Would you bet against the club you support?

[klidex]

Something like that is like betraying the club that has employed him to get a salary every month because most of his hard work was obtained because he worked at the club he worked for but unfortunately he bet against the club he supports so that made the club owner feel angry and it's only natural that he was angry and fired this employee because if this employee bets to lose on the club he supports, it's the same as praying for the club he supports to lose. For anyone, if we support a club, we really have to work professionally, not only think about profits, but loyalty can be paid with money.

Not all loyalty can be valued with money, there are still opportunities for profit in other matches, it's not just about the club that supports it. If I were a club, I also wouldn't like to see my employees betray and would probably do the same to fire someone like that. Indeed, betting is the right of each gambler, but without the club, how can he work and earn money having too much ambition to make a lot of profit is not good and he deserves this punishment.

[taufik123]

I would definitely do it. Especially if I knew all the “kitchen” that is going on in the team. I say this so confidently because I have something to do with a sports team in my country that regularly loses. The point is not that I would do this against the team, but the fact that the team does not receive any bonuses or salaries while the players lose. But by betting on a loss, I would be compensating myself for the amount that should be paid to me for the time I spend working for this team.

I like your reasoning, being realistic enough and not being a fan so fanatical as to overlook the benefits that can even be gained from the defeat of the team we supported in the first place.

After all, betting is profit-seeking, not just a pleasure and forcing a club that will actually lose, but is still supported.
Compensating for yourself also needs to be done, being a supporter who is too fanatical is also not good, look at reality and take advantage.

[Renampun]

There is no significant benefit to remaining loyal to a team that is doing poorly. Just out of bias it might be hard to do but once you’ve made a profit and the money is in your wallet, you will once again feel good and won’t feel any regret.

...

but he was an employee there, not an ordinary fan. When he bets against the team he works for, it means he spits at the company he works for, is that kind of action worth tolerating? because even though you know that your club sucks and will definitely lose, you have to be able to put yourself there and think that you are working there and getting a salary from it. Is the reward from the bet better than the salary he will get in the future? just think rationally.

[Dailyscript]

I would definitely do it. Especially if I knew all the “kitchen” that is going on in the team. I say this so confidently because I have something to do with a sports team in my country that regularly loses. The point is not that I would do this against the team, but the fact that the team does not receive any bonuses or salaries while the players lose. But by betting on a loss, I would be compensating myself for the amount that should be paid to me for the time I spend working for this team.

I like your reasoning, being realistic enough and not being a fan so fanatical as to overlook the benefits that can even be gained from the defeat of the team we supported in the first place.

After all, betting is profit-seeking, not just a pleasure and forcing a club that will actually lose, but is still supported.
Compensating for yourself also needs to be done, being a supporter who is too fanatical is also not good, look at reality and take advantage.

Your right. Most times the team or side we support do not perform well and it is obvious that betting on them who give nothing but consistent loss, so i think that no wise gambler would choose passion over his winnings even if it just for entertainment. The main reason why we gambler is to win or loss and we make sure we choose the right option that would win, if it s against our preferred team of course i would play against them. And if any day i see a probability of them winning i would bet on them.

[Ultegra134]

I don't understand why some users called it a betrayal. Will my team give me back my money if they lose? I'd certainly bet against my club (OFI), and I've done it a few times in the past already; it was a guaranteed defeat. Why would I support them with my bet? They were playing against Olympiakos, the team that won Fiorentina in the Conference League, and as you can guess, Olympiakos is a much greater team than OFI, which is a much smaller and local team. 

I remember Olympiakos winning 4–0 in one match and 2–0 in the other. I'd be crazy to put my money on OFI just because it's the team I support.

[Huppercase]

Pardon me if this post or something similar have been created before now. Well this post was inspired by a news from Football Tweet on  X concerning a Swansea City FC   employee who got sacked for betting on the club he works in to lose for about 130 times. It's so unfortunate he lost his jobs, Well some people were in his support and claimed it's not his fault for the club to keep losing and the man was only trying to make extra cash, while there were others who claimed it was betrayal and he should've supported the club as a true fan. Left for me, I feel he's not a fan of the club and just an employee and I'll do same if I were not a fan of the club I work for moreover the club kept losing and he seized the opportunity to make extra cash from their misfortune. Well I never betted against the club i support I'll rather bet on other matches. However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?

I didn't see this as an issue here, the question we should have asked does the company club forbid employees from betting on their own club? If No, then the sack is justified because you can't go against the club policy, you offend them and they have the right to do and undo, the person cross the line to be honest and it's very wrong professionally because most of other people wouldn't like to work with her any more.

