More revelations on the challenges of physical casinos

[sompitonov]

It was very sad to hear such an incident. Unfortunately, some agents prioritize their greed over winning their customers fairly. I think online platforms are better than physical gambling. It has a history of every transaction and there is less risk involved.

I think differently about this. The online gambling platform doesn't seem very secure compared to the traditional gambling methods, which have offices and agents representing them.
 
Most of those online casinos you are seeing don't even have a physical office, so if you have any problem or issue, there is no place to report it other than waiting for them to reply to your complaint.
 
But aside from all these agents who are looking for ways to milk gamblers, it's hard to see them run with your money. I didn't say it's not possible, but it's hard compared to the way most new online casinos just run and stop paying winnings.

I also think that an online casino can open and close under different sites, but the owners will be the same. In addition, there are cases where unscrupulous owners launder money in this way, I really don’t like this. Therefore, before playing in an online casino, you need to look for a lot of information about what kind of casino it is and who the owners are. With physical casinos everything is much simpler; it is often clear who the owner is. You can also visually understand that if the casino is located in a terrible area, then I would doubt its honesty, because it will be a place of attraction for various dubious personalities and other dirt. What I definitely wouldn't do is go into it, it's better to only go into good and safe areas.

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[Hispo]

It is possible situation. But it only shows that we can`t believe such bookies/casinos, and bank card can`t help in such situation. It means only that we must choose seriously the place where we bet. As we see, the best way would be to avoid small local casinos or different franchises casinos. Big bookie will care about his reputation and avoid such situations.

Sure, I agree with you in that matter. A big, reputable casino or sport book with a long track record will certainly care if people started to question for legitimacy because they decided not to pay some money to a winner.
Though, we should also keep in mind the implications of centralized systems in the long term when comes to betting and gambling, there will be people within this community who may not feel completely comfortable with fully centralized bookies, perhaps that is why there is a niche market for so-called decentralized casinos and betting webpages.

Even though those big casinos have ended up proving their reliability several times in the past, the extreme centralization and the fact there is a KYC system to co only with, could turn some gamblers away from some platforms. It is not my case, but I am sure it happens more than once.

Yeah, i see it often enough. I don`t understand why users are so afraid of KYC, but it is their choice and i can`t and mustn`t make them change it. If we use big casino we mostly protected from the main part of risks and i think that it is normally to KYC - it is fair price for your safety.

For some people it is a fair trade off, their personal information in exchange for being able to enjoy of a very solid and reoutable service. Though, it is about the existence of people within the gambling community and the cryptocurrency community who are simply not willing to hand over their information because they are aware that I formation will never leave internet once it is online, your know.

There are services like casinos, exchanges and digital wallets which assure their users they can request to delete their personal information at request, after deleting their accounts permanently, but in reality since that KYC information is likely shared with regulators and inteligente services, it is never gone for good and we get forever in a database. That is what some gamblers are afraid of when comes to those KYC protocols.
It I might not be a big problem for neither you nor I, but it is for them.

[Ambatman]

People still get cheated from their own funds in online casinos.
The difference between both is you can be hurt physically in a physical casino unlike ones online.
Like has been pointed out
It should be a betting agent and stealing #16M that's alot of courage especially when your information could be traced in the database.
One thing is to win Big
The Other is to hope you receive Big.
Betting risk doesn't just end in making bets but getting your funds
Some can be so shameless in creating a rule that you violated or using some kind of a limit.

[coin-investor]

I think the agent wanted to steal the entire money but due to the pressure from the court, he has to return part of it. I see this as a warning on the dangers of greedy agents in physical gambling platforms.

Source: https://twitter.com/General_Oluchi/status/1782027404027797716

There's probably a syndicate behind this and also an anomaly, if the court has seen all the pieces of evidence and the bettor proved that he is the real winner then all winnings should go to him, the proof of the burden should be on the gambling operator that the money was already withdrawn by someone else, the court is wrong here to find people who withdraw the money.

The head office should hold the branch operator liable for not paying the winner because they will lose the reputation of the company and the trust of the bettors.

