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May 13, 2024, 11:51:14 AM
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What's your opinion about this please?

It’s the math that helps the casino win so if the math is considered as Satanic then he is right. Cheesy

This kind of opinion is from those people that use religion as safe haven to stop their gambling addiction since church doctrine is always involved demons and satan to everything that is against their teachings even though there’s scientific evidence on how to explain this.

House always win because all the games is designed mathematically in favor for the house.

I am completely convinced that avid gamblers are always superstitious. They believe in various amulets, rituals and omens, hoping for good luck.

However, I personally do not attach importance to superstitions. In my mind, gambling is pure mathematics. Believing in luck and beliefs can be fun, but the main factor of success in gambling is calculations, strategy and the ability to make decisions based on probabilities.

Therefore, I tend to trust ONLY logic and analysis, not chance and superstition.

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May 13, 2024, 12:06:26 PM
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There is no way to denying his words. But his words will be true those who use gambling for earning money and become addicted will definitely be affected by the negative effects of gambling. Many people who gamble can control themselves for a short period of time, but after a long time they lose their control again. But not everything he says is true. Because of gambling there are many lucky people who have changed their lives and there are some people who are earning their livelihood through gambling. Not everyone will be unlucky and not everyone will be lucky. A gambler's success in gambling depends on luck, skill and strategy etc. However, if a gambler does not expect to win much from gambling then gambling will be enjoyable.

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May 13, 2024, 12:20:48 PM
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The belief of devils controlling gambling is old. This person may have lost money or be protecting you. But its math. Casinos and sportsbooks are businesses. No mystery, the chances are in their favor, not manipulated. Your gambling. Gamble for fun, right? It should be fun. Be clever about it. Avoid overdoing it. Thats the difference between enjoyment and trouble.

Want to get on football? Thats fine if done appropriately. Remember, the house always has a slight edge. But ultimately, you decide. You pick how much to spend and when to leave. People, thats the secret to winning. Smart choices, not demons or chance.

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May 13, 2024, 12:47:33 PM
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I boarded a bus going home from the bank yesterday, then I remembered some football match had few minutes to kick-off then I brought out my phone from my pocket to place some bet, immediately I opened the bet app a man sitting next to me, tapped me and said that gambling is Satanic and I should desist from it, at first it sounded so funny and made me laugh but with a serious face he further said that it's manipulated by demons and that's why the house would always have the higher edge.

He said he used to be a gambler but stopped when he discovered that and that there are demons helping the casino and sport betting owners to manipulate people into becoming addicted and getting more money from them, they give to selective people knowing fully well more people would lose and they'll gain back what they lost when more bettors lose the old man made it sound real but I don't believe that, i think he's lost too much in gambling before he stopped and is looking for anyway no matter what to discourage people from being like him or he's just being too superstitious. What's your opinion about this please?
Is it true that he believed in that? Possibly yes. But you are asking in the title if that's that happened to him is objectively true? I am interested on what you are basing your concept of truth in life, if you need an opinion based answer to that?

Psychologically it's easy to understand why that man told that story. It's really hard to confront ourselves as people who are weak to temptations and possibly addicts. Especially for people who think that we are perfectly capable to make smart decisions all the time and it's all about if we choose that. When these people come across being mentally addicted to anything, gambling or things they want to avoid. They don't accept that they need a little help, as they know what's a smart thing, but incapable of choosing it.

So when they believe it's all up to them, and that they can be above their brain chemistry, but somehow fail to make the right choice, they need someone to blame. And it can be rigged games, or demons, or even something crazier, just so that they can keep their faith of being in control of their choices. It's also pumping their self-respect to believe that they really didn't make mistakes, demons or something else were to blame. Brain can do pretty strange tricks when it tries to make sense of reality and when we want to justify our actions.

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May 13, 2024, 12:54:41 PM
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You are asking something which cannot be easily replied without having in mind the religious standing of the person answering your question, though. You are literally asking whether demons exist or not. So I am not sure what kind of answering you are expecting beyond people saying this is non-sense and others claiming demons exist.
But keeping that to one side... I believe people who manage casinos and betting services do not need further help from unknown forces, because they already have mathematics in their side, though, and mathematics are in control over both believers and non-believers.
Maybe you misunderstood my post. Well, if you observe properly you'll see where i stated that ( the man made it sound real but I don't believe that) and then i further gave reasons i felt made him make such statements. Well it doesn't matter their reply cause in threads like this people would either be for you or against you and moreover this is a discussion thread a debate is not prohibited and its not bad to know people's opinions, people's Idea an thoughts about such statement atleast some people would give pure facts to convince others and many people who think otherwise like that man, people who are against gambling but post on gambling threads maybe to meet up with campaign targets would learn and understand that gambling is not a bad idea and why people fail in it is because they fail to gamble responsibly. Yes it doesn't guarantee one to be very successful but there are responsible gamblers who are able to minimise their losing streaks it's only an unsuccessful gambler that would come up with such belief.