However, if there is no any rules about it, then the company is wrong for sacking her, they are very wrong and only trying to ease their losses on innocent employee who is just trying to make money. I though gambling is making predictions of an outcome and he was sure that the company is going to lose, what's there to make predictions and win some money, it's nothing to be sacked about unless there is something the company's is not telling the public.

[uneng]

However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?

Personally, I wouldn't, because I don't feel comfortable doing so. If the club I support is playing a match, but I'm pretty confident they can't win, I just don't bet at all, because it doesn't seem right to make profit through the defeat of something I like very much or support. I would feel ashamed if I did so, as it really sounds like someone who is able to do this isn't a supporter at all, but a practical person who changes from side to side accordingly to what looks more benefical to him financially on the present time. I'm not in favour of such mindsets.

Moreover, I guess that is what the ones you support would expect from you: to be together even on the hardest times and during the defeats, isn't it? So that is what I think I should go for.

[SATWAT]

However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?

Personally, I wouldn't, because I don't feel comfortable doing so. If the club I support is playing a match, but I'm pretty confident they can't win, I just don't bet at all, because it doesn't seem right to make profit through the defeat of something I like very much or support. I would feel ashamed if I did so, as it really sounds like someone who is able to do this isn't a supporter at all, but a practical person who changes from side to side accordingly to what looks more benefical to him financially on the present time. I'm not in favour of such mindsets.

Moreover, I guess that is what the ones you support would expect from you: to be together even on the hardest times and during the defeats, isn't it? So that is what I think I should go for.

I have this problem in real life for my friends with mostly if this is going to happen they try to avoid because they never love to go against their club with they feel not comfortable even they all know this is surely going to lose, but they mostly drop this idea and never regret about this which is the best part of all.
But as I usually talk on social media with many peoples also never love to go against their clubs, but this is also depended on regions because in few regions they are feeling not bad about this as they are having good amount in win which is useful for them but in European region I have few peoples they never feel good about this and never love to do things like these.

[Stepstowealth]

I don't understand why some users called it a betrayal.

The person's who will see it as betrayal are those who have not been able to separate their emotions from gambling because although gambling is for fun, if there is an opportunity to make money from it you need to take it because you often lose and the opportunity to win does not often present itself.
Betting against my team does not mean that I love them less because you do not only love a team when they are winning, you have to love them through the good and the bad times.

[boty]

I don't understand why some users called it a betrayal.

The person's who will see it as betrayal are those who have not been able to separate their emotions from gambling because although gambling is for fun, if there is an opportunity to make money from it you need to take it because you often lose and the opportunity to win does not often present itself.
Betting against my team does not mean that I love them less because you do not only love a team when they are winning, you have to love them through the good and the bad times.

When someone still gambles with emotion, of course they will gamble with greed and it would be better for us to think of gambling as a place to have fun. As you said, we have to see if we can get the chance to win, of course we have to be able to use the opportunity to win the bet. We play it because it's not certain that we can win on another occasion.

You are right, not choosing a favorite team when betting means that we no longer love that team in gambling, of course we have to be able to win the bets we play and if the opponent the team is facing has a chance of winning, of course we will prefer the team that can win the match so that we can win the bets we play.

[Accardo]

I don't understand why some users called it a betrayal.

The person's who will see it as betrayal are those who have not been able to separate their emotions from gambling because although gambling is for fun, if there is an opportunity to make money from it you need to take it because you often lose and the opportunity to win does not often present itself.
Betting against my team does not mean that I love them less because you do not only love a team when they are winning, you have to love them through the good and the bad times.

In the corporate world it's a betrayal in a way. Because he actually sweats for the club, he works with them, I guess. And that's a mistake on his end to let it get to the management of his club. People always look out for ways to figure out if a member of a firm broke a rule of the organization so that he could get penalized. I personally have observed that most people don't get hysterical about their club. Their aim is to gamble and win. Where this seems like a betrayal is that this person can easily detect if his team is well prepared enough to win or not in a game.

Then he bets against them. I think this would be a bigger issue in the football niche because gambling shouldn't be a one sided activity. Many people who work with football clubs may not always support their club. The thing remains that, if the gambler signed somewhere about this before getting hired that he's not meant to bet against his club, then he already broke a rule and deserves to be penalize. If not, then the club management is only emotional about his actions and sees it as betrayal through an unrealistic thought.

[dezoel]

Something like that is like betraying the club that has employed him to get a salary every month because most of his hard work was obtained because he worked at the club he worked for but unfortunately he bet against the club he supports so that made the club owner feel angry and it's only natural that he was angry and fired this employee because if this employee bets to lose on the club he supports, it's the same as praying for the club he supports to lose. For anyone, if we support a club, we really have to work professionally, not only think about profits, but loyalty can be paid with money.