This has never happened in my country because if it's a big amount the payor is the head office, the victim should pursue the case in the higher court and ask them to revoke the license of the branch and pay for the damages, there's injustice here, bettors should not bet on this shop and they should protest the shop, this could happen again to any of their bettors.

[paxmao]

The popularity of online gambling platform have been on the increase for a while now thereby creating several arguments between them and the  physical outlets in terms of which is the best. There was an incidence I saw on twitter this money that made me decide to create this post so anyone who is bent on using physical shops should be cautious.

According to the tweet and the victim narration, he bet the game in a physical shop and won N16,700,000 (~$13,500) but the agent of the shop refused to pay him even after the betting company from their head office instructed him to pay. Not that the company did not pay the agent, they paid but the agent refused to pay him saying that someone else have come to withdraw the money. He approached the court only to get N3,000,000( $2,400) out of the total winning and was asked to go and look for the people that withdrew that money. Normally, when there is winning, the only way to withdraw is to tender the ticket to the agents who will take the ticket before paying the winning. So I do not know how someone will withdraw the winning of another and what the person used to make the withdrawal. I think the agent wanted to steal the entire money but due to the pressure from the court, he has to return part of it. I see this as a warning on the dangers of greedy agents in physical gambling platforms.

Source: https://twitter.com/General_Oluchi/status/1782027404027797716

That is a quite surprising event, normally the legit agents would honour a ticket to the extent possible - they may not have the full amount or whatever - they can get in a lot of trouble and suffer demands and income loss if they fail to do so. But I would not take this isolated fact as a post on "limitations of physical" casinos, but rather as something you need to be aware of in case.

[Pumared]

The popularity of online gambling platform have been on the increase for a while now thereby creating several arguments between them and the  physical outlets in terms of which is the best. There was an incidence I saw on twitter this money that made me decide to create this post so anyone who is bent on using physical shops should be cautious.

According to the tweet and the victim narration, he bet the game in a physical shop and won N16,700,000 (~$13,500) but the agent of the shop refused to pay him even after the betting company from their head office instructed him to pay. Not that the company did not pay the agent, they paid but the agent refused to pay him saying that someone else have come to withdraw the money. He approached the court only to get N3,000,000( $2,400) out of the total winning and was asked to go and look for the people that withdrew that money. Normally, when there is winning, the only way to withdraw is to tender the ticket to the agents who will take the ticket before paying the winning. So I do not know how someone will withdraw the winning of another and what the person used to make the withdrawal. I think the agent wanted to steal the entire money but due to the pressure from the court, he has to return part of it. I see this as a warning on the dangers of greedy agents in physical gambling platforms.

Source: https://twitter.com/General_Oluchi/status/1782027404027797716

That's why it's so important to only use trustworthy casinos, both physical and online. Because from what I understand, he ended up betting with bookmakers, which is totally different from casinos, etc. Because of this, I always recommend online casinos, as it is the most practical way to do this without headaches.

[Dunamisx]

The popularity of online gambling platform have been on the increase for a while now thereby creating several arguments between them and the  physical outlets in terms of which is the best. There was an incidence I saw on twitter this money that made me decide to create this post so anyone who is bent on using physical shops should be cautious.

Is there any Argument happening between the user of online gambling platforms and the physical ones, i think what everyone go for is what they feels best for them, also, a times, the circumstance around us may determine the platform we are going to use for gambling especially when we are having challenges from gambling due to any unforeseen circumstances, we may only be left to result into the alternative means in other for us to gamble. 

[famososMuertos]

This type of thing happens in all countries, not just in the third world, there are "lazy" people who, for some reason, do not want to log in to an online casino, or do not like to go to a physical casino, or They simply do not have access to the aforementioned, but they do have access to these bookmakers, which you can access by text message, a phone call (old school) or they simply make an assigned betting route, neighborhoods, communes, urbanization, whatever where you are and they take your bet, but not only that, they take your home address, work address and worse still your privacy.

