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April 04, 2024, 08:25:27 PM
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So I happened to watch a UFC related movie yesterday and the main character is a very strong one who never loses a fight but during a fight he decided to lose the fight, I found out that he did it intentionally because his uncle and his uncle's friend bet a lot on the biggest odd, which is the other fighter.

He lost the fight and he still made a lot of money from his uncle and his uncle's friend, how brilliant? Since they use a large amount and also on the biggest odd, but I think about the other gamblers who chose to bet on him because there was assurance that he would win the fight.

Now I started to think about the real life UFC, maybe this is even happening underground and we don't know? Jake and Mike Tyson's upcoming fight for example is gearing up, many believe that Mike will win, but maybe something like this will happen?

Many gamblers are placing bets on this fighter since its more reliable than you against the casino games, this is all about agility and skills, but the possibility of intent loss to make more money is also possible in this game, what's your take on this?
Rigged matches have always been a problem, but since the gambling industry has gotten more popular during the last decades, this has in return increased the problem, as now now there is an economic incentive to know the outcome of the match before it takes place, and there have been several infamous cases like that before, which raises the question, if this is what we know then how many matches could have been fixed and we never knew this happened? And unfortunately the reality is that such a number is many times higher than what we may imagine.

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April 04, 2024, 08:29:19 PM
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Well, the truth is that, these players and athletes have a name to protect, a reputation to build and a career to grow and most times, you ain’t expect them to just throw it away and these is one major reason boxers aren’t allowed to gamble not only on their matches but also in over matches.
I do understand the fact that, rigging and match buying are still going on but I don’t think, it will be on major players like this as both boxers will be fighting passionately to add a feather to their names and not getting bribed over some few thousand.

Most times, what is been acted actually happens in real life, but most times, we should also try as mush as possible to not compare real life experiences with movie scenes.

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April 04, 2024, 08:31:06 PM
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This could really be true, we couldn't even know if the fight result is real, I mean if the players are just giving us a show and making it looks like it was a close fight.
It could happen in tournaments or famous athletes, some could pay up or bribe the players to make sure they win.



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April 04, 2024, 08:34:36 PM
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I don't really know if such things can happen on real UFC, it's a game of competition and lot of people and fans are betting on them and really really they want to win so that they can be able to take the cup. I haven't seen  much bigger odds on soccer games and I don't like betting on them very big ones because their possibilities or losing is more bigger than the winning attempts. Most of them can not play well with the ones who's odds is smaller and the odds from any betting sites about a club is totally depends on the performance of the club management and the the players also.
What you experienced can only happened on a boxing games because it's about two people fighting against each other, and one can decide to give up for the other and the other will want to win and get the money.

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April 04, 2024, 08:41:22 PM
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So I happened to watch a UFC related movie yesterday and the main character is a very strong one who never loses a fight but during a fight he decided to lose the fight, I found out that he did it intentionally because his uncle and his uncle's friend bet a lot on the biggest odd, which is the other fighter.

He lost the fight and he still made a lot of money from his uncle and his uncle's friend, how brilliant? Since they use a large amount and also on the biggest odd, but I think about the other gamblers who chose to bet on him because there was assurance that he would win the fight.

Now I started to think about the real life UFC, maybe this is even happening underground and we don't know? Jake and Mike Tyson's upcoming fight for example is gearing up, many believe that Mike will win, but maybe something like this will happen?

Many gamblers are placing bets on this fighter since its more reliable than you against the casino games, this is all about agility and skills, but the possibility of intent loss to make more money is also possible in this game, what's your take on this?
This here is just a typical example of proof that there's no certainty in gambling, anything can happen at any time. This even happens in football or soccer sometimes. I'm not saying that teams are being bribed to lose on purpose, no, all I'm saying is that you'll see situations where a very weak team will just come out of no where and beat a stronger team, and this often happens when people do not expect. That's why it's always advisable to bet with an amount you can afford to lose and not going ahead to take a tremendous risk that you know too well would affect your finance immensely or your relationship with someone or people around you, simply because you believe that you're 100% sure the team you're betting on would win. This is too much of a risk to take because nothing is sure in the world of gambling.

