

If we know, our familiar team is not performing very well at present, still we should not bet on unfamiliar team. I have already said that Chelsea FC is my favorite team and know the most about this team and you know too. And since more time should have been spent to know everything about Aston villa. This will increase the chances of winning, but I think Aston Villa lost badly.Because the goal gap is too much. However, a lot of analysis should be done on sports betting.

If it were last year, I might have said that Aston Villa would have a higher chance of winning because of Chelsea's inconsistent performance. But now Chelsea's performance has improved and Aston Villa is also in a very bad moment, so that allows Chelsea to play more confidently in the match and get a better position than Aston Villa. It could also be said that Aston Villa was unlucky because they immediately lost momentum in the first half, but that's football, when you lose confidence, the whole strategy will be destroyed.

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

If it were last year, I might have said that Aston Villa would have a higher chance of winning because of Chelsea's inconsistent performance. But now Chelsea's performance has improved and Aston Villa is also in a very bad moment, so that allows Chelsea to play more confidently in the match and get a better position than Aston Villa. It could also be said that Aston Villa was unlucky because they immediately lost momentum in the first half, but that's football, when you lose confidence, the whole strategy will be destroyed.

Aston Villa even scored first, with a very early goal at the 2nd minute but they collapsed after that by getting four conceded goals from Chelsea. Even so, even with this defeat, Aston Villa still have more points than Chelsea and Liverpool that are their advantage in race with these clubs to finish this season well enough within top four.

Chances open for Chelsea and Liverpool with only three points less than Aston Villa but this season no matter which ending they have, will still be a successful season for Aston Villa. However they will need to play very focusing and avoid similar mistake like Nottingham Forest last season with very bad decline in last weeks of season. If Aston Villa play acceptably in remaining matches, they don't have too small chance to achieve a wanted rank in top four.

[Leahized]

If it were last year, I might have said that Aston Villa would have a higher chance of winning because of Chelsea's inconsistent performance. But now Chelsea's performance has improved and Aston Villa is also in a very bad moment, so that allows Chelsea to play more confidently in the match and get a better position than Aston Villa. It could also be said that Aston Villa was unlucky because they immediately lost momentum in the first half, but that's football, when you lose confidence, the whole strategy will be destroyed.

To be honest, I haven't watched Chelsea and Aston Villa games in the past years. But following your words but it seems aston villa lost a lot with chelsea FC. Maybe aston villa performed well last year but not with chelsea FC. I checked the head to head history of chelsea vs aston villa and saw that total 63 matches were played out of which Chelsea won 32 matches and aston villa won 16 matches. So I think these two team will not be compatible in future.

[Shishir99]

Unfortunately, there are still a lot of people in this community who still wanted to take advantage of any casino. Meaning exploiting them as much as possible with their dubious schemes. I have seen a lot of scam accusations on almost all casinos. But majority of them are not surprised by that kind of attacks as casinos knows what their motivation are. And when asked for proved, those individuals can't proved anything except their words against the casino, and in the end, the community knows the real intention of this entities - to just have a smear campaign.

I agree with you on this.
There was a time when I was asking myself why the community does not support the players and tag the casino account right away when the scam accusation appears. Also, I was curious why the forum does not moderate scams while there are a lot of scammers. I myself figured out that there are a lot of scammers and the forum staff does not have enough time to moderate the scams.

Also, I have seen a lot of scam accusations that were created by the players, but they always write the story that makes them look like a victim. They never tell us the whole story. At the end of the day, we can see that the player gas guilty of wrongdoing.

[Obim34]

If it were last year, I might have said that Aston Villa would have a higher chance of winning because of Chelsea's inconsistent performance. But now Chelsea's performance has improved and Aston Villa is also in a very bad moment, so that allows Chelsea to play more confidently in the match and get a better position than Aston Villa. It could also be said that Aston Villa was unlucky because they immediately lost momentum in the first half, but that's football, when you lose confidence, the whole strategy will be destroyed.

Chelsea performance has not increased for me, last year Chelsea was able to complete the season within the top four teams of the season, for this season, i doubt if Chelsea can qualify for the Champions League with a top four qualification. It was also the previous season Chelsea competed for the Club World Cup, Chelsea are just average as per a big club in the league, winning Aston Villa shouldn't bring much celebration, playing Arsenal was what Chelsea needed to test their performance.