One of the "advantages" that this type of bets have with these "mobile casinos" is that when you are a customer they give you credit, then, a phone call, the text message (MSM), Whatsapp, Telegram, are enough to receive the size of your bet.

This issue has nothing to do with your region, nor the particular story you tell, it is common sense, we even recently experienced a case of betting with sports "agents", as happened with Shohei Ohtani's assistant.

[Hispo]

This type of thing happens in all countries, not just in the third world, there are "lazy" people who, for some reason, do not want to log in to an online casino, or do not like to go to a physical casino, or They simply do not have access to the aforementioned, but they do have access to these bookmakers, which you can access by text message, a phone call (old school) or they simply make an assigned betting route, neighborhoods, communes, urbanization, whatever where you are and they take your bet, but not only that, they take your home address, work address and worse still your privacy.

One of the "advantages" that this type of bets have with these "mobile casinos" is that when you are a customer they give you credit, then, a phone call, the text message (MSM), Whatsapp, Telegram, are enough to receive the size of your bet.

This issue has nothing to do with your region, nor the particular story you tell, it is common sense, we even recently experienced a case of betting with sports "agents", as happened with Shohei Ohtani's assistant.

Even though I agree with you this kind of issue is not exclusive from developing countries or the so-called "third world". I believe it is more likely to happen in those countries, I instead of developed countries, because of how the justice system operates and how quickly moves in countries within the European Union l when compared to other countries. Also, even if I am overestimating the speed of the law in developed countries, there is also the fact there is crippling corruption in countries within Latin America and Africa. So those who are behind the betting place could bribe authorities for them to not get effectively prosecuted by not giving the money they own to the winner of those bets.

It is something I would not expect to read coming from Spain, for example.
I believe the national and societal context of these cases is important.

Also, I agree with you. I don't quite understand why people risk to have a lackluster gambling and betting experience with devious services when they could easily sign up on online bookies of very good reputation. To each their own, I guess...

[Russlenat]

I think the agent wanted to steal the entire money but due to the pressure from the court, he has to return part of it. I see this as a warning on the dangers of greedy agents in physical gambling platforms.

Source: https://twitter.com/General_Oluchi/status/1782027404027797716

There's probably a syndicate behind this and also an anomaly, if the court has seen all the pieces of evidence and the bettor proved that he is the real winner then all winnings should go to him, the proof of the burden should be on the gambling operator that the money was already withdrawn by someone else, the court is wrong here to find people who withdraw the money.

The head office should hold the branch operator liable for not paying the winner because they will lose the reputation of the company and the trust of the bettors.

This has never happened in my country because if it's a big amount the payor is the head office, the victim should pursue the case in the higher court and ask them to revoke the license of the branch and pay for the damages, there's injustice here, bettors should not bet on this shop and they should protest the shop, this could happen again to any of their bettors.

I can see the corruption here as even the authorities or the court made a decision in favor of the betting agent. As stated in the OP, the winner got the ticket, and that should be a valid basis that he had won a bet and had to claim the entire winning. If someone had already claim then the lapses should be blame on the agent and it should not compromise the winning of the real winner. Not sure what is the court structure in Nigeria, but if it's in my country, when you are not satisfied with the decision of the certain court, you can file a case again and elevate it to the higher court, and the winner has to make sure that he'll add to his claim all the incident cost like filing a case, lawyer's fee and etc, so he'll come up with zero expenses when he'll be able to claim his entire winning.

[AmoreJaz]

This type of thing happens in all countries, not just in the third world, there are "lazy" people who, for some reason, do not want to log in to an online casino, or do not like to go to a physical casino, or They simply do not have access to the aforementioned, but they do have access to these bookmakers, which you can access by text message, a phone call (old school) or they simply make an assigned betting route, neighborhoods, communes, urbanization, whatever where you are and they take your bet, but not only that, they take your home address, work address and worse still your privacy.

One of the "advantages" that this type of bets have with these "mobile casinos" is that when you are a customer they give you credit, then, a phone call, the text message (MSM), Whatsapp, Telegram, are enough to receive the size of your bet.

