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May 24, 2024, 09:28:05 AM
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Do I believe in match fixing? Yes, I believe, but this belief is no different from belief in microbes, which I have never seen either. Smiley Of course, sports federations will do everything to ensure that information about match-fixing doesn't receive wide publicity and any sporting competitions in which match-fixing could potentially appear (fights or something similar) will be kept silent, because this will lead to a scandal and reputational costs, and hence the loss of sponsors and profits. So it turns out that there are no facts of match-fixing, but at the same time, sometimes fans have doubts about the reliability of the results of some sports matches, which gives rise to this very belief in match-fixing.

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May 24, 2024, 09:35:34 AM
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I don't knows the truth about fixed match but I guess that could happens as we knows that everything can be set up by those people who have their reason to controls the match. We can say that's a secret thing but maybe many people already knows about that but they can't do anything. We don't knows who are involved in that case because they seems like a syndicates that trying to controls every match they wants and we don't knows what's their reason doing that. Maybe the reasons is money or there's another reason behinds that but we can only guess it and hopes that we will not see that fixed match happens when we watch the match. Even if we watch the match, we still don't knows the truth so I guess we can only watch the match without thinks about the fixed match or fair match.

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May 24, 2024, 10:19:40 AM
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I doubt it can happen in a professional league, if proven that they are fixing the matches, it could mean their careers, their team, and the entire franchise. Who would want that? There's an organization that keeps everything disciplined so that they won't do such things as shaving points or other kinds of cheats to make an opponent win.

VAR was supposed to be an assistant for the physical referee and not to make things questionable because of his decision. They are just using the new technology which is the enhanced cameras so that they can see what is happening on the whole field while the physical referees have a limited view of everything. Let's not make assumptions like this just to benefit our own belief, let's first look for facts before we throw the blame on something else/new.

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Another similar topic: which of you was the first to steal the idea for creation?

But again, all sports, or almost all sports, nowadays have become places where money is made. A business that brings in millions. So why do you think that some games can't sell? For example, the idea of a fixed game is quite simple: the team that has scored enough points to stay in the league plays for another team, for which even a draw is important, and a lot of money is at stake. I will not touch world football and judge at the world level, but given what is happening in championships held within countries, match-fixing is quite likely. And this idea with VAR, one way or another, will not do anything where people agree.

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May 24, 2024, 10:38:10 AM
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Another similar topic: which of you was the first to steal the idea for creation?

But again, all sports, or almost all sports, nowadays have become places where money is made. A business that brings in millions. So why do you think that some games can't sell? For example, the idea of a fixed game is quite simple: the team that has scored enough points to stay in the league plays for another team, for which even a draw is important, and a lot of money is at stake. I will not touch world football and judge at the world level, but given what is happening in championships held within countries, match-fixing is quite likely. And this idea with VAR, one way or another, will not do anything where people agree.

it is simply a question of economic interests (and in football there are many) but also in other minor sports and where there are interests there is money and where there is a lot of it it is normal that someone wants to take it and who can fix the matches it certainly will, today it is clearly more difficult to fix matches in sport in general given that we are under the cameras 24 hours a day, the Italian championship for example has been for a long time, then there are also sporting interests, many want to win at all costs and not for the money but for the prestige, regardless of whether the reason is one or the other there will always be rigged matches

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May 24, 2024, 10:42:37 AM
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Even some players are sometimes suspected to have been part of a match fixing just like in the match between Tottenham and Manchester city when Son Heung-min was one on one with Manchester City's goal keeper Ederson but he played the ball directly to the goal keeper and after the match, Pep Guardiola went to shake him and people were wondering if the match was fixed to favour Manchester city. So let's deliberate on this
This is just a speculation that would have been started by Arsenal supporters, or others who in support of Arsenal to win the premier league and were depending on Tottenham to help them out.  
Son was under pressure in that game, missing was very possible, plus the Manchester City goalkeeper who came into the game did very well.

There is match fixing, But I do not think that it will be in the big leagues like the premier league.
This has nothing to do with being a fan of Arsenal because I love English football more especially England teams and I always support a consistent team and as we all saw that Manchester city and Arsenal were major competitors in the premier league. Just like someone here said, the inability of Son to score Manchester city was a total case of tension and not a deliberate act but you know sport analysts, fans and spectators will always read meaning in a match differently not only in the match between Tottenham and Manchester city as there were also some past matches that people also thought of either favouritism or a case of match fixing.