[BALIK]

Chelsea performance has not increased for me, last year Chelsea was able to complete the season within the top four teams of the season, for this season, i doubt if Chelsea can qualify for the Champions League with a top four qualification. It was also the previous season Chelsea competed for the Club World Cup, Chelsea are just average as per a big club in the league, winning Aston Villa shouldn't bring much celebration, playing Arsenal was what Chelsea needed to test their performance.

But judging Chelsea just by beating Aston Villa seem a little too hasty. There is still a long way to go in the season and the real game here is to perform consistently rather than a match or two. Of course it must be accepted that Chelsea is coming a little more in line than before the victory in that 4 - 1 with Aston Villa says that, with that one victory, they are back in the race of the European League and keep the hopes of the champions league alive.

But I have to say that they have not yet reached the level of giant like Arsenal or Man City. They still have to fight to stay in the top five but they are not absolute favourite. So Chelsea are not quite an average team rather they are trying to improve

Unfortunately, there are still a lot of people in this community who still wanted to take advantage of any casino. Meaning exploiting them as much as possible with their dubious schemes. I have seen a lot of scam accusations on almost all casinos. But majority of them are not surprised by that kind of attacks as casinos knows what their motivation are. And when asked for proved, those individuals can't proved anything except their words against the casino, and in the end, the community knows the real intention of this entities - to just have a smear campaign.

I agree with you on this.
There was a time when I was asking myself why the community does not support the players and tag the casino account right away when the scam accusation appears. Also, I was curious why the forum does not moderate scams while there are a lot of scammers. I myself figured out that there are a lot of scammers and the forum staff does not have enough time to moderate the scams.
Also, I have seen a lot of scam accusations that were created by the players, but they always write the story that makes them look like a victim. They never tell us the whole story. At the end of the day, we can see that the player gas guilty of wrongdoing.

What I have seen in scam accusation section, more than 80% of thread end with the accuser exposed as the rule breaker. My suggestion forum could use an AI mod for initial fact check to save our time, lol

[Wapfika]

Unfortunately, there are still a lot of people in this community who still wanted to take advantage of any casino. Meaning exploiting them as much as possible with their dubious schemes. I have seen a lot of scam accusations on almost all casinos. But majority of them are not surprised by that kind of attacks as casinos knows what their motivation are. And when asked for proved, those individuals can't proved anything except their words against the casino, and in the end, the community knows the real intention of this entities - to just have a smear campaign.

Also, I have seen a lot of scam accusations that were created by the players, but they always write the story that makes them look like a victim. They never tell us the whole story. At the end of the day, we can see that the player gas guilty of wrongdoing.

This problem makes scam accusation board hard to follow most of the time since most of the complainants are abusers that manipulating their story to create a fake scam story against the casino.

People with less experience on checking evidence can easily give support to a narrative that casino scamming user. I’m glad that we have many users that is good on detective works and active fighting scam for the community.

[bhadz]

Unfortunately, there are still a lot of people in this community who still wanted to take advantage of any casino. Meaning exploiting them as much as possible with their dubious schemes. I have seen a lot of scam accusations on almost all casinos. But majority of them are not surprised by that kind of attacks as casinos knows what their motivation are. And when asked for proved, those individuals can't proved anything except their words against the casino, and in the end, the community knows the real intention of this entities - to just have a smear campaign.

That's true. It's in general of those accusations that they have been so frustrated and puts the blame on the casino and when they're ignored. They're going to make the false and baseless accusations and when they're proved wrong by the casino, they can't provide any more details about it. While some of those can be true and they're only getting noticed when they make a noise and that's why they're getting that help in order also to help the reputation of the accused casino increase through that, although it's a normal public service per se.

[khaled0111]

^^
That’s why we need to hear from both parties and make sure we are fully informed about all the details before making a judgment.

Unfortunately, I have noticed that many users immediately side with the accuser (the user) without waiting for the other party to present its side of the story and what usually makes things even worse is the accused party (the casino) remaining silent.
Besides, many members lack the necessary experience to make an informed judgment. So it’s better to wait for more experienced members to give their stance, especially on complicated cases.