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May 13, 2024, 12:58:31 PM
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You should reply him "none of your business, shut the fuck up".

I'm surprised why someone talk too much with a stranger, maybe he thought that he's a God, so he's the one who know what is bad and what is good. He didn't know if gambling is a good thing if someone can control himself, while he's probably someone who never gamble or once an addict, that's his problem, other gambler might not be an addict since different person has different self control.

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May 13, 2024, 01:00:38 PM
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I think he is not rational if he thinks like that. It's most likely that he cannot explain how probability works and how the brain works in terms of being addicted to an addiction like gambling. He must probably associate it with something that he knows. Indeed, some casinos don't care about the players as long as they are making money from them which in turn = is evil. But I'm not sure how demons or some sort can control it. The humans are the demons? Or something like that?

He is just trying to make sense of things in my opinion.

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May 13, 2024, 01:13:55 PM
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I will just ignore him; his belief is not my belief when it comes to gambling, every gambler has their own belief and experiences, and these are his motivating factors as to why he is still playing or not; the guy seems to have a worse experience in gambling he may have loss a huge amount of money that is why he attach gambling to demons.
But for us gamblers who treat it as entertainment, we did not view it the way he did, and I never impose my beliefs on other people, so I don't want people to impose theirs to me as long as I'm ok with my gambling experience.

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May 13, 2024, 01:14:18 PM
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On my own opinion and with the way of look of things are going towards gambling all over the global, some people see gambling as a destroyer or an insane something cause of the way people are going towards it now. For me I don't see it like that, that old man back in the days people see gambling like a down full to whoever go into it.
But currently now it's not that way anymore.

Why cause casino are also helping some people life's earning some little money from it. First before thinking that casino are using demonic or spiritual things, you should know they made it all also clear to you about the risk and luck.

So that when you go into it, you might get addicted cause of the luck you're chasing to get towards it. That's gambling for you no demonic or spiritual things about it. First their are 3 set of gamblers.
(1) ADDICTED ONES
(2) PEOPLE CHASING TO EARN
(3) HOBBY ONES.
 
Maybe the man was in on this set of people, and that would be the addicted ones. Cause he was into it he tried stopping it no way but not until he finally get over it, then he started seeing other people gambling as if they're into something demonic. And it's cause of the addiction that's what makes people sees it as an evil or spiritual thing.

But people that take gambling as a hobby to them, sees it as a fun  or entertaining to them why cause they only gamble when it's their free time, they don't take it too serious or an habits to them. And people that takes it as a form of earning from it are also in line with people are addicted to it. this set of people are more extra serious with it most of them can sleep at the betting place or keep on predicting all day, just to earn money from it they do work but their incomes isn't enough for them.

So they have to push more further towards gambling betting all day, then people at the world will now see casinos gambling as a distraction towards humans life. I think if you see all this before thinking of going into gambling and you decides to opening his/her mouth to call it demonic field his wrong. Okay what about the people that gambling have helped their life's? People who bought car got an investment, builded a home for them, increases their value and businesses etc. what will he think about this set of people?
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Apart from the addictive part of gambling, I don't see anything wrong with gambling and demonizing or idolizing it doesn't really make any sense to me. It's just like starting a business. You do all your analysis and from what you've analyzed, you're certain that the business will be fruitful but at the end of the day, if the business will be fruitful or not is totally a function of time and sometimes your analysis pays off well as planned whike for other times, it doesn't.

I will rather see borrowing from an organisation or an app as more demonic than assuming that gambling is of that class. If you're disciplined enough to regulate the extent to which you expose yourself to gambling in an addictive way, you wouldn't eveb talk about addiction whish is a primary thihg that's bad about gambling and even it we talk sbout being an addicted gambler, adeiction doesn't only relate tj gambling. Anyone can be addicted to anything wether he is into gambling or not

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What's your opinion about this please?
I can give an opinion, that people's understanding of gambling is very diverse, there are people who think gambling is as told by that person, There are also other understandings regarding the positive and negative aspects of looking at gambling, now it's up to you to decide whether the person is superstitious or not.