I believe everything is possible and match fixing isn't an exception or something to writeoff from it , especially base on the fact that it involves money, there is always going to be a manipulation of the system somehow to try to make things work in the favor of the fixers, but how they organise or do it and it work m out if at all there's match fixing, this is a question that needs an answer, if someone has an idea of how it is done

I doubt if anyone can say about how match fixing works because before you say such you must have various evidence to support your claims and again you will also need to identify the match fixers of which no one will agree to match fixing because they will have a lot of questions to answer.

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May 24, 2024, 10:45:03 AM
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Another similar topic: which of you was the first to steal the idea for creation?

But again, all sports, or almost all sports, nowadays have become places where money is made. A business that brings in millions. So why do you think that some games can't sell? For example, the idea of a fixed game is quite simple: the team that has scored enough points to stay in the league plays for another team, for which even a draw is important, and a lot of money is at stake. I will not touch world football and judge at the world level, but given what is happening in championships held within countries, match-fixing is quite likely. And this idea with VAR, one way or another, will not do anything where people agree.

it is simply a question of economic interests (and in football there are many) but also in other minor sports and where there are interests there is money and where there is a lot of it it is normal that someone wants to take it and who can fix the matches it certainly will, today it is clearly more difficult to fix matches in sport in general given that we are under the cameras 24 hours a day, the Italian championship for example has been for a long time, then there are also sporting interests, many want to win at all costs and not for the money but for the prestige, regardless of whether the reason is one or the other there will always be rigged matches

Do you agree with the statement that prestige is still money? No team plays for an idea. You look at their bonuses; these are numbers with six zeros, and it is these bonuses that give what we call the word "prestige.” Smiley

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May 24, 2024, 10:50:11 AM
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Yes match-fixing and fixing and not only in Football and these happen in big matches in boxing, basketball and almost every game, and even in horse racing, it happens because of connivance between each team and officials, because there is huge money to be made in game fixing.

Game fixing cannot happen if one team or officials will not cooperate because it will make it so obvious and evident that one team or officials will not cooperate, usually, it favors the weak team or player to make him the winner because of the odds of winnings, many bettors lose their bets and those who win are part of the syndicate.

The organizations usually have a monitoring team to monitor if any of the teams or officials engage in game and match-fixing still the attraction of the money is a big temptation to these perpetrators.

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May 24, 2024, 11:10:04 AM
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I used to hear people say that most of the matches are being fixed by the football body such that they make sure that the matches play according to how they fixed them to play and the reason why the VAR was introduced was even to help in actualizing the match fixing. How true is this because what will be the benefit of fixing match without any benefits or do the football body do some secret gambling and makes sure it goes in their favour? Even some players are sometimes suspected to have been part of a match fixing just like in the match between Tottenham and Manchester city when Son Heung-min was one on one with Manchester City's goal keeper Ederson but he played the ball directly to the goal keeper and after the match, Pep Guardiola went to shake him and people were wondering if the match was fixed to favour Manchester city. So let's deliberate on this

Match fixing is a big form of gambling. How many talented footballers, cricketers have destroyed themselves under this match fixing. This match fixing will never go away from any country. And this match fixing is most common in big clubs. These match-fixing issues are well-understood on the football field. It turned out that a footballer would be rewarded for scoring a goal, ten times or 100 times more than he would get for not scoring.



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May 24, 2024, 11:44:18 AM
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But again, all sports, or almost all sports, nowadays have become places where money is made. A business that brings in millions. So why do you think that some games can't sell? For example, the idea of a fixed game is quite simple: the team that has scored enough points to stay in the league plays for another team, for which even a draw is important, and a lot of money is at stake. I will not touch world football and judge at the world level, but given what is happening in championships held within countries, match-fixing is quite likely. And this idea with VAR, one way or another, will not do anything where people agree.
If you come to Africa, you will know that some matches are match fixing. There was a Nigerian league that someone posted last minute penalty on this forum, the player played it out intentionally that people will know. That is match fixing in NPFL. There are other leagues like that which match fixing is common. That is why I have not been betting with small leagues because I know the possibility of match fixing is very high.

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May 24, 2024, 12:13:23 PM
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I doubt it can happen in a professional league, if proven that they are fixing the matches, it could mean their careers, their team, and the entire franchise. Who would want that? There's an organization that keeps everything disciplined so that they won't do such things as shaving points or other kinds of cheats to make an opponent win.