[Son Of Blockchain (SOB)]

^^
That’s why we need to hear from both parties and make sure we are fully informed about all the details before making a judgment.

Unfortunately, I have noticed that many users immediately side with the accuser (the user) without waiting for the other party to present its side of the story and what usually makes things even worse is the accused party (the casino) remaining silent.
Besides, many members lack the necessary experience to make an informed judgment. So it’s better to wait for more experienced members to give their stance, especially on complicated cases.

I need you to clarify me on something, what's the fate of the accuser if they're found guilty of lying against a casino (the accused) do they go unpunished if found guilty of lying or cheating a casino then try to drag them here?
 I asked because most casinos that are fraudulent have been banned from this forum whereas I've not come across any punishment for people who play the victims against casinos whereas they're the ones at fault.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I need you to clarify me on something, what's the fate of the accuser if they're found guilty of lying against a casino (the accused) do they go unpunished if found guilty of lying or cheating a casino then try to drag them here?

The tool used by forum members is trust tags in their profiles. In the case of someone who has falsely accused a casino and this can be proven, he will receive red tags on their profile.

I asked because most casinos that are fraudulent have been banned <...>

Really? Can you give us examples of such casinos? As far as I can remember, a casino widely known to be a scam like 1xBit has not been banned by the forum, and the only thing you will see is its various representatives with red tags on their profiles.

[Zoomic]

I need you to clarify me on something, what's the fate of the accuser if they're found guilty of lying against a casino (the accused) do they go unpunished if found guilty of lying or cheating a casino then try to drag them here?

Negative tag is always the -ve reward (punishment). Meanwhile, most of those false accusers appear with new accounts, so tagging the accounts will have no impact on them. It is easy to just make another account and continue to try their luck.

I asked because most casinos that are fraudulent have been banned from this forum whereas I've not come across any punishment for people who play the victims against casinos whereas they're the ones at fault.

I haven't heard of a banned casino. The forum does not moderate scam, so fraudulent casinos are also met with negative tags. And if they continue to promote despite the negative tags, the tags could be extended to their campaign participants just as mentioned by  Don Pedro Dinero in the case of 1xbit

[Zanab247]

If it were last year, I might have said that Aston Villa would have a higher chance of winning because of Chelsea's inconsistent performance. But now Chelsea's performance has improved and Aston Villa is also in a very bad moment, so that allows Chelsea to play more confidently in the match and get a better position than Aston Villa. It could also be said that Aston Villa was unlucky because they immediately lost momentum in the first half, but that's football, when you lose confidence, the whole strategy will be destroyed.

Chelsea performance has not increased for me, last year Chelsea was able to complete the season within the top four teams of the season, for this season, i doubt if Chelsea can qualify for the Champions League with a top four qualification. It was also the previous season Chelsea competed for the Club World Cup, Chelsea are just average as per a big club in the league, winning Aston Villa shouldn't bring much celebration, playing Arsenal was what Chelsea needed to test their performance.

Are you trying to say Chelsea is not playing well in this season? Hope you know that no matter all the performance all the clubs are displaying in this season is only one club that will lift the trophy, and even though Chelsea is not going to lift the premier league trophy there is a hope that Chelsea will make a good result that will make people to believe on Chelsea. So you don't believe in Chelsea for mentioning 4th position for Chelsea show that you don't wish Chelsea well  in the remaining games.

You think winning club that remain in third position for long  is a weak club? Aston villa is among some strong club other clubs are afraid to meet in any game, because they know how strong their players are in a game and they can do anything to secure victory at the end.

[Shishir99]

This problem makes scam accusation board hard to follow most of the time since most of the complainants are abusers that manipulating their story to create a fake scam story against the casino.

People with less experience on checking evidence can easily give support to a narrative that casino scamming user. I’m glad that we have many users that is good on detective works and active fighting scam for the community.

Exactly.
So, we need to take time, see the responses from both parties, and then come to a conclusion. Unfortunately, most casino representatives do not post their responses in the scam accusation threads. For example, look at the scam accusation board today, there are dozens of scam accusations against BC game, which keep raising every week, but we do not see bc game representative writing their response in those threads.