We understand that many people are lucky when gambling and always win many types of games, of course that type of person doesn't care what negative people say, but there are also those who gamble on bad luck, surely such people are easily taken in by what people say.

The point is: what you do in gambling activities comes back to you from the bad and the good side, whatever your decision is, that's the best, continue or stop, you decide for yourself.

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I boarded a bus going home from the bank yesterday, then I remembered some football match had few minutes to kick-off then I brought out my phone from my pocket to place some bet, immediately I opened the bet app a man sitting next to me, tapped me and said that gambling is Satanic and I should desist from it, at first it sounded so funny and made me laugh but with a serious face he further said that it's manipulated by demons and that's why the house would always have the higher edge. He said he used to be a gambler but stopped when he discovered that and that there are demons helping the casino and sport betting owners to manipulate people into becoming addicted and getting more money from them, they give to selective people knowing fully well more people would lose and they'll gain back what they lost when more bettors lose the old man made it sound real but I don't believe that, i think he's lost too much in gambling before he stopped and is looking for anyway no matter what to discourage people from being like him or he's just being too superstitious. What's your opinion about this please?

It's just madness to believe that gambling is manipulated by my demonic or whatever power, while a casino is being developed by a human who runs and manages the casino as his business with the help of other appointees as staff who help in managing the casino for the aim of making profit.How then can someone think that casino gambling is something that was pioneered under satanic influence? 

If an individual allowed themselves to be used under demonic manipulation, which causes them to have a reckless and uncontrollable lifestyle towards gambling, then why should gambling itself be tagged demonic for the ignorance of someone else? 

I believe that the man who told you this is one of those people who have been enveloped in religious belief or traditional belief. 

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Religious belief, I guess. Well, this is not a new thing seeing how gambling is being associated with sin in a religious point of view. It's on you whether you'd believe him or not. The only thing that is valid on this discussion is that gambling could be bad for an individual but that is if a gambler is being too attached and exposed to gambling activities on the extent that he's having problems taking a pause of simply quitting and this might be addiction on this context. Maybe you two are just not "speaking the same language" wherein he'e being religious and such. But I still appreciate the idea of him wishing the best for you or guiding you to what he believes the right thing to do.

Nothing's certain. It wouldn't also be safe to judge him nor to assume that he's already out of his mind. If you worry that much then make use of this week at home.

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I boarded a bus going home from the bank yesterday, then I remembered some football match had few minutes to kick-off then I brought out my phone from my pocket to place some bet, immediately I opened the bet app a man sitting next to me, tapped me and said that gambling is Satanic and I should desist from it, at first it sounded so funny and made me laugh but with a serious face he further said that it's manipulated by demons and that's why the house would always have the higher edge.
These funny old men would never give up linking everything that doesn't favor them to demons and devils. If you ask him to prove it to you, I'm sure he can't prove it on a  neutral ground without including his religious big bang theorems. Gambling is a decision and not manipulation, I think he failed to gamble responsibly and in his regrets and habit of avoiding responsibly for his failures, he's staging demons as the cause of his earlier irresponsibility.

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He said he used to be a gambler but stopped when he discovered that and that there are demons helping the casino and sport betting owners to manipulate people into becoming addicted and getting more money from them.
Another way of introducing himself as a repented gambling addict. I'll tell you for free that he didn't discover anything, rather he somehow quit being an addict and got convinced his bad behaviors were caused by the devil, while he was in fact the devil that manipulated himself with his lack of discipline.

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i think he's lost too much in gambling before he stopped and is looking for anyway no matter what to discourage people from being like him or he's just being too superstitious. What's your opinion about this please?
Exactly what I was thinking and the obvious. He's just beating himself up for excessive involvement in gambling and attacking anybody he sees gambling to justify his new life. Such  people would never tell you about gambling in moderation. I don't blame him either, he is ignorant of it and advising you on the limited information available to him and his earlier experience.