VAR was supposed to be an assistant for the physical referee and not to make things questionable because of his decision. They are just using the new technology which is the enhanced cameras so that they can see what is happening on the whole field while the physical referees have a limited view of everything. Let's not make assumptions like this just to benefit our own belief, let's first look for facts before we throw the blame on something else/new.
Maybe what you say is true on this issue. Allegations of match fixing can indeed damage an individual's career as well as the team's reputation. Neither party wanted to risk their future by getting involved in such a scandal, as the consequences were severe. The existence of an organization that maintains discipline is very important to ensure that all matches take place fairly and according to the rules.

You are right that VAR only helps the referee on the pitch by providing a more complete and accurate view of events that the referee on the pitch might miss. It is important not to make assumptions without a solid basis. Blaming something new without clear evidence will only muddy the waters and disrupt the process of finding the truth. Before we blame VAR or any other new technology, we need to make sure we have enough facts and understand how the technology is used in the right context.

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the reason why the VAR was introduced was even to help in actualizing the match fixing.
Nah, VAR isn't enough to actualizing the match fixing, actually the full name of VAR is Virtual Assistant Real Madrid, that's why people call Real Madrid is Vadrid since VAR really help Real Madrid.



Unfortunately there are no way that can completely stop match fixing and cheating since abusers will keep abusing by finding other loophole.

I believe in match fixing, in order to remove match fixing in football is remove the referees and money involved.
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the reason why the VAR was introduced was even to help in actualizing the match fixing.
Nah, VAR isn't enough to actualizing the match fixing, actually the full name of VAR is Virtual Assistant Real Madrid, that's why people call Real Madrid is Vadrid since VAR really help Real Madrid.



Unfortunately there are no way that can completely stop match fixing and cheating since abusers will keep abusing by finding other loophole.

I believe in match fixing, in order to remove match fixing in football is remove the referees and money involved.
Exactly, it's sad, but it's true that no matter what measurement, rules, or how strict a commissioner becomes, there will still be match fixing and it will not be stopped. That's why it's better to avoid betting in a sport that mostly has a series record of match fixing because it will mostly happen again. And also, before betting, make sure that you watch the game so that you can notice if there is an anomaly or suspicious happenings in the game so that you can pull out your bet early. Still, sometimes it can be beneficial for you, but don't expect that it will happen all the time. In conclusion match fixing is part of the sports community and it cant be stopped no matter what we do, so its up to us on what precaution we will do in order not to be disadvantage in sports that we are betting.

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I used to hear people say that most of the matches are being fixed by the football body such that they make sure that the matches play according to how they fixed them to play and the reason why the VAR was introduced was even to help in actualizing the match fixing. How true is this

For me I don't really believe on anything like match fixing because those are just mare assumptions of people which is not true because establishment of VAR is to make sure matches are being played fairly instead of favouring one side or deciding how a much will play, perhaps if VAR was introduced to make match fixing possible most people would have already kicked against it because not everyone that would accept that and besides with how popular football is and millions of people watching it coming up with that method will actually change the narrative or mindset of people towards it.

Perhaps I believe that one of the reasons why people think that some matches are fixed is because there are most weeks were almost all the matches will play draw and from there people start having the feelings that most matches are fixed match, though fixing of matches can only be possible on local leagues but not the international leagues were everybody is curious to see what the outcome of the match will be.

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Match fixing is not new and sometimes they are obvious that you won't need any second opinion to spot it right away because the players are not good actors, they just like throwing the balls far away and wasting any opportunity to catch the score. this is what I see in the Local Basketball here in our country. However, in the other games, you cannot spot them because they are really good when it comes to hiding their motives. Sometimes, you only find that out when one of the players confesses or the referees because they are the one who knows how it works but mostly when they confess, they are accused of being crazy and no one really wants to hear about them anymore.
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I used to hear people say that most of the matches are being fixed by the football body such that they make sure that the matches play according to how they fixed them to play and the reason why the VAR was introduced was even to help in actualizing the match fixing. How true is this because what will be the benefit of fixing match without any benefits or do the football body do some secret gambling and makes sure it goes in their favour? Even some players are sometimes suspected to have been part of a match fixing just like in the match between Tottenham and Manchester city when Son Heung-min was one on one with Manchester City's goal keeper Ederson but he played the ball directly to the goal keeper and after the match, Pep Guardiola went to shake him and people were wondering if the match was fixed to favour Manchester city. So let's deliberate on this
There is nothing like match fixing my friend, no team would like to lose to the other opponent just because of money, the players have different intentions while in the field apart from winning the match they also want to advertise their skills so they will be noticed by a bigger club for contract, and no player will like to ruin his grace of going to higher club just because he was paid a huge amount of money in a single match. the example you cited concerning a player who failed to score but shot the ball directly to the goalkeeper, that does not mean that the match was fixed but the best that he can play at that moment considering the pressure at that particular point in time.