This issue has nothing to do with your region, nor the particular story you tell, it is common sense, we even recently experienced a case of betting with sports "agents", as happened with Shohei Ohtani's assistant.

Ohtani's case is really controversial, given that this athlete is still young and because of his PA, he got involved into gambling controversy. So if what he is saying is true and he has nothing to do with gambling, then, his lawyers can absolve his case. And this is a very good example that you can really encounter issues in sportsbetting. Especially if you are surrounded with illegal bookmakers and people who will take advantage of your status. Sportsbetting itself is not a problem but the people who are involve in this activity.

I think this is the advantage of using online bookies, you can already see if they are legit or not, by their gambling license logo or via their reputation. Nowadays, it is too easy to have a quick search of the bookies' reputation.  

[mak013]

Yeah, i see it often enough. I don`t understand why users are so afraid of KYC, but it is their choice and i can`t and mustn`t make them change it. If we use big casino we mostly protected from the main part of risks and i think that it is normally to KYC - it is fair price for your safety.

For some people it is a fair trade off, their personal information in exchange for being able to enjoy of a very solid and reoutable service. Though, it is about the existence of people within the gambling community and the cryptocurrency community who are simply not willing to hand over their information because they are aware that I formation will never leave internet once it is online, your know.

There are services like casinos, exchanges and digital wallets which assure their users they can request to delete their personal information at request, after deleting their accounts permanently, but in reality since that KYC information is likely shared with regulators and inteligente services, it is never gone for good and we get forever in a database. That is what some gamblers are afraid of when comes to those KYC protocols.
It I might not be a big problem for neither you nor I, but it is for them.

I gave an example here, how i found in DarkNet ID of my mate, who doesn`t use internet. I think that one of banks lost it. It shows that our private data is in internet, even without KYC in some casino. Of course, if we leave it in lots of places, the chance it would be stolen increases, but i think that the main part of us too often leave it to be afraid of KYC today. But everybody can has his own opinion, so let it be so.

About deleting information - i tried it several times and never it was deleted. They have to delete it, if you ask, they say "ok", but never delete it.

[bSpend]

Yeah, i see it often enough. I don`t understand why users are so afraid of KYC, but it is their choice and i can`t and mustn`t make them change it. If we use big casino we mostly protected from the main part of risks and i think that it is normally to KYC - it is fair price for your safety.

For some people it is a fair trade off, their personal information in exchange for being able to enjoy of a very solid and reoutable service. Though, it is about the existence of people within the gambling community and the cryptocurrency community who are simply not willing to hand over their information because they are aware that I formation will never leave internet once it is online, your know.

There are services like casinos, exchanges and digital wallets which assure their users they can request to delete their personal information at request, after deleting their accounts permanently, but in reality since that KYC information is likely shared with regulators and inteligente services, it is never gone for good and we get forever in a database. That is what some gamblers are afraid of when comes to those KYC protocols.
It I might not be a big problem for neither you nor I, but it is for them.

I gave an example here, how i found in DarkNet ID of my mate, who doesn`t use internet. I think that one of banks lost it. It shows that our private data is in internet, even without KYC in some casino. Of course, if we leave it in lots of places, the chance it would be stolen increases, but i think that the main part of us too often leave it to be afraid of KYC today. But everybody can has his own opinion, so let it be so.

About deleting information - i tried it several times and never it was deleted. They have to delete it, if you ask, they say "ok", but never delete it.

One thing I think we all must realize is that, our information, or private information is Definitely someehere online somehow, and it doesn't matter whether we never did use online platforms and kyced on them, casino or exchanges, as far as we have accounts with physical establishments like the banks, and other government agencies, even the companies where worked or work, any of this platforms can be hacked, and customers or workers private information can be stolen, and they won't let any one know about it.
Or sometimes,, they can even be the ones that sell their users or customers private information to third parties for monetary reward.

So, for a person to have zero chances of having their private information appear online somewhere, then such a person must live completely isolated from all activities that involves him or her signing up any platform, online or offline.