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May 13, 2024, 04:51:04 PM
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The house would always win of course that is how they could continue to host us, if the house lose then the gambling site would close down.
What the old man said is just his personal opinion, or what he wants to believe in order to avoid gambling.
For me there are times that people would create stories on their own and make believe that their stories are true.
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It's funny to see it explained through Christian superstition but indeed there is some "darkness" in gambling. Not the darkness of ghosts and demons but rather of the so called dark patterns. Gambling had been studied for quite a long time and it's obvious by now casinos and game makers have come up with the best ways to attract the interest of the player best. So those prone to impulses and addiction can't keep up with the way casinos market themselves, it's just too appealing and keep sucking them in once they've started. But it has nothing to do with demons. It's just math and human behavior.

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May 13, 2024, 05:32:39 PM
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I boarded a bus going home from the bank yesterday, then I remembered some football match had few minutes to kick-off then I brought out my phone from my pocket to place some bet, immediately I opened the bet app a man sitting next to me, tapped me and said that gambling is Satanic and I should desist from it, at first it sounded so funny and made me laugh but with a serious face he further said that it's manipulated by demons and that's why the house would always have the higher edge. He said he used to be a gambler but stopped when he discovered that and that there are demons helping the casino and sport betting owners to manipulate people into becoming addicted and getting more money from them, they give to selective people knowing fully well more people would lose and they'll gain back what they lost when more bettors lose the old man made it sound real but I don't believe that, i think he's lost too much in gambling before he stopped and is looking for anyway no matter what to discourage people from being like him or he's just being too superstitious. What's your opinion about this please?



How can a person who has access to school, TV, newspapers and the internet talk so much nonsense? lottery games are random numbers that are on tickets, and when a person is lucky enough to match that number that was placed as a target, they become the winner, in games of chance that depend on luck, they are computer programs that people create, and There is a way for people to check if that game is demonstrably fair, in games that depend on skills it is also easy to check that they are fair, so talking about demons is very absurd. he lost because he was unlucky, if it were very easy for everyone to win, then gambling companies would have already gone bankrupt, there would also be many rich people.

I think that in a time like this when there is a lot of information, talking about demons is something meaningless, I hope that the person who said this starts watching the news, going online more and researching more about how gambling works to Don't believe this nonsense he's saying because eventually they'll say he's crazy and needs urgent treatment

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May 13, 2024, 05:46:34 PM
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The man is among those who have so much belief in superstition, and he also falls under the category of those who look for means to channel their faults and failures into something else.
 
They never want to believe that they are the cause of anything on their own; they always want to blame something or someone for their own mistake and lack of control. 
 
Just as he has told you this, he will also be telling others about how gambling and casinos use some spiritual powers to keep their players.
 
Some of these people even use this as part of preaching if they have the opportunity to, and it's not just that man you saw in the bus alone; there are so many others who also have the same mindset about gambling, which is why they so much dislike and hate those who get involved in it.

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May 13, 2024, 05:47:43 PM
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It's funny to see it explained through Christian superstition but indeed there is some "darkness" in gambling. Not the darkness of ghosts and demons but rather of the so called dark patterns. Gambling had been studied for quite a long time and it's obvious by now casinos and game makers have come up with the best ways to attract the interest of the player best. So those prone to impulses and addiction can't keep up with the way casinos market themselves, it's just too appealing and keep sucking them in once they've started. But it has nothing to do with demons. It's just math and human behavior.
Yeah, absolutely well said, but unfortunately, many do not understand this in this context as you explained above, most especially the older generations and those who appear overly obsessed with things of the spirit, for such people, anything at all can be attributed to be spiritual even when it's something that has nothing to do with spiritualism.

But again, on the other hand, just like the op send he was told, I've in time past listened to a pastor preach that for him whom the devil is set out to destroy, that some times, spirits can drive such person into gambling, getting addicted to it and from there, they person life can be completely ruined, whether this be true or not, I don't know and can't say, but one thing I believe for sure is that, in this world we live in, there are definitely other beings we can't see.

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May 13, 2024, 05:55:08 PM
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i think he's lost too much in gambling before he stopped and is looking for anyway no matter what to discourage people from being like him or he's just being too superstitious. What's your opinion about this please?
Probably this is really the case. He's giving advice based on his experience as a former gambler. Thus, obviously as a gambler with such past, it's just normal to discourage others to not gamble. Because it can really lead to addiction if a person has no control (he's quite right about that).

However, I don't agree that gambling is satanic and there's a demons behind casino. Keep in mind, casino is a business, and it's in the gambler's discretion on how they want gambling to affect them. There are gamblers who can play in moderation and doing fine. Because it depends on the gambler itself and not the casino. You became addicted? Well, it's because you have no discipline.
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