Any player can miss that goal, even Ronaldo and Messi often misses penalty in some critical matches and that does not mean that they are been paid or that the match was fixed and for the Manchester coach to have shook hands with him must have probably being a coincidence because he is very fond of shaking a very player next to him when the match is over and he did not specifically went to the player to shake him just because he missed the goal. And also note that, while starting any game no one knows the player that will have the chance to score so Manchester city coach did not even know that the player will miss the goal because all football activities are very uncertain. so, there is nothing like match fixing @op.

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I used to hear people say that most of the matches are being fixed by the football body such that they make sure that the matches play according to how they fixed them to play and the reason why the VAR was introduced was even to help in actualizing the match fixing. How true is this because what will be the benefit of fixing match without any benefits or do the football body do some secret gambling and makes sure it goes in their favour? Even some players are sometimes suspected to have been part of a match fixing just like in the match between Tottenham and Manchester city when Son Heung-min was one on one with Manchester City's goal keeper Ederson but he played the ball directly to the goal keeper and after the match, Pep Guardiola went to shake him and people were wondering if the match was fixed to favour Manchester city. So let's deliberate on this
It's no longer about believing or not believing because it has already happened, so it is real and exists and only the people involved in it understand which matches have been regulated. If asked what the benefits are?, it is clear that there is, because it is impossible for them to cheat without having a target of making a profit, the ones who benefit are the gamblers involved as well as other parties, for example players because they will get what percentage of the profits they get, in football this usually happens in small leagues while for other sports it is usually in types that are not very popular or small tournaments so it is difficult to detect, but If proven, all those involved will receive sanctions and as far as I know there are tennis athletes who have been banned from playing for life and are also not allowed to be involved in anything related to tennis because of cases like this.
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I used to hear people say that most of the matches are being fixed by the football body such that they make sure that the matches play according to how they fixed them to play and the reason why the VAR was introduced was even to help in actualizing the match fixing. How true is this because what will be the benefit of fixing match without any benefits or do the football body do some secret gambling and makes sure it goes in their favour? Even some players are sometimes suspected to have been part of a match fixing just like in the match between Tottenham and Manchester city when Son Heung-min was one on one with Manchester City's goal keeper Ederson but he played the ball directly to the goal keeper and after the match, Pep Guardiola went to shake him and people were wondering if the match was fixed to favour Manchester city. So let's deliberate on this
"Most matches" is just exaggeration, especially if you include all the sports.

Imagine telling a secret for group of friends, and believing it will stay as a secret. It almost never does. Then imagine how many people would need to keep a secret and shut up if they thought something was off in the game, and how leaking that info would affect to betting odds. And top of that everyone involved would risk prison time, financial penalties, being kicked out of professional sports and other sanctions.

And only "evidence" someone would have for MOST matches being fixed is because they are losing money by betting.

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Yes , I do. Did you watched Cagliari - Fiorentina last night ? that game was very awful and very sketchy because the game had 5 extra minutes and Fiorentina got a penalty in the 12 MINUTE OF EXTRA TIME! If that is not suspect of rigged game , then I don't know what it is. I'm personally tired of Serie A rigged games and they had so many scandals involving mafia betting and players who were catch for illegal bet that at this point it's very hard to trust their players or their coaches or even the referee because no Italian referee have been present in any finals from Europa competition in last 2 years.

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I used to hear people say that most of the matches are being fixed by the football body such that they make sure that the matches play according to how they fixed them to play and the reason why the VAR was introduced was even to help in actualizing the match fixing. How true is this because what will be the benefit of fixing match without any benefits or do the football body do some secret gambling and makes sure it goes in their favour? Even some players are sometimes suspected to have been part of a match fixing just like in the match between Tottenham and Manchester city when Son Heung-min was one on one with Manchester City's goal keeper Ederson but he played the ball directly to the goal keeper and after the match, Pep Guardiola went to shake him and people were wondering if the match was fixed to favour Manchester city. So let's deliberate on this
Even if you are suspecting that football is been manipulated by it's officials you can't do anything because you don't have any evidence and no one will believe you until there a good evidence that can prove what you are saying is real. Some other people might agree with what you said but you and those people can not accuse the down jodge that they fixing the most of their match's, football officials have quality proves that what ever is happening at the football field is real and they have no hand on the results. The only people that can fight against them is the government even with or without proves, the government can come out and said they don't want anything sport in their country and so be it.

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