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April 04, 2024, 08:58:00 PM
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I think it's very likely to happen or may have happened in some fighting competitions or other sports, and I see it as a pretty clever strategy where popularity is secondary and money comes first. Most people would probably prefer a fighter who has a bigger winning potential from his track record so they prefer that fighter to bet on but without them knowing that there is a strategy that is running behind the scenes which is obviously a clever idea about cheating that is very possible in a competition.

But I think this kind of strategy can only be done when you know the fighter or at least you have made an agreement with him behind the scenes about the profit sharing, but on the other hand I think this kind of situation is quite unlikely to happen in some major sports especially if the fighter already has popularity and a very good track record where actions like this can bring down their achievements in the world of sports, I understand that money is everything but building popularity cannot be done with just money.

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April 04, 2024, 09:06:51 PM
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Now I started to think about the real life UFC, maybe this is even happening underground and we don't know? Jake and Mike Tyson's upcoming fight for example is gearing up, many believe that Mike will win, but maybe something like this will happen?
Maybe, who knows. I am curious why would people bet on an obvious exhibition match like this.

So I happened to watch a UFC related movie yesterday and the main character is a very strong one who never loses a fight but during a fight he decided to lose the fight, I found out that he did it intentionally because his uncle and his uncle's friend bet a lot on the biggest odd, which is the other fighter.
I believe this is illegal in professional match, the player must not intentionally lose the fight and his relatives must not bet on his match. That's why most casinos ask KYC to prevent from this kind to happen.
Yes, this is illegal and if you are found out to be doing it, you'll most likely get fined and banned for certain amount of time or for life, they could get into a legal battle against the organization where the athlete plays at. that being said, I am not sure if relatives betting on them would have the same punishment as the athlete if they are found out.

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April 04, 2024, 09:30:34 PM
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It probably happens quite a few times? Mostly in lower-level matches imo. Afaik it's pretty damn rampant during a sort of qualifiers tournament in the China eSports LoL scene, which some current players were discovered to be a part of (I forgot their names, was just a part of some eSports news that I randomly watched). Ofc if caught, it's an instant fee or maybe even permanently banned from said tournaments and other future ones. So yes, it happens, but we can't exactly know if it does until revealed, if even revealed.

I don't expect the famous ones to be participating in it since they already earn much more so I don't think there's any reason or purpose to trying to risk their entire reputation for one match.

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April 04, 2024, 09:51:39 PM
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All these are happening in real life, that's what we called a rigged fight or game. There are rumors about that in any kind of sports, so it's not new at all. As a gambler, we should consider the possibiilty that any game could be rigged, and there's no time for us to comply othewise it will only distract us and we will keep losing, thing we should do here is just bet on the right side by considering all the factors involved, including a possible rigged.

That's the life of a gambler, we never know if a game is rigged or not, but even so, there's still no assurance that the fighter we trusted to win is guaranteed to win, you know, there's this thing called an upset which underdog wins but most of us doesn't bet on underdog.
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The UFC is all about business and many fighters utilise this to their own gain by deceiving the spectators and even the organizers of the game. I believe in every game and sports, their are rules which prevents players from cheating. I am curious to know if there are penalties for players who intentionally lose their fights just to deceive the spectators and gain more money. Gamblers who bet on these kinds of games should accept the outcome because they wouldn't  be  complaining if the act of deceit by the fighters  turned out to be in their favour. It is called gambling because it is difficult to predetermine the outcome of a particular game and there is still no guarantee that the fighter we expect to win will be strong enough to fight.