Not all loyalty can be valued with money, there are still opportunities for profit in other matches, it's not just about the club that supports it. If I were a club, I also wouldn't like to see my employees betray and would probably do the same to fire someone like that. Indeed, betting is the right of each gambler, but without the club, how can he work and earn money having too much ambition to make a lot of profit is not good and he deserves this punishment.

I think you are right that it's unethical even though he did it to earn some extra cash since he knew the club hadn't been performing very well and he could get a win if he bet against them, but as you said, if he was earning money by working for that club, being ethical would be to avoid betting against the club only to show that you are loyal to it and that you respect the fact that they are providing you and your family food on the table if not anything else.

He could do that without having to bet against the club he was working for. There are a lot of matches and games and there can be more opportunities for one to make their bets even if they don't do it on one match, so he could leave the matches where his club was involved just for loyalty's sake.

[Taskford]

Something like that is like betraying the club that has employed him to get a salary every month because most of his hard work was obtained because he worked at the club he worked for but unfortunately he bet against the club he supports so that made the club owner feel angry and it's only natural that he was angry and fired this employee because if this employee bets to lose on the club he supports, it's the same as praying for the club he supports to lose. For anyone, if we support a club, we really have to work professionally, not only think about profits, but loyalty can be paid with money.

Not all loyalty can be valued with money, there are still opportunities for profit in other matches, it's not just about the club that supports it. If I were a club, I also wouldn't like to see my employees betray and would probably do the same to fire someone like that. Indeed, betting is the right of each gambler, but without the club, how can he work and earn money having too much ambition to make a lot of profit is not good and he deserves this punishment.

I think you are right that it's unethical even though he did it to earn some extra cash since he knew the club hadn't been performing very well and he could get a win if he bet against them, but as you said, if he was earning money by working for that club, being ethical would be to avoid betting against the club only to show that you are loyal to it and that you respect the fact that they are providing you and your family food on the table if not anything else.

He could do that without having to bet against the club he was working for. There are a lot of matches and games and there can be more opportunities for one to make their bets even if they don't do it on one match, so he could leave the matches where his club was involved just for loyalty's sake.

To avoid any problem related to that situation much better for people working on some clubs not to bet on the league where their team is participating so that they can avoid getting bad blood for the club they are working since for sure if the management will find out that you are frequently betting on sportsbooks. They might think that you are doing some illegal activities that can cause for their team to lose. Betting is indeed a individual right of people but there's a limitation of that and people need to avoid anything that can give a conflict to his employer.

There are lot of matches to bet but the problem if this is acceptable action to the club they are working? So maybe its good to avoid betting and just go to other leagues since this give him peace and away from stress.

[Ultegra134]

In the corporate world it's a betrayal in a way. Because he actually sweats for the club, he works with them, I guess. And that's a mistake on his end to let it get to the management of his club. People always look out for ways to figure out if a member of a firm broke a rule of the organization so that he could get penalized. I personally have observed that most people don't get hysterical about their club. Their aim is to gamble and win. Where this seems like a betrayal is that this person can easily detect if his team is well prepared enough to win or not in a game.

Then he bets against them. I think this would be a bigger issue in the football niche because gambling shouldn't be a one sided activity. Many people who work with football clubs may not always support their club. The thing remains that, if the gambler signed somewhere about this before getting hired that he's not meant to bet against his club, then he already broke a rule and deserves to be penalize. If not, then the club management is only emotional about his actions and sees it as betrayal through an unrealistic thought.

In what corporate world? We're talking about gambling here and sports betting, I can't call it a betrayal. Would you support your team by betting on it on a match that's almost a guaranteed loss? I'll go ahead and say that it's quite unlikely. Sports betting is all about money, and I don't quite understand what you're trying to say.

The person's who will see it as betrayal are those who have not been able to separate their emotions from gambling because although gambling is for fun, if there is an opportunity to make money from it you need to take it because you often lose and the opportunity to win does not often present itself.
Betting against my team does not mean that I love them less because you do not only love a team when they are winning, you have to love them through the good and the bad times.

That's correct, why waste a perfect earning opportunity? Why would I go in the trouble of risking my money when I acknowledge that my team is way more likely to lose. Sports betting shouldn't be connected with emotions, but with who is more likely to win.

[Nwada001]

When someone still gambles with emotion, of course they will gamble with greed and it would be better for us to think of gambling as a place to have fun. As you said, we have to see if we can get the chance to win, of course we have to be able to use the opportunity to win the bet. We play it because it's not certain that we can win on another occasion.

Someone can still be emotionally touched and still don't gamble with greed; they can only make reckless decisions about which game they choose due to their state of mind, but that's different from when someone is gambling with greed.
 