I am kind of confident that the BC game is ruined and they will be kicked out of the forum very soon. Community members won't stay silent for long. The scam accusation against them are coming for years and they didn't solved them.

[Dave1]

This problem makes scam accusation board hard to follow most of the time since most of the complainants are abusers that manipulating their story to create a fake scam story against the casino.

People with less experience on checking evidence can easily give support to a narrative that casino scamming user. I’m glad that we have many users that is good on detective works and active fighting scam for the community.

Exactly.
So, we need to take time, see the responses from both parties, and then come to a conclusion. Unfortunately, most casino representatives do not post their responses in the scam accusation threads. For example, look at the scam accusation board today, there are dozens of scam accusations against BC game, which keep raising every week, but we do not see bc game representative writing their response in those threads.

I am kind of confident that the BC game is ruined and they will be kicked out of the forum very soon. Community members won't stay silent for long. The scam accusation against them are coming for years and they didn't solved them.

Perhaps they feel that they don't need to respond, but I would agree that if you stay and keep silent then there will be suspicions on their part. Nevertheless, we've seen multiple scams on a certain casinos, specially new one and most of them, haven't a proof and it looks like there are entity behind to demolished their competition.

So the community is still divided, unless that there are enough proof that casino blatantly not allowing someone to withdraw because they've won too big. And if this evidence sticks then the reputation of that casino is ruined and it might take some time before they can recover or not.

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[Itz-prisigold]

Perhaps they feel that they don't need to respond, but I would agree that if you stay and keep silent then there will be suspicions on their part. Nevertheless, we've seen multiple scams on a certain casinos, specially new one and most of them, haven't a proof and it looks like there are entity behind to demolished their competition.

So the community is still divided, unless that there are enough proof that casino blatantly not allowing someone to withdraw because they've won too big. And if this evidence sticks then the reputation of that casino is ruined and it might take some time before they can recover or not.

You made a good point,  silence from a casino rep can look suspicious, most especially in a place like the forum, where transparency is one of the important things here. When someone accused a casino about a particular thing, and the casino team decides to remain silent,  people will just start to assume the worst, even if this situation could be explained from another perspective, people are likely to assume the worst.

I agree with you that not every accusation means that the casino is guilty,  we have seen several situations where accusations have been made without any strong evidence. We have seen where unhappy players or competitors can exaggerate the situation.  This is why the community is encouraged to analyze the situation in detail before coming to a conclusion.

That said,  in a situation where the casino keeps ignoring complaints or consistently fails to deal with cases where players are unable to withdraw their winnings,  this will ultimately hurt its reputation. This also applies to the casino's trust with players because trust is the foundation of any gambling platform and once that trust is damaged then it will be very hard to rebuild it. As a general rule,  the best thing a casino can do in these situations is to respond  and clarify the matter  instead of staying silent.

[Zoomic]

This problem makes scam accusation board hard to follow most of the time since most of the complainants are abusers that manipulating their story to create a fake scam story against the casino.

People with less experience on checking evidence can easily give support to a narrative that casino scamming user. I’m glad that we have many users that is good on detective works and active fighting scam for the community.

Exactly.
So, we need to take time, see the responses from both parties, and then come to a conclusion. Unfortunately, most casino representatives do not post their responses in the scam accusation threads. For example, look at the scam accusation board today, there are dozens of scam accusations against BC game, which keep raising every week, but we do not see bc game representative writing their response in those threads.

I am kind of confident that the BC game is ruined and they will be kicked out of the forum very soon. Community members won't stay silent for long. The scam accusation against them are coming for years and they didn't solved them.

I have read where someone pointed out that the reason some casino representatives don't come out readily to defend allegations/accusations against them is because when a thread is opened against them, some over zealous campaign participants who doesn't posses skill in investigating matters will immediately attack the complainant and when the casino sees that people are defending them already, they will remain mute.

For the case of BC.Game, I remember somewhere last year when majority of the complaints in the scam board was about them, some community users argued the following:
1. BC.Game was growing massively, that it wasn't strange for them to lead in the statistics of complaints, because they receive most traffic.
2. Some said the attack might be from alleged competitors.
It has been long I followed up the scam accusation board, I don't have a fair knowledge of what is happening there now.

[Bitz_Casino]

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