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Unfortunately, you can never know if there is a fraudulent agreement between two players/teams.
It exists and is also very frequent in some regions of the world and minor leagues (so much... that betting is not possible or odds are very low)

if you see something unbalanced well most of the times is pretty clear to see a rigged match.
if you don't have "insider information" the only way to understand the market is to look at the odds and the amounts..
there are several videos that explain how to observe the odds with geektoys / betfair.com

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So I happened to watch a UFC related movie yesterday and the main character is a very strong one who never loses a fight but during a fight he decided to lose the fight, I found out that he did it intentionally because his uncle and his uncle's friend bet a lot on the biggest odd, which is the other fighter.

He lost the fight and he still made a lot of money from his uncle and his uncle's friend, how brilliant? Since they use a large amount and also on the biggest odd, but I think about the other gamblers who chose to bet on him because there was assurance that he would win the fight.

Now I started to think about the real life UFC, maybe this is even happening underground and we don't know? Jake and Mike Tyson's upcoming fight for example is gearing up, many believe that Mike will win, but maybe something like this will happen?

Many gamblers are placing bets on this fighter since its more reliable than you against the casino games, this is all about agility and skills, but the possibility of intent loss to make more money is also possible in this game, what's your take on this?
I only place low wagers on fights due to the fact that they could be fixed. I don't think Dana White would allow it and would likely ban a fighter for life if he found out, but I'm sure that it has happened.

Far as Jake Paul and Tyson goes, Tyson would kill him if they were going at it. I am pretty sure they are just doing a glorified sparring match and Jake is supposed to be the winner. It's a joke.
I don't really know much about the UFC rule but base on your reply I can say no sport allow the sports men and women to place bet on themselves though I guess they bet on other games while their relative or friends placing a bet on their game is also not allowed and players caught faces punishment for it, this is from my knowledge from football but I guessed it holds the  same on  every sport

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April 04, 2024, 10:40:45 PM
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So I happened to watch a UFC related movie yesterday and the main character is a very strong one who never loses a fight but during a fight he decided to lose the fight, I found out that he did it intentionally because his uncle and his uncle's friend bet a lot on the biggest odd, which is the other fighter.
When you mentioned UFC related movie, what came to my mind was "RoadHouse" as I just watched  it recently but unfortunately don't remember story line being this way...care to share the name of this movie  Cool

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Now I started to think about the real life UFC, maybe this is even happening underground and we don't know? Jake and Mike Tyson's upcoming fight for example is gearing up, many believe that Mike will win, but maybe something like this will happen?
All I will say is don't trust these exhibition matches because end result will always shock you!!!
Btw had this match being a real punch for punch boxing 🥊 match Iron Mike would take it any day but parading the Legend this way against clowns like Jake should tell you it's for entertainment purposes and money raising venture!!!

Many gamblers are placing bets on this fighter since its more reliable than you against the casino games, this is all about agility and skills, but the possibility of intent loss to make more money is also possible in this game, what's your take on this?
It's matches like this that are easy to fix, settle for a draw and all punters lose money with the inner circle benefiting.

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Now I started to think about the real life UFC, maybe this is even happening underground and we don't know? Jake and Mike Tyson's upcoming fight for example is gearing up, many believe that Mike will win, but maybe something like this will happen?

Many gamblers are placing bets on this fighter since its more reliable than you against the casino games, this is all about agility and skills, but the possibility of intent loss to make more money is also possible in this game, what's your take on this?

It does happen in some sports today. It’s actually nothing new as match fixing has been going on nearly as long as people are willing to place bets.
Talking about the UFC, I doubt there could be cases of match fixing as it’s widely watched and scrutinized by everyone. Match fixing may still go on today but perhaps in somewhat unknown leagues and small teams.

About the fight between Jake and Mike, it’s obvious Mike cannot beat Jake. But then again, It’s an exhibition fight.
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If you're an MMA fan, watching a set fight is nothing new, just like any sport, because it just happens. Not every match is suspect, but there are some matches with questionable results. Everyone wonders when watching a fight where a seemingly weaker opponent wins or where financial gain takes precedence over the fight itself, it raises a lot of eyebrows. In the same way, mysterious mistakes in top football competitions can evoke doubts. That's also the reason I don't often watch friendly matches. Their emphasis on fun rather than just the competitive nature of the game tends to make them weaker targets and easier to manipulate. Lower stakes in a fight can promote a stronger thrust to land some punches.