Being greedy means chasing big wins and wagering with a large amount of money, which is being triggered by the greed to win big. Your emotions can only lead you to make mistakes in your choice of game and options because you are not in the right mind.

[hedgeh0g]

Something like that is like betraying the club that has employed him to get a salary every month because most of his hard work was obtained because he worked at the club he worked for but unfortunately he bet against the club he supports so that made the club owner feel angry and it's only natural that he was angry and fired this employee because if this employee bets to lose on the club he supports, it's the same as praying for the club he supports to lose. For anyone, if we support a club, we really have to work professionally, not only think about profits, but loyalty can be paid with money.

Not all loyalty can be valued with money, there are still opportunities for profit in other matches, it's not just about the club that supports it. If I were a club, I also wouldn't like to see my employees betray and would probably do the same to fire someone like that. Indeed, betting is the right of each gambler, but without the club, how can he work and earn money having too much ambition to make a lot of profit is not good and he deserves this punishment.

I think you are right that it's unethical even though he did it to earn some extra cash since he knew the club hadn't been performing very well and he could get a win if he bet against them, but as you said, if he was earning money by working for that club, being ethical would be to avoid betting against the club only to show that you are loyal to it and that you respect the fact that they are providing you and your family food on the table if not anything else.

He could do that without having to bet against the club he was working for. There are a lot of matches and games and there can be more opportunities for one to make their bets even if they don't do it on one match, so he could leave the matches where his club was involved just for loyalty's sake.

To avoid any problem related to that situation much better for people working on some clubs not to bet on the league where their team is participating so that they can avoid getting bad blood for the club they are working since for sure if the management will find out that you are frequently betting on sportsbooks. They might think that you are doing some illegal activities that can cause for their team to lose. Betting is indeed a individual right of people but there's a limitation of that and people need to avoid anything that can give a conflict to his employer.

There are lot of matches to bet but the problem if this is acceptable action to the club they are working? So maybe its good to avoid betting and just go to other leagues since this give him peace and away from stress.

I think those who work at the club are prohibited from placing bets under their work contract. Otherwise, this will arouse the suspicion of the local police, and no one needs unnecessary suspicion. Of course, some cunning people find a friend and can place bets from his account, but this does not mean that no one will know about it, so I would advise employees to never place bets related to their club. There are a lot of options for betting on other teams and you can choose from them. But an ordinary fan who does not miss a single match of his favorite team can place bets constantly. Honestly, I would be interested in statistics on the winnings or losses of such players over a time period of 10 years. Surely among these players there are those who understand very carefully and feel the mood of the team and each player.

[GideonGono]

I once bet on the opposite team that I supported in eSports before, I acknowledge their strength, and know they are stronger so they have a higher chance of winning.
We are talking about gambling here, not supporting a team, I wouldn't risk my money if I know that it would just lose.

[EluguHcman]

The man is working in a club and betting against the gamble. I am not working as an employee in any club and this makes it different. If there is no rules that I can or can not bet against the club that I am employed, why not bet against them if you analyzed and think that the club will lose. I can do it. But provided if not against the rules. As the man is sacked, I think it is against the club rules for a worker to bet against them.

The man is probably sacked from his job on betting against the club the is working with as a point of contact that he could have leaked some secret bargains of the cline probably on a situation of fixed match.

Apparently such employee can not be trusted as the clubs would not be comfortable sharing their official and secret informations with him so, he would become a saboteur to the club and preventing that lead the club to sack him.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

It's funny because the last sports bet I made was in favor of my team with odds of 12 or 13 to 1 against and I won, LMAO. But I wouldn't mind betting against if that were the case. We should not mix betting or money matters with sentimental matters in general. I don't usually bet on sports betting though.

[Natalim]

The man is working in a club and betting against the gamble. I am not working as an employee in any club and this makes it different. If there is no rules that I can or can not bet against the club that I am employed, why not bet against them if you analyzed and think that the club will lose. I can do it. But provided if not against the rules. As the man is sacked, I think it is against the club rules for a worker to bet against them.

The man is probably sacked from his job on betting against the club the is working with as a point of contact that he could have leaked some secret bargains of the cline probably on a situation of fixed match.

Apparently such employee can not be trusted as the clubs would not be comfortable sharing their official and secret informations with him so, he would become a saboteur to the club and preventing that lead the club to sack him.

That's what you call inside information, and information in betting is vital for a good chance of winning. It's different from fixed game,it would be easier if it was a fixed game but getting information is way better than nothing at all. This would increase your chances of winning, but not guaranteed,  and with this kind of information we can get, we will feel more confident to put bigger bets.