[Dunamisx]

Sometimes, when we don't know our rights, we will be deprived of them, some people were known for this, they can psych you and monitor you to the extent of taking advantage over you if you actually fall in for their trick on you, that is why we have to understand gambling by ourself, do it without depending on others and know what is at stake or being involved upon every decision being made, so that others could not take advantage over us to ride on what is our right.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

According to the tweet and the victim narration, he bet the game in a physical shop and won N16,700,000 (~$13,500) but the agent of the shop refused to pay him even after the betting company from their head office instructed him to pay. Not that the company did not pay the agent, they paid but the agent refused to pay him saying that someone else have come to withdraw the money. He approached the court only to get N3,000,000( $2,400) out of the total winning and was asked to go and look for the people that withdrew that money.

Speaking from first hand experience, I must say that ever since the establishment of physical betting centers in all nooks and cranny of my country, there have been no week which passes by without a complain/issue between gamblers and owners of betting centers popularly known as (i.e Bet9ja, BetKing and Betway) when a huge sum of money is won, as it will be said that either the owner of the betting shop ran away with the money, or he/she is refusing to pay the exact winning amount. Which in most case has always been the disadvantage of using a physical gambling center,  as you do not have control over your bet/winning, unlike if it was done on an online betting platform such as Stake.com, ROOBET & e.t.c, where you stand to have full control over your funds and betting account, without anyone requesting for a percentage.

[Die_empty]

Speaking from first hand experience, I must say that ever since the establishment of physical betting centers in all nooks and cranny of my country, there have been no week which passes by without a complain/issue between gamblers and owners of betting centers popularly known as (i.e Bet9ja, BetKing and Betway) when a huge sum of money is won, as it will be said that either the owner of the betting shop ran away with the money, or he/she is refusing to pay the exact winning amount. Which in most case has always been the disadvantage of using a physical gambling center,  as you do not have control over your bet/winning, unlike if it was done on an online betting platform such as Stake.com, ROOBET & e.t.c, where you stand to have full control over your funds and betting account, without anyone requesting for a percentage.

Physical and online casinos have their peculiar problems. But this issue that OP mentioned is a result of corruption or insincerity on the side of the physical casino operators. In my area, many reliable physical casinos will never shortchange or defraud winners because they have a high reputation. Therefore these problems are caused by individuals and not the disadvantage of land-based casinos. We also know that there are also fraudulent online casinos that can deny winners their funds. They will give so many reasons why the gambler is not entitled to his funds and some of them even go to the extent of rug-pulling because they want to steal funds from bettors.

[btc_angela]

There is also some kind of news similar to this one in our country. But the lady refuses to accept the supposedly winning money because it is not a jackpot and so what she did is go to social media and pressure the casino itself to give him the full jackpot winnings. And in one interview, the host called the casino themselves and with the pressure of their reputation on the line, they don't have any choice but to give the lady is full winners. And it so end in happy ending.

However, it could be very different on some individuals who just chooses to accept less money. People inside the casinos are also corrupt and maybe this is one reason why they didn't want to grant the winnings first. But when they are pressure by law, then they will have to abide and pay what is right.

[danadc]

I think the agent wanted to steal the entire money but due to the pressure from the court, he has to return part of it. I see this as a warning on the dangers of greedy agents in physical gambling platforms.

Source: https://twitter.com/General_Oluchi/status/1782027404027797716

There's probably a syndicate behind this and also an anomaly, if the court has seen all the pieces of evidence and the bettor proved that he is the real winner then all winnings should go to him, the proof of the burden should be on the gambling operator that the money was already withdrawn by someone else, the court is wrong here to find people who withdraw the money.

The head office should hold the branch operator liable for not paying the winner because they will lose the reputation of the company and the trust of the bettors.

This has never happened in my country because if it's a big amount the payor is the head office, the victim should pursue the case in the higher court and ask them to revoke the license of the branch and pay for the damages, there's injustice here, bettors should not bet on this shop and they should protest the shop, this could happen again to any of their bettors.