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I think the plan of the uncle and the friend were link to him and that was why he loss the fight to surprise them. If not he would have still fighting with his opponent with a good fight and his uncle and friend would have won him. It is a good calculation. Those who bet on him would loss and that is another part of gambling it is either you lose or you wins. And other y were saying it is 50/50. and may be they have been also winning all these while when they were betting on him too. In any sport the participant must first think of themselves before the fans.

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Many gamblers are placing bets on this fighter since its more reliable than you against the casino games, this is all about agility and skills, but the possibility of intent loss to make more money is also possible in this game, what's your take on this?

If this is proven to be true and facts leaked from previous fights, then this will only lead to so much hate and boycotting from the game of professionals especially in UFC or any professional boxing match. With regards to skill, fighters can chose whom they are going to fight depending on their condition which can give them great advantage.

About the exhibition fight of Tyson and Paul, I just hope that won't be a cocky fight or entertainment fight. And whomever wins on that fight, both of them would truly make large amount of money.

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Everything's possible, but in a professional match, fighters are not just focused on their immediate monetary prize. Winning a fight means a lot. It means having a better record. It means you're rising through the ranks. It means you're one step closer to a championship fight, or becoming a star or a celebrity. It means you could fight the biggest name in the sport. This goes on. And all this implies bigger money, higher paycheck. Not to mention that this is also about your name, your pride, your legacy. So, why would you sacrifice all this for the sake of a single bet?

But, yeah, this might not apply to exhibition matches and those that are more of a joke like Jake Paul's fights.

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Many decades ago, mafia families used to have a lot of control over boxing. There are even allegations that Muhammad Ali won the heavyweight title against Sonny Liston in a fixed match. The Wikipedia article on this rivalry is fascinating to read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_vs._Sonny_Liston

It is entirely possible that fixed fights are still happening today. Most top UFC fighters are not likely to throw a fight because it would ruin their career, but an undercard fighter who knows they won’t ever become champion could probably get away with acting like they are hurt to force a stoppage.

Exhibition fights like Tyson vs. Paul, I almost expect them to be rigged. These fights are unregulated and there is no obligation for them to have a fair fight. You are taking a risk if you are gambling on these fights. Jake Paul, an NFT scammer, is the exact type of person who would resort to doing something shady for the sake of profit.

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So I happened to watch a UFC related movie yesterday and the main character is a very strong one who never loses a fight but during a fight he decided to lose the fight, I found out that he did it intentionally because his uncle and his uncle's friend bet a lot on the biggest odd, which is the other fighter.

He lost the fight and he still made a lot of money from his uncle and his uncle's friend, how brilliant? Since they use a large amount and also on the biggest odd, but I think about the other gamblers who chose to bet on him because there was assurance that he would win the fight.

Now I started to think about the real life UFC, maybe this is even happening underground and we don't know? Jake and Mike Tyson's upcoming fight for example is gearing up, many believe that Mike will win, but maybe something like this will happen?

Many gamblers are placing bets on this fighter since its more reliable than you against the casino games, this is all about agility and skills, but the possibility of intent loss to make more money is also possible in this game, what's your take on this?

Yeah this is a big problem in sports betting which made me be more cautious when considering placing larger bets. It's not only in UFC or boxing where one fighter can decide to intentionally to throw a fight. Every athelete can decide to not give his 100% during a game and let the other team win. Of course having family members placing money on your own games which you can influence seem like a violation of professional code of conduct and should lead to some leagal consequences. Are you really willing to risk your whole sports career for manipulating games? Given the large sums of money involved in sports betting, there are many people keeping a close eye on the matches that everything is legit. When I first started out with sports betting I thought that in todays world the manipulating of games would not happen anymore. Unfortunately, this is not true and every year there are new big cases coming out where people managed to throw a game and profit of it. Which is why we need to be cautious and not only focus on our own skill finding the right teams.
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