I can see the corruption here as even the authorities or the court made a decision in favor of the betting agent. As stated in the OP, the winner got the ticket, and that should be a valid basis that he had won a bet and had to claim the entire winning. If someone had already claim then the lapses should be blame on the agent and it should not compromise the winning of the real winner. Not sure what is the court structure in Nigeria, but if it's in my country, when you are not satisfied with the decision of the certain court, you can file a case again and elevate it to the higher court, and the winner has to make sure that he'll add to his claim all the incident cost like filing a case, lawyer's fee and etc, so he'll come up with zero expenses when he'll be able to claim his entire winning.

Those who have more money, those who have more power are able to offer a lot of money to obtain a great benefit, so if I see that there are more problems with a casino and they take it to Court, it is very common for this to happen , they will always be available. favor of the casinos and even more so when they offer them money, then in the face of these things many more things can be Generated, it is very difficult when a person, or a player , beats a casino, because they do have to prove many things, and based on The casinos have everything, they have the Software , they have everything based on legality and unless the casino has really failed, they will look for a way to fix the error so that it is released, this is in the case of casinos that are not very authentic , because most Trustworthy casinos avoid these types of problems.

[iv4n]

There is also some kind of news similar to this one in our country. But the lady refuses to accept the supposedly winning money because it is not a jackpot and so what she did is go to social media and pressure the casino itself to give him the full jackpot winnings. And in one interview, the host called the casino themselves and with the pressure of their reputation on the line, they don't have any choice but to give the lady is full winners. And it so end in happy ending.

However, it could be very different on some individuals who just chooses to accept less money. People inside the casinos are also corrupt and maybe this is one reason why they didn't want to grant the winnings first. But when they are pressure by law, then they will have to abide and pay what is right.

I have heard of more similar stories too, and here on the forum, we have seen a lot of complaints from people who didn't get what they won from the casino. And if it weren't for the pressure on the casino and the threat to their reputation, some people would never get justice. Sad truth...

But unfortunately, not all those situations end positively, some casinos do not give in even under various pressures. Several such casinos are still operating and cheating people, and every now and then a new story emerges that remains high in the air with no hope of being solved. So it is very important to choose wisely the casino where we are going to gamble, it is not enough to just look at reviews in one place.

[paxmao]

I think the agent wanted to steal the entire money but due to the pressure from the court, he has to return part of it. I see this as a warning on the dangers of greedy agents in physical gambling platforms.

Source: https://twitter.com/General_Oluchi/status/1782027404027797716

There's probably a syndicate behind this and also an anomaly, if the court has seen all the pieces of evidence and the bettor proved that he is the real winner then all winnings should go to him, the proof of the burden should be on the gambling operator that the money was already withdrawn by someone else, the court is wrong here to find people who withdraw the money.

The head office should hold the branch operator liable for not paying the winner because they will lose the reputation of the company and the trust of the bettors.

This has never happened in my country because if it's a big amount the payor is the head office, the victim should pursue the case in the higher court and ask them to revoke the license of the branch and pay for the damages, there's injustice here, bettors should not bet on this shop and they should protest the shop, this could happen again to any of their bettors.

I can see the corruption here as even the authorities or the court made a decision in favor of the betting agent. As stated in the OP, the winner got the ticket, and that should be a valid basis that he had won a bet and had to claim the entire winning. If someone had already claim then the lapses should be blame on the agent and it should not compromise the winning of the real winner. Not sure what is the court structure in Nigeria, but if it's in my country, when you are not satisfied with the decision of the certain court, you can file a case again and elevate it to the higher court, and the winner has to make sure that he'll add to his claim all the incident cost like filing a case, lawyer's fee and etc, so he'll come up with zero expenses when he'll be able to claim his entire winning.

Curruption can be low tech or high tec really, you can steal by going after the local shops - something as old as humanity itself... pay for protection and all that. However,  there is also similar ways of going after the technological on-line business in many states that hold that type of power. It requires a more systematic organisation, but it is certainly a possibility.